Mistylein wrote:
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> > On May 13, 5:50 pm, "Mistylein" <yardhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> Matt 16:
> >> 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon
> >> son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you
> >> by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And
> >> I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this
> >> rock I will build my church, and the gates of
> >> Hades[b] will not overcome it.[c] 19I will
> >> give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;
> >> whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound
> >> in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth
> >> will be[e] loosed in heaven."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >> (a) Peter means rock.
> >>
> >> >> But it is not on peter that Christ is building His Church upon but
on the
> >> >> Rock.
> >> >> The Rock hard truth.
> >>
> >> >> The wize man builds his house upon the rock
> >> >> The Foolish man builds house upon the sand.
> >>
> >> >> Now can you explain what the rock here is
> >> >> and what the sand here is?
> >>
> >> > You lost me, there. The passage makes no reference to sand nor the
> >> > wize man nor hard truth.
> >>
> >> > Please explain.
> >>
> >> Jesus is the Rock ...
> >
> > But Jesus just renames Simon to be the rock [Peter] to build His
> > church. Doesn't quite explain that Jesus Himself is the Rock.
>
> Not there but it is understood in other places
> as I stated below.
If this is a case of 'scripture interprets scripture' I'm not
impressed.
> The wise man builds his house upon the Rock (truth)
> The foolish man builds his house upon the sand (tradition)
Jesus said this at the end of His Sermon on the Mount (Mat 7 end). If
anything, the 'truth' as secure foundation is the sermon He has just
delivered. I don't think He had 'tradition' in view.
> If you biuld upon peter you will be building on tradition not
> upon the truth.
That Sermon says nothing about Peter, and it's only in chapter 15 that
traditions (as in wa****ng hands) gets a mention.
> >> ... and all Truth is based on Him not peter.
> >> Peter told Jesus the very truth that no one told him
> >
> > But the writer as just told us " Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For
> > flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in
> > heaven".
>
> Yes the truth is being revealed and that peter is a hard rock to
> even be understanding that what he just confessed to knowing
>
> It is this truth that Jesus says he will be building His Church upon.
I don't think the passage says that.
> Why will He be building his church anyway he had the
> temple and the whole Jewish nation already?
Are you questioning His promise, here that "on this rock I will build
my church"?
> >> and it is that truth that peter told that Jesus was to build
> >> his Church upon.
> >
> > Upon what?
>
> THE TRUTH!
> Not on traditions of men.
Thanks for that.
> >> Every one that excepts Jesus is excepting the Son of God
> >> and when we become baptised in His name we become
> >> members of the Bride of the lamb.
> >
> > How does that passage explain that?
>
> It is a statement not a passage.
OK
> >> Peter was rock also but he was a hard headed Rock.
> >> Jesus had to check him at different times to correct him
> >> because of his hard headedness.
> >
> > This is the first time I've heard anyone speak of rock=hard-headedness
> > that had to be corrected. Is this what the writer intended to convey?
>
> The writer is hoping you have the inteligence to know it is the
> truth that Jesus is building on not on Peter.
For the mo, I still think it's Peter himself that is the rock, after
all that's how the passage reads. Most commentaries and cross-
reference Bibles point to Isa 51:1-2 and Eph 2:20, an some folk pick
up 1Pet2.
I've come across an interesting observation that Peter is the third
and final person who have been renamed by God, Abraham, Israel, and
now Peter himself.
Abraham was promised to be the father of a multitude. God promised
Israel that God's people would spring from. Now, Peter is promised
that His ecclesia (congregation or community) will be built upon him.
Cheers.
>
> M,
> >
> >>
> >> M,
> >>
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