On Wed, 7 May 2008 06:42:42 -0700,
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> "L Alpert"
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>"Craig Stevens" <craig_stevens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 21:45:34 +1000,
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> "B.H.
>> Cramer" <Iamhre@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'oment.bizz> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> What's da matta Frank? You couldn't deal with what was posted?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They have a habit of trying to move the conversation away whenever
>>>>>they feel threatened.
>>>>>
>>>>>And the fools seem to think we don't notice.
>>>>
>>>> Not only do we notice but just think of all the countless lurkers
>>>> out there who read these posts now as well as future lurkers reading
>>>> these posts in the google archives. Kind of makes me feel a little
pride
>>>> when I or anyone else like you or me make a well do***ented post and
>>>> then have our opponents behave in the neurotic hostile manner they
>>>> are known to do.
>>>
>>>I have received a significant amount of material from those same
>>>"lurkers" you mention.
>>>
>>>For very obvious reasons, they are reluctant to post to the
>>>newsgroups, I have no such reticence.
>>
>> It is a rough road the brave minority of us are destined to travel.
>>
>> We are making headway and we are being noticed by people who do
>> matter and that is why our opponents wage their constant war against
us.
>> If we weren't a threat to them they would simply ignore us and enjoy
their lives.
>
>There is no headway. No one cares other than thr small sect of loonies
>that like to circle jerk each other in these groups.
If you truly believed what you just claimed you would ignore us totally.
If we aren't making any headway then why the bother?
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and
>> impossible to ignore. ... The reason men are silenced is not because
>> they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because
>> if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them;
while
>> if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them --
>> except force." --John Bryant
You and yours are continually exerting great efforts to spin doctor what
we
post and you only do such by ad hominem attacks against us, making up lies
about us, quoting us out of context etc.
Here is your spin doctor David S. Maddison caught lying;
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
David S. Maddison starts out by telling a lie and it is "Much of
anti-Semitism appears to
have its origins in the supposed belief that Jews must intrinsically hate
Christianity and
humanity in general. Of course, this is not true..."
Here are some teachings which prove David S. Maddison lied above;
"CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998 ...Although the Jews are prohibited from
speaking out against
idolatry in lands outside the land of Israel, we must keep in mind that
this is our land, that
these are our people. The Bible is full of stories about what happens to
Gentile lands that do
not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the idolatry
within our own land?
Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of the Torah, that of
idolatry and
blasphemy.
We need to take action. We need to go on the offensive. We need to
strive to establish
courts that uphold all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And
maybe then, when the
Church is too busy trying to save its own idolatrous skin to worry about
converting the Jews,
will they have the time to do other things, such as teach us the Sheva
Mitzvot."
http://tinyurl.com/43nfx3
Here is David Maddison again "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its
origins in the supposed
belief that Jews must intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in
general. Of course, this
is not true..."
"CB"N - Mo****ach ..Even within ka'al B'nei Noach we find individuals who
still struggle to keep
their belief in Jesus intact. Instead of believing in the Gentiles' Jesus,
they now believe in
a Jewish Jesus - and they now call him Yeshua HaMo****ach (Yeshua the
Messiah). They strip away
the Christian's anglo-saxon garments of Jesus and redress him in a more
ethnic Jewish costume.
Now Yeshua is introduced as an Orthodox rabbi, complete with tzitzits,
tallit, and tefillin.
And by doing this to Jesus, they believe they have rectified the Church's
whitewa****ng of a
Jewish Yeshua into a figure called Jesus, and that they have restored the
truth to the
world..." http://tinyurl.com/5we3py
"CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life - The idea of everlasting life is
rather appealing to
most folks... And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed,
IF: hypothetical
speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of futility -
the socio-historical
situation speaks for itself in the archives of Jewish history) the
righteous Jews of the Second
Temple period had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there
would never have risen a
religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through the
observance of the Sheva
Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be attained as promised by
Hashem to Noach, the
resulting fabrication that everlasting life could come only through belief
and wor****p of a
human being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the
teaching concerning the
Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had been
forced into hiding by the
vicious persecution of the Jews, and the new covenant of Christianity was
but a pagan attempt
to replace the eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach..."
http://tinyurl.com/67nlov
"...Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound
effect on our sense of
social justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it
perpetrated and justified,
played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts
(though much
adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- cor****eal G-d and of a
messianic end-goal to
existence."
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/63558/jewish/IV-Wheres-the-Truth.htm
All of the above quoted from what Jewish Rebbes teach their nest of
serpents. All of the above
can be verified using key word searches at this link:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
I invite everyone to go to that search page and enter searches for Jesus
or Christian and see
what you get. A search for Jesus turned up this gem;
"Thank you Chabad - Jesus was not the Messiah. Now he says he works toward
getting other Jews
like himself to return to Yiddishkeit. It was a truly inspiring story.
This story was
distributed over the Internet and somehow reached my... Excerpt: " It was
a story about Jack, a
"Jewish-Christian missionary" who worked to convert Jews to Christianity
until he was convinced
by you and other Jews on the Internet that Judaism was truly the "correct"
religion and that
Jesus was not the Messiah."
That smacks of antichristism.
"Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that
antichrist is coming,
even now there have come to be many antichrists. Who is the liar if it is
not the one that
denies that Jesus is the Christ? These things I write you about those who
are trying to mislead
you! For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone
comes to you and does
not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a
greeting to him. For he
that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
1 John 2:18,22,23 ; 2 John 7,10,11
More Jewish antichristism;
"The Laws Concerning Ma****ach - Every Day: Studies by the Lubavitcher
Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M.
Schneerson (shlita) on the Rambam's Conception of Ma****ach and the
Ultimate Redemption. These
chapters conclude the final section (Hilchos Melachim -... The translation
of this classic text
which Sichos In English presents herewith is not only new, but - unlike
almost all of the
extant printed editions, even in the Hebrew original - unexpurgated. All
the passages
suppressed by various medieval Christian censors have been translated in
full. They appear here
in the footnotes that are keyed to the exact positions from which they
were deleted. At this
point, before being censored by medieval Christian authorities, the
Rambam's original text
continued: "..and save Israel from the hand's of Esav's descendants. This
and two other such
deletions have been copied verbatim in these footnotes from the celebrated
Yemenite manuscript
in the hands of Chacham Yosef Kapach of Jerusalem. (See footnotes 4 and 5,
below.)] "Can there
be a greater stumbling block than [Christianity]? All the prophets spoke
of Mo****ach as the
redeemer of Israel and their savior, who would gather their dispersed ones
and strengthen their
[observance of] the mitzvos. In contrast [the founder of Christianity]
caused the Jews to be
slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the
Torah to be altered, and
the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the L-rd."
"How will this come
about? The entire world has already become filled with talk of [the
supposed] Messiah, as well
as of the Torah and the mitzvos."
Now paraphrasing David Maddison "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its
origins in the
supposed belief that Jews must intrinsically hate humanity in general. Of
course, this
is not true..."
EXAMPLES OF JEWS HATING HUMANITY IN GENERAL
http://web.archive.org/web/20051215154030re_/www.kosherquest.org/html/wines.htm
"Wines - Throughout the Torah, we are reminded of the great spiritual
significance of wine in
the life of a Jew. In fact, the Talmudic rabbis saw fit to establish a
special law with special
regard to wine. Today, the vast majority of wines on the market are unfit
for consumption by
the kosher consumer. Throughout all the stages of wine production, the
strictest kosher
supervision is required until the final stage of the actual bottling.
There is, of course, the
prohibition concerning wines which relates to the status of boiled wine.
Kosher wine that has
been cooked before contact with a non-Jew has occurred is exempted from
the injunction. This
prohibition stems from the historical perspective that boiled wine was
considered “improper” to
be offered as a libation to an idol (where wines were often offered by
these idol wor****pping
nations). Such wine, (called “Yayin Nesach”), that had been offered to an
idol was prohibited
for Jewish use of any kind. This was a Torah-based prohibition. In
addition, there is also a
rabbinic prohibition which forbids drinking the ordinary wine of non-Jews
in order to reduce
social contact which could lead to assimilation and intermarriage. Such
wine is called “Stam
Yenam”.
http://web.archive.org/web/20000311025759re_/chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/02/19.htm
"Tanya (Regular Year): 19 Iyyar
Yetzer Hara also come to love G-d. And for this one must first meditate on
the contents of the
blessings of the Shema, which describe the self-nullification of the
angels and other
creatures. Thus, the blessings... It is therefore impossible to say that
"You have chosen us"
refers to Jewish souls, for there can be no comparison between Jewish and
non- Jewish souls,
inasmuch as a Jew's soul "is truly part of G-d Above.""
http://web.archive.org/web/19991103060159re_/www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/08/12.htm
"Tanya (Regular Year): 12 Mar Cheshvan
Vitebsk (or Horodok), who had settled in the Holy Land in 1777. It
concludes by rousing them to
the mitzvah of tzedakah in general, and particularly of maintaining the
family of R. Mendel.
The Alter Rebbe is here... [This alludes to the Chayah of the tzaddik, the
soul-level which is
even loftier than the soul-level called Neshamah, and which infuses the
followers of the
tzaddik with a transcendent mode of life-force which enables them to
withstand challenges from
non-Jewish (i.e., unholy) sources."
These examples are true gems in proving Davis Maddison's damage control
web page lies.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021112002620re_/www.utexas.edu/depts/cjso/ChaiTimes/v2.2/Intermarriage.txt
"There is no Intermarriage! by Sam Kochman... ..., people must understand
the difference
between a Jew and a non-Jew. There is one difference between a Jew and a
non-Jew. A Jew has a
Nefesh, a divine soul, which a non Jew does not have. This soul is part of
G-d and this is what
makes us Jews, not how many mitzvahs we do or how good a person we are.
The divine union of
marriage is between Nefeshot(two souls). When a Jew "marries" a non-Jew
this union cannot occur
because there are not two souls to combine."
http://web.archive.org/web/20021118135324re_/www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm
Torah Community Connections Mishna Yomit
Week 100 - Shabbat - 27 October 2001
BAVA METZIA: CHAPTER 5: MISHNAH 6
One may not accept an ironclad investment from an Israelite, since it is
interest, but one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens.
Furthermore,
one may borrow from them and loan to them with interest. The same applies
to a
resident alien. An Israelite may loan the money of a heathen with the
approval
of the heathen, but not with the approval of an Israelite...
But one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens - since it is
permitted
to loan to a non-Jew for interest... <STOP>
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html
"Sanhedrin 57a "'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed or
[seized] a beautiful
woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one
Cuthean against
another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of
an Israelite by a
Cuthean, butthat of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'" ... 'For
murder, whether of a
Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is
incurred; but of a Cuthean
by an Israelite, there is no death penalty'" ... But how can you say that
such robbery by one
Cuthean from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]:
since a Cuthean does
not forgive, is it not actual theft? — But R. Aha, the son of R. Ika
answered; It applies to
the withholding of a labourer's wage. One Cuthean from another, or a
Cuthean from an Israelite
is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted."
Footnotes:
'Cuthean' (Samaritan) was here substituted by the censor for the
original goy (heathen).
[I.e., though it is forbidden to rob the heathen (v. Yad, Genebah I, 2;
VI, 8), the offence was
non-actionable. For reason, v. B. K. (Sonc. ed.) note on Mishnah 37b.]"
Nice people the Jews. It's okay to withhold wages from a goy, it's okay to
steal from a goy
and it is kosher to kill a goy but woe be to the goy who does likewise to
a Jew.
http://www.okkosher.com/Content.asp?ID=143
Nowadays the ordinary wine of a non-Jew, or Jewish wine that has been
touched by a non-Jew, is,
according to the opinion of some authorities, forbidden only for drinking
purposes, but not
forbidden to derive any benefit from it. Therefore, we are permitted to
take non-Jewish wine in
payment of a debt due us, for it is equivalent to saving it from a loss.
The same law applies
to a case, when we have violated the law and have purchased wine from
them. But it is forbidden
in the first instance to buy wine from them in order to make a profit by
it. Other authorities
are lenient even as regards the latter case, but it is best to follow the
stricter opinion.
It is permissible to make a bath out of non-Jewish wine for a sick person
although he is not
critically ill.
If water is poured upon the kernels of pressed grapes, or upon the lees of
wine, as long as it
is improved for the purpose of drinking by doing so, it becomes forbidden
when touched by a
non-Jew.
If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it
even only a small
quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel, the
entire contents of the
tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden by the touch of a
non-Jew even if only
the kernels or the husks have been touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to
make use of the
tanks of grapes found in the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the
non-Jew has already
extracted some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes
in a tank, even if
such a tank is provided with a stopper.
If vinegar is made out of kosher wine, and it is so strong that it seethes
when poured upon the
ground, it no longer becomes forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew. But if
vinegar is made out of
non-Jewish wine, it always remains forbidden.
If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is
touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to the fitness
of the wine.
When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly
sealing the mouth or
the faucet of the vessel.
There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose
of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain instances, even double seals
and a lock are of no
avail. It is necessary to consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure
to follow in such a
case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine.
<STOP>
Everyone re-read all of the above and then ask yourselves if David S.
Maddison was being
truthful when he claimed "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its
origins in the supposed
belief that Jews must intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in
general. Of course, this
is not true..."
If non-Jews were to teach the same exact things about Jews then they would
be called
anti-Semitic racist bigots. Just reverse Jews and non-Jews in the examples
above to get the
full meaning of Jewish bigotry. An example from the last entry and last
paragraph above;
THIS
"There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose
of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain instances, even double seals
and a lock are of no
avail. It is necessary to consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure
to follow in such a
case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine."
BECOMES THIS
"There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a non-Jew makes for a
Jew, for the purpose
of selling it to non-Jewish consumers. In certain instances, even double
seals and a lock are
of no avail. It is necessary to consult an ordained minister as to what
procedure to follow in
such a case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine."
OR
THIS
"If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is
touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to the fitness
of the wine."
BECOMES THIS
"If a Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is touched
through his power, a clergyman should be consulted as to the fitness of
the wine."
Simply put Jews are bigots and they are bigots based upon religion.
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