>>>>>>>>more likely it was that s/he both sup****ted the war and depended
>>>>>>>>on commercial television for news about it. " \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>An empire implodes
>>>>>>>>
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Fasciani/011004fasciani.htm
l
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / Consider this: the benefit to Sam 'Wal-Mart' Walton's five
adult
>>>>>>>>children is far more than the combined tax relief to their 1.3
>>>>>>>>million employees. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bush Booed at Martin Luther King Gravesite
>>>>>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0116-06.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / "Every policy decision of the Bush Administration including
>>>>>>>>the war in Iraq (news - web sites), healthcare, jobs, the
economy,
>>>>>>>>judicial nominations, housing, the environment, as well as
secondary
>>>>>>>>and higher education, has done nothing to strengthen Dr. King's
>>>>>>>>dream," ***mings said. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A Johnny Splat
>>>>>>>>http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=69
&topic=palestineisrael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / The Likud party has discrimination laws that
>>>>>>>>only apply to "jews", and persecutes innocent people
>>>>>>>>like Christ is, with criminal INTENT routinely. You
>>>>>>>>know Christ?, King of the Jews? \ \
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bush Deceit on Iraq Exposed
>>>>>>>>http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse13.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / He quotes Rice as saying in June 2002, about pursuing U.N.
>>>>>>>>cooperation on the Iraq invasion: ''Save your breath. The
>>>>>>>>president has already decided what he's going to do on this.'' \
\
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A War in Search of a Reason
>>>>>>>>http://www.independent.org/tii/news/040114Eland.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iraq reconstruction's bottom-line
>>>>>>>>> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EL25Ak05.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> / / Why then have the required components not been delivered?
Jasim
>>>>>>>>> replied dismissively, as though the answer was self-evident:
"Because
>>>>>>>>> no other company has been allowed by the US government,
>>>>>>>>> only Bechtel." \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PRESIDENT BUSH: ``SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE'' IF YOUR SONS AND
>>>>>>>>DAUGHTERS ARE NOW DEAD BECAUSE I LIED
>>>>>>>>http://moderateindependent.com/v1i18bush.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Democrats, Shocked And Awed As Gingrich Calls Bush's Role In War
An
>>>>>>>>"Unrelenting Defeat", Hire Him As New Spokesman
>>>>>>>>http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i3news1.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The US Army May be at a Breaking Point.
>>>>>>>>http://www.opednews.com/opedinfo0104_army_at_breaking_point.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where's the Outrage?
>>>>>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0112-02.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Blunkett plans jail without trial
>>>>>>>>http://www.news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=34572004
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WMD threat exaggerated: re****t
>>>>>>>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/09/1073437472186.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / "In that process they changed something that is an opinion
>>>>>>>>into a fact, and they consistently did this," he said at
>>>>>>>>a briefing on the re****t. \ \
>>>>>>>>snpd
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That Was Then - This Is Now
>>>>>>>>http://www.rense.com/general47/thatwas.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / Today our
>>>>>>>>"chains" are made of threats and our walls are made of
>>>>>>>>paper wrapped in patriotic flags. But if we linger -
>>>>>>>>tomorrow the chains will be of steel and the walls will
>>>>>>>>be made of stone. And soon we'll all begin to live
>>>>>>>>this nightmare as reality. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ex-US Marine and Gulf War Veteran burns his US pass****t in
Baghdad
>>>>>>>>http://electroniciraq.net/news/1312.shtml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yahoo! News - Army OKs Halliburton Waiver for Oil Deal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / The military said last week its OWN fuel agency, the
>>>>>>>>Defense Energy Sup****t Center, would take over bringing
>>>>>>>>in fuel as soon as it has put new contracts in place,
>>>>>>>>PROBABLY by April. [APRIL? PROBABLY!?#%$!] Until then,
>>>>>>>>KBR will continue the job. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oil Immunity?
>>>>>>>>Government Denies Charges that Bush Helped Oil Companies in Iraq
>>>>>>>>http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Oil_Immunity_103003.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / It continues, "... any ... judicial process is prohibited,
>>>>>>>>and shall be deemed null and void." \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>President Served Friday With Personal 9-11 RICO Complaint
>>>>>>>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5479.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nine hundred and Eleven Missing Pieces
>>>>>>>>What don't we know, and why don't we know it?
>>>>>>>>http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_4315.shtml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / Condoleezza Rice's preposterous May 16, 2002, statement that
no
>>>>>>>>one could have foreseen this scenario was particularly ironic
given
>>>>>>>>that Pacifica Radio identified her that day as the source of San
>>>>>>>>Francisco Mayor Willie Brown's "air****t security" call warning
him not
>>>>>>>>to fly on Black Tuesday. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Remember: Condoleezza is competing for the title of, the wicked
witch
>>>>>>>>of the world. (She worked directly with bush on the General Ahmad
9/11
>>>>>>>>plan, (to criminally invade Afghanistan for the American pension
>>>>>>>>thieves Enron. (Enron, who managed to walk away with the loot
anyway
>>>>>>>>as, maybe the bu****es will learn for next time suckers, as use
to be,
>>>>>>>>a massively CRIMINAL bankruptcy [stolen money is in the Caymen
>>>>>>>>Islands] as re****ted by Jim at MSNBC.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Miami federal court has 'secret docket' to keep some cases hidden
from
>>>>>>>>public
>>>>>>>>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-
csecret08jan08,0,2167647.story?coll=sfl
>>>>>>>>a-home-headlines
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / "It's a significant infringement of the genuine public
interest in
>>>>>>>>knowing what is going on in its judicial system." \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>US Coalition Forces Above the Law,
>>>>>>>>According to the CPA
>>>>>>>>http://electroniciraq.net/news/1308.shtml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>George W. Bush: Words vs. Deeds
>>>>>>>>http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?
op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=
>>>>>>>>600
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>US Firms STEALING Money
>>>>>>>>http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?
file=/2003/12/7/nation/6859213&sec=nation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / ``KBR is charging Iraq US$180,000 (RM684,000) for each school
they
>>>>>>>>renovate. They then give the project to Iraqi sub-contractors and
pay
>>>>>>>>them just US$20,000 (RM76,000) to do the job. \ \
>>>>>>>>snpd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Iraq reconstruction's bottom-line
>>>>>>>>http://www.asiatimes.ru/atimes/Middle_East/EL25Ak05.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/ / So there's money; it's just not going around. And
>>>>>>>>here perhaps lies the solution to the mystery of how the
>>>>>>>>world's superpower and the world's biggest cor****ations
>>>>>>>>can't even begin to put Iraq together again after almost
>>>>>>>>nine months: The reconstruction is less about
>>>>>>>>reconstruction than about making the most money
>>>>>>>>possible. \ \
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>snpd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I hate bush with everything I am, or ever will be as Human.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who will care for your life in cor****ate america, where,
>>>>>>>>with a silence of contempt through censor****p, rob
>>>>>>>>themselves as ungodly and criminal degenerates under the
>>>>>>>>bu****e doctrine of enslavement of their species? Know,
>>>>>>>>that it is NO SECRET, Eason Jordan of CNN knows, (as
>>>>>>>>too, Robert Habinovitch of CBC does too), about General
>>>>>>>>Ahmad, and demon bush's 9/11 strategy existing in 'top
>>>>>>>>secret' Presidential directives, written two days prior
>>>>>>>>to the event of murdering thousands of Americans, a plan
>>>>>>>>to blame Laden on as innocent of to secure invasion of
>>>>>>>>Afghanistan for Enron. (Laden would plead innocent
>>>>>>>>naturally, the Taliban would vote against persecuting
>>>>>>>>the innocent until proven otherwise as Clinton learned,
>>>>>>>>while demon bush and cheney would privately plead to
>>>>>>>>have our Police work halted, to attempt their getaway.)
>>>>>>>>Both, Jordan and Habinovitich have refused OUR staff
>>>>>>>>since the event of re****ting the facts for our
>>>>>>>>judgements, and side instead with not re****ted reasons
>>>>>>>>like those given by irrational and dumb evil Walter
>>>>>>>>Issacson, that CNN is forbidden to PUBLICLY re****t on
>>>>>>>>the murder of innocent children by traitor tommy franks,
>>>>>>>>because, you should remember how many people died in New
>>>>>>>>York City. (Why not just murder more New Yorkers,
>>>>>>>>they're closer?) Sure, it's stupid, dumb, and as evil as
>>>>>>>>it comes, but Walter dictated policy, you as a CNN staff
>>>>>>>>member had to comply with, or face the consequences of
>>>>>>>>termination. These bu****e censors of our top priority
>>>>>>>>news interest stories are our enemies as traitors to the
>>>>>>>>Human cause. Jordan, nor Habinovitch will give no
>>>>>>>>reasons for publicly denying our police agencies
>>>>>>>>protection, (PHONE THEM UP AND ASK THEM SOLDIER) hoping
>>>>>>>>we can't see them not doing our jobs to protect Your
>>>>>>>>freedom, while leaving the outstanding investigation
>>>>>>>>officers left in the bind, on hopes bush'll disappear
>>>>>>>>them, like they no doubt have plans to get those loose
>>>>>>>>ends who directly know of their treason against God's
>>>>>>>>America, and all that is Honorable and Just in our
>>>>>>>>World.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Kill the demon antiChrist, Your Mr. bush Jr. American
>>>>>>>>Patriot Soldier, and be loved by all as Saviour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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On 27 Feb 2004 22:03:46 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>I'm not aware of any "Bush war crimes." ...
So you're not aware. No wonder you sup****t Bush.
His invasions are illegal and his victims are innocents.
Your lack of awareness doesn't justify the blood on your hands.
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:20:42 -0500, Truth wrote:
>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Bush&num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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>On 27 Feb 2004 22:03:46 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>I'm not aware of any "Bush war crimes." ...
>
>So you're not aware. No wonder you sup****t Bush.
>
>His invasions are illegal and his victims are innocents.
So you say. MOST Americans (those I care about) disagree.
>
>Your lack of awareness doesn't justify the blood on your hands.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Every nation has the right to defend itself.
Saddam and Osama were both warned. They thought we were too weak to do
anything about their threats and their atrocities, their own women
whom they rape with impunity, their own women whom they imprison in
their homes, free to beat those women TO DEATH should they commit the
AWEFUL CRIME of going outside.
They thought we wouldn't do anything; they were wrong.
You defend Saddam's right to torture his people just for fun? YOU are
a monster! He executed his own son-in-law for disagreeing with him
during a cabinet meeting. You approve of that? You are a monster.
We sent BILLIONS in aid to Iraq. Saddam confiscated it, built weapons
and palaces for himself, and squirreled the rest away for himself for
a rainy day.
You sup****t THAT? You are a monster.
He lived in luxury while he watched his people starve? And you are ok
with that? You are a monster. And likely, you are an Arab pig.
He closed the schools because he didn't want his people to get too
educated or smart. Missionaries and others snuck into Iraq and opened
underground schools ANYWAY, at the threat of their very lives if they
were caught. And you sup****ted that? You are a monster.
Al Quaeda.
In removing him, we had to use force. War is ugly; war hurts; innocent
people die. But far less people died than Saddam killed in any given
month.
Yet you sup****t Saddam????? You are a monster!
jw
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jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>... MOST Americans ...
You lie.
You don't speak for them.
Afghanistan and Iraq both offered to do anything to avoid war,
but your idol Bush couldn't profiteer on peace. You're the one
who sup****ts what Saddam did, because you sup****t those
who installed him and approved of his atrocities.
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On 27 Feb 2004 22:03:46 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>I'm not aware of any "Bush war crimes." ...
So you're not aware. No wonder you sup****t Bush.
His invasions are illegal and his victims are innocents.
Your lack of awareness doesn't justify the blood on your hands.
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:22:40 -0500, Truth wrote:
>Real Christians reject Bush.
>
>Only the Satanic sup****t Bush.
>
>http://templeofgwbush.blogspot.com/
How would YOU know since you OBVIOUSLY aren't a Christian. And I
never said I sup****t Bush.
My candidate in November will likely be "None of the Above."
But then that's none of your business.
jw
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Subject: Re: Serve Satan - Sup****t Bush
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:56:19 -0500
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jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>...OBVIOUSLY aren't a Christian. And I
If you were a Christian, you'd reject those who don't turn the
other cheek and don't love their enemies.
You'd also reject those who get rich on getting others killed.
Real Christians reject Bush.
Only the Satanic sup****t Bush.
http://templeofgwbush.blogspot.com/
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:05:50 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>On 27 Feb 2004 04:11:38 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in an
>ongoing failed attempt to draw favorable attention to itself left the
>following in public view.
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:05:27 -0500, "Tom" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>>>news:p9vs30t7recle89mp6ls9qvgdp1tgu4nmn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> x-no-archive:yes
>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:50:26 -0600, King Johnny <here@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>
>>>> >W's Reality Gap
>>>> >http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17907
>
>>>> >/ / Whenever President Bush is now confronted with an
>>>> >unacceptable reality, he either changes the subject -
>>>> >is steroid use really more im****tant than the environment?
>>>> >- or expresses confidence in his certainty. "I'm absolutely
>>>> >confident that..." he'll say, as if the issue is his
>>>> >determination rather than his conclusion. \ \
>
>>>>John: Take this back to alt.politics!
>
>>>> jw
>>> <snip 146kb of bull****>
>
>>>Tom: You posted 146 kb to this Ng in order to post one line??? How
>>>considerate you are. You must be a fundie Christian to be so
considerate!
>
>>You must be an atheist in the wrong group to get so upset over a
>>post's length. That TRULY IS an EARTHSHAKING issue!
>
>Now there is a thought, because you lack the skills, knowledge &
>courtesy to trim your pots,
What's a "pot?"
anyone that points it out is an atheist,
I don't even call atheists "that". You call me ignorant, and you can't
even distinguish between a person and a rock.
>which while being a compliment, you assume to be an insult.
>Aw well, by their fruits ye shall know them & all that.
>
>>Any excuse to criticize Christians and God, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>Gods, in the case of the xian pantheon.
You idiotic demoniac! The Christian God is one God. Now YOU have
admitted not enough gray matter to understand.
& the criticism was directed
>at your lack of courtesy to others by not trimming, & marking, your
>posts when you really had nothing to say yet wanted the world to know
>it.
Have you jumped on ALL of those in the group who don't trim, or do you
merely select me because you're in love with me?
I'm hetero.
>A common trait of yours, associated with bores, the uncouth, the
>asinine, the terminally stupid, but there is no need of me to be as
>redundant as you like to be.
Why, then, do you continue to drool and bark at me with each of your
mindless drivel posts?
>
>>(grow up) MOST atheists I have known are arrested 5 year olds.
>
>Really, you're an atheist then??
I didn't say that, and you have not proved that you don't even read at
the 5th grade level.
And I am tired of this bs. You are too easy to put in your place. I
need a challenge.
jw
Your postings claim you to be xian.
>
>>There would be far less carp in all the groups if you geniuses would
>>post elsewhere and not in the Christian groups.
>
>The problem is no the geniuses, if any, posting to the groups. The
>problem is the few that
"who"
assume they know what they are talking about
>when patently they don't. AKA people whose posting history matches
>yours.
>
>>jw
>
>walksalone who knows that he & google concur about they lieing &
>attempts to denigrate others that is the trademark of john w.
> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
>on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> [William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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Subject: Re: Serve Satan - Sup****t Bush
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:58:35 -0500
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jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>... idiotic demoniac! ...
That must be why you sup****t wrongdoing.
http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html
A real Christian would never tolerate, much less sup****t,
a fascist traitor such as Bush.
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On 28 Feb 2004 02:08:32 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:05:50 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>
>>On 27 Feb 2004 04:11:38 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in an
>>ongoing failed attempt to draw favorable attention to itself left the
>>following in public view.
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:05:27 -0500, "Tom" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>>"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>>>>news:p9vs30t7recle89mp6ls9qvgdp1tgu4nmn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> x-no-archive:yes
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:50:26 -0600, King Johnny <here@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> >W's Reality Gap
>>>>> >http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17907
>>
>>>>> >/ / Whenever President Bush is now confronted with an
>>>>> >unacceptable reality, he either changes the subject -
>>>>> >is steroid use really more im****tant than the environment?
>>>>> >- or expresses confidence in his certainty. "I'm absolutely
>>>>> >confident that..." he'll say, as if the issue is his
>>>>> >determination rather than his conclusion. \ \
>>>>>John: Take this back to alt.politics!
>>>>> jw
>>>> <snip 146kb of bull****>
>>>>Tom: You posted 146 kb to this Ng in order to post one line??? How
>>>>considerate you are. You must be a fundie Christian to be so
considerate!
>>>You must be an atheist in the wrong group to get so upset over a
>>>post's length. That TRULY IS an EARTHSHAKING issue!
>>
>>Now there is a thought, because you lack the skills, knowledge &
>>courtesy to trim your pots,
>What's a "pot?"
>
> anyone that points it out is an atheist,
In your case, it is a shortened version of **overflowing from a
chamber pot**, wasn't that obvious?
>I don't even call atheists "that". You call me ignorant, and you can't
>even distinguish between a person and a rock.
If the person is you, & being compared to the rock, people can
identify the rock as being probably the more decent & intelligent of
the two. So, because you can't tell the difference, is that supposed
to bother others?
>>which while being a compliment, you assume to be an insult.
>>Aw well, by their fruits ye shall know them & all that.
>>>Any excuse to criticize Christians and God, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>>
>>Gods, in the case of the xian pantheon.
>You idiotic demoniac! The Christian God is one God. Now YOU have
>admitted not enough gray matter to understand.
Really, are you saying that you can't identify gods known to be
members of good standing in the xian pantheon?? You are even more
unintelligent than I had suspected. Tell you what, why don't you post
your evidence to back your claims, not apologetics, nor the special
pleading that your grimorie is true in spite of evidence that
indicates the contrary is correct. The contrary being that your
grimorie is not valid for many reasons, not limited to lack of obvious
need. A trait shared by all the other gods of humanity.
Let me start the definition for you, & this is a required part of the
definition. Without it, your gods are reduced to the mundane.
God/s/dess/es are supernatural.
Now you can add your definitions & we will see ho much you don't know.
Or you can run.
> & the criticism was directed
>>at your lack of courtesy to others by not trimming, & marking, your
>>posts when you really had nothing to say yet wanted the world to know
>>it.
>Have you jumped on ALL of those in the group who don't trim, or do you
>merely select me because you're in love with me?
I observed you for a couple of reasons,
A: I enjoy the majority of Tom's posts, he is articulate & has a fair
grasp of the subjects he discusses. He may even work in the fields for
all I know.
B: You are a person that was stupid enough to make a demand on me,
that I observe it. I am doing that.
C: You are famous for being a rude inconsiderate idiot incapable of
paying attention to anyone but itself, & google verifies that beyond
reasonable doubt. From the days you always top posted to where you
complain others of the same conduct. Your attempts to correct others
in fields of knowledge you demonstrate a total lack of knowledge in.
D: You had been advised that if you didn't want to be observed, avoid
subjects, authors, or anything else I may be monitoring.
E: Tom is the one that first pointed out what an as you are, & I but
concurred.
>I'm hetero.
& that influences the price of ***** in Bombay in what manner. Or are
you one of those that are so vain they expect everyone to hit on them.
Were I female, your ethics & odious conduct would insure that I would
not hit on you.
But even more im****tant, I require the possibility of intelligent
conversation in the morning. A trait you have indicated you are
incapable of that anytime of the day, let alone in the morning.
>>A common trait of yours, associated with bores, the uncouth, the
>>asinine, the terminally stupid, but there is no need of me to be as
>>redundant as you like to be.
>Why, then, do you continue to drool and bark at me with each of your
>mindless drivel posts?
It just might be me returning to you what you demand others accept
from you willingly. It might be many things, but that would suffice
were I strictly to be in one sided [mine] conversations with you. No
other reason or whim would be required.
Or, to paraphrase you, NOYFBAW.
>>>(grow up) MOST atheists I have known are arrested 5 year olds.
>>Really, you're an atheist then??
>I didn't say that, and you have not proved that you don't even read at
>the 5th grade level.
Well, at least I know when to use you proved & when to use proven.
As to that, I doubt anyone besides you believes that lie. I suspect
that I actually use words with regularity that are alien to you, not
only in usage, but meaning.
Your known inability to comprehend the written word in context does
not help your claims for an education of any type.
& lets not forget that error on your part when you indicated you had
thought I was at the 16th year of education.
I may well be beyond that in an informal evaluation, or I may be below
that. It s moot to me.
>And I am tired of this bs. You are too easy to put in your place. I
>need a challenge.
Run rabbit run, coyote is in your trail. IOW, you are unable to verify
your attempts to denigrate others, you can not provide evidence for
your assumptions, so like the proverbial yellow dog, you are going to
tuck your mangey tail between your legs & run off, all the while
whining victory over your shoulder.
Be the guest of th news groups & depart in excess of the speed of
light, you will not be missed.
>jw
>
>
>Your postings claim you to be xian.
>>
>>>There would be far less carp in all the groups if you geniuses would
>>>post elsewhere and not in the Christian groups.
>>
>>The problem is no the geniuses, if any, posting to the groups. The
>>problem is the few that
>"who"
People like you that pretend to know what they are talking about, when
it is obvious that if clues could be had by the truck load, delivered
for free, just ask, you would still be clueless.
Snip
walksalone who doubt's that jw will comprehend any of the above.
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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On 27 Feb 2004 22:05:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:05:50 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>>>"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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>>>>> x-no-archive:yes
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:50:26 -0600, King Johnny <here@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> >W's Reality Gap
>>>>> >http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17907
>>>> <snip 146kb of bull****>
>>>>Tom: You posted 146 kb to this Ng in order to post one line??? How
>>>>considerate you are. You must be a fundie Christian to be so
considerate!
>>>You must be an atheist in the wrong group to get so upset over a
>>>post's length. That TRULY IS an EARTHSHAKING issue!
snip
>>>Any excuse to criticize Christians and God, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>< SNIPPED the rest of the chin drool>
>Is THAT trimmed enough for you?
Snipped it in the manner most people that are courteous anticipate,
remove the excess & leave only that which is germane.
So I guess instead of removing your chin drool, you just smeared it
all over your face. Not that anything wold be expected from you.
After all, google verifies that you are an inconsiderate liar, even
though you have been removing your posts, the replies your vitriol &
lies you generate are left behind.
>jw
walksalone who doubts the small soiled child of arcb, john w, is
capable of considering his abusive effects on others, or even cares.
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
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> Being
>DELIBERATELY offensive to Christians is one symptom of being
>possessed, BTW.
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On 27 Feb 2004 11:15:27 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:04:18 GMT, hayesmstw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:06:46 +1100, pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Silver
Blaze)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Where witches are ****trayed as real the ****trayer is either a fraud,
>>>massively under a missapprehension or suffering from a psychosis such
as
>>>schizophrenia
>>
>>You are mistaken.
>
>He is NOT mistaken. Ozzie is lying. He is a demoniac.
The primary characteristic of satanic activity is the making of
accusations.
Satan is the accuser.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:01:16 GMT, hayesmstw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Steve Hayes) wrote:
~On 27 Feb 2004 11:15:27 GMT, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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~
~>x-no-archive:yes
~>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:04:18 GMT, hayesmstw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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~>
~>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:06:46 +1100,
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~>>
~>>>Where witches are ****trayed as real the ****trayer is
either a fraud,
~>>>massively under a missapprehension or suffering from a
psychosis such as
~>>>schizophrenia
~>>
~>>You are mistaken.
~>
~>He is NOT mistaken. Ozzie is lying. He is a demoniac.
~
~The primary characteristic of satanic activity is the
making of accusations.
~
~Satan is the accuser.
Satan does not exist. Never has. But, if you need a
convenient and very simple way to interpret what YOU
consider to be good and evil, have at it. Such simple gods
you have!
_______________________________
People who want to share their religious
views with you almost never want you
to share yours with them.
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:48:40 GMT, Opie Taylor
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>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:01:16 GMT, hayesmstw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>~On 27 Feb 2004 11:15:27 GMT, jw
><john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>~>He is NOT mistaken. Ozzie is lying. He is a demoniac.
>~
>~The primary characteristic of satanic activity is the
>making of accusations.
>~
>~Satan is the accuser.
>
>Satan does not exist. Never has. But, if you need a
>convenient and very simple way to interpret what YOU
>consider to be good and evil, have at it. Such simple gods
>you have!
OK, so tell us about your complex gods then.
But preferably in a more appropriate newsgroup.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
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> wrote in message
> > > <snipped a bit>
> <snipped a bit more>
> > > Well let me just ask this: Do we need the bible to be saved?
> >
> >
> > hmmm. I believe that if the witness is quoting the Bible then its
power to
> > convict might well be enough to win the lost soul. But that of
course
is a
> > different answer than saying the lost soul has to believe the Bible
is
the
> > inerrant, inspired Word of God.
> >
> > There is something about the Scripture! You can explain the gospel
in
your
> > own words and they will reject it and you, but then you quote to them
the
> > words of Scripture and they will respond in faith.
>
> I know exactly what you're saying here and I've encountered this
myself.
> However if you tell someone about Christ and about the cross you've
told
them
> enough. I ask this in counterpoint. Can a "brand new" christian
witness
> effectively without much, if any, knowledge of the Bible?
Absolutely! anyone can witness effectively without the Bible. However
they
cannot win souls without or even with the Scriptures. It is God that
draws
men to salvation, not the skill of our presentations. (Although I
suppose I
would sometimes like to think so.)
However, the Scriptures as a direct revelation of God, can open up the
person to the drawing of the Holy Spirit in ways I could never explain.
So I suppose that I should explain why I said the person was successful
if
they did not win anyone? They are successful if they are bold enough to
tell, at whatever level of maturity they have available. It is not our
job
to win souls anyway, only to present the message and to leave the
'winning'
to Jesus.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Doesn't God's word state that it will not go forth and return to
Him
> > without
> > > first accompli****ng the purpose He set for it.
> >
> > Yes it does say that, but that may not be directly relevant to our
initial
> > conversation about what is necessary for salvation. As you remember
I
> > divided it up into actions and beliefs. But I believe that the
belief
side
> > is more difficult to distill down to a few simple things.
>
> Oh this issue to the learned is far from simple, yet we are to approach
the
> Kingdom of God as a little child or simply IOW (if I may).
>
And yet, as I pointed out to JW we baptists have a bad habit of telling
people they only need x to be saved. Then after they accept x we tell
them
that they needed xyz to be saved. So I believe that as a whole, and
myself
included, we need to decide which gospel we preach. Decide which
doctrines
are essentials. Must a person have a large set or small set of doctrines
correct? I generally choose the smaller set and then as I try to bring
new
believers to maturity I am careful to never say that they are lost if
they
don't agree with the more complex doctrine. I simply tell them they are
wrong if they disagree! :-)
> >
> > > There are many today who reject
> > > the resurrection, as an additive to the discussion. Are those
folks
> > really
> > > saved? I have my doubts, because without the resurrection there
really
> > isn't
> > > any Christianity is there. You can't make the truth what you want
it
and
> > you
> > > can't always be comfortable with it, yet it's still the truth.
However,
> > do we
> > > need more than Christ to be saved?
> >
> > If a person is submitting themselves to the Lord****p of Christ,
believing
> > that He is Lord, God's Son, Savior then I believe that they are
saved.
If
> > they do not expect to be with God in heaven, but still submit
themselved
to
> > God then they surely are submitting for more pure motives than most
of
us
> > do? He gave himself to the relation****p that saves, he had his
doctrine
all
> > mixed up, and what a wonderful surprise he will have after death, but
his
> > error should not exclude him from salvation as far as I can tell.
But
you
> > are right that it is unlikely that this scenario would ever take
place.
>
> I agree.
>
> >
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure I know what you'll say, but
> > > I'm still going to let you say it.
> >
> >
> > Were you right?
>
> Pretty darn close. ;-)
>
> Shalom,
> Deacon
>
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> >
> > Listen, lil' buddy, I did answer you, but you didn't know where to
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> > look where you broke bad on me, ok, fella?
> >
> >
> I also noticed how little agar could not resist AGAIN making mention of
a
> fact JW mentioned about 'scrounging'......... was there any need for
> that?
> No.
Yes, JohnH asked about scrounging, JohnW is the only dumpster diver I
know so I passed on the info.
> While JW and I have MANY differences, some of which I intend to follow
up
> on ---- little man agr has no business saying anything like he is
doing.
Do you see what poor poor JohnW does as a shame? You know of the need
but do nothing! That is to your disgrace elaine.
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:35:41 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
<ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>John Hennekes wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:43:34 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE
IT@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Exactly WHY did the "passion" have to happen? Why? Was there no
>> >other way? What was the reason for it? Was it demanded? Was it
>> >required? If so, for what reason? WHY?
>>
>> Don, I have so many Bible dictionaries and commentaries, but I cannot
find one
>> on the subject of scrounging. What can you tell me about that term,
and do you
>> know whether or not that this was actually done to our LORD?
>
>
>If you want to know about "scrounging" I'd recommend JohnW, he scrounged
>his last steak out of the trash so he said.
How kind of you to remember and continue telling my bad experiences.
Suppose you shut up about others' lives and tell us all about Jim
Agar, or does Jim Agar have so LITTLE life he is reduced to talking
about others?
And please get over being in love with me. What would your wife say
about this unholy obsession of yours?
"Small minds discuss people."
jw
>ujibwa
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Susan Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:05:13 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>John wrote:
>>
>>>>Not true, you can have works without faith,
>>>
>>>
>>>You can? Where does it say that in scripture?
>>>
>>
>>"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after
>>righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness
>>which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness,
>>did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by
>>faith." Romans 9v30-32.
>
>
>
> Bob deceiveth here!
Erm. All I've done is quote scripture. You haven't even quoted *any*
comment by me. How can you say that I'm deceiving?
>
> MOSES kept the law! Did he fall into the condemnation that those who
> fell in the wilderness fell?
>
Moses did failed to keep the law. He was condemned for strinking the
stone a second time and God prevented him entering the promise land
so that he ided in the wilderness. But Moses had faith, so he
was saved through his faith.
The rest is offtopic.
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Susan Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:32:11 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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>>Susan Williams wrote:
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>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:05:13 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Not true, you can have works without faith,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You can? Where does it say that in scripture?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after
>>>>righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness
>>>>which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of
righteousness,
>>>>did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by
>>>>faith." Romans 9v30-32.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob deceiveth here!
>>
>>Erm. All I've done is quote scripture. You haven't even quoted *any*
>>comment by me. How can you say that I'm deceiving?
>>
>>
>>>MOSES kept the law! Did he fall into the condemnation that those who
>>>fell in the wilderness fell?
>>>
>>
>>Moses did failed to keep the law. He was condemned for strinking the
>>stone a second time and God prevented him entering the promise land
>>so that he ided in the wilderness. But Moses had faith, so he
>>was saved through his faith.
>>
>
> You are just quoting one messup of Moses. The rest of the Children of
> Israel did not perish out of rest merely because of one messup. THEY
> DID NOT ENTER INTO GOD'S REST.
They did perish for one messup. The sin of kadeh barnea.
>
> Did Moses enter into that rest?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "entering God's rest". Please
define. Moses did not enter the promised land.
> Is Moses saved?
>
Yes. In spite of his sins, because of his faith he was saved.
> NOW, AFTER MOSES ENTERED INTO THAT REST, DID MOSES KEEP THE TEN
> COMMANDMENTS??
He probably tried to, but as Jesus defines keeping the law, he
probably failed to. But this is not a problem, since Moses
lived under "the law". "the law" Has now terminated.
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Susan Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:10:44 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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>>Susan Williams wrote:
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>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:32:11 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Susan Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:05:13 +0000, bob <bob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not true, you can have works without faith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can? Where does it say that in scripture?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after
>>>>>>righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness
>>>>>>which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of
righteousness,
>>>>>>did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not
by
>>>>>>faith." Romans 9v30-32.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob deceiveth here!
>>>>
>>>>Erm. All I've done is quote scripture. You haven't even quoted *any*
>>>>comment by me. How can you say that I'm deceiving?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MOSES kept the law! Did he fall into the condemnation that those
who
>>>>>fell in the wilderness fell?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Moses did failed to keep the law. He was condemned for strinking the
>>>>stone a second time and God prevented him entering the promise land
>>>>so that he ided in the wilderness. But Moses had faith, so he
>>>>was saved through his faith.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are just quoting one messup of Moses. The rest of the Children of
>>>Israel did not perish out of rest merely because of one messup. THEY
>>>DID NOT ENTER INTO GOD'S REST.
>>
>>They did perish for one messup. The sin of kadeh barnea.
>
>
> They did perish in the wilderness after roaming 40 years.
*whilst* roaming for 40 years.
> But I am
> saying THAT THEY ARE LOST!
Lost in which sense? Salvation or geographical?
> Are you telling me for that one messup
> they committed the unpardonable sin?
Where does the bible call the sin of kadesh barnea unpardonable?
>
> The scripture that shows what happened to them not only stated that
> they wandered in the wilderness till death, IT STATES THAT THEY ARE
> LOST!
>
How do you mean?
> That's what I'm saying. Moses, though finding the rest of the Lord,
> KEPT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS STILL!
>
> You do know what I'm talking about!
>
Or at least did his best to. OK I think we're basically in agreement.
>
>>>Did Moses enter into that rest?
>>
>>I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "entering God's rest". Please
>>define. Moses did not enter the promised land.
>
>
> Hebrews is talking about the "rest" of Christ. You know what I'm
> talking about!
>
OK. I understand that kind of rest. It's a rest entered into by
believers.
>
>>>Is Moses saved?
>>>
>>
>>Yes. In spite of his sins, because of his faith he was saved.
>>
>>
>>>NOW, AFTER MOSES ENTERED INTO THAT REST, DID MOSES KEEP THE TEN
>>>COMMANDMENTS??
>>
>>He probably tried to, but as Jesus defines keeping the law, he
>>probably failed to. But this is not a problem, since Moses
>>lived under "the law". "the law" Has now terminated.
>
>
>
> He tried to and entered into rest.
OK. Moses had the kind of rest described in Hebrews, I could accept
that. Don't know I like the implication of "tried to", which seems
to be that the rest is entered through his own effort, but go on...
> The rest of the children TRIED TO
> and didn't?
No. That would imply there were no believers in Israel apart from
Moses. We know that there were at least two - the two faithful
spies who were allowed to enter the promised land.
> Did Moses them come back to warn them and say, "HEY, I
> FOUND THE ANSWER! DON'T TRY TO KEEP THAT LAW I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY
> TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT IS KILLING YOU!!"
>
Moses told everyone to obey the law. Moses did his best to keep
the law. I'm not debating that at all. The original question was
basically, "is it possible to do your best to keep the law [works]
and yet have no faith?" You're not adressing this question at all.
> Do lie some more and explain...
>
>
> In His Grace,
>
>
> Susan
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Susan Williams wrote:
>
> Back to the point. Bob told us that Ancient Israel who fell in the
> wilderness did so because they kept the law or tried to.
>
No I did not. Please quote.
> Moses entered into God's "rest" found in Hebrews, and till the day of
> his death he taught that the law must be kept.
Exactly as I stated.
> So good was Moses,
> that he talked with God FACE TO FACE!
Not *because* he was so good. Please quote some scripture that sup****ts
this concept that Moses got to talk to God face to face *because* he
was so good.
> You show me a Christian that
> can claim that even today who teaches against the law.
You show me a Christian that can claim that even today.
>
> So there was a differentce between Moses and the Israelites who all
> purposed to keep the law.
>
You haven't shown a difference. Am I missing something. Are you
saying the difference is that Moses spoke to God face to face?
If so, I'll agree that is a difference, but what is your point?
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:24:10 +0800, "Raymond"
<NOSPAM-rwknapp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive:yes
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:42:46 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <40jq305jvaipcqhnu9amtrd57gb6p0lnt8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, bleahcim49
>> >@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> >> >>And YES, ALL sinners are WELCOME in the Church. That's WHY the
Church
>is
>> >> >>THERE.
>> >>
>> >> That is not what you said before.
>> >>
>> >It was ME who posted that, FYI................ and I stand behind it.
>>
>> And I agreed wholeheartedly.
>>
>> The problem arose when the question, "Would an atheist be welcome in
>> a Christian church?" ("Yes") morphed into "Would your church allow an
>> atheist to serve in a position of responsibility?" The answer to THAT
>> question (a TOTALLY different issue) would be "No."
>>
>> That would be tantamount to a Christian theologian asking a Muslim
>> congregation if he could get up and conduct a Christian evangelical
>> gospel service (including preaching a gospel message) in the mosque.
>>
>> The answer would be, "Of COURSE the Christian theologian would be
>> welcome to attend a Muslim service; however, of COURSE the Christian
>> would NOT be permitted to preach a gospel message in the mosque."
>> (Now I do not know if a Christian would actually be permitted to
>> attend a service in a mosque; I merely created a metaphor.)
>>
>
>I was invited to attend a service in a mosque while in the Philippine
and
>even teach them how to use one gong to get many musical sounds out of
it,
>instead of using the I think ten they used. The Christians asked me not
to
>go,
They weren't Christians. Satan wouldn't have arranged for you to go to
begin with. The Holy Spirit got you an offer to minister, and the
devil talked you out of it.
You failed. However, not to beat you to death. We all make mistakes.
Pick it up, brush it off, shake it off, straighten your shoulders,
krick your neck, adjust your specs, and sit back down for
some prayer , repentance, some requesting forgiveness, some
cleansing. Do not forget His Holy Spirit makes it all right again if
we truly belong to Him.
You now know why so many laugh at me in here. I speak the truth.
When you are cleansed and repented up, you will be ready the next
time!! Right?
and Bible study.
The NEXT time
as they said to play the gong in that mosque would be a form of
wor****p
>to that religion.
Nonsense. If you are going through the motions to be polite, you are
NOT wor****ping. However, even if you DO feel you have "wor****pped" all
you need to is repent!!! It's not like sin is unforgivable.
Repent, and the Bible says it's "sweet incense" unto the Lord.
You need to get to a store and pick up a Bible studies series like
Navigators.
So I turn the invite down.
Bad idea! God sent you an op****tunity; you allowed Satan to dissuade
you.
I sure I could of went,
Yes, you could have gone; even more harshly, you SHOULD have gone!
But,NEXT time!
And pray for wisdom next time you need a quick decision. Also do not
forget that you can call down miracles, and then you'll know if God
truly is there for you.
as I
>and the Hajji their leader were friends and would talk about God and the
>things God did in the Christian faith.
Exactly. Next time!
Now a unbeliever would not be aloud
>to Mecca and attend any services in their "holy city".
So go to the leader of the group you declined,and say you've had a 2nd
thought. Offer to do it or something next time. Repent and bow and
scrape, anything for a next op****tunity.
gb
jw
>
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:22:25 -0500, "Mike Tennyson"
<miketennyson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>If you had a family DIE for defending it I don't think you would feel
the
>same way! Thank you all vets out there. If you can read this thank a
>teacher, if you are reading this in English thank a vet!
>
>Mike Tennyson
You are welcome. Thanks for remembering us.
jw
>
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> wrote:
>>
>> >burn the flag/constitution/jail and execute all who dissagree with
your
>> >views, remove due process.....................but also outlaw
abortion
>> >and gay marraige.
>>
>> Can I ask, being in the UK I have never understood why America gets so
>> upset over the burning of the flag. I mean a flag is just a piece of
>> material, another can be sown tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
>>
>> ()'.'.'()
>> ( (T) )
>> ( ) . ( )
>> (")_(")
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On 28 Feb 2004 11:43:58 GMT, john+weatherly
<john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in an attempt to claim accolades he
earned at the back door wrote the following & called it good.
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:22:25 -0500, "Mike Tennyson"
><miketennyson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>If you had a family DIE for defending it I don't think you would feel
the
>>same way! Thank you all vets out there. If you can read this thank a
>>teacher, if you are reading this in English thank a vet!
>>
>>Mike Tennyson
>You are welcome. Thanks for remembering us.
Considering what Mr. Tennyson wrote, your reply is a besmirching the
memory of the good people that did in fact die in defending that flag.
If you have any combat awards, please, please wear them in front of a
man that earned the CIB, the CMB, or any of the other combat awards,
but take your clackers out first. I doubt they would enjoy your
puffery.
Not to mention, you are not a combat vet, as so many are.
A war era vet would not likely be tolerant of you, & I know I would
rip them off your chest.
Of course, it does not matter that you have a receipt for them from
the BX, I've known to many vets that are permanent wards of a not so
damn grateful nation.
>jw
walksalone who is not a bit surprised that the undesirably discharged
would engage in trying to make itself look better than it is.
After all, it did claim to be a retired Sgt. E-5, USAF
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:32:58 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>On 28 Feb 2004 11:43:58 GMT, john+weatherly
><john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> in an attempt to claim accolades he
>earned at the back door wrote the following & called it good.
>
>
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:22:25 -0500, "Mike Tennyson"
>><miketennyson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>If you had a family DIE for defending it I don't think you would feel
the
>>>same way! Thank you all vets out there. If you can read this thank a
>>>teacher, if you are reading this in English thank a vet!
>>>
>>>Mike Tennyson
>
>>You are welcome. Thanks for remembering us.
>
>Considering what Mr. Tennyson wrote, your reply is a besmirching the
Get a life, demoniac.
While others spend so much time doing good, you spend 10 times that
amount of time attempting evil.
jw
>memory of the good people that did in fact die in defending that flag.
>If you have any combat awards, please, please wear them in front of a
>man that earned the CIB, the CMB, or any of the other combat awards,
>but take your clackers out first. I doubt they would enjoy your
>puffery.
>Not to mention, you are not a combat vet, as so many are.
>A war era vet would not likely be tolerant of you, & I know I would
>rip them off your chest.
>Of course, it does not matter that you have a receipt for them from
>the BX, I've known to many vets that are permanent wards of a not so
>damn grateful nation.
>
>>jw
>
>walksalone who is not a bit surprised that the undesirably discharged
>would engage in trying to make itself look better than it is.
>After all, it did claim to be a retired Sgt. E-5, USAF
> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
>on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> [William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:57:46 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>It was posted by a certain individual:
>
>
>"I've seen MUCH more obviously demonic activity in this group than I
have
>noted emanating from the Oval office."
>
>Hmmmmm- interesting to note that it the original party who said that
>would leave, the 'demonic activity would decrease by 100 %........
p k
And if the party that made that ridiculous claim left, the population
of the demonic would decrease 10,000 %.
jw
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"john+weatherly @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:24:10 +0800, "Raymond"
> <NOSPAM-rwknapp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> >> x-no-archive:yes
> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:42:46 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >In article <40jq305jvaipcqhnu9amtrd57gb6p0lnt8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, bleahcim49
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sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
> >> >> >>And YES, ALL sinners are WELCOME in the Church. That's WHY the
Church
> >> That would be tantamount to a Christian theologian asking a Muslim
> >> congregation if he could get up and conduct a Christian evangelical
> >> gospel service (including preaching a gospel message) in the
mosque.
> >>
> >> The answer would be, "Of COURSE the Christian theologian would be
> >> welcome to attend a Muslim service; however, of COURSE the Christian
> >> would NOT be permitted to preach a gospel message in the mosque."
> >> (Now I do not know if a Christian would actually be permitted to
> >> attend a service in a mosque; I merely created a metaphor.)
> >>
> >
> >I was invited to attend a service in a mosque while in the Philippine
and
> >even teach them how to use one gong to get many musical sounds out of
it,
> >instead of using the I think ten they used. The Christians asked me
not
to
> >go,
>
> They weren't Christians. Satan wouldn't have arranged for you to go to
> begin with. The Holy Spirit got you an offer to minister, and the
> devil talked you out of it.
Excuse me, you were not there, so you do not know what was arranged and
who
was what, I was not going to minister I was going to show them how to hit
the gong and make better sounds with less gongs. So you way off the
mark,
and to call Pastors and ministers as the devil, is evil, I am surprised
you
would do such a thing. When in reality at that time it could of keep me
from being killed, as many were killed in fighting between the "Christian
government" and the Muslims. All my Muslims friends were killed not long
after.
> You failed. However, not to beat you to death. We all make mistakes.
> Pick it up, brush it off, shake it off, straighten your shoulders,
> krick your neck, adjust your specs, and sit back down for
> some prayer , repentance, some requesting forgiveness, some
> cleansing. Do not forget His Holy Spirit makes it all right again if
> we truly belong to Him.
What are you talking about here? Beat me to death, what has that to do
with
this post I replied to? I think you have no idea what the Holy Spirit
does
and how He leads people, you sure know nothing of what you telling me.
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