>> >>> >the first fifteen years or so of my life
>> >>>
>> >>> Get a clue, dude. I have said repeatedly that I was born and
raised in
>> >>> a S. Baptist home by a mother who was the daughter of a Southern
>> >>> Baptist pastor.
>> >>> The church I attended since birth was one of the three largest in
>> >>> Wa****ngton, D.C., Metropolitan Baptist Church, 6th and A St., SE.
Use
>> >>> your search engine and find it.
>> >>> I was a member of that church until I was drafted into the Viet
Nam
>> >>> war in the late 60s.
>> >>
>> >>You were drafted into the Air Force? Precisely what year "in the
late
60s"
>> >>did that event occur, Sir?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Try to get him to give you th first 2 digits of his serial number,
>> >there are places where you can find out if he was drafted with that
>> >information.
>> >
>> >SNIP
>> >
>> >walksalone who was on active duty when the transfer from seial
numbers
>> >to SSAN was done.
>>
>> My new one, given after the transition begins with 21
>> My old one, given BEFORE the transition, begins with AF
>>
>> John W
>>
>> In Christ,
>>
>John, why not just tell the truth?
I have told the truth. Always. When I have "typo ed", and
someone has
pointed it out, I have admitted it and changed it. When I've out
and
out mis-spoken, I have admitted that. I am not responsible for
"admitting my lies" when I don't lie, and you and others merely
don't
believe me.
Either you were drafted or you were not.
I was drafted, as were probably 3/4 of my graduating class, MOST
of
whom did not come home.
>Either you fought in Vietnam or you didn't.
I did NOT fight IN Vietnam. I never said I did.
I can't help the ASSUMPTIONS people make, and I've seen a lot of
people in here, including SL, add 2 + 2 and get 7, and then
blame me
for their assumptions and miscalculations.
>
>Just out of interest, what did you do in the military?
That's kinda personal, but you could probably look it up, so I
will
tell you, I was trained as an "Environmental Systems
Specialist/Technician". (one starts out as an Apprentice. When
he
reaches a level of proficiency where he can work without
assistance,
he becomes a Specialist. When he becomes proficient enough to
train
others, he becomes a Technician.) I never got past Apprentice. I
had
the skills in my head, bur for reasons I won't bore you /anyone
with,
I never qualified.
(I've forgotten all the duties, and I no longer have the
paperwork-all
that was stolen several years ago when EVERYTHING but one
computer was
stolen from me, as I've told before)
However, Environmental Systems include: Heating, Air
Conditioning,
Cabin Pressurization, Fire Extingui****ng, and one other that
escapes
me at the moment.
While I could repair our systems once they were in the shop with
NO
problem, and I was given the task of keeping the 10 manuals up
to
date, I was unable to transfer my knowledge to working IN the
airplanes.
John W
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I'm a vet of the VietNam conflict. I was stationed at
Lakenheath,
Alconbury, Rhine Main, and Cigli briefly.
I'm looking for someone either at Lakenheath (preferred) or at
Alconbury to do me a couple of favors that will be one fun
Saturday
afternoon for you. And you MIGHT learn something. You'll need a
digital camera.
Thanks, and get back to me ASAP! I REALLY need this favor.
John Weatherly
AF1156xxxx
ret'd E-5
11/67
(the year Martin and Bobby were shot.)
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>And I don't recall calling it my "career." I certainly didn't call it
my
>career in THIS post.
For a wordsmith, you leave a lot to be desired. This post, indicatesthis
very particular posted to have just written and this is being responded
to, or of course, you have not call to your career in this post.
However, as indicated by the above posts that have been reposted, you
have implied that you had a career for you indicated you a retired, an e-
5, and therefore entitled to have claimed a career. However in the same
series that is above, you indicated that you had received a list and
honorable discharge for that was the only way you can get one and you
were willing to take it.
>Oh, how you LOVE to EXAGGERATE (lie).
Indeed, you do enjoy lying it would appear, as well as other less than
savory habits.
>God bless you, oh Virgin Darth!
Which god, for sure he no god worthy of the name would do anything you
told to do.
>jw
which wannabe this time jw, no one they cannot keep your story straight &
expects everyone else to believe in even though he is known as a liar for
he been caught in a large quantity of his attempted lies.
walksalone who has to admit, for jw, archives are not his friend.
--
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> Atheism vs. Christianity
>
> a.. Atheism does not have missions to feed the hungry.
> b.. Atheism does not have programs to give shelter to the homeless.
> c.. Atheism does not trouble itself to help the poor or give to the
> needy.
> d.. Atheism does not clothe the ****d or visit the imprisoned.
> e.. Atheism does not give hope to the despairing, does not give love
to
> the needy soul, or open arms to the broken-hearted.
> f.. Atheism does not seek to bring healing to any person.
> g.. Atheism does not intend to encourage the down-trodden.
> h.. Atheism seeks to tear down Love and stop its flow into the hearts
of
> the un-loved.
Sir Bob Geldof is an atheist.
--
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>"John W" <joh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sun, 11 May 2003 22:08:56 -0400, "Susan Cohen" <flav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"Patricia Heil" <pjayh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>
>> >> What occurs to me is we have to wonder where all that money
>> >> went. Sounds like the people running the program just
>> >> pocketed it all. Xians cheating Xians in other words.
>> >
>> >Could be a good deal of it went to that stupid "theme park" (which I
>> >actually saw from the highway before I realized what it was). But to
be
>> >honest, *all* of the money could have gone into conversion materials,
&
>it
>> >all just failed. We're becomong more savvy, & even if we Jews don't
agree
>on
>> >what Judaism should be, we know damned well what it's not, & that's
>Xianity,
>> >or any other religion.
>> >
>> >Susan
>> >
>> How sad that you've lived this many years and you've never realized
>> that Christ fulfilled roughly half the prophesies regarding the
>> Messiah.
>
no COMMENT? Sheesh! You TRULY can't respond intelligently!
>
>> ALL you are saying here is that you prefer tradition over salvation.
>>
>> Sad.
>>
>> And you ignore the fact that MANY Jews STILL find Christ. We call them
>> "completed Jews" or "fulfilled Jews". And there are several here in
>> this group.
>
>How sad that you are still living your entire life believing something
that
>is so easily disproved.
What can be "so easily disproved?" I've spent my life learning how to
defend my faith. Prove it's not true!
>>
>> You also ignore the fact that ALL the 1st Christians were Jews,
>> including our Savior, the 12, and most of the 1st generation of
>> disciples.
>
>You ignore the fact that this is a non-sequitur.
Obviously just because you can use 3-syllable words doesn't mean you
understand them. If Jesus wasn't Jewish, what religion did He follow?
What religion did Peter and James and Andrew and Luke and Stephen and
Paul follow? They were JEWS!!!
>Like all missioanries, you're both stupid & arrogant.
>It would be funny if there weren't so many of you.
You don't know me, sugar, so don't call me "stupid". I'll match my
education and IQ to yours ANY DAY. And if you are THAT intelligent,
try responding intelligently to my comments and questions. I'm not
getting any intelligence; I'm getting juvenile vomit. As for
arrogance, pot kettle.
John W
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>> >"Patricia Heil" <pjayh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> What occurs to me is we have to wonder where all that money
>> >> went. Sounds like the people running the program just
>> >> pocketed it all. Xians cheating Xians in other words.
>> >
>> >Could be a good deal of it went to that stupid "theme park" (which I
>> >actually saw from the highway before I realized what it was). But to
be
>> >honest, *all* of the money could have gone into conversion materials,
&
>it
>> >all just failed. We're becomong more savvy, & even if we Jews don't
agree
>on
>> >what Judaism should be, we know damned well what it's not, & that's
>Xianity,
>> >or any other religion.
>> >
>> >Susan
>> >
>> How sad that you've lived this many years and you've never realized
>> that Christ fulfilled roughly half the prophesies regarding the
>> Messiah.
>
no COMMENT? Sheesh! You TRULY can't respond intelligently!
>
>> ALL you are saying here is that you prefer tradition over salvation.
>>
>> Sad.
>>
>> And you ignore the fact that MANY Jews STILL find Christ. We call them
>> "completed Jews" or "fulfilled Jews". And there are several here in
>> this group.
>
>How sad that you are still living your entire life believing something
that
>is so easily disproved.
What can be "so easily disproved?" I've spent my life learning how to
defend my faith. Prove it's not true!
>>
>> You also ignore the fact that ALL the 1st Christians were Jews,
>> including our Savior, the 12, and most of the 1st generation of
>> disciples.
>
>You ignore the fact that this is a non-sequitur.
Obviously just because you can use 3-syllable words doesn't mean you
understand them. If Jesus wasn't Jewish, what religion did He follow?
What religion did Peter and James and Andrew and Luke and Stephen and
Paul follow? They were JEWS!!!
>Like all missioanries, you're both stupid & arrogant.
>It would be funny if there weren't so many of you.
You don't know me, sugar, so don't call me "stupid". I'll match my
education and IQ to yours ANY DAY. And if you are THAT intelligent,
try responding intelligently to my comments and questions. I'm not
getting any intelligence; I'm getting juvenile vomit. As for
arrogance, pot kettle.
John W
>
>Susan
>>
>> John W
>>
>>
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> Bothered by the cross
> by Deanna Murshed
>
> As someone who has been a Christian for a while now, I must confess
that
> the idea of redemption through the cross has lost its power to bother
or
> puzzle me as it did in the past.
>
>
> I remember being jealous of folks who could confess a grand conversion
> experience that pulled them from lives of sheer drunken hedonistic
> debauchery - dramatic stories in which they were saved just in the nick
of
> time - into resurrection just by the skin of their teeth. And although
> getting in by the skin of our teeth is surely true for all of us, it is
at
> least more obvious in those great stories, for whatever reason.
>
>
> But that is not my story.
>
>
> Even my earliest memories include my mother sharing Bible stories with
me.
> Though I struggled with the meaning or reality of these accounts to be
> sure - I can't recall a time when I didn't perceive myself within this
> grand story of redemption.
>
>
> My mother showed me a simple faith. My father, on the other hand,
> questioned just about everything. And I somehow inherited both. God
help
> those who hear me think out loud.
>
>
> I also remember that as a child, the idea that Christ died on the cross
> and rose again for me - though it was repeated over and over again and
I
> so desperately wanted to believe it made sense - seemed odd. But I
think
> it was repeated often enough, that eventually, I just came to accept
it.
> After all, the answer to almost any question in Sunday school was easy:
> "because Jesus died on the cross!"
Yes. Christians do like quick and easy fixes to all of life's problems
don't
they.
Jesus is the quick and easy fix for everything.
>
>
> So, somewhere along the road, I took it for granted that Christ lived,
> died, and rose again. Somewhere, maybe after I had responded to the
sixth
> altar call - just to make sure God had duly noted my belief - I had
heard
> it enough times to think I had this mystery of mysteries settled.
>
>
> But every now and then, I come back to that place. Really, what in the
> world does this mean? Christ died on the cross. It is so easy to hear
now
> that the absolute foolishness of it - and I mean that in the best
possible
> way - simply ceases to amaze me.
Me too. I'm constantly amazed by the stupid stories these guys fall for
day
after day.
>
>
> But liturgical cycles are good for that - making you not forget any
part
> of the story and asking you to revisit each station, as it were. One
> passage has been coming to mind (from John's gospel):
>
>
> "Jesus replied, 'The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
> Very truly, I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth
and
> dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much
fruit.
> Those who love their life lose it, and those who hate their life in
this
> world will keep it for eternal life'" (12:23-25).
>
>
> The version of the Bible called The Message states the last verse this
> way: "In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is
destroys
> that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you'll have it
> forever, real and eternal."
>
>
> The part that really struck me recently (though I've surely heard it
read
> a hundred times) is that the dying of the grain is not for the
> resurrection of the seed itself - you do not die simply to be
resurrected
> into a better you. You don't give up that bad habit or attitude, greed
or
> grudge, simply to come out on top. (Though I suppose that's not a bad
> place to begin). No, the grain dies so that it can produce and
reproduce
> life. The passage says, unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it
is
> no more than a single grain.
>
>
> The answer as to why the grain needs to die is for it not to remain
alone.
> In other words, Christ died so that he could bear more Christs and grow
> his reign!
Well religionists are the experts in totally misinterpreting and
misrepresenting texts for their own agenda.
Every normal person knows that.
>
>
> Though this way of living for others seems like such a radical
> (re)orientation, all of creation seems to be screaming this message.
Every
> part of the wheat is living for the spread of life, wants there to be
more
> wheat. The most basic cycle of nature reflects the divine order.
>
>
> It is simply astounding, when I think about it, that the God of
creation
> does not live for direct self-satisfaction!
How do you know that? (I'm not sure now if you're advocating the above or
ridiculing it)
Everything *is* him/it. Everything is energy. He/it *is* energy. It is
all one. We are all one (in different aspects/facades).
Therefore ultimately it will be himself that will be satisfied.
Everything that everyone does is ultimately for self satisfaction.
There's
no other motivation.
When you make a sacrifice of your time and energy to give your love to
someone you will ultimately get a return. It may take a while but you'll
get
it in the end. Everyone knows it.
Even when a mother gives unconditional love to her child she's partly
doing
it so she can have the satisfaction of knowing that she raised the child.
> The God of creation who has
> all power and all might is in constant submission to another purpose.
And
> God is inviting us to follow.
Power and might is irrelevant. When everything *is* you, you don't need
to
exercise any power over it.
>
>
> When one reads the surrounding texts in John where Christ is trying to
> explain to his disciples who he is and why he must leave them, he is
> rather indirect. He never says, I do such and such because that is my
> plan. Rather, he points to the Father and then says that the Father
points
> to the Son and has given Him authority.
I thought they were supposed to be the same person.
Why all this obsession with authority and hierarchy?
Those are human ego concepts.
> And then the Spirit testifies of
> the Son and so on and on. And then the Father lifts up the Son. It is
> almost comedic how each part of the trinity points the finger at the
other
> - not in blame, as in the human tendency - but because of a perfect
> harmony, submission, and a trade of trust and authority between each
> member. This is a wholly different order - a glimpse of what divine
> community looks like.
>
>
> I don't know about you, but completely surrendering my will for another
> goes against every grain of my self-preserving being. And it looks
nothing
> whatsoever like our capitalist culture which encourages us to think the
> opposite - both economically and morally. The world says that if each
> individual seeks out his or her own personal fulfillment, we will all
> ultimately benefit. But the gospel compels us to seek the benefit of
> others with no guarantee of anything in return.
>
>
> This is a terrifying invitation that should bother us.
>
>
> But do our motives have to be absolutely perfect in the sight of God
> before we can follow? And can we ever reach the point of being
perfectly
> other-oriented? (If so, I'm in trouble).
>
>
> But I'm comforted that in scripture, I find myself in good company.
> Christ's disciples followed him for many reasons - not all of which
were
> noble. Ironically, sometimes they were selfish in their pursuit of
> selflessness. Sometimes they sought to gain something (to meet earthly
or
> eternal needs), other times because they knew there was no other way.
> Later, they figured a few things out - saw Christ more fully - and
their
> motives changed to those of gratitude, and ultimately, they imitated
> Christ's example to obey simply because God is worthy.
>
>
> So, I've come to believe that we hold on to this mysterious truth for
> different reasons at different times in our lives, though we may never
> come to fully understand how it is that Christ's death saves us.
>
>
> That we should follow Jesus in his death so that we might really live
is
> the message of this Easter season.
>
>
> May God have mercy on us as we follow this call.
He/it is not angry at us to begin with. No evidence exists for such.
>
>
> Deanna Murshed, integrated marketing manager at Sojourners, is a
graduate
> of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School's faith and culture program.
> --
> Russ T. Nale
>
> http://grace.break.at
>
> God is still speaking
> http://www.stillspeaking.com
>
> To send e-mail, remove "youhat" from address
--
Andrew W.
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of
any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of
existence.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it
describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most im****tant key to the
political behaviour of Western Civilization.”
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:06:05 -0400, "R. Uniacke"
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> wrote:
>I have wicked elaine on the back burner for an indefinite period and she
>must be steaming gas. I noticed she's now using an interrogation sign as
a
>nicker. From "Romath" and a thousand more nicks, to "?" . How
depressing.
>Woman with a thousand faces getting uglier as the years go by. How is
your
>liver wicked one?
>
Note that every time I use a differnent sig/nik, for whatever reason,
even Elaine questions my motives and activities. Yet she changes her
sig/nik almost weekly.
What is SHE hiding? Who cares?
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>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:07:43 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:13:31 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"SongBookz" <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:0i1cd357ip776iuricvgos8lfaepculs0q@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:33:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is, your political yammering is as off-kilter as your
>>>>>religious/spiritual views.
>>>>
>>>> Right back atcha buckwheat.
>>>>
>>>> Terrell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nazi = National Socialist Party = Liberal = government owned
>>>
>>>DUUUHHH
>>
>> Now, you wouldn't expect Terrell to ADMIT he's a
>>Socialist/Communist, would you?
>>
>
>I will admit I am a Democratic Socialist
Clap! Clap! Clap! Clap!
Stomp your feet!
For ONCE, you have admitted your philosophy! You are a closet
Communist! ("Socialist") < Socialism is where it starts; Communism >
Fascism is where it ends up.
- just like the Christians in
>Acts,
Lie! There is no socialism in the Old Testament, nor is there any
socialism/communism in the New!
The last Proverb describes a woman engaged in CAPITALISM.
Jesus described capitalism with the parable of the talents.
The servant who had been given 2 talents ($100) invested it, doubled
it, and returned $400 to his master (boss).
The servant who had been given 5 talents ($250) invested it, doubled
it, and returned $500 to his master (boss).
When you twist and distort the Bible for your own ends, you do so
with the wrong person in your face. (me). With my 50 + year background
of Bible study and training, I can likely run circles around you.
For every pound of crap you dump, I can likely bury you in 20 pounds
of scripture!
The fact that the disciples after Christ left CHOSE to "have all
things in common" does NOT reflect Socialism, as this "having all
things in common" was VOLUNTARY, and not compelled by any form of
government!
Even today, we find that "obeying every single command" even if we
confine ourselves to the New Testament, is IMPOSSIBLE.
And the New Testament is replete with examples of commandments the
disciples (baby and mature Christians) failed to follow consistently,
as we fail today.
I am not, however a Communist, there is a difference, you know.
As I have said, from Socialism to Communism is a VERY slippery
slope.
>
>
>> I haven't ever talked with a single Leftist Democrat YET who didn't
>>STRONGLY favor robbing the wealthy and "redistributing the wealth to
>>the poor." (of course, we have to TRUST the people who are supposed
>>to "redistribute" the wealth)
>>
>> Robbing/confiscating the wealth and redistributing it is PRECISELY
>>what Socialism / Communism are KNOWN for.
>>
>
>Which is exactly what the Republicans do, they rob from the poor and
>middle class and redistribute it to the rich.
?????? You have AGAIN twisted my words. I said NOTHING about
"confiscating the wealth of the poor." I said, communism/socialism
promotes confiscating the wealth of the wealthy."
This twisting of words to try in vain to make an unworthy point is
PRECISELY why you do not come across as a sincere Christian.
What you have just done is LIE yet again.
>
>> And we all know that Communism (Leftist government /Democrat) is one
>>short step from Fascism.
>
>Communists (extreme left) and Fascists (extreme right) are polar
>opposites.
I guess you didn't read the first part of my post. You have LIED
AGAIN!
What both extremes have in common is a tendency towards
>totalitarianism, while Socialism depends on democracy.
Bull crap! Democracy and socialism have NOTHING in common except that
both are forms of government.
And you evidently never heard-- or you would like to forget-- that
many have come from the former USSR and from the former iron block
(Czech, Slovakia, Poland, etc), to America and have expressed GREAT
alarm that America was ALREADY the socialist/becoming communist on the
way to being fascist country they'd just come here to ESCAPE!
Democracy, of
>course, is what the Christo-Fascists are trying to destroy,
Please! Your open lies and obvious distortions do NOTHING to promote
your false declarations that you are "a Christian!
john w
trying
>instead to impose a Right-wing Theocracy on us.
>
>Terrell
>
>
>
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>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:13:16 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:51:05 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:33:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>That is, your political yammering is as off-kilter as your
>>>>religious/spiritual views.
>>>
>>>Right back atcha buckwheat.
You also again prove you're a racist!
>>
>> I PROVE you're dead wrong (about most things), and the best you can
>>do is a one-liner!
>>
>
>You've never even proved your own ass was brown much less any of your
>religious or political vituperations.
ooooooooooooooooh!
>
>Terrell
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>just a quick terminological bit;
>
>this concerns "spirit"
>
>"the breath of life" and "The Holy Spirit"
>are not identical.
>
>while "the breath of life" was breathed
>into "Adam" by God and is therefore
>an animating "spirit" or 'breath' from God,
>
>"the breath of life" does not
>represent "The Mind of Christ"
>or personality structure of God.
I think when mere mortals try to analyze and rationalize and reason
the nature of a being so VAST we call Him "The Supreme Being", we are
doomed to failure.
It is my understanding from the scholars I've studied with (Dr J
Sidlow Baxter, Dr Holland London, Dr William Steuart McBirnie, etc)
that when God breathed life into Adam and Eve, and when God breathed
on Abram and Sarai, (and they became AbraHam and Sarah), those people
WERE IN FACT receiving The Holy Spirit.
In FACT, it is my OWN understanding from those lectures and sermons
that when God formed Adam from the sod and Eve from his rib, and when
God breathed Life into them, that Life that God breathed into them was
The Holy Spirit, and He gave them (and Abraham and Sarah) ETERNAL
LIFE.
It was then Adam and Eve who CHOSE to give up their IMMORTALITY by
sinning.
I think, in fact, that you have MISSED a FAR MORE MAGNIFICANT TRUTH
than you have achieved or received, if you don't see the beautiful
truth that when God gives us Life, it is PERFECT.
It is the moral (you / me) who render that Gift less than perfect!
>
>and so, while it may be stated that
>this "spirit", which is an animating
>"life force", has God as its ultimate
>source, we do not suggest that this
>animating life force is God's
>own personality structure.
I believe we do, actually!
Let me give you one TINY example. I'm not intimately familiar with
each wrinkle and nuance in scripture, but I seem to recall thaT Jesus
sent out two teams of evangelists.
He first sent out 70, "Two by two", and told them, "heal the sick,
raise the dead, cast out evil spirits (demons), and tell people the
Kingdom of God has arrived (in Me - Jesus)!"
He breathed on them (VERY significant act, there) and sent them out.
Now how do you suppose that the green (untrained) disciples were able
to go out
1. heal the sick
2. raise the dead
3. cast out demons
4. declare the Kingdom of God?
Did they do it in the flesh?
I don't believe that for a moment, and neither do you!
If you were to stop and think, when Jesus breathed on them and
blessed them, He gave the The Holy Spirit (He who works miracles)
The God who is capable of (and willing to) dwell within each of us!
In other words, if you are born again, you have the POWER that
created the Universe in 6 literal days, and that POWER is at your very
fingertips, if you would only
BELIEVE!
You evidently don't believe!
john w
>
>it's -sort- of like, as if this;
>
>it's -like- as if "the breath of life"
>is God's bloodstream, and imparted to
>the material, it makes material alive,
>but, when it is removed from the circulating
>Presence of God's own Life -it- slowly wanes
>and ceases to sup****t material animation.
>
>much -like- your blood carries your life
>on it but taken out of circulation and
>placed in a bottle, it slowly ceases to
>be useful in sup****t of living tissue.
>
>and so, while we can say that
>"the breath of life" lives and
>is from God and imparts life
>to the material, when removed
>from God's own Presence, it wanes.
>
>and that waning process is
>like a lightbulb unplugged.
>
>much -unlike- material human beings,
>there is no way to drain all
>the life out of God.
>
>backtracking a bit, it has been mentioned
>how "Adam" never took from the "Tree of Life"
>
>and so, in that regard, it can be stated
>that "Adam" was never plugged into -that-
>Life which is God's own personality structure,
>but was being perpetuated by God's infusion
>of the breath of life.
>
>so, how exactly are "the breath of life"
>and "the Holy Spirit" different?
>
>for one thing, animal life
>carries the "breath of life"
>
>==
>Genesis 7:14-16
>14 they and every beast after its kind,
>all cattle after their kind, every creeping
>thing that creeps on the earth after its kind,
>and every bird after its kind, every bird of
>every sort. 15 And they went into the ark
>to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which
>is the breath of life. 16 So those that
>entered, male and female of all flesh,
>went in as God had commanded him;
>and YHWH shut him in.
>==
>
>
>well, it is also -like- "the breath of life"
>is an aspect of God's Life which specifically
>renders animation to the physical material
>world, while "The Holy Spirit" is a medium
>which bears God in God.
>
>like, "the breath of life" is carried
>on blood and oxygen and God is carried
>on "the Holy Spirit"
>
>"the breath of life" is not blood and
>oxygen because these cannot be said
>to be alive in isolation.
>
>the breath of life drives
>material animation processes.
>
>but we don't say that _God_ is
>made alive by the breath of life,
>but that God -is- Life in God's
>own Persona.
>
>The Holy Spirit is substance
>which is not physically defineable
>but, more than that, The Holy Spirit
>is Life and Living, The Holy Spirit
>carries God and Is God.
>
>so, what of "Adam"
>
>what sort of 'life' did "Adam" possess
>after God breathed the 'breath of life'
>into the non-living, material formed,
>creation, but before "Adam" was able
>to reach out and eat from
>The Tree of Life?
>
>'alive and -not- alive' at the same time?
>
>yes, "Adam" was a functional material animation,
>but "Adam" was not yet inhabitted and possessed
>by the Life of God which carries on God's own,
>non-physical yet, substantial medium.
>
>the breath of life comes from God and
>is sup****table in the material by God,
>but aside from God's own Presence, the
>breath of life does not impart any
>everlasting qualities of its own.
>
>admittedly, this is a, somewhat,
>complex and recursive issue, but
>not one that is without resolution.
>
>and we look at Jesus...
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>Even though Donald Rumsfeld is gone, that doesn't mean that the
>programs he put in motion aren't moving in full swing. After all,
>he considered the internet to be, "an enemy weapons system."
If you are even semi-aware, Don Rumsfeld was entirely correct about
that!
The Internet has proven not only an amazing resource, it has proven
to be deadly!
Children are stolen off the Internet daily,
identities (and bank accounts),
property is stolen,
terrorist activities are planned and carried out.
How many Al Quaeda executions have been carried out LIVE on the
Internet?
As wonderful as the Internet has been, it's also DANGEROUS.
Smart parents don't let their kids on the Internet without
supervision!
Don was / is a totally incompetent JERK, but don't forget who he was
working for!
john w
>_______________
>
>
>
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12060.htm
>
>Rumsfeld Zeros in on the Internet
>
>By Mike Whitney
>
>02/24/06 "ICH" -- -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was
>warmly greeted at the recent meeting of the Council on Foreign
>Relations. The CFR is the hand-picked assemblage of western
>elites from big-energy, cor****ate media, high-finance and the
>weapons industry. These are the 4,000 or so members of the
>American ruling class who determine the shape of policy and
>ensure that the management of the global economic system
>remains in the hands of U.S. bluebloods.
>
>As the Pentagon’s chief-coordinator, Rumsfeld enjoys a prominent
>place among American mandarins. He is the caretaker of their most
>prized possession; the high-tech, taxpayer-funded, laser-guided war
>machine. The US Military is the crown-jewel of the American empire;
>a fully-operational security apparatus for the protection of pilfered
>resources and the ongoing subjugation of the developing world.
>
>Rumsfeld’s speech alerted his audience to the threats facing America
>in the new century.
>
>He opined: “We meet today in the 6th year in what promises to be a
>long struggle against an enemy that in many ways is unlike any our
>country has ever faced. And, in this war, some of the most critical
>battles may not be in the mountains in Afghanistan or in the streets
>of Iraq, but in newsrooms—in places like New York, London, Cairo,
>and elsewhere.”
>
>“New York”? "London"?
>
>“Our enemies have skillfully adapted to fighting wars in today’s media
>age, but for the most part our country has not”.
>
>Huh? Does Rummy mean those grainy, poorly-produced videos of
>Bin Laden and co.?
>
>“Consider that the violent extremists have established ‘media relations
>committees’—and have proven to be highly-successful at manipulating
>opinion-elites. They plan to design their headline-grabbing attacks
using
>every means of communications to intimidate and break the collective
>will of free people”.
>
>What gibberish.......
>
>It’s foolish to mention “intimidating and breaking the collective will
of free
>people” without entering Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo and Falluja into the
>discussion. Rumsfeld is just griping about the disgrace he’s heaped on
>America’s reputation by his refusal to conform to even minimal standards
>of decency. Instead, he insists that America’s declining stature in the
world
>is the result of a hostile media and “skillful enemies”; in other words,
anyone
>with a computer keyboard and a rudimentary sense of moral judgment.
>
>(Our enemies) “know that communications transcend borders…and that
>a single news story , handled skillfully, can be as damaging to our
cause a
>nd as helpful to theirs, as any other method of military attack”.
>
>If the Pentagon is really so worried about “bad press coverage” why not
>close down the torture-chambers and withdrawal from Iraq? Instead,
>Rumsfeld is making the case for a preemptive-assault on free speech.
>
>“The growing number of media outlets in many parts of the world….too
>often serve to inflame and distort, rather than explain and inform. And
>while Al Qaida and extremist movements have utilized this forum for
>many years, and have successfully poisoned the Muslim public’s view
>of the West, we have barely even begun to compete in reaching their
>audiences.”
>
>“Inflame and distort”?
>
>What distortion? Do cameras distort the photos of abused prisoners,
>desperate people, or decimated cities?
>
>Rumsfeld’s analysis borders on the delusional. Al Qaida doesn’t have
>a well-oiled propaganda mechanism that provides a steady stream of
>fabrications to whip the public into a frenzy. That’s the American
media’s
>assignment. And, they haven’t “poisoned Muslim public opinion” against
>us. That has been entirely the doing of the Pentagon warlords and their
>White House compatriots.
>
>“The standard US government public affairs operation was designed
>primarily …to be reactive rather than proactive…Government, however,
>is beginning to adapt”
>
>“Proactive news”? In other words, propaganda.
>
>Rumsfeld confirms his dedication to propaganda by defending the
>bogus stories that were printed in Iraqi newspapers by Pentagon
>contractors. (We) “sought non-traditional means to provide accurate
>information to the Iraqi people in the face of an aggressive campaign
>of disinformation….This has been deemed inappropriate—for examples
>the allegations of ‘buying news’”.
>
>A brazen defense of intentionally planted lies; how low can we sink?
>
>This has had a “chilling effect for those who are asked to serve in the
>military public affairs field.”
>
>Is it really that difficult to print the truth?
>
>Rumsfeld boasts of the vast changes in “communications planning”
>taking place at the Pentagon.
>
>A “public affairs” strategy is at the heart of the new paradigm, replete
>with “rapid response” teams to address the nagging issues of bombed-out
>wedding parties, starving prisoners, and devastated cities. No problem
>is so great that it can’t be papered-over by a public relations team
trained
>in the black-art of deception, obfuscation, and slight-of-hand. Trickery
>now tops the list of military priorities.
>
>“US Central Command has launched an online communications effort
>that includes electronic news updates and a links campaign that has
>resulted in several hundred blogs receiving and publi****ng CENTCOM
>content.”
>
>The military plans to develop the “institutional capability” to respond
to
>critical news coverage within the same news cycle and to develop a
>comprehensive scheme for infiltrating the internet.
>
>The Pentagon’s strategy for taking over the internet and controlling the
>free flow of information has already been chronicled in a recently
>declassified re****t, “The Information Operations Roadmap”; is a
>window into the minds of those who see free speech as dangerous
>as an “enemy weapons-system”.
>
>The Pentagon is aiming for “full spectrum dominance” of the Internet.
>Their objective is to manipulate public perceptions, quash competing
>points of view, and perpetuate a narrative of American generosity and
>good-will.
>
>Rumsfeld’s comments are intended to awaken his constituents to the
>massive information war that is being waged to transform the Internet
>into the progeny of the MSM; a reliable partner for the dissemination
>of establishment-friendly news.
>
>The Associated Press re****ted recently that the US government
>conducted a massive simulated attack on the Internet called
>“Cyber-Storm”. The wargame was designed, among other things,
>to “respond to misinformation campaigns and activist calls by internet
>bloggers, online diarists whose ‘Web logs” include political rantings
> and musings about current events”.
>
>Before Bush took office, “political rantings and musings about current
>events” were protected under the 1st amendment.
>
>No more.
>
>The War Department is planning to insert itself into every area of
>the Internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to
>editorial commentary. Their rapid response team will be on hair-trigger
>alert to dispute any tidbit of information that challenges the official
storyline.
>
>We can expect to encounter, as the BBC notes, “psychological
>operations (that) try to manipulate the thoughts and the beliefs of
>the enemy (as well as) computer network specialists who seek
>to destroy enemy networks.”
>
>The enemy, of course, is anyone who refuses to accept their
>servile role in the new world order or who disrupts the smooth
>operation of the Bush police-state.
>
>The resolve to foreclose on free speech has never been greater.
>
>As for Rumsfeld’s devotees at the CFR, the problem of savaging
>civil liberties is never seriously raised. After all, these are the
primary
>beneficiaries of Wa****ngton’s global resource-war; should it matter
>that other people’s freedom is sacrificed to perpetuate the fundamental
>institutions of class and privilege?
>
>Rumsfeld is right. The only way to prevail on the information-
battlefield
>is to “take no prisoners”; police the Internet, uproot the troublemakers
>and activists who provide the truth, and “catapult the propaganda”
>(Bush) from every bullhorn and web site across the virtual-universe.
>Free speech is a luxury we cannot afford if it threatens to undermine
>the basic platforms of western white rule.
>
>As Rumsfeld said, “We are fighting a battle where the survival of our
>free way of life is at stake.”
>
>Indeed, it is.
>
>
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:41:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:42:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>>Jesus was a Jew. He was born a Jew,
>>>yes
>>>>and he died a Jew.
>>>Not a chance.
>> You're wrong yet again!
>
>Not a chance, jw.
>
>>>He spent most of his adult life preaching against the Jewish man-made
ways and
>>>laws,
>
>> The "man-made ways and laws" were not and are not True Judaism.
>
>You wor****p the OT, jw.
You falsely accuse yet again!
You don't know what or who I wor****p!
I wor****p Jesus the Christ!
The 639 laws are in scripture.
Don't you believe that
>"everything" in the bible is inerrant?
No, I do not. When Satan told Adam and Eve that if they ate the
forbidden fruit, they would NOT DIE, he lied!
When Satan told Jesus, "If you bow down and wor****p me, I will give
you the world!" he lied.
>
>>True
>>Judaism was a "pre-cursor" of sorts, of Christ Himself. If you study
>>the Old Testament, you see God's attempts to redeem man to Himself,
>>and finally, the Perfect Redemption ("once for all").
>
>What is "true Judaism"? Can you qualify that statement?
>
>> Jesus didn't preach against true, pure Judaism. He preached against
>>its mockery by the "elders" of His day.
>
>Is that in any way like you protest_ers denying that the risen LOrd gave
us the
>sacrament of Confession, John 20:22-23, because you consider it non-pure
>Christianity when Jesus, the risen Lord, said it directly and clearly?
>
>>violating them every chance, and openly professed that a new way is
>>here,
>>>a new covenant to replace the old.
>> ONLY because the Old Covenant
>> 1 was tem****ary (a "band-aid")
>> 2 hadn't worked.
>
>Certainly no argument there. That's why I'm Catholic and not
Protest_ant.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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Subject: Re: The Holy Spirit is a Person: Scriptural Proof
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> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>This is my third attempt at posting this. (If the earlier posts should
>appear, please excuse).
>
>"Carl" <saints@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> The following is a brief article from Mike Ediger showing Biblical
>> evidence that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person rather than an
impersonal
>> force as some cultists and anti-trinity folks espouse.
>>
>> May God bless,
>> Carl
>> my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
>> my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
>>
>> ---
>>
>> The Holy Spirit is a Person: Scriptural Proof
>> by Mike Ediger
>>
>> All cults and anti-trinitarians have one thing in common when it comes
to
>> the Holy Spirit. They all deny the Spirit is a Person, thereby also
>> denying that the Spirit is God. This is but one of the planks in their
>> doctrinal platform which denies the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity.
>>
>> In this brief study, we will show-with little comment-that the
Scriptures
>> teach the Holy Spirit is indeed a Person, and that He is God, thus
>> strengthening the Biblical evidence sup****ting the doctrine of the
>> Trinity.
>>
>> The Bible Ascribes to the Holy Spirit Characteristics of a Person
>>
>> Throughout the Bible, the Holy Spirit is described as having several
>> personal characteristics. While it is true Scripture sometimes
personifies
>> things (e.g., "Wisdom" in the Proverbs), this is not the case with the
>> Holy Spirit.
>>
>> The Spirit is not a thing-He is not a force or power like electricity,
as
>> some teach-neither is He merely the power of God, or God's mind, as
other
>> anti-trinitarians assert. Rather, the Biblical record clearly shows
the
>> Holy Spirit is a Person:
>>
>> 1. The Holy Spirit leads people:
>> Matt 4:1 (also Mark 1:12; Luke 4:11) - He led Jesus into the
wilderness.
>> John 16:13 - He will guide us "into all the truth."
>> Acts 8:39 - He "caught Phillip away."
>> Rom 8:14 - He leads the children of God (cf. Gal 5:18).
>
>Yes, God by means of finger, does indeed lead his people; this does not
mean
>that God's finger is a separate and distinct person of the only true
God. --
>Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20.
>
>> 2. The Holy Spirit speaks:
>> Mark 13:11 - "it is not you who speak, but the Holy spirit" (also Matt
>> 10:19,20).
>> Acts 4:25 - He spoke "by the mouth of David."
>> Acts 8:29 - He speaks to Phillip.
>> Acts 11:12 - He told Peter to go with Cornelius' men.
>> 1 John 4:2 - "Spirit of God" known by His confessing that "Christ has
come
>> in the flesh."
>> Rev 2:7,11,7,29; 3:6,13,22 - "... let him hear what the Spirit says to
the
>> churches."
>> Rev 22:17 - "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come!'"
>> See also: John 16:13-14; Acts 13:2; 1Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7; Rev 14:13;
22:17.
>
>Yes, God, my means of his mouth, does speak. This does not mean that his
>mouth is a separate and distinct person of God. -- 1 Kings 8:24; 2
>Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3;
58:14;
>62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark
12:36;
>Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21.
>
>> 3. The Holy Spirit testifies/ bears witness:
>> John 15:26; Acts 20:23; Rom 8:16; 1John 5:7,8.
>
>Yes, God, by means of his mouth - his spirit - does testify and bear
witness
>(Nehemiah 9:30; Zechariah 7:12; 1 Corinthians 2:12); this does not mean
that
>his mouth or his spirit is a separate and distinct person of God. -- 1
Kings
>8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23;
48:3;
>58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4;
Mark
>12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21.
No one has said that God's mouth or God's finger is "a separate God."
However, scripture speaks CLEARLY that Christ Jesus was God (God the
Son) in flesh. (Col 2) Scripture also teaches CLEARLY that the Holy
Spirit is God.
>
>> 4. The Holy Spirit teaches:
>> Exod 31:2-4; Neh 9:20; Luke 12:12; John 14:26; 1Cor 2:13.
>
>Yes, God, by means of his mouth, his spirit, does teach.
Yes, but God's Holy Spirit also teaches. Do not minimize God's Holy
Spirit. It is The Holy Spirit who indwells each believer, giving us
the power of the Supreme Being. If there were no Holy Spirit, there
would be no indweller!
(1 Corinthians
>2:10,12) This does not mean that God's mouth is a separate and distinct
>person of the only Most High. -- 1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4;
36:12,21;
>Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20;
>Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25;
Hebrews
>3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21.
>
>> 5. The Holy Spirit helps us in many ways:
>> John 14:16,17,26; 16:7 - He dwells with us, teaches us, and comes to
us.
>> Rom 8:26 - He "helps in our weaknesses" and "makes intercession for
us."
>> Titus 3:5 - He renews us.
>
>Yes, God, by means of holy spirit, does dwell with and help his people,
and
>likewise the Christian remains in God and Jesus by means of God's
spirit.
>(Ephesians 2:11; 1 John 3:24; 4:13) This does not mean that God's holy
>spirit is a separate and distinct person of Himself.
Nor does your doubting mean He is NOT~!
>
>> 6. The Holy Spirit sanctifies us:
>> Rom 15:16; 1Cor 6:11; 1Pet 1:2.
>
>Yes, one is sanctified and justified by means of God's holy spirit
through
>faith in Jesus. (Romans 15:16; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 6:11; Jude 1:1)
Nothing in
>this means that the holy power of God is a separate distinct person of
>Himself.
Nor does your doubting or disbelief cancel His reality!
Jesus told the apostles/disciples clearly, "When I leave, I will send
the Holy Spirit (the "Paraclete", My Equal in EVERY WAY!) HE will
TEACH you everything you need to know!" The Holy Spirit cannot teach
us "everything" if He doesn't have perfect knowledge. That perfect
knowledge means that He is Omniscient. (all -knowing)
john w
One is also said to be sanctified by means of "the blood of the
>covenant" (Hebrews 10:29); "through the word God and prayer" (1 Timothy
>4:5); by means of "truth" (John 17:19).
>
>> 7. The Holy Spirit has a mind and can reason:
>> Acts 15:28 - "it seemed good to us and the Holy Spirit.."
>
>This does not say that God's holy spirit has a mind separate from the
it
>owner.
You AGAIN try to REASON who God is!
That is heresy!
Of course, what God revealed is through his holy spirit.
>
>> Rom 8:27 - He has a mind.
>
>
>Romans 8:6
>to gar phroneema tees sarkos thanatos to de
>THE FOR MINDING OF THE FLESH DEATH, THE BUT
>3588 1063 5427 3588 4561 2288 3588 1161
>phroneema tou pneumatos zwee kai eireenee
>MINDING OF THE SPIRIT LIFE AND PEACE;
>5427 3588 4151 2222 2532 1515
>
>Romans 8:7
>dioti to phroneema tees sarkos echthra eis
>THROUGH WHICH THE MINDING OF THE FLESH ENMITY INTO
>1360 3588 5427 3588 4561 2189 1519
>theon tw gar nomw tou theou ouch
>GOD, TO THE FOR LAW OF THE GOD NOT
>2316 3588 1063 3551 3588 2316 3756
>hupotassetai oude gar dunatai
>IT IS BEING SUBJECTED, NOT BUT FOR IT IS ABLE;
>5293 3761 1063 1410
>
>Note the phrase "minding of the flesh"
>
>Romans 8:27
>ho de eraunwn tas kardias oiden ti to
>THE (ONE) BUT SEARCHING THE HEARTS HAS KNOWN WHAT THE
>3588 1161 2037_5 3588 2588 1492_5 5101 3588
>phroneema tou pneumatos hoti kata theon
>MINDING OF THE SPIRIT, THAT ACCORDING TO GOD
>5427 3588 4151 3754 2596 2316
>entugchanei huper hagiwn
>IS HAPPENING ON OVER HOLY (ONES).
>1793 5228 0039
>
>Most translations put a lot of interpretation in the above, and ususally
>offer a translation that would favor the idea that the holy spirit is a
>person. I have read many different explanations of what is being said.
>
>Paul had earlier spoken of being led by God's spirit, and he contrasts
such
>leading with minding (phroneema -- Romans 8:7) the flesh. (Romans 8:4-
14)
>Thus, in verse 27, in using the same terminology as in verses 6&7
regarding
>the flesh, but rather of the spirit -- "minding the spirit", it appears
that
>he is saying something of the Christian's minding the spirit as opposed
to
>minding the flesh. Most seem to disregard this, but I have difficulty is
>passing this away as not having some connection. If one understands the
>meaning of "ti" as "any", then what Paul is saying could be understood
like
>this: The one who judges hearts is probably referring to God, who knows
any
>minding the spirit with the result that what happens to these saints may
be
>according to God. At any rate, the Greek wording would seem to discount
the
>idea that Paul was saying that the holy spirit has a mind.
>
>> 1Cor 2:11 - He knows God's thoughts.
>
>For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the
man,
>which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's
>Spirit. -- 1 Corinthians 2:11.
>
>Unless one is to believe that "the spirit of the man" is a separate and
>distinct person within a man, there is nothing here that sup****ts the
idea
>that God's spirit is a separate and distinct person of Himself. Paul is
>saying in context that the Christian has received the spirit of God, by
>which one is enabled to to understand the deep things of God. "no one
knows
>the things of God, except God's Spirit. But we received, not the spirit
of
>the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the
things
>that were freely given to us by God." (1 Corinthians 2:12,12) It should
be
>evident that Paul is speaking of a Christian knowing the things of God
by
>means of God's spirit.
>
>I will have to close for now.
>
>God bless.
>
>Christian love,
>Ronald
>http://godandson.reslight.net
>http://reslight.net/forum
>
>
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Regarding the 'Hallelujah Diet'
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:29:52 -0700
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 09:45:30 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:12:26 -0700, "<~=(Hey,
>WhaddyaKnow;JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)=~>" <kaseybeck61@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>On Aug 31, 12:33 pm, NOs...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>> No, John, I am not pu****ng anything.
>>> I was merely trying to offer you some encouragement.
>>
>>Take this for what it's worth to you, Elaine:
>>
>>JW is quite lonely since no one is really responding to his posts
>>anymore - his narcissistic supply is in much need of refilling - and
>>he will try just about anything to get the attention he craves. He's
>>working very hard to get you "back", and is baiting you - just on a
>>slightly different level than he has before. My advice is don't fall
>>for it (to quote a line from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "run
>>away, run away! ;-)
>
>
>Oh, I'm being very selective in what posts of his I reply to, yes,
>Kelly.
> But I thought he was interested in taking up gardening, and tried to
>sup****t him in that area.
> However, he has apologized for the perceived slight, and for me, it's
>over and done with.
>
>As for running away, no -- I don't run away, but DO ignore when I feel
>it necessary. :o)
That's fine! I've read enough ugly remarks from you elsewhere this
week to know that I am going to have to ignore most of your posts as
well!
We're not "past" anything!
We're right back to "I'll be pleasant on those rare occasions when
you decide to be pleasant.
But when you are saying ugly things (and very untrue things) about me
to OTHER people, that's not exactly ignoring me, as others have also
pointed out.
For you to truly "ignore me", you'd have to drop me from all your
conversation! That simply isn't going to happen! I occupy MOST of
your conversation on here, which is unfortunate!
that is, you are right back to / or never left fooling only you.
You continue to not understand that God looks at the HEART.
Your heart is still exposed (by your continued UGLY remarks)
john w
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:18:05 -0700
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:47:08 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:53:34 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:27:42 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:13:16 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:51:05 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:33:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>That is, your political yammering is as off-kilter as your
>>>>>>religious/spiritual views.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right back atcha buckwheat.
>>
>> You also again prove you're a racist!
>>
>
>That is comical.
What is comical is you!
What is tragic that you'd call me a racist slur, and then protest
your love for other races!
john w
I have a son who is half Korean. An adopted
>grandson who is Mexican and two foster children we are in the courts
>attempting to adopt who happen to be Black. I am of German, Irish and
>Choctaw heritage - of what race am I racist against?
>
>Terrell
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I PROVE you're dead wrong (about most things), and the best you can
>>>>do is a one-liner!
>>>>
>>>
>>>You've never even proved your own ass was brown much less any of your
>>>religious or political vituperations.
>>
>> ooooooooooooooooh!
>>
>>>
>>>Terrell
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:18:55 -0700
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:56:22 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:13:31 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"SongBookz" <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:0i1cd357ip776iuricvgos8lfaepculs0q@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:33:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is, your political yammering is as off-kilter as your
>>>>>religious/spiritual views.
>>>>
>>>> Right back atcha buckwheat.
>>>>
>>>> Terrell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nazi = National Socialist Party = Liberal = government owned
>>>
>>>DUUUHHH
>>
>> Now, you wouldn't expect Terrell to ADMIT he's a
>> Socialist/Communist, would you?
>>
>> I haven't ever talked with a single Leftist Democrat YET who didn't
>> STRONGLY favor robbing the wealthy and "redistributing the wealth to
>> the poor." (of course, we have to TRUST the people who are supposed
>> to "redistribute" the wealth)
>>
>> Robbing/confiscating the wealth and redistributing it is PRECISELY
>> what Socialism / Communism are KNOWN for.
>>
>> And we all know that Communism (Leftist government /Democrat) is one
>> short step from Fascism.
>
>Government owned, a very short step.
>
"precisely!"
john w
>>
>> !!!
>>>
>>>Of course many are ignorant of English and history.
>>>
>>
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:21:50 -0700
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:42:36 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:52:19 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>Bull crap! Democracy and socialism have NOTHING in common except that
>>both are forms of government.
>
>Socialism is "owning all things in common" - which:
>
>A. is scriptural
>B. is dependent on democracy.
>
>The
snip
You continue to lie and distort like the demon you are!
This conversation is over!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:25:37 -0700
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:44:11 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 09:49:11 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Your ignorance is showing. You don't even know the meaning of words.
All
>>you know is hate, hate, hate, hate,
>>
>>Socialism = Nazi = Fascism = communism.
>
>You repeat that lie often enough and you might even get ignorant
>Republicans and Christo-fascists to believe it - but it will never be
>true.
>
>Socialism is Democracy in action.
You have obviously been brainwashed by your leftist (lying) teachers.
You don't know what the f* you are talking about!
As usual.
Like I said, stupid person, scrape your philosophy BS aside, and look
at REALITY, and the liberated (post Iron-Curtain) Czechs and Croats
and Russians and others from the former "USSR" have come to America
(to half-a-dozen churches I have attended and shrieked that the
SOCIALISM/Communism they just escaped from in Europe is alive and
THRIVING in the USA, where YOUR LEFT-WING BUDDIES in the Democratic
party drag America KICKING AND SCREAMING into Socialism/Communism >
Fascism.
And all your ignorant, self-deluded denials won't EVER change that
FACT!!
>
>Terrell
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:26:48 -0700
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:14:36 -0500, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:44:11 -0500, SongBookz <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>
>>Socialism is Democracy in action.
>
>You repeat that lie often enough and you might believe it.
>>
>>Terrell
>>
The saddest part is, he probably DOES believe it!
Hillary's brainwa****ng is at work, alive and well in the USA!!!
Like the other Leftist - Socialist / Communist LIE:
"You can tax the rich!"
sheer absurdity!
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Gonzales is gone but Bush is still there
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:59:30 -0700
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:26:23 -0500, "Terrell D Lewis"
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>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> What is comical is you!
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>You have way too high an opinion of yourself.
I've been told that a time or two by miscreants!
I'd say if I do, "we both do!"
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>Terrell
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: TRibute and Apologies To Mel Gibson: I Finally Was Able To
see...
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:39:48 -0700
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My tribute (kudos) to and Apologies To Mel Gibson: I Finally Was Able
To see... his film, "The Passion of The Christ."
A number of people in here and elsewhere had asked me if I planned on
seeing it.
I said something to the effect that I would not, until and unless
the op****tunity came for me to see it for free.
I was watching a movie the other night with my new young lady
friend, the film "300", something I'd wanted to see for some time now.
The commercials I'd heard and seen, and the reviews I'd seen were all
very positive, and since I hope and plan to produce some films myself
some day, I like to keep pretty "up" on what's being done.
Never have I seen such film-making with such artistry since I saw
"Sin City", which I found breath-taking.
I found 300 AMAZING, and I recommend it HIGHLY.
At any rate, I had refused to watch "The Passion..." for several
reasons I hesitated to state. I frankly, with my history,
couldn't/can't stand to see a lot of violence, and this movie was
violent!
On the other hand, the critics RAVED, so I decided that should the
op****tunity present itself for me to see the film without having to
get up and walk out halfway through and waste my money, I'd consider
watching it.
Well, my young lady and I had viewed something she owns ????, since
she belongs to a "DVD of the Month" club. When we finished watching
it, she asked if I'd like to see another. I said, "What do you have?"
She mentioned "300", and I jumped.
Once we'd watched 300, she mentioned "Passion", and I agreed to watch
it. I watched the end of it this evening, after being forced
(emotionally) to stop it several times.
My hat is off to Mel Gibson! I didn't see a single thing in the movie
I could quibble with.
It was violent, it was gut-wrenching, as I'd been warned, but he
FINALLY took the op****tunity to "tell it like he imagined it had been"
"FOR REAL."
I've always wondered what it would have been like to have been there
in Jesus' day, and to hear the whole thing play out in the ancient
Aramaic.
"WOW!" From a film-maker's point of view (which I hope to be in a year
or two), "dazzling."
Mel, "Well done!" and "Thank you!"
Highly recommended!
john w
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: A Word On Our Rights. . From Someone Who knows THem!
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:07:47 -0700
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A Word On Our Rights. . From Someone Who knows Them!
I decided while I was out tonight, picking up a few things at the
local grocery, to stop along the way with my digital camera and see
what sights I could photograph at / near midnight.
There's a construction project going on, and they put up a "tunnel"
over the sidewalk that goes down one side. I guess that "tunnel" makes
the sidewalk on that side a "hard hat" area. I noticed the other day
that there were a half-dozen primitive murals painted and bolted onto
the street side of the tunnel, and I had photographed those murals
several days ago. (thought I might convert a few to wallpaper for my
desktop). As I was walking past the tunnel this evening, I saw
graffiti painted on the inside of the tunnel, through several of the
"window" openings. Looked like somebody had looked through the
"window" openings and directed the placement of the graffiti so that
it would show through the windows "between " the murals in the
evening, but it doesn't show up (from the outside) during the day.
I decided to photograph the graffiti as it showed through the window
openings "between the murals."
Then as I was walking PAST the opening of the tunnel, I noticed a
painting INSIDE the tunnel. I walked over to photograph it (to
complete my set of "all the mural paintings"). That's when I saw
graffiti ON the painting! It broke my heart! The local bandidos don't
respect all the local art (and there's LOTS).
As I proceeded home (about 4 blocks), I began to notice the lights on
the various buildings (mostly apartment buildings), so I began to
photograph the buildings with available light by setting my camera to
ISO 800. I'd been taking pictures of this and that when a police car
pulled up, two cops jumped out, and I was detained. "What's going on?"
one asked. "Oh! You're talking to ME?" I couldn't imagine why!
(actually, seriously, I knew EXACTLY why)
"Yeah! I'm talking to you!" one said as his hand went to his hip.
"What are you doing?"
"I'm taking pictures."
"I can see that! What are you taking pictures of?"
"The lights and the buildings! I tried to do this 30 years ago when
I was working on my BA DEGREE in Photo Journalism! I couldn't do it
with a film camera! But I got interested in NIGHT PHOTOGRAPHY, and
now, with my digital camera, I'm trying it again!"
"Taking any pictures of people? You know, you can't do that!"
"I'm VERY aware of that, and -- NO!-- I'm not photographing any
people! If I HAPPEN to catch some person, I'll delete those photos!"
If anyone is wondering where this is going--- LEGALLY, when the cops
stop you to ask you 10 qusetions-- You have been arrested! So, I can
honestly say, I got arrested tonight!
Then, they can legally decide to hold you for questioning. (I was
"held for questioning." Meaning, I was NOT free to go!)
If I had tried to walk away, I could have been grabbed, handcuffed,
stuffed into a police car, and driven downtown to continue the
questions in "lock-up."
I've done that too. So I chose to cooperate! I smiled, I was
friendly, I was polite, I called no names. I didn't accuse. Every
qusetion they asked me (probably a dozen questions), I answered
directly and honestly. I finally offered to turn my camera to the
"edit mode", and one officer was curious enough to stand next to me
while I flipped through some 30 photographs.
When they decided I wasn't dangerous, they apologized for bothering
me. I said they hadn't bothered me, and I was very grateful that they
were keeping Seattle safe! They thanked me for my attitude, I shook
one cop's hand, and bid them a good evening!
Simple! You just have to know how to handle the police. And as a
journalist/photographer, I've probably been in this situation a dozen
times in 30 years!
You have rights, and you truly need to know them.
I was on a public sidewalk, technically, between the store and my
home, and I had every right to be there. I wasn't near a military
installation, and I wasn't photographing any people (illegal/ if they
aren't celebs, everybody has a right to privacy, and you can't
photograph any person's FACE without permission UP FRONT).
Once the police determined that I wasn't jeopardizing anyone, and
that I wasn't photographing anyone, and that I lived "around the
corner", and knew probably 20 people in the neighborhood, they
realized they were actually protecting ME.
This situation can get NASTY in a hurry. Or it can be easy.
Knowing your RIGHTS and your responsibilities makes it easy.
I got arrested and detained this evening. By being SMART, by being
NICE, by being cooperative, by not arguing or 'INSISTING ON MY
RIGHTS', I got to come home rather than spending the night in
"lock-up" while they checked my story.
"Know your rights."
john w
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Subject: Re: "the breath of life" and "The Holy Spirit"
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:26:24 -0700
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:14:14 -0400, Timothy Sutter <a202010@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Timothy Sutter wrote:
>> >this concerns "spirit"
>> >"the breath of life" and "The Holy Spirit"
>> >are not identical.
>> >while "the breath of life" was breathed
>> >into "Adam" by God and is therefore
>> >an animating "spirit" or 'breath' from God,
>> >"the breath of life" does not
>> >represent "The Mind of Christ"
>> >or personality structure of God.
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>john w [no-archive]
That is rude! ^ ^
>
>> It was then Adam and Eve
>
>you say that the holy spirit and
>the breath of life are identical,
I don't believe I said that. You are taking something I said out of
context! Disingenuous and dishonest!
I made a valid point, and now you seek by sleight of hand and
deception to obscure my point!
I said that when God breathed on Adam and Eve (as it says in the
text), they received the Holy Spirit, Who gave them life, the very
"breath of life." I said that when God breathed on Sarai and Abram,
He gave them the Holy Spirit, Who gave them "the very breath of life."
THAT is what I said, not that-- all by itself-- life's breath is
"The Holy Spirit."
>
>and yet, this means that dogs and cats
>have the holy spirit and that nicodemus
>had the holy spirit even while Jesus was
>telling him that he must be born from above.
No, my point does not suggest ^ ^ at all! I told an im****tant truth.
You choose by deception and dishonesty to obscure that point!
The Bible says God breathed on certain individuals! I see NO
passage-- not one-- in scripture that says that all animals come to
life by God breathing on them!
There is also not one word of scripture that indicates that -- before
Nicodemus met Jesus -- God breathed on him, either!
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>the gospels suggest this;
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>==
>John 7:38-40
>Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said,
>streams of living water will flow from within him."
>By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed
>in him were later to receive. Up to that time the
>
>Spirit had not been given, since
>Jesus had not yet been glorified.
A common misunderstanding of scripture. The Bible doesn't say that
"the Holy Spirit hadn't yet been given."
It says, at the time Jesus said that, "the Holy Spirit hadn't come
for that giving of the Spirit."
Why do you try to pin down the supernatural so precisely? What is it
that you gain?
You gain nothing!
>
>On hearing his words,
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