> >> They do not need to. Infants have never sinned. They go to Heaven
when
> >> they die as infants. Automatically, do not pass "Go", "Get out of
Jail
> >> Free" card, no "purgatory".
> >>
> >> I also have noted with predicted amusement your continued dodge of
my
> >> request for your "personal testimony" of when you became a born-
again
> >> Christian as you claim to be.
> >>
> >> COL 4:2 Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and
thankful.
> >> 3 And pray for us, too, that God may open a door for our message, so
> >> that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in
chains.
> >> 4 Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should.
> >> 5 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of
every
> >> op****tunity.
> >> 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt,
> >> SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EVERYONE.
> >>
> >> When someone (me) asks you for your personal "testimony", you are
> >> required to answer.
> >>
> >> You do not.
> >>
> >> "I smell a rat."
> >>
> >> jw
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Alberich
> >>
> >>
> >>
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:50:47 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>
>"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>news:mrev309snbeh8n5qivcemv501gpb46cr2o@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive:yes
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:30:27 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>> >news:k0tt30h70lju0g5spnke2hvbantfuhlhqf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> x-no-archive:yes
>> >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:25:28 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>x-no-archive:yes
>> >> >>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>RCC Examined-12
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Purgatory
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Rome teaches that when Catholics die in an unperfected state,
they
>must
>> >> >>>enter an intermediate realm of punishment called "purgatory"
before
>> >being
>> >> >>>released to heaven. Those who have accumulated sins which have
not
>been
>> >> >>>sufficiently atoned for through penance must endure the
sufferings
>of
>> >> >>>purgatory until the soul is refined and God's justice has been
>> >satisfied.
>> >> >>>The torments of this halfway hell can vary in intensity,
severity,
>and
>> >> >>>duration depending upon the guilt, impurity, lack of proper
penance,
>or
>> >> >>>sorrow of the sufferer.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Catholics are kept in fear all their lives by the prospects of
going
>to
>> >> >>>this imaginary place. But Rome teaches that the period of
suffering
>in
>> >> >>>purgatory can be shortened by gifts of money, prayers by the
>priests,
>> >and
>> >> >>>masses. Catholicism also stresses that friends and relatives can
>help
>> >> >>>lessen the time that loved ones remain in purgatory and even
relieve
>> >their
>> >> >>>suffering by financing masses on their behalf. Rome collects
>millions
>> >of
>> >> >>>dollars each year from grieving individuals who willingly pay to
>> >alleviate
>> >> >>>the agonies of those in purgatory.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>However, this frightening doctrine cannot find a single verse in
the
>> >> >>>entire Bible to sup****t it. Rome has had to rely on ingenious
>twistings
>> >of
>> >> >>>the Scriptures to defend this terrifying teaching, along with an
>> >isolated
>> >> >>>passage from the apocryphal book of II Maccabees (12:39-45).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Which is EXACTLY why they use the A. If they didn't have the A,
>they'd
>> >> >>have NO justification for these heresies.
>> >> >
>> >> >Which is EXACTLY why Protestants don't use the D-Cs. If they had
the
>> >> >D-Cs, they'd have to admit claiming no justification was a heresy.
>> >> >
>> >> >Seriously, don't you two have anything better to do (like discuss
what
>> >> >you *do* believe, perhaps) then continuing to harp on about the
RCC?
>> >>
>> >> Nope. Don't you have anything better to do THAN (not "then")
>> >> continuing to harp on about REAL (NON-Catholic ) Christianity?
>> >>
>> >> >This is really starting to seem like a fixation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I keep wondering why Roman Catholics keep feeling like they have to
>> >> come into a non-Roman Catholic group to "defend" a "faith" that
"needs
>> >> no defending".... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>> >
>> >
>> >Because IKHDY posts his odd brand of Protestantism in
>> >alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic. He's the instigator.
>> >
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> If he is so silly, why not ignore him? Why MUST you engage?
>
>
>I answered your question as to why Catholics respond. They are not
>intruding into Protestant newsgroups, IKHDY is intruding into a Catholic
>newsgroup. You *do* understand what crossposting is , don't you?
Yes, folk in the catholic group do it 100 times a day. However, I
will endeavor to stop following IKH's example. It's obviously a waste
of time on BOTH sides.
jw
>
>Chris
>
>
>>
>> jw
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And so long as Roman Catholics come into the baptist group to
>> >> preach/proselytize/defend Roman Catholic heresies
>> >> (anti-/contra-Biblical dogma), I and other born-agains will defend
the
>> >> true Gospel of the Christ. Someone has to.
>> >>
>> >> You guys keep calling me a liar for pointing out Rome's many
errors,
>> >> lies, and heresies. All *I* am doing is quoting the BIBLE!!
>> >>
>> >> :-)
>> >>
>> >> And seems like God has elected me as one such defender of the
faith.
>> >>
>> >> Paul and Peter were both abused, maligned, lied about, tortured,
and
>> >> eventually murdered for opposing the spirit of anti-Christ,
including
>> >> the one seated at the Vatican. I may well face the same sort of
death.
>> >> But I will defend the faith of Peter and Paul as long as God gives
me
>> >> breath. Call it obsession? I call it the faith of Christ.
>> >>
>> >> JN 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made
through
>> >> him, the world did not recognize him.
>> >> 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive
>> >> him.
>> >> 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who BELIEVED in his name,
he
>> >> gave the right to become children of God--
>> >> 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a
>> >> husband's will, but born of God.
>> >>
>> >> HOW do infants BELIEVE on His name?
>> >>
>> >> They do not need to. Infants have never sinned. They go to Heaven
when
>> >> they die as infants. Automatically, do not pass "Go", "Get out of
Jail
>> >> Free" card, no "purgatory".
>> >>
>> >> I also have noted with predicted amusement your continued dodge of
my
>> >> request for your "personal testimony" of when you became a born-
again
>> >> Christian as you claim to be.
>> >>
>> >> COL 4:2 Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and
thankful.
>> >> 3 And pray for us, too, that God may open a door for our message,
so
>> >> that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in
chains.
>> >> 4 Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should.
>> >> 5 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of
every
>> >> op****tunity.
>> >> 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with
salt,
>> >> SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EVERYONE.
>> >>
>> >> When someone (me) asks you for your personal "testimony", you are
>> >> required to answer.
>> >>
>> >> You do not.
>> >>
>> >> "I smell a rat."
>> >>
>> >> jw
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Alberich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:15:33 +1100, pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>In article <ruev301kcrda1h4r3sgk29lkk2iqqhtddc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
> You see Satan in me;.
>>
>
>> jw
>>
>
>
>No we see a suffering schizophrenic in desperate need of the insight
that
>will bring him to proper treatment for his condition.
You continue to be a drooling, babbling, demon possessed idiot. And
you strive SOOOOOOO hard for my attention.
I continue to tell you, I'm hetero..
jw
We see a man
>behaving in accordance with a well documented and recognised pattern.
>
>Including the fact that on the surface he appears to be the last to have
>insight into his real medical condition and is as a result obsessed with
>hallucinations and nightmares of occult and demonic and Satanic activity
>that in fact are products of his own periodic derangement.
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"jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:25:28 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>x-no-archive:yes
> >>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> >>
<snip>
> You guys keep calling me a liar for pointing out Rome's many errors,
> lies, and heresies. All *I* am doing is quoting the BIBLE!!
>
Really? What Book contains the chapter and verse describing how Paul
invented the practice of inscribing "A.D." and dates in Roman numerals on
the cornerstones of "first century" church buildings? And what verses
from
the Bible explain why Greek speaking regions would using Roman letters as
an
abbreviation for Latin words?
> :-)
>
> And seems like God has elected me as one such defender of the faith.
>
By lying? Who else held the title "Defensor Fidei" {Defender of the
Faith]?
Hmmmmm . . . .ah, yes, that wonderful Christian, Henry Tudor. And
wherever
did good old Henry VIII get such a title from? And for what reason?
Gee,
from the Pope, actually, for defending Roman Catholicism against
Protestantism. Strange how John W. assume the mantle of that title. Is
he
really Satan posing as a reborn, "first century" Christian while he spews
forth hateful poison and lies?
I really believe John W. just might be Satan. That would explain so
much.
What other reason would he have for being such an embarrassment to
Christianity and all Christians everywhere?
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>, Axel says...
>"Falcon" <falcon23587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I suspect it is far more sinister than that! Have you not been
reading
>Elaine's
>> dire warnings and alerts to everyone for the past years?!! It is a
>conspiracy
>> against her by all those terrible "Romanist," 2nd-commandment-
removing,
>> tv-mass-watching-blasphemers, Bible-avoiding, "COWARD" Jesuits whom
she
>has for
>> years been "defeating" for all of us!!! They are trying to stop her
from
>> spreading more of her usual "stuff" (I will avoid any further
description
>of
>> this "spread" substance so as not to offend any delicate sensibilities
who
>may
>> read this thread). No doubt she is even now hot on their trail (I
suspect
>she
>> is thinking they live in Germany by using her incredible sluething
skills)
>and
>> will soon put an end to their shenanigans of messing with her posts!!!
>
>Gasp!! You mean this is a Jesuit plot?!?!?!
DUH!!! Have you been living in a cave??!! Elaine, JW, CB,
IHaveNoClueDoYou,
etc, have it completely figured out - all evil in the world is from the
Catholic
denomination with the demonic Jesuits infiltrating everywhere and
everything to
destroy Christianity!!! Luckily, we have the likes of Elaine to track
them all
down to their lair in Germany, JW to sniff out all the DEMONIACS and
PAGANS for
us and the others to continually call them "LIARS LIARS LIARS!!!" (Think
of a
barking watch dog) so we are warned! Wake-up before it is to late!!!
Save
yourself from the terror!!!
Ciao,
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On 25 Feb 2004 11:17:14 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>Actually we are talking about the one in scripture:
>>"nothing unclean will enter Heaven" Rev 21:27
>>"blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God" Mat 5:8
>>"strive for that holiness without which no one will see the Lord" Heb
12:14
>>"be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect" Mat 5:48
>>Now we now from Heb 4:15 that only Christ never sinned (is clean), so
that
>>clearly leaves all of us out of Heaven when we die unless we are
cleansed
>>(purged) of the sin nature.
>Boy is someone blowing smoke up YOUR ass!
What's the matter, jw. Still rejecting scripture, I see.
> So you are saying that even being washed in the blood of Christ does
>not cleanse us?
What does it mean "to be washed in the Blood of Christ"? It's
scriptural, as
are the statements above re being purged of the sin nature.
You think you are already washed in the Blood of Christ, jw? You can't
even
avoid the open insult to others on this ng. Do you profess you are
already
washed in the Blood of Christ?
Maybe that happens in the purging, jw.
>That is heresy!
Is it now!
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On 27 Feb 2004 09:49:03 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:30:19 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>On 26 Feb 2004 06:01:56 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:28:24 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 25 Feb 2004 08:02:06 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>>>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:16:53 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:52:23 GMT, "Chris"
<vze235xx@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:IKnowHim-2402040910580001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>> RCC Examined-10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Confession
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Baltimore Catechism defines confession as "the telling of
our sins to
>>>>>>>> an authorized priest for the purpose of obtaining forgiveness."
>>>>>>>> Catholicism stresses that priests have the power and authority
to forgive
>>>>>>>> sins without even asking God!(1) Forgiveness involves the
assigning of
>>>>>>>> penance, punishments in the form of good works, a certain number
of
>>>>>>>> prayers, fastings, or abstinence from certain pleasures as a
token of
>>>>>>>> repentance. Priests can forgive the guilt of mortal sins, but
cannot remit
>>>>>>>> the penalty which must be paid through the performance of good
works which
>>>>>>>> he chooses to prescribe. Under penalty of committing a mortal
sin, every
>>>>>>>> Roman Catholic is required to go to confession at least once a
year.
>>>>>>>> However, the Bible gives no sup****t for private (auricular)
confession to
>>>>>>>> a priest for receiving the forgiveness of sins. Furthermore,
this practice
>>>>>>>> didn't originate until the 5th century and wasn't officially
made
>>>>>>>> compulsory until the Fourth Laterin Council in 1215 A.D. Even
the Catholic
>>>>>>>> Bible challenges the concept of Catholic confession on the
grounds that no
>>>>>>>> mortal man possesses the power to forgive or absolve sins, and
clearly
>>>>>>>> reveals that God alone can forgive sins; "WHO CAN FORGIVE SINS
BUT ONLY
>>>>>>>> GOD?" (Mk. 2:7, C.R.V.). No priest has the authority to forgive
sins but
>>>>>>>> "the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt.
9:6,
>>>>>>>> J.B.V.).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By establi****ng a priest as the official forgiver of sins, the
Catholic
>>>>>>>> Church usurps Christ's exclusive position and authority to act
as the
>>>>>>>> mediator between God and man: "For there is only one God, and
there is
>>>>>>>> only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ
Jesus" (I
>>>>>>>> Tim 2:5, J.B.V.; see also Heb. 8:6; 9:15). The Bible further
declares
>>>>>>>> that, "if any one should sin, we have our advocate with the
Father, Jesus
>>>>>>>> Christ, who is just" (I Jn. 2:1 J.B.V.).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Scriptures also teach that each individual Christian has the
privilege
>>>>>>>> of going directly to God for forgiveness: "but if we acknowledge
our sins,
>>>>>>>> then God. . .will forgive our sins and purify us from everything
that is
>>>>>>>> wrong" (I Jn., 1:9, J.B.V.). Even Peter confirmed that men
receive the
>>>>>>>> remission of sins directly from Christ not through priests: "all
who
>>>>>>>> believe in Jesus will have their sins forgiven through his
name" (Acts
>>>>>>>> 10:43, J.B.V.;see also Acts 13:38, 39).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gee, the Bible says followers of Christ can't forgive sins, huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(John 20:21-23 NIV) Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the
Father has
>>>>>>>sent me, I am sending you." {22} And with that he breathed on them
and said,
>>>>>>>"Receive the Holy Spirit. {23} If you forgive anyone his sins,
they are
>>>>>>>forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyone care to explain that away?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me try to see if I understand their argument (see JW, I
>>>>>>listen...): That means that Jesus says that if you forgive Bob his
sin
>>>>>>against you, then Bob is forgiven as far as you are concerned. If
Bob
>>>>>>forgives Joan, then Joan is forgiven. *But*: You cannot forgive
Bob
>>>>>>for sins he commits against Joan!
>>>>>
>>>>>Correct!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My problem with this is that it seems to be pretty much common
>>>>>>sense--
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree. NOW.
>>>>>
>>>>>was Jesus really telling us that it's okay to forgive people?
>>>>>Not exactly. HE was telling us that, as of His declaration (He IS
God,
>>>>>remember? God, with the power and authority to forgive sin.), we had
>>>>>the power WITHIN our selves (how did it get there?) to forgive.
>>>>>
>>>>>What Alberich is suffering from is 2,000 years old hind-sight.
Simply
>>>>>because we take that fact for granted, does NOT mean the Jews did
for
>>>>>several thousand years, or that the apostles/disciples did in their
>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>If one studies "forgiveness" and "repentance" all the way back to
>>>>>Genesis, we find that forgiveness/repentance weren't available or
>>>>>sufficient merely by going to the guy you got mad at and punched
out.
>>>>>You might say to him the next day, "I'm sorry, forgive me!"
However,
>>>>>that did NOT square things with God, and an animal had to be
>>>>>sacrificed to pay for that sin. (Sounds like Alberich has forgotten
>>>>>about OT sacrifice to me) And one didn't just go to the temple daily
>>>>>to sacrifice and gain forgiveness. It was complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jesus' as of His coming and providing His blood (and in anticipation
>>>>>of that event) said, " I now provide you DIRECTLY the power to
forgive
>>>>>those sins.
>>>>
>>>>Okay. Assume this is true.
>>>
>>>"Assume this is true..." ?????
>>>
>>>That is what the text says! AGAIN, have you NEVER heard of systematic
>>>theology? You must make your "understanding" of the passage fit with
>>>all related text in the entire Bible.
>>
>>If you want to go with plain meanings, John, explain John 6!!!
>>
>>
>>> If Jesus directly gave all of us the
>>>>power to forgive one another's sins, He made *us* gods.
>>>
>>>THAT is what is called "REASON" superseding REVELATION. IOW, if it
>>>doesn't make sense to you, feel free to disregard it.
>>
>>No...if it doesn't make sense to me, I question it.
>Yep. A lot of things in the Bible don't make sense to those who are
>peri****ng (the unsaved). And you have yet to give any sort of
>testimony (required by God) to prove that you ARE born again. If you
>AREN'T born again (Holy Spirit filled--He is the teacher), a LOT of
>stuff in the Bible won't make sense.
>
> The Lord knows
>>how people think.
>
>Yes, He does. He knows how Christians think, He knows how Jews think;
>He knows how Muslims think, and He knows how atheists think. He also
>knows how pretenders think (that is, those who claim Him as their own,
>but who are lying or fooling themselves) I believe YOU fall into that
>final category.
>
>Ergo, He'll make revelation so that we can actually
>>*understand* it.
>
>The Bible and revelation are a closed book to unbelievers. And MANY of
>your misunderstandings and non understandings and rebuttals indicate
>that the Holy Spirit does NOT indwell you.
so if you aren't saved, you aren't saved.
and if you think you understand the bible, then you might be saved
> HE, you see, is the
>teacher. And as much as you rip into non-Catholics, there's an
>interesting phenomenon world-wide. I can hop a plane in Seattle and
>fly to Jamaica, THOUSANDS of miles away, and I'll go to the nearest
>Baptist church and find other born again believers with whom I will
>agree on 95% of all things Biblical and 98% of all things related
>directly to Christianity. I'll hop back on that plane and fly to
>China, and locate an underground Chinese Christian church (the REAL
>Chinese Christians), and I'll quiz them. Same #s as above.
>
>IOW, anywhere on the PLANET I go and find those who say, "Yes, I'm a
>non-RCC, non-Pentecostal born again Christian (each word a critical
>word) and find myself 98% in agreement with them. The Holy Spirit is
>teaching us virtually the same thing. Without it being God, that just
>isn't possible.
>
>And I do not mean "What day should we wor****p? Sabbath or Sunday?"
>"Should we use wine or grape juice in our services?" "Did Jesus
>actually create wine or grape juice?" "Were the 1st C Christians
>REALLY drinking fermented wine AT CHURCH?" Those are
>"non-essentials."
>
>If I ask one of these Jamaican or Chinese Christians, "Do you pray to
>Mary?" I'll get "OF COURSE not!"
>
>(I have a Russian Orthodox friend, and when I asked him, he laughed.
>"You've been talking with too many Roman Catholics", he said.)
>
>If I ask those same Christians, "Do you have "statues" in your church?
>Do you kneel before them in prayer?" I'll get, "First of all, statutes
>of the "saints" in church are actually called "idols." And they're
>forbidden."
>
and yet, if you as a catholic if he prays to idols, he will say 'der,
no'
>etc
>
>If the non-RCC Christians are merely heretics who have left the "true
>faith", the "First Church", how come we've NEVER met, NEVER studied
>together, yet in ALL key areas of doctrine AND theology, we agree?
>The Holy Spirit is teaching us!
uhmm, are you really so blind as to think that? You have a book that
was sent to all those groups, and you are identifying only with those
people who have made the same conclusions as you. You said yer going
to people who call themselves baptists. That means they're baptists,
so, no ****, they agree with you on 'the esssentials'
>
>Thereby proving that YOU are the odd-man-out.
>
>You do not consider the Holy Spirit and the Bible (our two most
>im****tant teachers) the final authority. Anything stamped "Rome
>Approved" is your authority; IOW, MEN, not God.
>
>Else, why would your rules keep changing? MY rules haven't changed
>since I was 5 years old
you never grew out of you adolescent indoctrination? interesting....
>and was aware that there WERE rules.
>
>What good would it be otherwise?
>
>What good is it to follow men RATHER than God?
you only think you are following god and not men.
> And I point out again
>that you CONTINUE to refuse to back up your "faith" with a TESTIMONY.
>Meaning you fool only you.
why do you think anyone owes -you- a testamony?
>
>>
>>>God can do anything He wants. He can give us the power to forgive
>>>those who sin against us. (check the Lord's Prayer)
>>>I also said that we must #1 gain the forgiveness/repent to people we
>>>sin against, AND repent/gain forgiveness from God.
>>>BOTH!
>>>You seem only to retain those details that you feel you can argue
>>>against.
>>
>>No...but I don't discuss those things we *agree* on. That only seems
>>self-congratulatory.
>>
>Sidestep.
>>
>>>And AGAIN, I grow tired of the endless debate.
>>
>>Endless?
>
>SEEMINGLY endless debate.
>
>jw
>>
>>
>>>You may find the Bible a fun topic of "discussion/debate"; I don't.
>>>And it's my choice when I see ongoing resistance to what I see as "The
>>>Truth" to disengage.
>>
>>Fair enough. Good bye.
>
>If I see an intelligent question / remark, I may rejoin you. But at
>this time, I see it a waste of energy. I have not swayed you one
>millimeter.
>
why would anything you are saying 'sway' anyone? You are simply
berating someone for not being a baptist, and saying they are going to
hell unless they agree with you. what was that about not following
men?
>I am here seeking those who are thirsty for the gospel. You believe
>you were "born again" your first week on this earth.
>
>
> AC 2:21 And everyone who calls
> on the name of the Lord will be saved.'
>
>
>How does a newborn "...call on the name of the Lord..."?
>
>
>---> 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common.
>( How does a newborn "believe"?)
>
>45 Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had
>need.
>46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts.
>They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere
>hearts,
>47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord
>added to their number daily those who were being saved.
>
>
> AC 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no
>other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
>
>NOT Rome, NOT the pip, NOT John Paul II, NOT Mary, "Queen of Heaven",
>NOT Pete
>
>The Lord Jesus Christ.
>
>
> AC 11:11 "Right then three men who had been sent to me from
>Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12 The Spirit told
>me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers
>also went with me, and we entered the man's house. 13 He told us how
>he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, `Send to Joppa for
>Simon who is called Peter. 14 He will bring you a message through
>which you and all your household will be saved.'
>
>
>A passage YOU probably LOVE! Yet if we apply "systematic theology"
>(making each passage conform to the others, when possible)
>Comparing v 14 above with the passages above it, the meaning becomes
>clear here.
>
>Acts 11:14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your
>household will be saved.'
>
>The Holy Spirit (who knows all things) OBVIOUSLY knew that all the
>members of the household to which He was sending Peter were all OLD
>ENOUGH TO BELIEVE.
>
> And THAT interpretation fits all the FACTS we have about that
>occasion. Otherwise, why would the Holy Spirit have ALREADY insisted
>several times previously that BELIEVERS are "saved." It does NOT say,
>"believers and their children."
>
so how is it that children and babies and whatnot are saved?
>Another comment is made here, in a different ****tion of the same
>passage, that proves the falseness of the RCC teaching.
>
> AC 10:9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey
>and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He
>became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was
>being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and
>something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four
>corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as
>reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him,
>"Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
>
> AC 10:14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten
>anything impure or unclean."
>
> AC 10:15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call
>anything impure that God has made clean."
>
if god made it clean then why all the babble?
>You claim that "purgatory" is required to "cleanse" us from our sins.
>You reject the cleansing Christ perfected with His blood on the cross.
>
>The Holy Spirit told Peter (your pope, chuckle)
>
> AC 10:15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call
>anything impure that God has made clean."
>
>And I tell YOU, Alberich:
>
> AC 10:15 "...Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
>
how does this demonstrate the falsness of RC teachings regarding
purgatory?
>Your continued demonstrated ignorance of the Bible and of Grace and
>salvation is appalling and disgusting. Even when the Truth is pointed
>out to you in black and white, as above, you CONTINUE to dodge and
>prefer the teachings of men.
how was that black and white? Some guy has a hallucination about
animals scurrying about on a towel from the sky?
>
>You continue to proclaim that we "need" the A. What is so precious a
>teaching in the A that isn't AMPLY covered in the 66 book non-Roman
>Bible?
>
>Answer: NOTHING.
>
>If I'm wrong, and you can prove that there is VITAL teaching in the A,
>let's hear it!
>
who cares if it has a vital teaching, if its inspired, doesn't it
belong there? or are you suggesting only non overlapping books be in
the bible?
>One of the rules for canonizing the 66-book Bible we use (there HAD to
>be SOME way to determine which books were worthy; there were MANY more
>than we used that were available) is that each book we used was
>required to teach something VITAL to the message, a truth that was
>found in no other book.
>
whats the truth unique truth in them then? where was this systematic
study done?
>THAT's how we kept the text pure.
i thought god was supposed to take care of that for you?
> How did YOUR "scholars" keep the
>text pure? Or did they even try?
>
>Comparing your Bible with ours, there simply isn't anything missing
>from ours.
>
>And, frankly, as a professional writer with MULTIPLE awards for my
>writing, the A--the few passages I've read--reads like a bad novel.
are you talking about soft core **** novels that you write again???
>
>
>
>jw
>
>>
>>Alberich
>
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>, Alberich
<Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2004 09:02:19 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive:yes
> >On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:10:46 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>... ...
> >>>So we can
> >>>verify/compare and be sure it's all compatible. The torn veil gives
> >>>us DIRECT access to God. We have NO need of a priest.
> >>
> >>Nor, then, a church, or even gathering "two or more" at one place.
> >
> >The text neither says nor hints at that. AGAIN, you violate
> >systematic theology.
>
> So if there is no need for a priest for (1) Forgiveness, (2)
> Salvation, (3) Understanding the Word of God, or (4) Community with
> God, of what use is a Church?
>
** ... [A] short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of
the
Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who
professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for
enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State;
that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been
adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere
contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men
not
being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down
their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves
are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of
Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Samuel Kercheval, 1810 from the Library of
America
edition of Jefferson's writings
>
> >And I grow increasingly weary of you continuing to argue rather than
> >meditate on my POV and the scriptures I present in sup****t. ALL you
> >are doing is getting a NOTION of what I said and then da****ng to your
> >A or the Catechism for a rebuttal.
>
> 1. I don't meditate on your POV--I think about it.
** meditating is defined as a mental exercise in Webster's D.
>And afterwards, I
> think of whether or not that makes sense with the rest of the Bible.
> (That, I think, is called systemic exegesis--I could be wrong.)
>
** That's correct. However, there are two flavors of exegesis: 1. with
an agenda and 2. without an agenda. The Douai Bible I read seemingly
does
not fit #2.
>...
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Subject: Re: Serve Satan - Sup****t Bush
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:16:44 -0500
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On 27 Feb 2004 22:00:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:28:46 -0500, Truth wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:09:25 -0500, "Tom" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><Truth> wrote in message news:so0t305qqcpnhjoqhaguugjnvd3b8p83oe@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Do you believe in the god Bush claims would talk to him?
>>>>
>>>> Is your deity the one responsible for all the Bush terrorisms?
>>>
>>>Do you think it would be too much to ask
>>
>>Read and answer the question if you can.
>>
>>Do you believe in the god Bush claims would talk to him?
>
>Yes. God will talk to anyone, including Satan himself.
>
>jw
So the 'God' who talks to Bush told him to attack people
for no good reason, and you believe in that 'God'? Why?
>>Is your deity the one responsible for all the Bush terrorisms?
>>
>>
>>On 26 Feb 2004 22:57:12 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:50:26 -0600, King Johnny <here@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>W's Reality Gap
>>>>http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17907
>>>>
>>>>/ / Whenever President Bush is now confronted with an
>>>>unacceptable reality, he either changes the subject -
>>>>is steroid use really more im****tant than the environment?
>>>>- or expresses confidence in his certainty. "I'm absolutely
>>>>confident that..." he'll say, as if the issue is his
>>>>determination rather than his conclusion. \ \
>>>
>>>Take this back to alt.politics!
>>>
>>>jw
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's his faith infinitive as the antiChrist, where he
>>>>has hypnotized the dopey with merely the power of
>>>>suggestion, that has brought him to US as foolishly not
>>>>conceiving, or most im****tantly, truly understanding.
>>>>So, do we feel sorry for his ignorance as fallibility we
>>>>are all prone to own as the human rendition? No. But
>>>>for stupidity thinking he could murder US as the
>>>>innocent to steal our free values, and just get away
>>>>with it by lying to no one continually, is where the
>>>>Lord makes our stand for God unseen as miraculous.
>>>>
>>>>The demon bush dictate is not exceptable for my just
>>>>little man universe. I knows too much about freedom to
>>>>go on dying in bush's forsaken place as innocent
>>>>sacrifice. With cor****ate america's unarrested demon
>>>>bush forcing my hand, I would decide to defend by
>>>>concluding, he is truly, the enemy of all America.
>>>>America: weak without leader****p, yes, but not as dumb
>>>>as some would have us believe. When is it that we feel
>>>>sorry for the thousands of lives bush's deliberate
>>>>actions of mass murder have taken for no good reasons?
>>>>Their ain't nobody to defend america's overlord, but
>>>>through cor****ate censor****p of the reality of who's
>>>>really dying for the demon bush liar. I'm the one
>>>>anyone would ever have a legitimate fear of getting on
>>>>the wrong side of, and if your not in the process of
>>>>attempting to get away with murdering some defenseless
>>>>family for nothing but to rob from; to each, his or her
>>>>own, mostly, right?
>>>>
>>>>JW
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>'Five Lies' Lives On
>>>>http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17912
>>>>
>>>>/ / Why, then, had the re****ts become so shrill on the topic
>>>>[of Iraq] after Bush's inauguration, presenting the same
>>>>intelligence with a completely different interpretation? After
>>>>all, the CIA even had the same director under Both Clinton
>>>>and Bush.
>>>>
>>>>..."You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice
>>>>saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium
>>>>centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's just
>>>>a lie." \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Uncle Sap Suckered Again
>>>>http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2023
>>>>
>>>>/ / "We are heroes in error.... As far as we're concerned we've
>>>>been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the
>>>>Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not im****tant.
>>>>The Bush administration is looking for a scapegoat. We're ready
>>>>to fall on our swords if he wants."
>>>>
>>>>So we lied. So shoot us. Who cares what the Americans say,
>>>>anyway: they're stuck in Iraq, and there's no backing out
>>>>of it now. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>/ / ...12. True or false: At a Pennsylvania hunt involving the
release
>>>>of five hundred pen-raised pheasants, Vice-President Dick Cheney
>>>>refused to participate, asking, “Where’s the s****t in shotgunning
>>>>a bunch of tame birds?” \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=1996
>>>>
>>>>/ / While Perle was confidently concurring with fellow Defense
>>>>Policy Board member Ken Adelman's prediction that the conquest
>>>>and occupation of Iraq would be a "cakewalk," a State Department
>>>>study (shelved by the neocons) accurately foretold the mess we
>>>>find ourselves in today.
>>>>
>>>>So, tell me again why it is that Tenet has to step down.
>>>>
>>>>Perle is right when he says:
>>>>
>>>>"I think, of course, heads should roll. When you discover that
>>>>you have an organization that doesn't get it right time after
>>>>time, you change the organization, including the people."
>>>>
>>>>Heads should roll, alright: starting with Perle's, and don't
>>>>think he doesn't know it. That's what the chutzpah strategy is
>>>>all about: brazening it out.
>>>>
>>>>...But if you look at the National Intelligence Estimate,
>>>>a document prepared by the White House with input from all
>>>>agencies, the section on Iraq, which postulates a whole arsenal
>>>>of active WMD, is filled with dissenting footnotes authored by
>>>>the very agencies Perle would purge:
>>>>
>>>>....Dick Cheney's henchmen were feeding both the President and
>>>>the country a strict diet of pure science fiction and fantasy
>>>>authored by the Office of Special Plans: in a very short time
>>>>a whole new genre of speculative fiction was spawned by the
>>>>neocons.
>>>>
>>>>...Mired in scandal, and hardly a team player of the sort that
>>>>is supposed to be typical of Team Bush, here is someone who
>>>>openly calls for the resignation of top officials and refuses
>>>>to take any responsibility for the failure of policies that he
>>>>championed. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>W's Reality Gap
>>>>http://www.alternet.org/mobile/story_mobile.html?StoryID=17907
>>>>
>>>>/ / [of bush's falsehoods to Freedom's America] his policy
>>>>process is more catechismic than empiric – instead of facts
>>>>leading to conclusions, conclusions lead to "facts."
>>>>
>>>>Second, he is openly uninterested in learning and reading
>>>>– the Bushes "aren't serious, studious readers" he has said,
>>>>also admitting that he now reads headlines, not articles. The
>>>>point is not that he's stupid, only that he knew less about
>>>>policy and the world as a presidential candidate than the average
>>>>graduate student in government. Lacking Eisenhower's worldliness
>>>>or JFK's intellect, however, Bush is prone to grab onto a
>>>>politically useful intellectual framework like a life preserver
>>>>and then not let go – whether it's Myron Magnet's sour
>>>>interpretation of the 60s in "The Dream and the Nightmare" or
>>>>Paul Wolfowitz's Pollyannaish analysis of the likely consequences
>>>>of an American invasion of Iraq.
>>>>
>>>>The result: the most radical, messianic and misleading presidency
>>>>of modern times.\ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>When the ‘Big Lie’ Becomes the Truth
>>>>http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402B.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / What these revelations suggest is that President Bush has now
>>>>been exposed as an outright liar and war criminal `from within',
>>>>by several of his trusted appointees and close collaborators.
>>>>And that he's going to be running for office, in November 2004,
>>>>with this record. \ \
>>>>
>>>>It's like some ultimate battle of faith between
>>>>freedom's true as life call censored, and the criminal
>>>>intentions of flagrant bu****e evil, as though bought
>>>>for already by news programing. There ain't no real
>>>>King and Lord of Creation who calls the media up alone
>>>>as John again to protect our throne, so instead, give
>>>>your life and country unjustly in silence to the lawless
>>>>bushmob in unholy sacrifice for plunder, as your,
>>>>un-chosen dictator.
>>>>
>>>>King Johnny wants America's mass murderers, demon bush
>>>>and dummy rummy immediately arrested for public trial,
>>>>or executed for nearly escaping the crimes starting on
>>>>9/11 in New York City.
>>>>
>>>>It will be done, in our kingdom to come. ..or.. maybe
>>>>I'll decide to just give up on this whole show for now,
>>>>and go back to the rehearsal stage... Doh!
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>U.S. pays millions to discredited Iraqis
>>>>http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/nation/8010694.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / The letter, a copy of which was obtained by Knight Ridder,
>>>>said the information went directly to "U.S. government
>>>>recipients" who included William Luti, a senior official
>>>>in Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld's office, and
>>>>John Hannah, a top national security aide to Cheney.
>>>>
>>>>The letter appeared to contradict denials made last year
>>>>by top Pentagon officials that they were receiving
>>>>intelligence on Iraq that bypassed established channels
>>>>and vetting procedures. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bypassing America as undefended freedom,, sacrificed to
>>>>die for slavery under the unconstitutional as blatant
>>>>evil, bu****e decrees. Demon bush tells America, and
>>>>indeed the World, since 9/11, evidence will no longer be
>>>>a requirement to convince US who is a mass murderer, and
>>>>cor****ate news america sells on without the human
>>>>opinion present evaluating his true asking price. Man,
>>>>that demon bush is sure one true evil bastard when you
>>>>think of what he, rummy, and Ashcroft is stealing in our
>>>>names censored through nazi fascism. [Granted, I am
>>>>literate.]
>>>>
>>>>God or no God, I don't like that demon antiChrist, Our
>>>>Mr. bush Jr. very much.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Democracy How?
>>>>http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/3/collier-r.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / "The database is comprehensive, extremely detailed,
>>>>and at least 97 percent accurate, with every safeguard
>>>>possible to cross-check the records," said Ahmed
>>>>al-Mukhtar, a Trade Ministry official who is overall
>>>>director of the ration system. "If you gave me one
>>>>month and enough paper, I could open registration to
>>>>anyone who was exiled, allow them to register, and then
>>>>I would give you a complete electoral roll." Even British
>>>>occupation officials in southern Iraq have re****tedly
>>>>endorsed this proposal. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By Annan not publicly addressing this very serious
>>>>issue, will not be fooling me he hasn't heard it
>>>>mentioned. The families of Iraq are accounted almost
>>>>entirely by "comprehensive, extremely detailed"
>>>>measurements. So what the hell is going on about
>>>>sup****ting our world community by not condemning war
>>>>crimes?, Just where is Annan on the issue of an
>>>>international commitment kept I want asked religiously
>>>>across this world. Now.
>>>>
>>>>Boy, if I were make believe King...
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>How the war on terror has become a war on freedom
>>>>http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/10493.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / From the moment we followed George Bush into war, our certainty
>>>>as a future target was assured. So, eternal vigilance is little
>>>>more than common sense. Expenditure on sound intelligence is
>>>>clearly essential. Diluting legal rights and dispensing first
>>>>and second-class justice is is not just totally unacceptable but,
>>>>in truth, another victory for terrorism. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Terrorism of the worst kind for God's America. GET BUSH NOW!
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>> Falling for You
>>>>
>>>>Brahimi said. "We need to organize elections as early
>>>>as possible but not as early as impossible."
>>>>
>>>>Help me understand: Why can not Iraq start on the
>>>>process of
>>>>
>>>> O R G A N I Z I N G E L E C T I O N S
>>>>
>>>>NOW to work towards gaining accountability for soon as
>>>>possible? After June? What the... Can't we people
>>>>talk while walking? Look, the future is likely coming no
>>>>matter what, and what ever illegitimate government is
>>>>embarrassingly stalled by evil WMD proliferator baathist
>>>>bremer to steal unaccounted American tax dollars from
>>>>the "willing" victims dying, (like by bush ***** cluster
>>>>dud) will still necessitate the need, to have started on
>>>>the process of fair elections for our Iraq before hand.
>>>>Cor****ate america might not care of sacrificing America
>>>>to rob from, but real People are honorable, and won't
>>>>reserve the scourge of nazi bu****izm a place to suffer
>>>>any further if we can help it.
>>>>
>>>>The bu****es are sorrily, simply not qualified under the
>>>>dire circumstances they've assaulted ourselves into for
>>>>mugger war profitizing, as leading US to be dying
>>>>undefended while failing miserably on my behalf to
>>>>demand Justice as freedom is truly.
>>>>
>>>>Now, it has been vaguely suggested that a, steven "you
>>>>can't have public health care or he'll murder whomever
>>>>for thinking" russell, or a buford "bush *****" blount
>>>>as treasonous evil nazi bushwhore, to undermine freedom
>>>>and democracy everywheres in our world might cowardly
>>>>attack defenseless innocent families at the polls while
>>>>leaving "bin Laden" fingerprints, criminally warring to
>>>>kill more American dumdums for commi Halliburton et al,
>>>>continuing committing as unaccounted massive waste in
>>>>America by over billing the dying People. Why would
>>>>bu****es do this? Evil is blind irrationality,
>>>>disguised as thought out faithfully by fascists. The,
>>>>nothing to fear suggestible absolute nature of
>>>>non-linerality, is 99.9 percent, super fractal wowy
>>>>miraculous as crazy about the fringes, (or is that
>>>>bridges?). But, without Justice ruling our stay, we
>>>>leave for a Heaven waiting, on a sea of madness as
>>>>enemies of life to all things eternally being.
>>>>Translated: We need to arrest these specific war
>>>>criminals at the end of our, ready to fire rifles. Done
>>>>to stop them personally, from robbing or murdering
>>>>America indiscriminately as enemies to everyone. But in
>>>>addition to that, (like at the same time) who says the
>>>>polls can't be stretched out over several days or a
>>>>week, with multiple options on submitting votes
>>>>registered through the oil-for-food program? I want to
>>>>know where Annan is on this., why it can't be done., and
>>>>what his position is on returning the Iraqi Humanitarian
>>>>aid stolen by Halliburton, or Iraqi Central Bank
>>>>deposits cashed by HAS TO BE, current pirates. Annan,
>>>>be a man, an acknowledge our presence as relevantly
>>>>im****tant for our world's living sake.
>>>>
>>>>We had 100 percent access throughout Iraq prior to
>>>>allowing bush, rumsfeld, and franks to sacrifice
>>>>literally thousands of innocent lives. Who are now DEAD
>>>>or DYING NEEDLESSLY as first degree murder victims, in
>>>>some bastardized Lord's name apparently.
>>>>
>>>>(Quick, somebody call upon everyone to get up off their
>>>>knees, God's coming to read as one person today of the
>>>>unbound wonder of what it is to be uniquely ourselves
>>>>within a **** sunrise grinning. To make some progress
>>>>forward for a better future, we're not meant to just
>>>>pray for someone else to come and stop whom from
>>>>cheating who of Liberty? What is it that you can't
>>>>think of? Every wonder? Who wouldn't do God a favor if
>>>>they could imagine so brightly. Who's stopping you from
>>>>defeating tyrant bush as war criminal, but for only
>>>>yourself contained by his continuing bad example? Tell
>>>>you what: let's together find ourselves of one mind on
>>>>putting the bushmob behind bars awaiting immediate
>>>>public trail, and I'll promise to try visiting them
>>>>every year, just to see how things are developing. Or
>>>>instead just shoot bush and rummy for almost escaping
>>>>Operation Infinite Justice of a real American Patriot
>>>>soldier's undying love for his soul brother.)
>>>>
>>>>Any improvements of the current situation in Iraq today,
>>>>are going to be less that what would have costed to not
>>>>kill innocent people for nothing but evil bu****e war
>>>>profitizing at it's level worst in this history ever of
>>>>all Humanity recorded. The demon antiChrist of
>>>>cor****ate america has got to go, and he's got to go
>>>>immediately as arrested or shot dead by the Patriots for
>>>>treason, before he causes US anymore needless losses and
>>>>grief to our friends and family. Like for the next
>>>>fifty or so generations what with the plutonium being
>>>>fed blindly as willed to cowardly, weak, American teen
>>>>enemy bu****e soldiers presently. (If we could seperate
>>>>the bu****es from the rest of US, this might be a good
>>>>thing, but they have no real leader****p to speak about
>>>>freely as the dying stupidly.(PRINT THIS PAPER AND MAIL
>>>>IT EVERYWHERE))
>>>>
>>>>DYING like those from 9/11 did, or dying slower, like
>>>>with NYC air quality as best Oz has to offer. (Harmless
>>>>cor****ate TV tells US without opinion.) Either or even
>>>>in other ways, the demon bush is truly killing God's
>>>>America in Your name not heard from. Help me you idiot.
>>>>You! Yes you there, reading here. I am your secret
>>>>friend see?, and.. well.. the Universe needs your help
>>>>desperately pal. Please? For me? ..Oh God help me
>>>>your really dumb without you aren't I too? Listen: we
>>>>need to talk.
>>>>
>>>>We are here to save all of creation from needless death.
>>>>Big deal. Your are of a real eternal nature, that
>>>>exists also, (as understood scientifically) timeless.
>>>>For real. (The big bang is now. (All mass is also of
>>>>not as seperate energy, then there's our gravity...))
>>>>Our possibilities for a great, better future are
>>>>staggering, if we are capable collectively as
>>>>individuals to defeat the "kindness" of George W. bush,
>>>>the dying embodiment of evil as the very true demon
>>>>antiChrist of all biblical references ever mentioned.
>>>>His lying isn't just deceitful, it is downright hellish.
>>>>
>>>>You know what I think? The evil enemies of Humanity,
>>>>don't want US People to be recognized from being victims
>>>>under tyranny through cor****ate cult censor****p.
>>>>Without Justice ruling our ways under the irrational
>>>>criminal bushmob dictate, we lose as losers cheating
>>>>ourselves as not worth the consideration to be free
>>>>individuals.
>>>>
>>>>Granted, I am an actual god familiar with the rights
>>>>present within the Constitution of America. THEE God's
>>>>god, here to teach the world about needless sacrifice,
>>>>caused primarily, for the effects of inflated egg shell
>>>>egos. As Creator, I goofed somewhere in the, order to
>>>>chaos mixer. I didn't plan (it was a mistake) for
>>>>Americans to be so cowardly and weak when it comes to
>>>>defending their very own selves from needless death and
>>>>sorrow through blatant, ****d, how can you miss it, evil
>>>>criminal enterprises. So, perhaps, now if I stop
>>>>writing, and fake I flied off vamoosed into the
>>>>unknowable, a couple people on the planet might go
>>>>'hmpht', and decide to carry on bravely, the real,
>>>>honest to death struggle for freedom living without me
>>>>as sorrily missed. (I as John am not anything special
>>>>paradoxically.) This is fear itself, ain't nobody
>>>>nowhere as terrifyingly terrifiable as this is just
>>>>truly super terrific being only my simple written
>>>>taughts, yet, ... I'm like.. just fiction writer, big
>>>>dreamer Johnny Wizard, looking for some happiness, human
>>>>respect, and a good last supper before I check out from
>>>>this made by the earthling "space explorers" dungeon
>>>>cell.
>>>>
>>>>But who cares about me, or my great, he thinks he's so
>>>>brilliant ideas? Everything's seriously a pain to him
>>>>sometimes, and he talks to himself like he's the, been
>>>>here and gone as eons now, King of the Universe for the
>>>>holy Word from the Heavens above or something. What a
>>>>poor dying fool to chance that anyone would willingly
>>>>help themselves by caring for someone. ..You know, I'm
>>>>beginning to not be all that crazy about the demon bush
>>>>liar continuing to war humanity in my own true name also
>>>>now that I think of life in this way honestly. H-e..Y -!
>>>>(Morningstar has been accused of a lot of things, but
>>>>you'll notice, always plays fair as your rules.))
>>>>
>>>>What freedom in Iraq will come that allows a, buford
>>>>blount to walk unaccosted by 'legal' services? Or where
>>>>rummy's cluster dud advocates gain silent gratitude? A
>>>>nation high-jacked by bremer's buddies who illegally
>>>>sold Saddam WMD, then the product wisely gets destroyed
>>>>as functionally useless being primarily indiscriminate
>>>>warfare, then bremer's buddies come in again and murder
>>>>untold thousands upon thousands, all because your magic
>>>>TV is letting them get away with it as considered too
>>>>embarrassing to the billionaire private stake holders.
>>>>Fuk you cor****ate american Human haters for not
>>>>re****ting the bu****es as war crime sup****ters.
>>>>
>>>>Where in the real world are the nazi bu****es gonna
>>>>demand we go to allow 'them' to continue warring the
>>>>Constitution while wearing a bu****e soldier's uniform
>>>>in their dying universes of Universe? Leaderless
>>>>cor****ate america?, injured and dying as the unjustly
>>>>starving? What can the bu****es do now in Iraq, that
>>>>they couldn't do before the needless murder of untold
>>>>thousands upon thousands of innocent people with loving
>>>>families? Before dumping thousands of tons of
>>>>radio-active toxic waste as enemies of God's children?
>>>>Only to rob, maim, and destroy God's great work through
>>>>Love. We had complete unrestricted access throughout
>>>>Iraq, and Saddam was offering the national media for
>>>>bush to pontificate, while not refusing dialog for any
>>>>suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>I ask:
>>>>
>>>>Can not America invite me formally for brunch, by
>>>>somehow bypassing the war mongering nazi tyrant held up
>>>>in the Oval office? I'd invite you all, but my place is
>>>>still a mess, and I'm stuck eating for survival just
>>>>now. I don't qualify for help, because surely, a person
>>>>with your talents, should have someone willing to stave
>>>>you off the, who cares about saving the world for you
>>>>buddy, laughing in all seriousness shtick. (cool eh?)
>>>>
>>>>I give you my world:
>>>>
>>>>To save humanity from tyranny will be accomplished
>>>>through the value of these free ideals recognized.
>>>>
>>>>Isn't life grand sometimes when the bu****es aren't
>>>>needlessly murdering our innocent families in your name?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I again,
>>>>will now leave
>>>>you without me,
>>>>
>>>>forever loved,
>>>>
>>>>Johnny Wizard - Your "other" parent or guardian advising
>>>>you to immediately, by Citizen Right, arrest the
>>>>President's 'cabal' in the name of the Lord, who already
>>>>died for this once already god damn it, and I'm not
>>>>sacrificing any longer unknown as forgotten in the
>>>>absence of any true reason to our existence, I want to
>>>>celebrate. I want to afford a cold brew to nuzzle on a
>>>>warm sunny afternoon, at a hideaway somewhere, lost
>>>>in my comforts of having few real worries, but for
>>>>unintentionally offending someone for not having the
>>>>time to except their generous sup****t, or gratitude.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/usandun/04021901.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / "We need to find a mechanism to create a caretaker
>>>>government and then help prepare the elections later
>>>>- sometime later in the future," he added. Mr Annan
>>>>said that there was "wide agreement" \ \
>>>>
>>>>Unelected care taking government? What is the group
>>>>their now supposedly doing? Where in the process is
>>>>cor****ate america to simply fix the Russian generators
>>>>they've been paid over and over again already for as
>>>>doing nothing in The People's interests?, As unaccounted
>>>>to? Where is cor****ate america to fly in the emergency
>>>>food and provisions for the innocent as victimized?
>>>>Who's care will this continuing robbery of America
>>>>through war crimes further fail to serve? How can Annan
>>>>gain "wide agreement", with no poll on the issue? Who
>>>>personally did he talk to, agreeing to leave Iraq
>>>>without working for an elected government of the
>>>>People?, and who consented to give up on such dire
>>>>needs? Where is Annan on the thousands of tons of
>>>>radio-active toxic waste dumped by rotten rummy? Is it
>>>>not an issue he should personally be addressing for
>>>>Humanity, to demand an immediate clean up paid for by
>>>>those responsible? Imagine that: Truly toxic as dying,
>>>>American Patriot soldiers making it up to God's great
>>>>Creation, by hunting down the actual bad guys, who done
>>>>did crossed the wrong family this time.
>>>>
>>>>Wow, now that would be a war worth televising!
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Soldier for the Truth: Exposing Bush’s Talking-Points War
>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0220-03.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / She would soon conclude that the OSP -- a pet
>>>>project of Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense
>>>>Secretary Don Rumsfeld -- was more akin to a nerve
>>>>center for what she now calls a "neoconservative coup,
>>>>a hijacking of the Pentagon."
>>>>
>>>>...I mean, these people have total disrespect for the
>>>>Constitution. We swear an oath, military officers and
>>>>NCOs alike swear an oath to uphold the Constitution.
>>>>These people have no respect for the Constitution. The
>>>>Congress was misled, it was lied to. At a very minimum
>>>>that is a subversion of the Constitution. A pre-emptive
>>>>war based on what we knew was not a pressing need is
>>>>not what this country stands for. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>No End to War
>>>>
>>>>The Frum-Perle prescription would ensnare America in endless
conflict.
>>>>
>>>>By Patrick J. Buchanan
>>>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5712.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / And if God accepts the existence of evil, how do Frum and
>>>>Perle propose to ``end'' it? Nor can any nation ``win the war on
>>>>terror.'' Terrorism is simply a term for the murder of
>>>>non-combatants for political ends.
>>>>
>>>>...If it is America we defend, An End to Evil makes no sense.
>>>>The Perle-Frum prescription for permanent war makes sense only
>>>>if it is the mission of the armed forces of the United States to
>>>>make the Middle East safe for Sharon--and here we come to the
>>>>heart of the quarrel between us. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As you can probably guess, me and Patrick might have
>>>>some good politics to debate on that I would disagree
>>>>with him about, but I can't save enough praise for
>>>>reading this most recent informative and often
>>>>entertaining take, while reviewing about the Frum-Perle
>>>>controversy.
>>>>
>>>>I think we can all agree, both Perle and Frum are now
>>>>clinically deranged by hanging on to George W. Bush for
>>>>so long in dumbness. Do they qualify for some sort of
>>>>special treatment programs under their respective health
>>>>care plans? Strange days where we see the limited words
>>>>of a mind bound for slavery. All I wants is the war
>>>>mongering mass murders arrested for treason against the
>>>>flags of Freedom everywhere, is that to much to ask from
>>>>ourselves still God asks? (You know?, I think, i'm
>>>>getting better at this!)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>DOJ To Attempt Shut Down of 9/11 Evidence
>>>>http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00087.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / ...that the Department of Justice (DOJ) will intervene to
>>>>control access to all evidence and documents related to all
>>>>private litigation before Hellerstein's court regarding the
>>>>terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 -- citing ``grave
>>>>national security concerns'' as their motivation. \ \
>>>>
>>>>This is where most definately those responsible for 9/11
>>>>would try to control from.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. Prosecutor
>>>>http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17874
>>>>
>>>>/ / Dear Mr. Prosecutor
>>>>
>>>>...There is at least one person who knew of Valerie
>>>>Plame's relation****p to the CIA even before Novak
>>>>published his column: Clifford May.
>>>>
>>>>...Mr. May's assertions raise some troubling questions.
>>>>Exactly who were the "insiders" for whom this was
>>>>"something of an open secret?" How did they obtain
>>>>this information and why did they pass it on so readily
>>>>to someone like him?
>>>>
>>>>...Moreover, the information was not given to him under
>>>>any formal agreement of confidentiality, the likes of
>>>>which exists between a re****ter and his source. According
>>>>to Mr. May's original account, the remarks were "offhand"
>>>>and freely volunteered, without any injunctions about
>>>>their disclosure. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>And they're off!
>>>>http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=16451
>>>>
>>>>/ / As for not being a war hero, Cleland earned the
>>>>Silver Star in a separate incident that occurred just
>>>>four days before he was injured. The citation reads,
>>>>"When the battalion command post came under a heavy
>>>>enemy rocket and mortar attack, Capt. Cleland disregarded
>>>>his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as
>>>>he left his covered position to administer first aid to
>>>>his wounded comrades. He then assisted them in moving the
>>>>injured personnel to covered positions. …His gallant
>>>>action is in keeping with the highest traditions of
>>>>military service and reflects great credit upon himself,
>>>>his unit and the United States Army." \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>'We want answers: why have they been held so long without charge?'
>>>>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=493235
>>>>
>>>>/ / "I am desperately worried for Moazzam. I received a letter
>>>>from him six months ago, and I have heard nothing since. I fear
>>>>he is not in good health, and he is being tortured. I want to
>>>>go to the US and take up his case, that is all I can do." \ \
>>>>
>>>>Moazzam and his wife you'll remember, were some of the
>>>>ones teaching through the girls school running under the
>>>>Taliban. What? did a heroin pusher, like the bushmob
>>>>is, lie to you again on the reason for blindly bombing
>>>>villages in his name as tyrant deity? By CNN and CBC
>>>>not correcting ourselves, every time bush lies directly
>>>>about reality, (Saddam didn't let US in or the Taliban
>>>>sell heroin to Allah), leaves our directions for
>>>>maintaining freedom subterfuged in as real as it gets.
>>>>Life is politics, and lawless bush, he commits mass
>>>>murder to steal from the innocent. Democracy? Freedom?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Wa****ngton Post defends Bush, Iraq war against Paul O'Neill's
>>>>exposures
>>>>http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/wash-j16_prn.shtml
>>>>
>>>>/ / Until the middle of March 2003 Bush came before the American
>>>>public claiming that he had not ``made up his mind'' about war
>>>>with Iraq, that diplomacy would be pursued, that military force
>>>>would only be a last resort when all other options were exhausted,
>>>>etc., etc. O'Neill's exposures, including the existence of
>>>>documents, prepared months before the September 11 terrorist
>>>>attacks, that outlined plans for a ``post-Saddam'' Iraq and the
>>>>handing out of lucrative contracts, reveal Bush's performance as
>>>>a charade filled out with falsehoods. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't this fascinating... a post-Saddam plan to rob humanity
>>>>by killing too cowardly American Patriot Soldiers for
>>>>Halliburton and Worldcom.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>The Last Word
>>>>http://users3.cgiforme.com/htmlhelponline/messages/1708.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / It was just re****ted by Chris Marden on the 27 November
>>>>2002, that bush's top whore richard perle, has advised
>>>>Britsh MPs, that bush secretly as the anti-Christ has no
>>>>intention of allowing the Iraqi inspection process to
>>>>succeed, and instead, is committed to murder ourselves
>>>>either way. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>The "pending bonanza"
>>>>http://www.alternatives.ca/article930.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / The agency had been chasing the CPA and the UN to account for the
>>>>expenses, but was not given any answers. They quoted
>>>>one senior diplomat as saying, "We have absolutely no
>>>>idea how the money has been spent. 1 I wish I knew,
>>>>but we just don't know. We have absolutely no idea." \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>/ / Less than two weeks after the shock and bra of the Super Bowl,
>>>>Bush's congressional cronies were already holding hearings on
>>>>the matter. Compare that to the foot-dragging that followed
>>>>9/11. It took 14 months -- and a candlelight vigil outside the
>>>>White House by the victims' family members -- before the
>>>>president finally relented and the 9/11 Commission was created.
>>>>Now that's indecent. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>http://library.weltec.ac.nz/library%20web%20page/SkillZoneThinking%
20and%20Reading%20S
>>>>kills%20Exercise.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / Cancer is different in that the emergence of a cancer can
>>>>actually occur from as little as one asbestos fiber
>>>>interacting with the cell of the lungs or another cell in
>>>>the body in such a way as to start the chain of events that
>>>>creates a self-reproducing malignant cell. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Center for American Progress
>>>>http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7BE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-
5D6FF2E06E03%7D
>>>>/040218.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE KNEW:
>>>>
>>>>Reuters re****ts, "President Bush on Tuesday sought to
>>>>blunt criticism he exaggerated prewar intelligence by
>>>>saying his conclusion that Iraq had banned weapons was
>>>>shared by the U.S. Congress and the U.N. Security
>>>>Council." However, writes the NYT, that's not an accurate
>>>>****trayal of the facts. Members of "Congress say the
>>>>intelligence they were shown by the administration had
>>>>been stripped of caveats or ignored dissenting views
>>>>about the threats it pur****ted to document." \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>JFK, 9-11, and the REAL America: Tying It All Together
>>>>
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/112603Phalen/112603phalen.html
>>>>
>>>>/ /..Until the full case against Al Qa'eda is made
>>>>available for public review, we have absolutely no
>>>>assurance that this "proof" isn't exactly like the
>>>>"proof" of Iraq's weapons programs -- i.e., a big fat
>>>>lie from top to bottom. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>> New Moon
>>>>
>>>>To steal public utility services paid already as owned
>>>>completely by IRAQI, (America dying for the bu****e
>>>>American pension thieves at WorldCom or Britain's
>>>>"Dutch"-Shell,) ain't gonna change the business
>>>>locations. The evil unAmerican cop killing bu****es
>>>>think they're gonna party in Manhattan on our dime in
>>>>apartments for around $15,000 a month, while sneering at
>>>>a homeless beggar on the streets, who thought he was
>>>>still in Vietnam.
>>>>
>>>>An oil-for-Iraq program needs to be reestablished, but
>>>>transparent to all as addressing the immediate emergency
>>>>needs of Iraqis. Private, in the secret back room with
>>>>the bushmob nazi bankers, and their private inept
>>>>collaborators flustering as international fraudulent
>>>>behaviors, just wont do., try as bush might to murder
>>>>perhaps millions of Americans uncovered by his
>>>>criminally enforced, reduction in health care coverage
>>>>extravaganzas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>THE ROVING EYE IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA
>>>>Part 1 - The usual suspects
>>>>http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5146.shtml
>>>>
>>>>/ / This latest US intelligence, though, makes little
>>>>sense. For starters, al-Qaeda pigeons are highly unlikely
>>>>to move around with computer discs in their briefcases:
>>>>since early 2002 a disabled al-Qaeda has used women
>>>>couriers to deliver strictly verbal messages. \ \
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kimmitt in collusion with the bushmob perhaps? To cover
>>>>up an investigation set up to encourage the blind murder
>>>>of America as bu****e by attempting to divide all the
>>>>People of Iraq as Iraqi?, na... not in a tribal based,
>>>>enduring practically timeless, inter-woven culture.
>>>>
>>>>Those who ran public healthcare and university are all
>>>>the bad guys for thinking, the blind bu****e bigots
>>>>would conclude illegitimately., and I would say to
>>>>yourself: no, the People with equal rights to stay
>>>>united for good times, are a people sworn to uphold law
>>>>that serves our freedom's best. Iraqi assets are not
>>>>bush and bremer's right to steal without question, nor
>>>>either, American generosity swindled by WorldCom, Enron,
>>>>Dutch-Shell or Halliburton is the final, be all answer
>>>>to everything.
>>>>
>>>>You as sure would know that unjustly victimizing the
>>>>World in our name because "they" didn't believe in
>>>>blindly wor****ping with servitude, the war mongering
>>>>mass murderer demon bush liar, is freedom stolen from
>>>>any. Wide, across the board, ask anyone for comment on
>>>>where the bombs dropped from. Needlessly in bush's
>>>>name, but to war God's love, and my good life.
>>>>
>>>>Demon bush is not America, America is America.
>>>>
>>>>This is all I'm ever doing as King, but perhaps also,
>>>>not going left hungry. If you can help me help you,
>>>>we'll be set for something better.
>>>>
>>>>Truth can pose serious problems, when we idolize blindly
>>>>the evil demon antiChrist for criminal sacrifice,
>>>>instead of arresting him for 9/11 along with cheney, and
>>>>bummer rummy, the silent but radio-active cluster dud
>>>>dropper who murders American Patriots for a nickel.
>>>>
>>>>Too awe shock embarrassing is it to ameliorate for the
>>>>sake of a dying American Patriot Kimmitt?
>>>>
>>>>For, why would Laden want the bu****es to stay to
>>>>further rob America through creating instability within
>>>>his own ranks? without denouncing the demon bush war
>>>>lies, that are paying a very real price.. ? What would
>>>>it cost commi Halliburton, to face public accountability
>>>>(Democracy) in Iraq on where Iraqi money is being
>>>>misappropriated for? Do you think they'll get to keep
>>>>the oil business, to sell back to all of Iraq at
>>>>uncontested mark up freely? To steal food aid to under
>>>>pay the third world? Starving?
>>>>
>>>>To steal public utility services paid already as owned
>>>>completely by IRAQI, (America dying for the bu****e
>>>>American pension thieves at WorldCom or Britain's
>>>>"Dutch"-Shell,) ain't gonna change the public business
>>>>locations. The evil bu****es think they're gonna party
>>>>in Manhattan on our dime in apartments for around
>>>>$15,000 a month, while sneering at a homeless beggar on
>>>>the streets, who thought he was still in Vietnam.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps, he is.
>>>>
>>>>Another American soldier owes me a beer, or will be
>>>>dying to steal life from themselves as sacrificed for
>>>>the evil criminal dictate of Their Mr. bush Jr.. Don't
>>>>go silent as the unknown dying enemy to God and
>>>>humanity, stand with Justice and freedom in America for
>>>>Americans, and I swear, we won't kill ya as the good
>>>>guys in the epilogue.
>>>>
>>>>By the bushmob attempting to create unrest, so
>>>>Halliburton at al, can continue in the tommy franks
>>>>chaos to rob America blind with false billing, instead
>>>>of cash paying, is costing the lives of American teen
>>>>soldiers. Who god love'em or hate'em, don't have the
>>>>intellect to strategize their way out of an open paper
>>>>bag, never mind evil bush's false creeds without real
>>>>leader****p present as living for. Instead of bruising
>>>>our egos, the bu****es are dropping bombs illegally on
>>>>the family.
>>>>
>>>>Man.
>>>>
>>>>Ask a dying soldier how it sits to know commi
>>>>Halliburton pocketed Humanitarian Aid? Go ahead,
>>>>ask'em?! Then ask'em why they die as cowards by rummy
>>>>cluster dud for the bushmob to rob their own direct
>>>>families left unprotected? Ask'em! You know what
>>>>they'll tell you? They're not happy about these bushmob
>>>>war crimes truly destroying America in America,
>>>>"freedom", "democracy", Johnny Wizard or otherwise., Or
>>>>instead they'll mumble something incoherently while
>>>>jaunting away to murder some one found defenseless, or
>>>>innocent to pay further while dying to slave under the
>>>>criminal dictate of the really evil demon bush Jr..
>>>>
>>>>A proud bu****e is a toxic bu****e halting from warring
>>>>the innocent by stealing your human values truly.
>>>>
>>>>We need to see an apology to come from America, an
>>>>apology to Humanity for this carnage waged unnecessary,
>>>>but for these contemptible war profiteering practices as
>>>>direct assaults to all as God is. Assaults that we have
>>>>been unable to remedy by openly communicating to bush's
>>>>secret White House, rumsfeld's secret Pentagon, or
>>>>Ashcroft's secret Justice Department.
>>>>
>>>>Just who's running this show anyway, I wanna know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A - g - a - i - n
>>>>
>>>>Will Americans save themselves with help from the rest
>>>>of US, by arresting bush and rumsfeld immediately for
>>>>high treason?, or will they cower and DIE as the
>>>>innocent, in false gratitude to the lying traitors
>>>>bushmob? To with their dying breath proclaim
>>>>unattested, to be ridding the Universe of their
>>>>continuing criminal behavior.. a.k.a. evil?
>>>>
>>>>Evidence is a must to establish a crime scene
>>>>provocateur, to deny such privilege is to deny freedom
>>>>be served as consented through any government.
>>>>
>>>>Hint: Demon bush, rumsfeld and Ashcroft, they ain't no
>>>>struggling democracy entirely.
>>>>
>>>>Look, the thing about God coming down, and having it out
>>>>with humanity on some various critical issues, isn't
>>>>like going to happen, it is doing.
>>>>
>>>>We had complete unrestricted access throughout Iraq
>>>>prior to murdering any innocent child in america's name.
>>>>
>>>>These verbs will strike that antiChrist demon down for
>>>>ever and a day, and if I've gone, faded away, these
>>>>words will still remain,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>till now we meet again,
>>>>
>>>>as you were,
>>>>
>>>>Johnny Wizard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>THE ROVING EYE IRAQ AND AL-QAEDA
>>>>Part 1 - The usual suspects
>>>>http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5146.shtml
>>>>
>>>>/ / American commanders and Iraqi police chiefs continue
>>>>to repeat the same mantra: the attacks show "al-Qaeda's
>>>>fingerprints". Who profits from exploiting these
>>>>"fingerprints"? The Bush administration, of course. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>The criminal intention is mind boggling to the mortal
>>>>mind. Yup, Demon bush Jr. is the real antiChrist, for
>>>>doubts about it barely exist. Thank God Your here to
>>>>save Yourself.. Na?
>>>>
>>>>You
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>http://sickofbush.com/
>>>>
>>>>/ / This means that many Iraqis now know that in the name
>>>>of their "liberation", the Americans have killed or maimed
>>>>200,000 people. When something like this happens, you don't
>>>>need any help from al-Qaeda to fuel your anger. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Barely seven weeks prior to 9/11
>>>>http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ASH402A.html
>>>>
>>>>..That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's
>>>>FBI security detail. \ \
>>>>
>>>>/ / The more fundamental question is why, if there was a
>>>>threat, did Ashcroft not warn the American public.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>No freakin' kidding eh. Ashcroft, America wants to
>>>>speak with you about something.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Words from the Son of Man:
>>>>
>>>>/ / Morally equating the rest of Humanity outside
>>>>of Universal Justice as US fairly represented? Mr.
>>>>bush tells God his plan is to victimize Humanity in
>>>>America's name, by hiding behind who's flag again?
>>>>
>>>>Destroy the war criminating, unarrested American cop
>>>>killer, our offensive Mr. bush Jr. instead my friend,
>>>>and be thanked by God in person.
>>>>
>>>>Look, Mr. bush, rumsfeld, and franks have STOLEN food
>>>>and medicine from Iraqi children by confiscating
>>>>"Saddam's Money", and, it is now publicly understood
>>>>that tommy franks, sabotaged the ORHA plan to create
>>>>insecurity and chaos so to rob the central bank of
>>>>billions. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>9/11 Families Valentines Letter to President Bush
>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0216-09.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / You claim that September 11th made you a war president.
>>>>But this is not true. By responding to the terrorism of
>>>>9/11 with an unending 'war on terror,'and a doctrine of
>>>>pre-emptive war, you and your administration chose this
>>>>path. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Iraq's lethal Catch 22
>>>>http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/leaders.cfm?id=182422004
>>>>
>>>>/ / All that matters is that we did not go to war to fulfil
>>>>the only task remaining in Iraq - the transformation of
>>>>a society and economy ravaged by Saddam's brutal regime. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Bush Administration Officials' Lies
>>>>http://globalresearch.ca/articles/THO402A.html
>>>>
>>>>/ / No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate
>>>>threat to the security of our people and the stability
>>>>of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
>>>>
>>>>- Donald Rumsfeld, testimony to Congress, Sept. 19, 2002 \ \
>>>>
>>>>According to whom in our world?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Kerry:
>>>>
>>>>"All of these acts are contrary to the laws of the Geneva
>>>>Convention, and all were ordered as written, established
>>>>policies from the top down. And the men who ordered this
>>>>are war criminals."
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>WMDs or no WMDs? That ain't the question
>>>>Bush backpedals, continues refusing to admit mistake
>>>>http://www.fairandbalanced.org/docs/StoryID1916.htm
>>>>
>>>>/ / Bush citing Clinton as a credible source? There you go. Like Pat
>>>>Robertson buying a fringed leather skirt because it looked good on
>>>>Christina Aguilera.
>>>>
>>>>Bush has even been forced to call for an investigation into his own
>>>>intelligence. And you know what's going to happen: they're not going
>>>>to find anything. \ \
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>Blair's New Weapon Of Mass Deception
>>>>http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=4932§ionID=
15
>>>>
>>>>/ / For the latest in a catalogue of evidence, turn to the Wall
Street
>>>>journal, the paper of America's ruling elite, which has obtained
>>>>copies of the Bush administration's secret plan to privatise the
>>>>country by selling off its assets to western cor****ations while
>>>>establi****ng vast military bases. \ \
>>>>
>>>>Again, I hate to over stress this, but sacrificing the lives of
>>>>leaderless American Patriots as measured worthless with is the secret
>>>>evil bushmob strategy.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>The U.S. Begs for UN Backing in Iraq
>>>>http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=4908
>>>>
>>>>/ / So, What Do We Call For?
>>>>
>>>>1) We call for an end to U.S. occupation, and withdrawal
>>>>of American troops. Because the U.S. invasion destroyed
>>>>the governing capacity in Baghdad and undermined security
>>>>for civilians throughout much of the country, the withdrawal
>>>>of the U.S. forces should be followed by a tem****ary
>>>>combined mandate for the United Nations, Arab League, and
>>>>OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) to provide
>>>>direct sup****t for Iraq's reclaiming of sovereignty. That
>>>>would include election assistance, humani |
