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Re: A Disappointing Confirmation

by "Greg G." <info@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 7, 2005 at 08:09 AM

Bruderhof wrote:

> Bruderhof Communities wrote:
> 
>> Eberhard and his sister Clara had high hopes when they first joined
>> church confirmation classes, so their disappointment was all the
>> greater when the instruction proved to be just as boring and
>> laboriously pious as the religion classes in high school. The
>> confirmation itself brought no kind of revelation either. Carl
>> Franklin Arnold had arranged a relatively simple celebration for the
>> occasion.12 A godmother from Berlin came to visit them, and as a
>> special treat they rode the short way home from the church in a 
>> carriage. In the afternoon a few friends of Clara and Eberhard joined
>> them. There were harmless games in the drawing room and folk songs
>> sung in harmony. 
>> 
> 
> When it was all over, Eberhard must have sought out his father again.
> He had a question to ask: could confirmation – the affirmation of
> faith – become a personal experience, and if so, how? But Carl
> Franklin Arnold was unable to provide a satisfactory answer. As a
> child in the Gildemeister household in Bremen, Eberhard’s father had
> undoubtedly encountered a heartfelt, cheerful piety. His foster
> parents and their relatives had followed the traditions of the bible
> scholar Samuel Collenbusch and the Bremen minister Gottfried Menken.
> Carl Franklin Arnold had adopted his foster parents’ respect for these
> role models – he subjected his wife and children to endless readings
> from old sermons by Menken. But the Gildemeister’s natural and
> carefree faith remained foreign to Eberhard’s father. He always had a
> deep reverence for God and his commandments, and felt obliged to
> strive in all earnestness for personal holiness and moral improvement.
> Carl Franklin Arnold could spend hours meditating over a text from the
> Psalms or wrestling with God in prayer over the most profound concerns
> of humanity. At such times he would shut himself into his study. When
> he left it hours later, the children often saw that their father was
> crushed and depressed. Carl Franklin Arnold obviously found neither
> strength nor joy in prayer. He could tell his son nothing different:
> he won certainty of forgiveness, even of eternal salvation, only in
> this hard and painful manner – through continuous wrestling in prayer.
> 

Through his confirmation Eberhard became more keenly aware than ever 
before of the social abyss between the educated, prosperous elite and the 
simple working-class people. The manner in which his family dressed 
sparked this awareness. Only the upper crust could attend church as they 
did – for confirmation, Eberhard wore a new black suit and Clara a white 
dress. Poorer children did not have special clothes for special 
occasions. Eberhard found this unjust and decided that he would not 
recognize class distinctions. At first the only practical consequence of 
his decision was his attitude toward the family’s maids. He now treated 
them more considerately and occasionally lent them a helping hand.




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Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-01 08:52:26 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-01 08:53:31 
Who was Eberhard Arnold?
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-01 08:54:22 
Re: Who was Eberhard Arnold?
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-02 13:27:02 
At First Sight
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-18 08:23:47 
Re: At First Sight
"Megan R." <  2005-11-18 08:24:23 
Re: At First Sight
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-18 08:24:54 
Re: At First Sight
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-18 08:25:32 
Re: At First Sight
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-18 08:26:09 
Harmony from the Outset
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Re: Harmony from the Outset
"Megan R." <  2005-11-22 08:12:57 
Re: Harmony from the Outset
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:13:18 
Re: Harmony from the Outset
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-22 08:13:41 
Courtship and Engagement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:14:21 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
"Megan R." <  2005-11-02 08:45:22 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-03 09:49:11 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-03 09:49:38 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-03 09:50:09 
Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:24:52 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:25:51 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-04 08:26:28 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:26:50 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:27:30 
Teenage Antics
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:07:09 
A Disappointing Confirmation
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:07:49 
Re: A Disappointing Confirmation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:09:00 
Re: A Disappointing Confirmation
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-07 08:09:34 
Diversions
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:10:42 
Decisive Weeks
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Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:11:55 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:12:51 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:13:37 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:14:02 
Dedication
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-08 08:02:14 
Re: Dedication
Adam <contactbruderhof  2005-11-08 08:03:07 
Introduction to the Anabaptists
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:07:10 
Re: Introduction to the Anabaptists
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-14 08:07:44 
Re: Introduction to the Anabaptists
"Megan R." <  2005-11-14 08:08:23 
Time Out
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:09:18 
Re: Dedication
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-08 08:03:37 
Initial Consequences
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-09 11:39:47 
A Widening Rift
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-09 11:40:23 
Re: A Widening Rift
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-09 11:41:09 
Re: A Widening Rift
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-09 11:41:37 
Missionary Zeal
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-11 08:12:31 
Re: Missionary Zeal
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-11 08:16:12 
The Salvation Army
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-11 08:16:46 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:20:05 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:20:51 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:21:10 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:21:34 
Re: Decisive Weeks
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-07 08:13:19 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-07 08:12:24 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-04 08:25:27 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-14 08:10:31 
Without Conviction
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:11:22 
Re: Without Conviction
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-14 08:12:44 
The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:27:39 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
"Megan R." <  2005-11-15 08:28:42 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:29:15 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:29:36 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-15 08:30:33 
Halle
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-16 08:40:38 
Re: Halle
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-16 08:41:20 
Re: Halle
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-16 08:41:52 
Re: Halle
"Megan R." <  2005-11-16 08:42:34 
Re: Halle
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-16 08:42:57 
Re: Halle
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-16 08:43:44 
The Silesian Seminary
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Re: The Silesian Seminary
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 10:59:49 
Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:00:34 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:01:25 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 11:01:51 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:02:27 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 11:02:49 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-17 11:03:16 
Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-18 08:18:50 
Re: Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
"Megan R." <  2005-11-18 08:21:15 
Re: Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-18 08:21:57 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Carole <carolev@[EMAIL  2005-11-17 11:01:02 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-15 08:30:07 
Re: Without Conviction
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-14 08:12:04 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-22 08:15:39 
Love Letters
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:16:26 
Re: Love Letters
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-22 08:17:24 
The Issue of Baptism
Werner <ploughuk@[EMAI  2005-11-22 19:16:05 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:18:09 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:19:04 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:23:00 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:24:55 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:50 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:08 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:26 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:38 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:16 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:36 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:00 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:26 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:53 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
"Megan R." <  2005-11-22 19:27:29 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-22 19:28:38 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-22 19:29:01 
Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-23 08:29:46 
Re: Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-23 08:30:09 
Re: Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-23 08:30:39 
Exasperated Parents
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Re: Exasperated Parents
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-24 08:35:57 
Re: Exasperated Parents
"Megan R." <  2005-11-24 09:02:34 
Separation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-25 13:28:12 
Re: Separation
"Megan R." <  2005-11-25 13:29:26 
Re: Separation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-25 13:30:03 
Fundamental Disagreements among SCM Leaders
"Megan R." <  2005-11-28 08:42:07 
Re: Fundamental Disagreements among SCM Leaders
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:42:48 
The Pentecostal Movement Begins
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Re: The Pentecostal Movement Begins
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Re: The Pentecostal Movement Begins
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YMCA and YWCA
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Re: YMCA and YWCA
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Plans
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Re: Plans
"Megan R." <  2005-11-28 08:47:48 
Examination Denied
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:48:33 
Re: Examination Denied
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-28 08:49:31 
Re: Examination Denied
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-28 08:50:07 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:28:07 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 09:17:16 
Changing Course
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 09:18:07 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:19:44 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-29 09:20:18 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:20:49 
Re: Changing Course
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-29 09:21:19 
Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:22:08 
Re: Baptism
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-29 09:22:34 
Re: Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:23:00 
On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 09:23:46 
Re: On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:24:22 
Re: On Their Own Feet
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 09:25:01 
Re: On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:26:03 
Re: On Their Own Feet
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-29 09:26:26 
Erlangen University
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:27:00 
Re: Erlangen University
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-29 09:27:40 
Re: Erlangen University
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:28:04 
Summa Cum Laude
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:03:55 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:05:09 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Mary Willston <marywil  2005-11-29 13:08:05 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:08:52 
Taken at Their Word
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 13:10:55 
Re: Taken at Their Word
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:11:14 
Nietzsche
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Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:18:33 
Re: Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:18:54 
Re: Nietzsche
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-29 13:19:14 
Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:19:32 
Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-29 13:19:57 
Re: Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:20:23 
Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 05:42:11 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-30 05:42:41 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 05:43:00 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-30 05:43:29 
In Leipzig
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:47:46 
Re: In Leipzig
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-30 07:48:09 
Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:50:26 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-30 07:50:54 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:51:19 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-30 07:52:18 
Called to Halle
"Megan R." <  2005-11-30 07:52:55 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-02 16:48:47 
Lectures and Journeys
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-12-02 16:49:58 
Re: Lectures and Journeys
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-02 16:50:22 
Emy-Margret
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-03 08:19:04 
Re: Emy-Margret
"Greg G." <i  2005-12-03 08:19:34 
Room for Children
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-03 08:20:32 
Re: Room for Children
Werner <ploughuk@[EMAI  2005-12-03 08:20:57 
Re: Room for Children
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-03 08:21:33 
Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:33:11 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-05 08:33:48 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
"Greg G." <i  2005-12-05 08:34:47 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:35:46 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:35:58 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:36:14 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:36:28 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Adam <contactbruderhof  2005-12-05 08:36:57 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-05 08:37:38 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
"Megan R." <  2005-12-05 08:38:03 

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