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Re: Parental Influence

by Bruderhof <contact@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 4, 2005 at 08:26 AM

Bruderhof News wrote:

> Bruderhof wrote:
> 
>> Bruderhof News wrote:
>> 
>>> Bruderhof wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is hard to decide which of Eberhard’s parents most influenced
>>>> him since the two relationships differed considerably. His father
>>>> devoted himself first and foremost to his own studies. During
>>>> Eberhard’s boyhood years Carl Franklin Arnold was chiefly occupied
>>>> with the history of the Gallic Church under Caesar the Arelate II.
>>>> Later he studied the Salzburg Protestants and their expulsion by
>>>> Archbishop Firmian in the eighteenth century. He habitually
>>>> withdrew to his study, only emerging at mealtimes. When he invited
>>>> company it was almost always other university professors or senior
>>>> students, with whom he would have heated discussions. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Each morning the family gathered and Carl Franklin Arnold read from
>>> the Moravian Brethren’s daily texts. In the evening he treated his
>>> children, some of whom had not even reached school age, to “The
>>> Sorcerer’s Apprentice” and other poetic works of Goethe, whom he
>>> greatly admired. Neither the daily texts nor Goethe’s poetry seem to
>>> have made any lasting impression on the children; presumably for the
>>> little ones it all simply passed over their heads. But as they grew
>>> older, their father expected them to participate in intellectual
>>> discussions on topics ranging from the cultural history of the
>>> eighteenth century and the German idealism of Fichte, Schelling, and
>>> Schleiermacher to the intellectual prowess of Carlyle and Macaulay.
>>> Carl Franklin Arnold’s enthusiasm for the German philosophers was
>>> summed up in his harsh censure of those closing years of the
>>> nineteenth century: “Our era is extremely boring as far as any
>>> higher thought is concerned. Since Bismarck’s day our policies have
>>> been thoroughly stupid, if not fundamentally flawed.”
>>> 
>> 
>> Eberhard’s father rarely relaxed or enjoyed himself. He could be 
>> cheerful, even happy, but for the most part reserved these emotions
>> for family celebrations. Surprisingly, he raised no objections to the
>> children’s absorption in the wildly fanciful adventure stories of
>> Karl May. Eberhard crafted the fine art of smuggling these books –
>> full of Arabian mystique or Native-American suspense – into the
>> Sunday church service. But his father had little understanding for
>> children’s nonsense. “You are intellectually dead,” he once informed
>> his offspring when he caught them in trivial conversation.
>> 
> 
> Eberhard’s mother had a more practical nature. She highly respected
> her husband’s erudition, but from time to time questioned the point of
> his endless research, or would have liked to see more of him – “You
> should have been a monk,” she would say. A hospitable woman who
> enjoyed company, Elisabeth Arnold was always full of bustling
> activity, a trait she passed on to her son. Her husband permitted her
> – although not entirely voluntarily – the unrestricted control of her
> household. This required considerable organization, since it totaled
> nine members: the parents, five children, and two maids. Elisabeth
> Arnold insisted that her children be careful and thorough. It was
> usually late evening before she allowed herself to relax and to read
> newspapers and magazines. Her manner towards others was very direct
> and could even appear unfeeling, though in fact she was warmhearted
> and quite approachable. Unlike her husband, she possessed a vein of
> ironic humor. She was tall, blonde, and blue-eyed. Eberhard wrote
> about his mother’s unusually penetrating gaze, apparently without any
> idea that many people saw the same from his eyes. 
> 

In spite of her strictness, Elisabeth Arnold always maintained a good 
relationship with her children and never let a rift develop between 
them.11 Carl Franklin Arnold, on the other hand, in his eagerness to 
foster intellectual discussion, was ready to push things to extremes, 
even when the children were quite young. All in all, Eberhard and his 
siblings went through a strenuous but markedly successful course of 
character building.




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Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-01 08:52:26 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-01 08:53:31 
Who was Eberhard Arnold?
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-01 08:54:22 
Re: Who was Eberhard Arnold?
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-02 13:27:02 
At First Sight
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-18 08:23:47 
Re: At First Sight
"Megan R." <  2005-11-18 08:24:23 
Re: At First Sight
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-18 08:24:54 
Re: At First Sight
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-18 08:25:32 
Re: At First Sight
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-18 08:26:09 
Harmony from the Outset
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:12:02 
Re: Harmony from the Outset
"Megan R." <  2005-11-22 08:12:57 
Re: Harmony from the Outset
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:13:18 
Re: Harmony from the Outset
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-22 08:13:41 
Courtship and Engagement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:14:21 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
"Megan R." <  2005-11-02 08:45:22 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-03 09:49:11 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-03 09:49:38 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-03 09:50:09 
Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:24:52 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:25:51 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-04 08:26:28 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:26:50 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-04 08:27:30 
Teenage Antics
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:07:09 
A Disappointing Confirmation
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:07:49 
Re: A Disappointing Confirmation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:09:00 
Re: A Disappointing Confirmation
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-07 08:09:34 
Diversions
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:10:42 
Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:11:31 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:11:55 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:12:51 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-07 08:13:37 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-07 08:14:02 
Dedication
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-08 08:02:14 
Re: Dedication
Adam <contactbruderhof  2005-11-08 08:03:07 
Introduction to the Anabaptists
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:07:10 
Re: Introduction to the Anabaptists
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-14 08:07:44 
Re: Introduction to the Anabaptists
"Megan R." <  2005-11-14 08:08:23 
Time Out
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:09:18 
Re: Dedication
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-08 08:03:37 
Initial Consequences
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-09 11:39:47 
A Widening Rift
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-09 11:40:23 
Re: A Widening Rift
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-09 11:41:09 
Re: A Widening Rift
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-09 11:41:37 
Missionary Zeal
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-11 08:12:31 
Re: Missionary Zeal
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-11 08:16:12 
The Salvation Army
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-11 08:16:46 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:20:05 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:20:51 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:21:10 
Re: The Salvation Army
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-11 08:21:34 
Re: Decisive Weeks
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-07 08:13:19 
Re: Decisive Weeks
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-07 08:12:24 
Re: Parental Influence
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-04 08:25:27 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-14 08:10:31 
Without Conviction
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-14 08:11:22 
Re: Without Conviction
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-14 08:12:44 
The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:27:39 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
"Megan R." <  2005-11-15 08:28:42 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:29:15 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-15 08:29:36 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-15 08:30:33 
Halle
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-16 08:40:38 
Re: Halle
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-16 08:41:20 
Re: Halle
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-16 08:41:52 
Re: Halle
"Megan R." <  2005-11-16 08:42:34 
Re: Halle
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-16 08:42:57 
Re: Halle
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-16 08:43:44 
The Silesian Seminary
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 10:58:43 
Re: The Silesian Seminary
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 10:59:49 
Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:00:34 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:01:25 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 11:01:51 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-17 11:02:27 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Megan R." <  2005-11-17 11:02:49 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-17 11:03:16 
Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-18 08:18:50 
Re: Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
"Megan R." <  2005-11-18 08:21:15 
Re: Bernhard Kühn and the Evangelical Alliance Magazine
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-18 08:21:57 
Re: Growing Responsibility in the SCM
Carole <carolev@[EMAIL  2005-11-17 11:01:02 
Re: The Student Christian Movement
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-15 08:30:07 
Re: Without Conviction
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-14 08:12:04 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-22 08:15:39 
Love Letters
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 08:16:26 
Re: Love Letters
Mary <help@[EMAIL PROT  2005-11-22 08:17:24 
The Issue of Baptism
Werner <ploughuk@[EMAI  2005-11-22 19:16:05 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:18:09 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:19:04 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:23:00 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:24:55 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:50 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:08 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:26 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:25:38 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:16 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:36 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:00 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:26 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:26:53 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
"Megan R." <  2005-11-22 19:27:29 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-22 19:28:38 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-22 19:29:01 
Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-23 08:29:46 
Re: Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-23 08:30:09 
Re: Breaking with the State Church
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-23 08:30:39 
Exasperated Parents
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-24 08:34:01 
Re: Exasperated Parents
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-24 08:35:57 
Re: Exasperated Parents
"Megan R." <  2005-11-24 09:02:34 
Separation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-25 13:28:12 
Re: Separation
"Megan R." <  2005-11-25 13:29:26 
Re: Separation
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-25 13:30:03 
Fundamental Disagreements among SCM Leaders
"Megan R." <  2005-11-28 08:42:07 
Re: Fundamental Disagreements among SCM Leaders
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:42:48 
The Pentecostal Movement Begins
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-28 08:43:33 
Re: The Pentecostal Movement Begins
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:44:50 
Re: The Pentecostal Movement Begins
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-28 08:45:36 
YMCA and YWCA
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:46:04 
Re: YMCA and YWCA
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-28 08:46:36 
Plans
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:47:09 
Re: Plans
"Megan R." <  2005-11-28 08:47:48 
Examination Denied
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-28 08:48:33 
Re: Examination Denied
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-28 08:49:31 
Re: Examination Denied
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-28 08:50:07 
Re: The Issue of Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-22 19:28:07 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 09:17:16 
Changing Course
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 09:18:07 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:19:44 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-29 09:20:18 
Re: Changing Course
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:20:49 
Re: Changing Course
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-29 09:21:19 
Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:22:08 
Re: Baptism
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-29 09:22:34 
Re: Baptism
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:23:00 
On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 09:23:46 
Re: On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:24:22 
Re: On Their Own Feet
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 09:25:01 
Re: On Their Own Feet
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:26:03 
Re: On Their Own Feet
"Greg G." <i  2005-11-29 09:26:26 
Erlangen University
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:27:00 
Re: Erlangen University
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-29 09:27:40 
Re: Erlangen University
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 09:28:04 
Summa Cum Laude
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:03:55 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:05:09 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Mary Willston <marywil  2005-11-29 13:08:05 
Re: Summa Cum Laude
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:08:52 
Taken at Their Word
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-29 13:10:55 
Re: Taken at Their Word
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:11:14 
Nietzsche
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-29 13:18:08 
Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:18:33 
Re: Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:18:54 
Re: Nietzsche
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-29 13:19:14 
Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-29 13:19:32 
Re: Nietzsche
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-11-29 13:19:57 
Re: Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-29 13:20:23 
Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 05:42:11 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
"Megan R." <  2005-11-30 05:42:41 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 05:43:00 
Re: Confronting Nietzsche
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-30 05:43:29 
In Leipzig
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:47:46 
Re: In Leipzig
Jim <contact@[EMAIL PR  2005-11-30 07:48:09 
Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:50:26 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Greasy <contact@[EMAIL  2005-11-30 07:50:54 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-11-30 07:51:19 
Re: Estrangement of a Friend
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-11-30 07:52:18 
Called to Halle
"Megan R." <  2005-11-30 07:52:55 
Re: Against the Wind: Eberhard Arnold and the Bruderhof
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-02 16:48:47 
Lectures and Journeys
Bruderhof News <news1@  2005-12-02 16:49:58 
Re: Lectures and Journeys
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-02 16:50:22 
Emy-Margret
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-03 08:19:04 
Re: Emy-Margret
"Greg G." <i  2005-12-03 08:19:34 
Room for Children
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-03 08:20:32 
Re: Room for Children
Werner <ploughuk@[EMAI  2005-12-03 08:20:57 
Re: Room for Children
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-03 08:21:33 
Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:33:11 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-05 08:33:48 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
"Greg G." <i  2005-12-05 08:34:47 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:35:46 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:35:58 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:36:14 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof Communities <  2005-12-05 08:36:28 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Adam <contactbruderhof  2005-12-05 08:36:57 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
Bruderhof <contact@[EM  2005-12-05 08:37:38 
Re: Hermann Kutter and the Social Issue
"Megan R." <  2005-12-05 08:38:03 

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