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> > > A church that does not have "Christian" in it's name makes it non-
> > > Christian, and has wor****p of the dead as it's central theme.
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> > Nope that is not what I said!
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> > I said the Church of the =A0 =A0 antichrist.
> > Even though she does have daughters She and her
> > daughters all pretend to be Christian but they are not
> > they are only a religion.
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> > > Now that's lost me completely.
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> > Well then ask some queations if you really are interested
> > in Knowing the Bible a bit better.
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> OK, how about these questions so I can know =93the Bible a bit
better=94?
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> Also if you look at Dan 9:27 the pronouns are always singular, not
> plural.
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> Such as what Pronouns =A0you may be refering to please
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Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off
and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will
destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a
flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are
determined.
Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week,
but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and
grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who
makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is
decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
V27 =93And he=94 =96 he being the pronoun referencing the previous noun
=93t=
he
prince who is to come=94. Please note that neither =93he=94 nor
=93prince=94=
is
upper case so neither one is referring to the Messiah.
After the =93sixty-two weeks=94 when the Messiah is cut off, the subject
****fts to =93the prince who is to come=94. Can you explain with scripture
how can anything in v27 possibly relate to the Messiah, the =93pope(s),
the Vatican, the office or the big daddy=94?
V26 =93and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city
and the sanctuary=94=85. This, I believe, further reinforces the subject
to be =93the prince=94, not the Messiah. Unless one wishes to believe
Jesus and the Jews were the ones who destroyed the =93city and the
sanctuary=94. Is this your belief?
V27 =93And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week=85=94
This is still talking of the prince to come=94 (previous noun, little h)
and, who =93will make a firm covenant with the many=94 (the Jews) =93for
one=
week=94.
Why would the Messiah (as you claim) make a covenant with the Jews for
only =93one week=94 (seven years) and then in the =93middle of the week
put
a stop to sacrifice and grain offering=94? Doe this make any logical
sense? I don=92t think so. Can you show anywhere in scripture were it
says that Jesus made a covenant with anyone for =93seven years=94?
I believe Matt 24:15 makes it pretty clear who the subject is here.
Matt 24:15 Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which
was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place
(let the reader understand),
V15 is Jesus talking. Do you really think Jesus would be describing
Himself as the =93ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION=94? Jesus was not on earth in
70 AD so how could He be standing in =93the holy place=94? May I suggest
you read your quotes below before answering this question?
Below are some of your quotes on this subject, do you honestly think
they adhere to scripture? They sure seem to me to be in conflict with
Daniel and Jesus.
=93=94It was Jesus that Was making that covenant with the many. read the
Gospels. The stop to the daily sacrifice was when Jesus died on the
Cross and the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom and every
one could see right into the "Holy of Holys" place in the
santuary.""
Read Daniel 9:27, he says it was the =93prince=94(little p). What
scripture are you using that says the daily sacrifice was stopped when
Jesus died on the cross? What evidence do you have that this function
did not occur in the temple from Jesus=92 crucifixion until it was
destroyed?
""I do not know what Bible you are reading but in the Dan 9 prophecy
in the last week of the prophecy it is talking about the ministry of
Jesus for His 7 years walk with man. It was the Messiah that Daniel
was hoping for all his life.""
Do you have any scripture that sup****ts the above statement?
""The *Prince* (Messiah) would be the one putting an end to the daily
sacrifice.=94=94
What Bible do you use that makes that assertion?
> How do you reconcile this with the many popes that occupied the "Trone
> of the Emperor for 1260 years=94?
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> It is the office they take is what is going on undisturbed for the
> 1260 Years =A0it is a successon of people =A0that is why it is
> =A0the =A0infamous =A0 6 =A0 6 =A0 =A06!
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> I hope you are not trying to pin that prophecy in with the
> 70 weeks of years. =A0 It just does not belong there.
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> When and which pope made "a firm covenant with the many for one
> week"?
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> It was no popes!
> That is talking about the Messiah for the last week of the prophecy
> is trying to give us the time when the Messiah would be coming
> on the sciene. =A0 The Old Testament as much prophecy about His
> Coming and the 70 weeks of years tells us exactly when he would
> show up and what He would be doing for that last week of the
> prophecy.
> It also eluedes to the fact that even though the temple and the
> city of Jerusalem would be rebuilt, it would also be destroyed
> not long after the prophecy was fulfilled.
> But do not inclued the date of it's destruction in the 70 weeks
> prophecy itself.
> there are =A0two princes being talked about there.
> One is capitalized meaning the Messiah and the other one
> meaning satan and his followers.
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> When did a pope "put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering"?
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> The prophecy was not talkking about any pope..
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> The (P)rince was the one that would put and end to what was mentioned.
> He did that when he died on the cross and the "VEIL" was torn in two.
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> When plain sense makes common sense, seek no other sense or else you
> get nonsense.
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> Remember the Bible is written for the wise to understand it but the
> unwise will never get it figured out.
> The wise will let the Bible do it and not man.
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Can you provide any scripture sup****ting the above statement? I=92m
assuming you consider yourself to be one of the =93wise=94, is this a
valid assumption?
How about these?
Rom 1:22 Professing to be WISE, they became fools,
Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in
mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be WISE in your own
estimation.
1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, " I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."
1 Cor 1:27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame
the WISE, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the
things which are strong,
1 Cor 3:20 and again, "THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the WISE, THAT
THEY ARE USELESS."
> Rev 22:18 =A0I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy
> of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues
> which are written in this book;
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> I do not think showing prophecy fulfilled is adding anything to the
> Bible.
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I fully agree with the above statement.
> Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this
> prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from
> the holy city, which are written in this book.
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> I do not think showing prophecy fulfilled is taking anything away
> from the Bible.
> Alslo this is a discussion not a rewrite of the Scripture.
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I suggest that you read Daniel 9:24-27 very closely and then ask
yourself if you have added to, subtracted from or changed any meaning
of the verses as they are written.
> Adding dates and events to history is not adding to the Bible
> now is it?
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No it is not, just as long as it is sup****ted by scripture.
Born once, die twice, born twice, die once.
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