On May 10, 9:47 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "goldbrick" <john...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 8, 8:10 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> "goldbrick" <john...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On May 6, 10:57 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> " Sword of the Spirit" <swordofspi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> messagenews:8CJTj.278$JK1.251@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > "Pastor Knave" < SATAN_@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >news:6nit14pj7dsk50kfc9bc9chstpa4qu9uni@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >> On Mon, 05 May 2008 07:40:47 GMT, " Sword of the Spirit"
> >> >> >> <swordofspi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spake thusly:
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> >> >> >>>And that Christ has returned from heaven to set up
> >> >> >>>God's kingdom can be seen to be a blatant lie as he
> >> >> >>>promised the nations would be ruled with a "Rod of
> >> >> >>>iron" by the saints once his kingdom is established
> >> >> >>>on the earth.
>
> >> >> >> I have explained to you repeatedly what that is and
> >> >> >> you think that ignoring this and repeating the same
> >> >> >> claim, means you proved your doctrine correct!
>
> >> >> > No-way Mr. heretic was the gospel preached to ALL nations by
AD70,=
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > everyone can see the nations are still bathing in their filthy
sin=
s
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > war turmoil. Such will not be the case when Christ does return
to=
> >> >> > rule
> >> >> > the nations with a rod of iron. Belief your crazy theories as
long=
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > wish, but you will not turn Christ's brethren from their patient
> >> >> > waiting.
>
> >> >> As you notice, Satan is a liar. Scripture tells us that anyone who
> >> >> says
> >> >> Christ's return is spirtitual instead of physical is a deceiver
and =
an
> >> >> antichrist.
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> >> >> 2 John 1:7 (ASV)
> >> >> For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they
that=
> >> >> confess
> >> >> not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver
and
> >> >> the
> >> >> antichrist.
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> >> >> --
> >> >> His,
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> >> > "2 John 1:7 (ASV)
> >> > For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that
> >> > confess
> >> > not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and
> >> > the
> >> > antichrist. "
>
> >> > This is talking about his first coming, John also said, we don't
know=
> >> > what form He will have but we know we will have the same form he
has.=
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> >> Wrong. It speaks of His return, for it is the present active
participle=
,
> >> erchomenon - "is coming" in 2 John 1:7
>
> >> I cite the ASV which acurately translates the word.
>
> >> --
> >> His,
>
> > Gen 49, Last days spoken of by Israel (Jacob) started with his
> > predictions and culminated with Shiloh, a city hosting the re-assembly
> > of the twelve tribe of Israel. The Tabernacle rested in Shiloh for 369
> > years.
>
> > Is this the type for which the New Jerusalem is the anti-type? Was the
> > reassembly of Israel (12 tribes) what the 490 years given to Judah all
> > about?
>
> > The Last Days anti-type:
>
> > Acts 2:17- Prophesy, visions, dreams, receiving the Holy Spirit,
> > wonders in heaven, blood, fire, and vapors of smoke.
>
> > 2 Timothy 3:1- Perilous times, men will love themselves, love money.
> > Men will be: boasters, proud, blasphemous, disobedient to parents,
> > unthankful, unholy, etc.
>
> > Hebrews 1:2 - Last Days include Jesus Christ's ministry and probably
> > last for 2300 years
>
> > James 5:1 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that
> > are coming upon you!
>
> > James 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-
> > eaten.
>
> > James 5:3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion
> > will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You
> > have heaped up treasure in the last days.
>
> > James 5:4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields,
> > which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers
> > have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.
>
> > James 5:5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you
> > have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter.
>
> > James 5:6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does
> > not resist you.
>
> > 2 Pet 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last
> > days, walking according to their own lusts,
>
> > 2 Pet 3:4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For
> > since
> > the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the
> > beginning of creation."
>
> > 2 Pet 3:5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God
> > the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in
> > the water,
>
> > 2 Pet 3:6 by which the world that then existed perished, being
> > flooded with water.
>
> > Is the New Jerusalem the reassembly of the 12 tribes of Israel, the
> > New Shiloh?
>
> The last days are the last three, the 5th, 6th, & 7th:
>
> The Day of The Lord
>
> A key to understanding many of the prophecies referring to the day of
the
> Lord or "that day" is a clear understanding of the day of the Lord. It
> begins with the Lord's return for His millennial reign (2 Pet 3:10)
follow=
ed
> by the second resurrection among the rest of the dead: "And I saw
thrones,=
> and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the
souls =
of
> them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of
God,=
> and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
> received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived
an=
d
> reigned with Christ a thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not
> again until the thousand years were finished). This is the first
> resurrection" (Rev 20:4-5). The day of the Lord is the thousand year
> millennium, which is followed by eternity with a new heaven and earth:
"An=
d
> I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
ear=
th
> were passed away; and there was no more sea" (Rev 21:1).
>
> The day of the Lord is the day of His wrath: "Behold, the day of the
Lord
> comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate:
a=
nd
> he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven
an=
d
> the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be
> darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to
> shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for
thei=
r
> iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will
l=
ay
> low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious
than
> fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will
sha=
ke
> the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath
of
> the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger" (Is 13:9-13):
"And =
I
> saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat on him was
> called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he does judge and make
war.=
> His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and
he=
> had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed
> with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
An=
d
> the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed
in=
> fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword,
that=
> with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod
of
> iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of
Almighty
> God" (Rev. 19:11-15).
>
> The day of the Lord is also the day of His rest: "For he spoke in a
certai=
n
> place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day
fr=
om
> all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my
rest.
> Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to
whom=
> it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief (Heb 4:4-8).
>
> The day of the Lord is the seventh millennial day (Heb 4:4,7), and what
is=
> prophesied along with the seventh millennial day is the first 6
millennial=
> days, which make the seventh day the seventh: The first 1000-year day is
t=
he
> day in which Adam died at the age of 930 years (Gen 5:5): "But of the
tree=
> of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the
day=
> that you eat thereof you shall surely die" (Gen 2:17) The last or latter
> days, the three 1000-year days at the end of the week, are the time of
the=
> Messiah (Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2): "And it shall come to pass in the last
days,=
> that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of
t=
he
> mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations [goyim:
> uncircumcised] shall flow unto it" (Is 2:2), and the uncircumcised have
> been flowing into the Lord's house "free from the law of sin and death"
(R=
om
> 8:2) since His first coming. To the Jews, Hosea also prophesied of these
> last three days: "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
wi=
ll
> raise us up, and we shall live in his sight" (Hos 6:2). The day of the
Lor=
d
> is the last millennial day of the last days: "But, beloved, be not
ignoran=
t
> of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and =
a
> thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
a=
s
> some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing
tha=
t
> any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day
of=
> the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens
shall=
> pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent
hea=
t,
> the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" (2 Pet
> 3:8-10).
>
> Prophecies become clearer when we read them within the framework of
seven
> millennial days between the fall of Adam and the final, white throne
> judgment with "the last days" or "latter days" being the three between
the=
> Lord's first coming and the judgment and with the day of the Lord, being
> also the day of His wrath and the day of His ...
>
> read more =BB
I don't have a problem with the seven days of creation being a type
and seven thousand years being an anti-type. Jehovah Witnesses believe
this also and some other religions.
The seventh millennium is a Sabbath, where the earth is left desolate
for a thousand years. We agree on the meaning of last days. The Great
and terrible day of the Lord, I see as consisting of two parts, a
great part and a terrible part, the great part is the return of the
New Jerusalem and the terrible part is the second resurrection, of the
wicked, God's war with them and their destruction, never to be
reincarnated again. The great and terrible day of the Lord will be the
eighth millennium.
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