On May 12, 9:37 am, Donna Kupp <dk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 11, 3:57 pm, Phoenix <phoenixhasri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > On May 10, 2:34 pm, "Reverend Ozone"
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> > <CaptainOzon...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > Why is that? Do you disagree with the Good News of ?????
Messiah?
>
> > > What disagreement?
> > > Why do you wish to create an argument where there is none, really?
>
> > Actually from what I know, hardly anything Apostle Paul teaches agrees
> > with what the Messiah taught in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. For
> > that matter, nothing Paul wrote agrees with any of the prophets of the
> > Old Testament. I could give you a hundred example but one key issue
> > of scripture is guarding the Sabbath.
>
> > Eze 20:11 =E2=80=9CAnd I gave them My laws and showed them My
right-ruli=
ngs,
> > =E2=80=98which, if a man does, he shall live by them.=E2=80=99
> > Eze 20:12 =E2=80=9CAnd I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1
betwe=
en
> > them and Me, to know that I am =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 who sets them
ap=
art. Footnote:
> > 1See Ex. 31:13-17.
>
> > Keeping the Sabbath is the "Sign" of the people of Elohim.
>
> > Exo 20:8 =E2=80=9CRemember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
>
> > Without quoting false apostle Paul can you give me a single scripture
> > thats says you should ignore the Sabbath and go to church on Sunday?
> > Jesus kept the Sabbath:
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> > Mar 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath
> > day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
>
> > Paul kept the Sabbath
>
> > Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
> > sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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> > Every author of scripture outside of Paul's books states to keep the
> > commandments, the Sabbath being one of those 10.
>
> > Shalom,
>
> > Phoenix
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> Donna writes:
>
> People slander Paul when they say that he did not uphold The Ten
> Commandments including the seventh day Sabbath.
>
> PAUL:
>
> "Being cir***cised or uncir***cised isn't really what matters. The
> im****tant thing is to obey God's commands." 1 Cor 7:19
>
> Cir***cision is not part of the Ten Commandments that include the
> Sabbath Commandment.
>
> Donna Kupp
>
> I am not a Seventh Day Adventist (and never have been), a natural Jew,
> or a Catholic. I am simply the least of Christ's brethren who love
> Him and keep His Commandments.
>
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hnfo
The thing is Donna is that Paul spoke of both. He was double sided
and spoke about keeping the Torah but also not keeping the Torah. The
key to understanding Paul is that you have to realize he never spoke
of the Good News of =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 Messiah in the flesh.
If=
you go into the
Greek, you find that Paul considered himself having the power of the
Messiah.
2Co 12:9 so that the power of Messiah rests on me.
Now the Messiah stated that All power was given to him by the Father.
The reason I pointed this out is because when it came to cir***cision,
Paul was again double sided. Notice this first:
1Co 9:19 For though I am free from all, I made myself a servant to
all, in order to win more,
He is "free from all" and made himself a servant to the Messiah inside
of him.
1Co 9:20 and to the Yehud=CC=B1im I became as a Yehud=CC=B1ite, that I
might=
win
Yehud=CC=B1im; to those who are under Torah, as under Torah, so as to win
those who are under Torah; 1Co 9:21 to those without Torah, as without
Torah =E2=80=93 not being without Torah toward Elohim, but under Torah of
Messiah =E2=80=93 so as to win those who are without Torah.
He tells you without a doubt that he's playing both sides and hear is
the just a part of the proof:
Gal 5:2 See, I, Sha=E2=80=99ul, say to you that if you become cir***cised,
Messiah shall be of no use to you.
Paul teaches that if you become cir***cised, Christ will do you no
good at all, "no use". Yet watch this:
Act 16:3 Sha=E2=80=99ul wished to have this one go with him. And he took
him=
and cir***cised him because of the Yehud=CC=B1im who were in those places,
for they all knew that his father was Greek.
So if what he told the Galatians that the "Messiah shall be of no use"
to those who become cir***cised, why was he a hypocrite and performing
them? Because he wasn't actually an apostle of
=D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=
=A2 Messiah but
rather an apostle of his own internal Messiah.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of Elohim: Every spirit that
confesses that =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 Messiah has come in the
flesh =
is of Elohim,
You will find in all 14 books of Paul, not one mention of the Messiah
was spoken about in the flesh.
Rom 1:3 concerning His Son, who came of the seed of Dawid=CC=B1 according
to the flesh,
This and one other passage are close but the Messiah did not come from
the "seed" of man and so this passage is only speaking about the
promise of David that came by his seed. Paul mixed in his Pharisee
teachings into his 3 different "revelations" of the Messiah.
Shalom,
Snow
A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of
consensus.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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