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On 24-Feb-2004, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Interesting expression, "grammar nazi." Why am I a Nazi for
> correcting your puke grammar?
>
> Why didn't bush do it anyway? LOL! Good start to being President.
> Lie to a dozen Arab allies.
>
> You aren't the brightest, are you?
>
> PLus, as dull as you are, you talk such FILT H in a Christian group!!!
>
> Didn't your mommie ever tell you "if you can't say something nice,
> shut up?""
For a 'grammar Nazi', your grammar really sucks!
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On 28 Feb 2004 22:09:29 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:35:41 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
><ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>John Hennekes wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:43:34 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE
IT@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Exactly WHY did the "passion" have to happen? Why? Was there no
>>> >other way? What was the reason for it? Was it demanded? Was it
>>> >required? If so, for what reason? WHY?
>>>
>>> Don, I have so many Bible dictionaries and commentaries, but I cannot
find one
>>> on the subject of scrounging. What can you tell me about that term,
and do you
>>> know whether or not that this was actually done to our LORD?
>>
>>
>>If you want to know about "scrounging" I'd recommend JohnW, he
scrounged
>>his last steak out of the trash so he said.
>
>How kind of you to remember and continue telling my bad experiences.
>Suppose you shut up about others' lives and tell us all about Jim
>Agar, or does Jim Agar have so LITTLE life he is reduced to talking
>about others?
>
>And please get over being in love with me. What would your wife say
>about this unholy obsession of yours?
>
>"Small minds discuss people."
Small minds also think they're always right!
>
>
>jw
>
>>ujibwa
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:44:18 GMT, TDP <tparsons10@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On 28 Feb 2004 22:09:29 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:35:41 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
>><ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John Hennekes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:43:34 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE
IT@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Exactly WHY did the "passion" have to happen? Why? Was there no
>>>> >other way? What was the reason for it? Was it demanded? Was it
>>>> >required? If so, for what reason? WHY?
>>>>
>>>> Don, I have so many Bible dictionaries and commentaries, but I
cannot find one
>>>> on the subject of scrounging. What can you tell me about that term,
and do you
>>>> know whether or not that this was actually done to our LORD?
>>>
>>>
>>>If you want to know about "scrounging" I'd recommend JohnW, he
scrounged
>>>his last steak out of the trash so he said.
>>
>>How kind of you to remember and continue telling my bad experiences.
>>Suppose you shut up about others' lives and tell us all about Jim
>>Agar, or does Jim Agar have so LITTLE life he is reduced to talking
>>about others?
>>
>>And please get over being in love with me. What would your wife say
>>about this unholy obsession of yours?
>>
>>"Small minds discuss people."
>
>Small minds also think they're always right!
You're talking about yourself again.
You cannot mean me. I admit I'm wrong about something in here once a
month or so. And YOU can't even find the right group!
Here YOU are a Roman Catholic, hung up in the Baptist group! So you
definitely aren't right about EVERYTHING.
jw
>>
>>
>>jw
>>
>>>ujibwa
>>
>>
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From: Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"jw
>
> x-no-archive:yes
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:35:41 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
> <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >John Hennekes wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:43:34 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE
IT@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Exactly WHY did the "passion" have to happen? Why? Was there no
> >> >other way? What was the reason for it? Was it demanded? Was it
> >> >required? If so, for what reason? WHY?
> >>
> >> Don, I have so many Bible dictionaries and commentaries, but I
cannot find one
> >> on the subject of scrounging. What can you tell me about that term,
and do you
> >> know whether or not that this was actually done to our LORD?
> >
> >
> >If you want to know about "scrounging" I'd recommend JohnW, he
scrounged
> >his last steak out of the trash so he said.
>
> How kind of you to remember and continue telling my bad experiences.
I thought it a cool experience. Back in 2002 on one of my bicycle trips
I spent the night in a cemetery after riding 105 miles. At about 75
miles I started looking for camp ground or a motel with no luck. We do
what we have to do!
> Suppose you shut up about others' lives and tell us all about Jim
> Agar, or does Jim Agar have so LITTLE life he is reduced to talking
> about others?
Well John D. Weatherly as I have no little Doug Weatherly's or even
Nancy Weatherly's nor any books pending to take up my time I really
don't have much to tell anyone would find interesting. Now had I ever
been any of the things you have been, or done the things you've done
things might be different?
> And please get over being in love with me. What would your wife say
> about this unholy obsession of yours?
Why don't you take it on yourself to let Fred know of our mutual ardor?
> "Small minds discuss people."
Whoever said that must have had a retarded offspring!
ujibwa
> jw
>
> >ujibwa
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Boast, brag.........self-aggrandize, puff-up, you name it.. the
individual posting the following crap sure fits the mold.
He claimed:
"Well, besides my genius IQ and my award winning photography skills
(BA
PHOTO-Journalism)... I'm perceptive."
WHO in God's name does that creep think he is, let alone who does he
think he is fooling? (other than himself?)
as well:
"Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...All "Christians", all
couched
in their own "Ya gotta be like me apostasies. I reject that. I
choose
to be like Christ, not like men."
Strange-- Jesus never engaged in kinky ***ual behaviors, never wrote
****ographic TRASH, never cursed people out, wished them evil,
poverty,
unemployment, homelessness, or illness; He also never lied, falsely
accused, or threatened.......yet the party posting that he 'chooses to
be
like Christ' has done ALL the afforementioned. something not quite
HONEST
in his statement.........
--
==================================================
~~~~~~~~~~~~JESUS is the ROCK!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
God doesn't call the qualified;
He qualifies the called!
==================================================On Sat, 28 Feb 2004
11:13:17 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Boast, brag.........self-aggrandize, puff-up, you name it.. the
>individual posting the following crap sure fits the mold.
>
>He claimed:
>"Well, besides my genius IQ and my award winning photography skills (BA
>PHOTO-Journalism)... I'm perceptive."
>
>WHO in God's name does that creep think he is, let alone who does he
>think he is fooling? (other than himself?)
>
>as well:
>"Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...All "Christians", all couched
>in their own "Ya gotta be like me apostasies. I reject that. I choose
>to be like Christ, not like men."
>
>Strange-- Jesus never engaged in kinky ***ual behaviors, never wrote
>****ographic TRASH, never cursed people out, wished them evil, poverty,
>unemployment, homelessness, or illness; He also never lied, falsely
>accused, or threatened.......yet the party posting that he 'chooses to
be
>like Christ' has done ALL the afforementioned. something not quite
HONEST
>in his statement.........
What business of yours is my posting history, busy person?'
Nobody's perfect, love of my life. Shall I list YOUR faults now?
Lying, breaking your oath, name calling, gossiping, lying, bragging,
denial, apostasy, lying, gossiping.Exaggerating, denying, lying,
bragging, gossiping.
That's a partial list. I can add more, w hile I'm digging out your
lying posts.
jw
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:13:17 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Boast, brag.........self-aggrandize, puff-up, you name it.. the
>individual posting the following crap sure fits the mold.
I continue to wait for the explanation for why my private life is any
of your business.
jw
>
>He claimed:
>"Well, besides my genius IQ
true
and my award winning photography skills (BA
>PHOTO-Journalism)...
true
I'm perceptive."
true
also knows as artistic.
>
>WHO in God's name does that creep think he is,
You know my name. That is all you are entitled to.
let alone who does he
>think he is fooling?
I'm not trying to fool anyone. Who are YOU trying to fool?
(other than himself?)
Nah! (I think after 55 years I know myself.
>
>as well:
>"Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...All "Christians", all couched
>in their own "Ya gotta be like me apostasies. I reject that. I choose
>to be like Christ, not like men."
>
>Strange-- Jesus never engaged in kinky ***ual behaviors, never wrote
>****ographic TRASH, never cursed people out, wished them evil, poverty,
>unemployment, homelessness, or illness; He also never lied, falsely
>accused, or threatened.......yet the party posting that he 'chooses to
be
>like Christ' has done ALL the afforementioned. something not quite
HONEST
>in his statement.........
Yet I who confess my sins and repent am closer to him than you, who
brag about how close YOU are.
I know my God. I suggest that you get to know yours.
jw
>
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:13:17 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Boast, brag.........self-aggrandize, puff-up, you name it.. the
>individual posting the following crap sure fits the mold.
BTW, your insane vitriole is being recorded for posterity.
jw
>
>He claimed:
>"Well, besides my genius IQ and my award winning photography skills (BA
>PHOTO-Journalism)... I'm perceptive."
>
>WHO in God's name does that creep think he is, let alone who does he
>think he is fooling? (other than himself?)
>
>as well:
>"Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...All "Christians", all couched
>in their own "Ya gotta be like me apostasies. I reject that. I choose
>to be like Christ, not like men."
>
>Strange-- Jesus never engaged in kinky ***ual behaviors, never wrote
>****ographic TRASH, never cursed people out, wished them evil, poverty,
>unemployment, homelessness, or illness; He also never lied, falsely
>accused, or threatened.......yet the party posting that he 'chooses to
be
>like Christ' has done ALL the afforementioned. something not quite
HONEST
>in his statement.........
>
>--
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>>He claimed:
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>>
>>WHO in God's name does that creep think he is, let alone who does he
>>think he is fooling? (other than himself?)
>
>Don't forget 40 years of successful evangelism.
And s**** raises its ugly, hissing head again.
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>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:13:17 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >Boast, brag.........self-aggrandize, puff-up, you name it.. the
>> >individual posting the following crap sure fits the mold.
>> >
>> >He claimed:
>> >"Well, besides my genius IQ and my award winning photography skills
(BA
>> >PHOTO-Journalism)... I'm perceptive."
>> >
>> >WHO in God's name does that creep think he is, let alone who does he
>> >think he is fooling? (other than himself?)
>>
>> Don't forget 40 years of successful evangelism.
>>
>Right you are- thanks!
>He also claimed to be a prophet as well. Some prophet...
>Some evangelist :o(
I did claim to be both, and you don't eve undertand what I was / am
talking about.
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:26:26 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
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>Iconoclast wrote:
>
>> Have you ever noticed that almost every church building is constructed
such
>> that the front of the "sanctuary" is East of the congregation. I
noticed
>> this a few years back and have noted that out of literally hundreds of
>> churches, I have yet to see one where this is not true.
>
>Yes, of course all churches face east. (I've heard about one that
>faces west, but I just can't remember which one....) That is also true
>for numerous cults of the pre-Christian era (sun wor****p, etc) and, as
>many other things, that tradition was continued in Christian
>architecture. And that's why Gothic Cathedrals have so splendid
>windows in the east: Looks great with the morning sun ****ning through
>them.
>
>The freemasons, having their origins in the cathedral builders of the
>Middle Ages, also picked up that tradition for their rituals. The
>master of the lodge symbolically represents the sun, so that's why he
>has his place in the east of the lodge room.
I think we're mixing apples and oranges here. It's one thing to build
a church so that the door faces east to take advantage of warm
sunlight. It's another thing to build your church so that the early
morning sun comes through the stain glass windows.
It's another thing ENTIRELY to, as part your ritual, to DELIBERATELY
bow down to the sun. And now that you have admitted knowing that, I
present you the 10 commandments.
When you bow to the East, you bow down to the sun, not to the Son.
There's a huge difference. Masonry, as De Molay,contains moments of
son wor****p.
Even though it's subtle. I do not believe today that Satan wears a
red leotard and red horns on his head. Satan is more subtle, his
minions are more subtle, and many aspects of his wor****p are more
subtle. As in, "if sun wor****p is this tame, how could Satan wor****p
or nature wor****p be all that big a deal."
"Well,we're sun wor****ppers in this home." (meaning ****ists)
"You shall wor****p the Lord your God! And Him ONLY shall you serve!"
" I don't wor****p any God! I believe in serving mankind!"
"You shall wor****p the Lord your God! And Him ONLY shall you serve!"
jw
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>>
>> Have you ever noticed that almost every church building is constructed
>such
>> that the front of the "sanctuary" is East of the congregation. I
noticed
>> this a few years back and have noted that out of literally hundreds of
>> churches, I have yet to see one where this is not true.
>>
>>
>
>Three churches in one block in town (Lutheran, Orthodox, & Catholic) all
>face northeast (the streets in the oldest part of town run at 45 degrees
to
>north-south). Across the street the Congregational church faces
southwest.
>In the next block the Methodist church faces south ( a quirk of
>architecture). Up the street some more a Baptist church faces
northwest.
>After the streets start running north-south/east-west, along another
street
>there is a Lutheran church facing south, a Methodist church facing
north, a
>Presbyterian church facing west, a Catholic church facing east and a
Central
>Christian church facing east. I know of two Brethren churches that face
>west and countless others in town that do not face east. Seems where I
live
>is out of sync with the rest of the world!
That's what I suspected. Churches tend to calculate where their
stained glass is going to be vs where the early morning sun will be,
or by where it will be during the majority of morning services, as in,
"From 9:30 - 1 PM, the sun will be HERE USUALLY. So we put the church
facing HERE, so the stained glass windows will go HERE." I have heard
that discussion several times.
jw
>
>Axel
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>> "Iconoclast" <icono@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> <snipped>
>>
>> >
>> > Have you ever noticed that almost every church building is
constructed
>> such
>> > that the front of the "sanctuary" is East of the congregation. I
>noticed
>> > this a few years back and have noted that out of literally hundreds
of
>> > churches, I have yet to see one where this is not true.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Three churches in one block in town (Lutheran, Orthodox, & Catholic)
all
>> face northeast (the streets in the oldest part of town run at 45
degrees
>to
>> north-south). Across the street the Congregational church faces
>southwest.
>> In the next block the Methodist church faces south ( a quirk of
>> architecture). Up the street some more a Baptist church faces
northwest.
>> After the streets start running north-south/east-west, along another
>street
>> there is a Lutheran church facing south, a Methodist church facing
north,
>a
>> Presbyterian church facing west, a Catholic church facing east and a
>Central
>> Christian church facing east. I know of two Brethren churches that
face
>> west and countless others in town that do not face east. Seems where
I
>live
>> is out of sync with the rest of the world!
>>
>> Axel
>
>Could be they/you are out of synch or whatever.
>
>I know of a Lutheran, Methodist, 2 Baptist, Nazarene that "FACE" other
than
>East. The sanctuary in all of them is due East.
>
>It is a little more than chance.
Not really. Axel named more exceptions than you have named on your
list. Considering a 25% chance for either of 4 directions.
jw
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>> > "Iconoclast" <icono@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > <snipped>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Have you ever noticed that almost every church building is
constructed
>> > such
>> > > that the front of the "sanctuary" is East of the congregation. I
>> noticed
>> > > this a few years back and have noted that out of literally
hundreds of
>> > > churches, I have yet to see one where this is not true.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Three churches in one block in town (Lutheran, Orthodox, & Catholic)
all
>> > face northeast (the streets in the oldest part of town run at 45
degrees
>> to
>> > north-south). Across the street the Congregational church faces
>> southwest.
>> > In the next block the Methodist church faces south ( a quirk of
>> > architecture). Up the street some more a Baptist church faces
>northwest.
>> > After the streets start running north-south/east-west, along another
>> street
>> > there is a Lutheran church facing south, a Methodist church facing
>north,
>> a
>> > Presbyterian church facing west, a Catholic church facing east and a
>> Central
>> > Christian church facing east. I know of two Brethren churches that
face
>> > west and countless others in town that do not face east. Seems
where I
>> live
>> > is out of sync with the rest of the world!
>> >
>> > Axel
>>
>> Could be they/you are out of synch or whatever.
>
>There's no doubt I'm out of sync - was supposed to have a cardioversion
done
>this week. As for the town being out of sync, well we could discuss
that
>for weeks!
>
>>
>> I know of a Lutheran, Methodist, 2 Baptist, Nazarene that "FACE" other
>than
>> East. The sanctuary in all of them is due East.
>
>Since the subject was sanctuaries facing east, I took it that you would
>understand that it was implied the sanctuaries were facing the direction
I
>indicated. I can retype the entire paragraph if you wish.
And I would not have been privy to at least two DISCUSSIONS of the
topic with two different elder / deacon boards (2 different churches)
, "which way does the church face", if it were not up for discussion.
There may even be (likely) those churches who follow some sort of
mystic tradition from their particular tradition of faith (Eastern
Orthodox of the Eastern Lithuanian Reformed of Yocht)
And then the OTHER guy chimes in, "I'm of the Gibraltar sect, and we
disagree."
"And how many are there of YOU?"
"There are 17 of us, and we want to be heard."
jw
>
>Axel
>
>>
>> It is a little more than chance.
>>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:38:14 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
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>Iconoclast wrote:
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>> I know of a Lutheran, Methodist, 2 Baptist, Nazarene that "FACE" other
than
>> East. The sanctuary in all of them is due East.
>
>Do Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and Nazarene Churches have sanctuaries?
I can only speak for Lutheran, Methodist, and Baptist. They all have
sanctuaries. I suspect the Nazarene do as well.
jw
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>DH
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> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:38:14 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
> <dhoehr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Iconoclast wrote:
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>>
>>>I know of a Lutheran, Methodist, 2 Baptist, Nazarene that "FACE" other
than
>>>East. The sanctuary in all of them is due East.
>>
>>Do Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and Nazarene Churches have sanctuaries?
>
>
> I can only speak for Lutheran, Methodist, and Baptist. They all have
> sanctuaries. I suspect the Nazarene do as well.
What exactly is Nazarene? Over here in Germany the predominant
Protestant denominations are Lutheran and Reformed. We also have
Bapist Churches and also Pentecostal Communities, which usually
consist of imigrants from Russia.
Daniel
--
"N&H and their bloody prepositions. I swear, and
I do swear, that R.A.P. will end up on my gravestone.
I want a grave miles from theirs so they'll stop bothering me."
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:44:00 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
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>jw
>> x-no-archive:yes
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:38:14 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
>> <dhoehr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>
>>>
>>>Iconoclast wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I know of a Lutheran, Methodist, 2 Baptist, Nazarene that "FACE"
other than
>>>>East. The sanctuary in all of them is due East.
>>>
>>>Do Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and Nazarene Churches have
sanctuaries?
>>
>>
>> I can only speak for Lutheran, Methodist, and Baptist. They all have
>> sanctuaries. I suspect the Nazarene do as well.
>
>What exactly is Nazarene?
I know they are born again. I know there are pentecostals among them,
although, thank God not all are.
I have now known 3 Nazarenes, and none would describe the unique
characteristics of their faith. I presently have a homo***ual buddy
who is a Nazarene atheist. Even he would not explain, other than to
say, "there are pentecostals, there are non-penteostals. I believe one
thing I recall from our conversation is that they tend to be KJV-Only.
Over here in Germany the predominant
>Protestant denominations are Lutheran and Reformed.
I had both Lutheran and Reformed profs in seminary. The Reformed tend
to be among the most rigid, but at least MOST of their dogma and
doctrine are right on. I know there are differences between Reformed
and non-denominational, but I could not recite them.
I know Lutherans believe in "the presence." Baptist and
non-denominational do not believe in "the presence."
We also have
>Bapist Churches and also Pentecostal Communities, which usually
>consist of imigrants from Russia.
To whisper in your ear, there is STRONG evidence that the pentecostals
are what I have labeled "pretenders" and NOT Christians at all. Ask
about it if you're curious.
However, concerning the "signs" they claim to manifest, Paul said the
following:
2 Cor 12:12 The things that mark an apostle--signs, wonders and
miracles--were done among you with great perseverance.
Only the apostles were given signs. When the Apostolic Age ended, so
did the signs.
Those who claim to work signs among you will normally be false
teachers and false prophets.
Jesus was harassed for signs. He said
MT 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to
him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
MT 12:39 He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for
a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the
prophet Jonah.
I've known far too many "pentecostals" who pretend to "speak in
tongues". Tongues have not been real since the 1st C.
jw
>
>Daniel
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On 28 Feb 2004 02:14:47 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
scrawled the following imbecilic invectives due to an inability to
make a intelligent response. No surprise there.
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:35:47 GMT, s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
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>>On 27 Feb 2004 21:22:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>attempted to impress himself, as if anyone appears to care.
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:03 GMT, s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>snip, including prior authors.
>>
>>>>>>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be
counted
>>
>>>>SNIP
>>
>>>>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like
that
>>>>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma
told
>>>>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you
haven't
>>>>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>>
>>>>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>>>>air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>>>>could have breathed that air!
>>
>>>>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>>>>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts
that
>>>>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose
in
>>>>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>>>>those.
>>
>>>You're talking to yourself again.
>>
>>Actually, I am observing the picture you paint of yourself.
>
>You're hallucinating again.
No, I don't emulate your forte. After all you hallucinate that you
have anything worth saying, when your posting history denies your lie.
>That you
>>don't like it is no concern of mine.
>>>>Jim appears to:
>>>>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>>>>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
>>>You continue to be a pig. I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
>>
>>Naw, I'll leave the so called bad habits of swine to you. Given a
>>choice, a pig is an extremely clean animal, & unlike you, it is
>>intelligent.
>How would you know intelligence when you don't demonstrate any,
>demoniac?
Well,if I were to compare the IQ of a mosquito fart in the midst of
the Alaskan tundra when it wafts over Mexico city & compare it to your
claimed IQ, I would realise you wouldn't get close.
BTW, my intelligences is so far above you that you can't understand
it.
That is based on your inability to back your claims with information
instead of invectives.
Example, your stellar response is the tone of silence to anything you
can't answer. Come to that, the only noise you make is that of a small
child with soiled diapers, a snotty nose & its first tooth coming in.
& that is being hard on the child who can't help itself. Supposedly
you are an adult, contrary to your posting history.
>
>jw
snip rest of jw'snormal trash talking.
walksalone who finds it a tad bizarre that a claimed trained
journalist, internationally acclaimed author in various fields,
seminary student/scholar, technical writer that literally rewrote a
30k page tech manual for the USAF, etc etc, can't provide anything but
invective to those that see through his BS.
Oh, & supposedly he is a grimorie authority, though he demonstrates
nothing to back that claim according to google.
elapsed time, 1min, 07 sec.
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> In article <h90t30ll13r90lamqinmt54k6d2bp4f...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > x-no-archive:yes
> > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:51:54 +1100, pintaguinn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
> > >
> > >Or do you ALL have KKK sympathies
> >
> >
> > Again, the pathological demoniac Ozzie/Phar Lap lies like the demon
he
> > is. I NOWHERE EVER EVER said I approve of the KKK or am sympathetic
> > to ANYTHING they're doing.
> >
>
> THAT IS A LIE
JohnW is much like lidy Elaine, known for missing the mark.
> You indeed wrote a post telling us what wonderful things they did for
your
> mummy, dear!
>
> Once a sympathiser
>
> Almost always deep down a sympathiser
I agree
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> As far as the dignity and respect goes....you first!
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> I have shown respect for all.
How is it "showing respect" to pretend to belong to a path, for the sole
purpose of giving yourself credibility and social status? You've claimed
to
be clergy, with nothing but false labels and instant online ordinations
to
back it up, you've claimed to be a pagan elder, a Wiccan HPS, a lineaged
trad - all disproved - and now you claim to be Christian simply to attack
those whose Christianity isn't based on silly newage nonsense. I have yet
to
see you use either scriptures *or* the works of liberal theologians to
sup****t any of your so-called theological arguments.
How is it showing respect to constantly criticise a belief system without
even having the decency to investigate its tenets and its texts
beforehand?
You show absolutely *no* respect for anyone, "brenda". And before you
trot
out your old excuse about it being "Raven's way" to be disrespectful, let
me
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your
pur****ted Christianity?
Jani
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>" <john_w<no> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:51:08 -0500, walksalone <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
> group)
> >On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:55:50 GMT, Ed King wrote:
> >
> >> In article
<pintaguinness-1208041110520...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >> Silver Blaze wrote:
> >>> In article <iudhh0hmc4lr5hh9l8u0jlf62nei6k3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, j w
> >>> <johnweatherly<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>
<snip>
> Also, by the way, if you had bothered to actually investigate, you'd
> have found the truth about the MANY errors you have made.
>
> For one, if you had been honest in your research, the paragraph under
> which I was discharged was the "Unsuitable..." I won't give y0uo the
> #; you aren't worthy. However, the "Unsuitable had been a BCD. My
> commander didn't believe a BCD was warranted, so he petitioned the
> pentagon and I was given the first "Unsuitable... under honorable
> conditions..."
>
You are bearing false witness yet again, Mr John Weatherly.
Lie the First: Your commander, the man who commanded your Field
Maintenance Squadron in the United Kingdom, was assuredly not a general
officer nor the Convening Authority for any Courts Martial, Special or
General. Therefore, your commander had no say in the sentence of any
Courts Martial. He could conceivably have investigated the matters and
preferred the charges to the Convening Authority, but that is all. By
the way, all Courts Martial proceedings not involving classified
information are matters of public record, and the summary of findings
and punishments are always matters of public record, and are do***ented
and accessible by any member of the public just like any other
conviction for any other federal crime. Unless your unit commander was
the Convening Authority for your Special Courts Martial, and he was not,
your commander had no say at all in the sentence of the Court. The
sentence of a Special Courts Martial is always reviewed by the Convening
Authority, and that General has the right to overturn the findings,
remit any or all of the sentence, suspend any or all of the sentence,
but cannot increase the sentence of the Courts Martial.
Lie the Second: Mr Weatherly was never tried by a Special or General
Courts Martial, thus was never subject to a Bad Conduct discharge for
"unsuitability" because Bad Conduct discharges were and are only the
result of a sentence by a Special Court for specific violations of the
Punitive Articles 77 through 134 of the Uniform Code of Military
Justice, and never for broad administrative categories such as
"unsuitability." There were two categories of discharge when you were on
active duty, Mr Weatherly. Recall what those were? Come on, there were
only five discharges, three Admnistrative discharges and two Punitive
discharges. Bad Conduct discharges were punitive thus could only be
imposed by sentence of a Special or General Courts Martial. And that
was true from 1951 through 1990, and may well be true today. So unless
you were first tried and convicted by a Special Courts Martial, you were
never subject to a Bad Conduct Discharge.
Lie the Third: Your unit commander had not "petitioned the pentagon"
for any such thing. In the Air Force of the late 1960s and early 1970s,
the Combat Sup****t Group or Wing Commander had the final say on
administrative discharges, and if the discharge was appealed only then
would the appeal move up the chain of command. But all appeals must have
been instigated by the dischargee, that is, you, Mr Weatherly, and not
your unit commander.
Why aren't you smart enough to figure out that your lies are transparent
and readily revealed for what they are? By the way, you were discharged
under the purview of Air Force Regulation 39-12, and there is a specific
code on your DD Form 214 indicating the precise reason.
> Honorable.
Airmen discharged for "unsuitability" which actually read more like
"inability to adapt to military life" or "misconduct" were awarded a
General discharge. You were not the first to be awarded a General
discharge IAW AFR 39-12. That is your fourth lie in a single
paragraph..
>
<snip>
> You make ugly remarks, and you belch, and you sill your rotgut wine,
> and you pass gass and you reach for more popcorn, and you don't think
> we know who you are?
>
But you habitually lie and bear false witness, Mr John Weatherly. And
you just got caught again, and are exposed for what you are. Yet again.
>
> jw
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Subject: Re: Why the Increase in Occultism?
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"Ed King" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> In article <4121f07...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "Ed King" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:VA.00001133.2a038f6d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > wrote:
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
> > >
> > > Bet we'll get it archived now!
> > >
> >
> > You know the great thing about Steve's
>
> I think you meant to write "John Weatherly"....
>
> > use of " x-no-archive: yes", is
> > that my ISP's news server does not show any of his messages !
>
> Really? Your ISP must pick up some odd formatting. He's got in the
wrong
> place!
>
> > I am sure that there are many other people who are also as fortunate
and do
> > not see any of his posts.
>
> I'd be surprised if that was the case - but then again, they may be
dropping
> him because he's on a 'abuser' list.
>
> > What a pleasure, a Troll who Plonks himself !
>
> <Off-color response redacted>
>
> But I really do wonder when Mr. Weatherly will be providing some proof
that
> he was required to bow to the East while he was a member of DeMolay.
He
> really does seem to be awfully quiet on that score - which, obviously,
means
> that he's embarrassed he's been caught in yet another lie.
>
About the same time he provides proof that Paul founded physical church
buildings in Turkey that used Arabic numerals and "A.D." on their
cornerstones . . . about the time he realizes he is not a "Vietnam
veteran" because he was a jet mechanic in England during the Vietnam war
.. . . about the time he provide proof for his "6th century Baptist
church just ouside the gate of RAF Lakenheath or RAF Alconbury" . . .
about the time he provides proof that he was a draft resistor who went
to prison rather than serve in Vietnam . . . and the list goes on and
on, but those are a few of his many lies. John Weatherly embarrassed at
being caught in a lie? No chance . . . .
> Since his whole 'religion' (whatever that may be) is based on this
> 'revelation' he had as a teenager, it's kind of interesting to note
that it
> never happened to him since no such thing ever occurs in DeMolay.
>
> Sad: he picks a religion based on a false premise....
>
> Fraternally,
> Ed King
>
> http://www.masonicinfo.com
-- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
>
> Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved.
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Subject: Re: THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS
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> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:41:55 +1000, "Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)"
> <nospaam_ajwerner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>Care to explain your position on the matter then?
>
> They haven't got anything to be neutral about.
>
> They are however correctly and trivially, implicitly described by a
> whole slew of a-words that show the absence of they prefixed property.
>
> They are TRIVIALLY apolitical, TRIVIALLY amoral, TRIVIALLY atheist,
> etc because they are not political, moral, theist etc.
Upon examining those 'a' words in the dictionary it seems you might be
right.
They appear to mean being ignorant on a matter rather than anti or
against.
However in the case of atheists, they're not always neutral on theism so
I
could be at least partly right.
>
>>>>An Atheist is usually one who actively denies the existence of God
and
>>>>refuses to believe.
>
> What makes you imagine you're qualified to lecture atheists what
> atheism means? Are you a mind-reader? I thought mot.
Do I come across as a lecturer? Pardon me. I thought this was an open
public
forum. I thought that's what newsgroups were.
>
> If you had asked us what it means we would have told you it is simply
> not being theist. Instead you told us and got it wrong.
How many posters have you actually seen come here just to ask for the
meaning of words?
>
>>> Which just demonstrates both Andrew's terminal ignorance and his
>>> arrogant rudeness.
>>
>>Do you have a counter argument or are you just going to sit there
throwing
>>insults?
>
> Fact, not insult. You are ignorant and rude.
Are you sure?
Maybe I was just expressing my take on the matter like everyone else.
Is this a private discussion group?
> Do you have another word
> for coming to a group of people you don't understand, and
> misrepresenting them?
How do you know what I do and don't understand?
Are you psychic?
>
>>>>I've never heard a baby deny the existence of God yet.
>>>
>>> Good thing that's just your stupid strawman then, isn't it?
>>
>>How would I know? You haven't given your side of the argument yet.
>>Do you have one?
>
> What "argument"? You're just another in-your-face idiot who doesn't
> know what an a theist is, and comes to atheists to demonstrate his
> ignorance.
>
>>>>Just my 2 cents worth.
>>>
>>> Not even worth that.
>>
>>Your opinion is below measurable value so far.
>
> Beam, mote, eye, hypocrite.
--
Andrew W.
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you..."
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> Like I said, get an education: look up what the a- prefix means. It
> doesn't mean what you pretend. "Anti-" means against. "A-" means not,
> in the sense of without, or the absence of.
Apparently I stand corrected on the prefix, but the word doesn't appear
to
have a fixed meaning because if you look up atheist in most dictionaries
you
will find that it says something like "One who disbelieves or denies the
existence of God or gods." while others suggest that it's a total
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or absence of knowledge on the subject, therefore I wasn't entirely
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Subject: Re: God doesn't exist - proof
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> If their is no good God, what does that say about mankind?
>
It says that mankind is actually good and not sinful like the dark god
says
we are.
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> do you live on some other planet?
It's possible I may have come from another planet.
> do you just ignore history?
History is edited and controlled by the powerful and the influential.
Those who control history, also control the present and the future. Think
about it.
> stay away from the news? even world news?
Go see the movie Outfoxed. It's about media slanting and propaganda.
> live in your own little world?
We *all* live in our own little world. Don't know if it's true or not but
it
is said that we're all a world/universe unto ourselves. We are all just
different aspects of the one infinite consciousness. Anything is
possible.
In this diverse universe no possibility can be discarded.
> just wondering?
> must be nice to have never
> lied
> stolen (taken anything that did not belong to you,asked first?)
> had a bad thought
> coveted anything
> you must be the only one in all of history!
> amazing!
We're only human. We are what we are. If the Christian god can't handle
that
then he's the one with the problem.
--
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Subject: Re: God doesn't exist - proof
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>>> do you live on some other planet?
>>
>> It's possible I may have come from another planet.
>
> you do not know? if you do not know from where your existance came from
> how many other things do you have no idea about?
No human who is born into this world can retain all the memories of their
past spiritual existence. That's one of the rules for coming into this
realm.
>
>>
>>> do you just ignore history?
>>
>> History is edited and controlled by the powerful and the influential.
>> Those who control history, also control the present and the future.
Think
>> about it.
>>
>
> do not play the fool, it will not hang
It seems that you consider that anyone who deviates outside the set
parameters of doctrine and thought is a fool. Fascinating.
Don't you know that the censoring and metering of information is a good
way
to control someone?
Do you not believe that there's even the slightest possibility that
Christianity through the bible might be doing this?
Have you not noticed that the bible is rather vague and ambiguous in most
places?
>
>
>>> stay away from the news? even world news?
>>
>> Go see the movie Outfoxed. It's about media slanting and propaganda.
>
> Know all about it, personal expiriance with the media, and it did not
come
> from a movie, funny the things of man you will belive in , a movie, and
> you talk about the media twisting things,
Movies can often provide interesting insights and ideas about this world.
> try an honest searching youself! not the superficial one you have.
I have, and what I found is that there's something fishy is going on in
this
world.
>>
>>> live in your own little world?
>>
>> We *all* live in our own little world. Don't know if it's true or not
but
>> it is said that we're all a world/universe unto ourselves. We are all
>> just different aspects of the one infinite consciousness. Anything is
>> possible. In this diverse universe no possibility can be discarded.
>>
> if you do not know if it is true or not, again , how much honest in
depth
> searching have you really done?
In this world there is virtually nothing we can know for sure.
> "anything is posible" and yet you deny what others belive in which is
> based on fact! facts that you have no desire to truly search out yet
you
> blatently deny them.
Facts? Are you absolutely sure they are facts?
As far as "anything is possible" is concerned, sure it's possible that
there's a single ruler god who conjured everything up like a stage
magician,
but I can also see the immoralities of this god. What I don't quite
understand is why Christians are so blind to these blatant immoralities.
>> We're only human. We are what we are. If the Christian god can't
handle
>> that then he's the one with the problem.
>>
>
> sounds more like it is you who can not handle it, if you do not know
God
> then you are just saying things from which you know nothing about.
> it figures you would not answer truthfully,
Answer truthfully? What exactly is truth? How does one gauge what is true
and what isn't? Is truth only in a book? One book? The one that was
written
by the Jews who also happen to be good at selling people things?
> my faith in how you would not answer anything seriously has been
proved.
You should never take life too seriously. I actually was more serious
than
not but it seems that your mind is not very open or flexible to different
ideas and possibilities.
> and what are we? sinners,
Ah. That's a Christian claim, and it's not very conclusive based on the
lack
of information we've been given in this world.
> bet you have never looked into what the word sin came from and what it
> means, but that would take honest, truthfull searching
The word sin is only known and used by Christians, Muslims and maybe a
few
others.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it means to offend one's creator. That would
be
as likely as some ants in an ant farm offending a human.
The Christian god allegedly has no ego, so by rights there should be
nothing
to offend.
>>
>> "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
>> you..."
>
> and you have shown what is from within you? nothing honest, why?
Something tells me you wouldn't recognise honesty if you saw it.
A mind that's drugged up on ancient tradition and doctrine has trouble
seeing anything clearly.
> what is it you are scared of?
The world never waking up to the sick cosmic joke that's being played on
it.
> Richard Jackson
>
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
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Subject: Re: God doesn't exist - proof
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:35:12 +1000
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>>>
>>>
>>>>> do you live on some other planet?
>>>>
>>>> It's possible I may have come from another planet.
>>>
>>> you do not know? if you do not know from where your existance came
from
>>> how many other things do you have no idea about?
>>
>> No human who is born into this world can retain all the memories of
their
>> past spiritual existence. That's one of the rules for coming into this
>> realm.
>>
>
> so you belive in reincarnation, no such thing acording to gods word,
who
> have you been following as your God, at least we have touched on
something
> you seem to belive in, very Good , you are accually opening up and
talking
> from your heart!
Actually I don't follow any god. To me a god is a ruler with big
shoulders
who tells people what to do. Basically a big headed egotist. I don't go
in
for that sort of thing.
I believe we are sovereign beings who have come here to experience
physicality and to test ourselves to see how easily we give away our
power
to others and let them control us.
>>
>> It seems that you consider that anyone who deviates outside the set
>> parameters of doctrine and thought is a fool. Fascinating.
>> Don't you know that the censoring and metering of information is a
good
>> way to control someone?
>> Do you not believe that there's even the slightest possibility that
>> Christianity through the bible might be doing this?
>> Have you not noticed that the bible is rather vague and ambiguous in
most
>> places?
>>
> you were talking about history , can you be more specifict when you
are
> talking on a particul subject so that all can stay on the subject at
hand,
> jumping to a braod subject just tells others that you have no honest
idea
> what you are trying to talk about, if you are taking about history in
> gaeneral say so, if you are talking about history related to the bible
,
> say so, being vayge about what you are trying to say just reinforces
your
> ignorance about the subject.
Ok. But it's difficult to be specific about things when there is no way
to
verify what's true and what's not, so if one gets specific about
something
one can end up painting oneself into a corner.
> and the bible is very clear to those that truly study what it says, it
is
> only vague to those who are not interested in searching out the truth
of
> what it is saying.
You keep assuming and asserting that the bible has truth in it. What
makes
you so certain?
I also can't understand how people can see clarity and meaning in the
bible
when it just goes on about another race from another era and half the
time
it doesn't properly explain what it's talking about.
>>
>>> try an honest searching youself! not the superficial one you have.
>>
>> I have, and what I found is that there's something fishy is going on
in
>> this world.
>>
>
>
> cannot argue with you their, with honest ,truthfull searching you
might
> at some time find the truth, it is hard work, and dilligance will pay
off
> in the end.
By searching for information, one will only ever find other people's
thoughts and opinions about things which they have written down. That's
about all we have in this world, other people's thoughts and opinions.
>>>>
>>> if you do not know if it is true or not, again , how much honest in
>>> depth searching have you really done?
>>
>> In this world there is virtually nothing we can know for sure.
>
>
>
> I agree in part, and yet their are many things that can be known for
sure.
Like what? The sun is hot? The earth is round? Maybe a few others but not
many.
> it would be sad though if we do no know for sure what we ourselves
would
> do in a given cir***stance.
That's one of the reasons we're in this world. To find out what we'll do
in
any given cir***stance.
>
>
>
>>
>>> "anything is posible" and yet you deny what others belive in which is
>>> based on fact! facts that you have no desire to truly search out yet
you
>>> blatently deny them.
>>
>> Facts? Are you absolutely sure they are facts?
>
>
> for me absolutly, for you, that only you can say.
All we have in this world are other people's do***ented facts, and as you
know, people often get things wrong.
Christians seem to get all their facts from the self-witnessing bible and
a
few Christian writers and pastors, plus some archaeologists who are
mostly
also Christians who draw biased conclusions to bolster their own beliefs
before spreading it to others.
>>
>> As far as "anything is possible" is concerned, sure it's possible that
>> there's a single ruler god who conjured everything up like a stage
>> magician, but I can also see the immoralities of this god. What I
don't
>> quite understand is why Christians are so blind to these blatant
>> immoralities.
>
> a stage magiciam does not acually conjure up anything, he mearly
> misdirects the eye, if you would truly study the art it would be made
> clear,
The process is not im****tant, just the result and speed of conjuring (6
days).
Also, everything is just energy in various forms and densities. A creator
merely re-densifies existing energy into different configurations. He's
really quite similar to a magician.
A true creator would be more like a horticulturist, cultivating life and
letting it grow naturally and in it's own time. The Christian god appears
to
be a very un-natural god, not to mention grandstanding, attention-seeking
and demanding.
> I would be very interested in going through these so called
imorallities
> of yousr to see where you are comming from, after studying Gods word
> through differant approches thier is nothing conradictory or
> misinterpeted, all is becoming clearer every day, try putting aside
what
> others have told you, and without malice study where others are coming
> from and see what lines up.
>
An immoral god. (I typed this up this morning and no, no one told me
these
things. I figured them out myself. They are my own words)
- Commanding humans to love him with all their hearts, minds etc. Love
cannot be commanded because true love can only be given naturally and
voluntarily from one's heart. Children for example never have to be told
to
love their parents. They do it naturally. Obviously the bible god either
knows he's unlovable or he isn't entirely confident that he'll get our
love
so he makes it a command just in case. Obviously he also doesn't care
whether he gets true love or fake love because all he wants is to have
his
ego constantly satisfied.
- Giving the death penalty just because humans "miss the mark". If that
penalty was for mass murder then it wouldn't be so bad but even then
there
should be some sort of divine reform or education program but there
isn't.
Clearly evil.
- Saving up vengeance during a persons lifetime and then delivering the
punishment (torture actually) in one king-hit without having kept the
person
informed about how many bad points they've ac***ulated so far. If the
person
doesn't know how many bad points there are against them then they're not
motivated to change and improve themselves. Clearly the Christian god is
not
interested in helping humans develop and improve themselves but only in
carrying out his domination, wrath and vengeance plans.
- The blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Christian god didn't give a
damn
who offended him because he accepted the human blood sacrifice of someone
who wasn't even guilty of anything (his own son/himself) as payment or
ransom (remember that a ransom is associated with terrorists and
kidnappers). Clearly all he wanted was someone's blood and death (an
innocent), just like the ancient false Inca and Aztec gods etc. The
Christian god was obviously adopted and modelled on those old evil gods
and
was merely updated, fleshed out and beautified a little to make him/it
more
easily accepted by the common rabble.
If the Christian god was really good then he would have instead called
for
the death of the guilty only. The sacrificing of innocents for the pagan
type gods is a tremendous waste of life and an obvious deception. It just
leaves more evil people in the world which clearly shows that those gods
were evil because they wanted to increase the numbers of their kind. The
Christian god's acceptance of these types of blood sacrifices (human and
animal) plainly shows that he's a remnant of them also.
As for bible contradictions, have a look at these.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-
contradictions.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtm
l
http://www.krysstal.com/contradi.html
http://www.truthbeknown.com/biblecontradictions.htm
>>
>>> and what are we? sinners,
>>
>> Ah. That's a Christian claim, and it's not very conclusive based on
the
>> lack of information we've been given in this world.
>
>
> what more information do you need, man kills man, steals, lies, rapes,
and
> the list goes on, all just for pleasure not for survival.
Men are uncompassionate, not sinners. Lack of compassion towards the pain
of
others is mostly responsible for the above and the really bad offenders
are
in a minority. It's the media focus on all the negative events (for
ratings)
that exaggerates their numbers. More education is needed to teach about
being compassionate towards others and Christianity doesn't focus enough
on
this im****tant point. Remember that Christians also needlessly killed
thousands if not millions during the inquisitions and crusades and also
the
bible in many places condones rape, slavery and slaughter etc.
>>
>> The word sin is only known and used by Christians, Muslims and maybe a
>> few others.
>> Correct me if I'm wrong but it means to offend one's creator. That
would
>> be as likely as some ants in an ant farm offending a human.
>> The Christian god allegedly has no ego, so by rights there should be
>> nothing to offend.
>>
>
>
> okay, so you do not want to look into it yourself, no really searious
> about finding truths are you, (did not mean that to be derogative),
Sin is a simple concept. What is there to look into?
> the word sin came from the ancent days of archary, it means to "Miss
the
> mark"
> but thats most of mankind, not interested in really searching out
truths,
> guessing is fine with most, does not say much about them does it.
If sin means to "Miss the mark" then why does missing the mark carry a
death
sentence?
It makes no sense. Humans learn most by missing the mark and making
mistakes.
Do you condemn a child to death every time he/she misses a mark, or do
you
show him/her how to do it better instead so they learn something?
The Christian god is obviously not interested in us learning anything. He
just likes to dominate and punish us like a common demon.
>
>
>>>>
>>>> "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will
save
>>>> you..."
>>>
>>> and you have shown what is from within you? nothing honest, why?
>>
>> Something tells me you wouldn't recognise honesty if you saw it.
>> A mind that's drugged up on ancient tradition and doctrine has trouble
>> seeing anything clearly.
>>
>
> ancent tradition and doctrines have to do with mans religion , not Gods
> word or promises,
Well guess what. Man's religion is what's responsible for bringing us the
bible.
> if you had studied the bible that would have been most
> evident, even Jesus condemened the religious traditions of man, and
that
> was spoken of quite plainly in the 4 gospells.
The gospels contain a lot of self justifying propaganda. The thousands of
individuals who re-wrote and edited the scriptures over the centuries had
plenty of time to make it look convincing, pleasing and godly. There have
been some very creative minds in the world in the past. They weren't all
dim
and illiterate back then.
> so how come you missed it? did not acually study it?
>
>
>
>>> what is it you are scared of?
>>
>> The world never waking up to the sick cosmic joke that's being played
on
>> it.
>
> if its a joke as you think, then thiers not much to be afraid of ,
It's more a trick to rob people of their inner power and freedom of
choice
than a joke.
> as said
> above by you i think "We're only human. We are what we are"
> but if it is not a joke, what will be the concequeses for those that
live
> in unbelife?
If you have to believe in something unseen in order to avoid fatal
consequences then it's clearly a fear tactic to get you to give away your
power and choice and become a slave to a power mogul. Fear is a tactic
used
by evil to gain easy compliance and passivity, and we all know how the
Lord
loves those who are passive.
>
>> --
>> Andrew W.
>>
>> "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
>> you..."
>
> and how will the hatred in you ,save you
> but jesus in you will, for eternity
I bear no hatred towards anyone. The Christian god hates far more than I
ever will or could.
--
Andrew W.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save
you..."
~ Jesus. The Gospel of Thomas.
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Subject: Re: Jesus as God
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:32:45 +1000
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> The following is a bible study that I put together showing that Jesus
> was God in the Flesh. Recently, I've even noticed a new angle on one
> of the verses. When God, in Gen 1:26, says "let us make man in our
> image.." It has an even deeper meaning than that God was plural. Adam
> wasn't like God in all ways. So, how was man in God's image. It was
> because one of the Godhead is a man..Jesus Christ.
>
> A. Old Testament Scriptures
> 1. "As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One
> of Israel." Isaiah 47:4
> 2. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."
> Gen 1:26
> 3. "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy
> kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest
> wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of
> gladness above thy fellows." Psalms 45:6-7
> 4. "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I
> make thine enemies thy footstool." Psalms 110:1
> 5. "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide
> in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things
> that shall come upon them make haste. For the LORD shall judge his
> people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their
> power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left." Deuteronomy
> 32:35-36
> 6. "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin
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