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by walksalone <spamstopper@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 20, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Tell me, do you fundies pay your 
>> >copyright violation fees on time?
>> YOU obviously have NO clue what you are talking about, demon.
>
>Okay fundie boy, present proof for xianity being the oldest religion. 
>And I'm NOT interested in whatever lies you can think up. Present 
>verifyable stuff or get lost.
>On second thought, just get lost - you don't have any proof anyway.
>
>> >Ludicrous hate propaganda. Don't babble about things you know nothing 
>> >about, fundie boy.
>> You  ARE a Satan wor****pper! And you are SO foolish to deny such
>> easily provable information.
>
>If it can be proven so easily, do so. Or admit by failing to do so that 
>you lie, as we all know you do anyway.
>
>> >Thank you for again proving your ignorance. The peace sign derives 
from 
>> >Algiz, fundie boy.
>> >Don't mess with educated people. ;)
>> Prove it or be called  a liar.  And I would think YOU should not mess
>> with educated people (like me) Demoniac!
>
>You're lucky that I feel generous today, fundie boy.
>This is the Algiz rune:
>
>\ | /
> \|/
>  |
>  |
>
>It stands for life, or (inverted) for death. Some people interpret it 
>as symbol of death when it's upright (such as depicted here), and some 
>of them had the idea to place an upside-down Algiz in a circle as 
>inversion of death, thus meaning "life"... or in a general sense, peace.
>And go on to try insulting me as a demoniac - it proves wonderfully 
>that you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your babble... ;)
>
>> >You know, your fundie babbling (just as the nonsense your co-liars 
>> >commonly vomit all over the world) is amusing to a degree...
>> Your lies and demonic mumbling are NOT funny.
>
>If I'm lying you can prove me wrong. Go ahead. ;)
>
>> >and as you 
>> >predictably start babbling whenever you see a pentagram, why not wear 
>> >some? More fun to our lives... ;)
>> Why wear a symbol of Satan?  You ARE nuts, demoniac!
>
>Tough luck that the pentagram is NO symbol of your nonexistent 
>fork-bearer, no? ;)
>On the other hand, I've seen a church with an upside-down pentagram on 
>it. Those who built it doubtlessly thought it was a satanic symbol... 
>somewhat symbolic of fundyism, this church. ;)
>
>> >Whoa, what a braaaaaain! Go to sleep now, at least for three days - 
>> >perhaps this will be enough for your three active brain cells to 
>> >recover from the strain of creatitivy (instead of just parroting what 
>> >your Führer taught you).
>> What fuhrer, Demon?
>
>The one you call "father", "pastor", "preacher", "reverend" or 
>what-have-you. You know, the one who teaches you hatred in the name of 
>your gawd's "love".
>
>> I wor****p the Christ, God in the flesh.
>
>You do ****. You routinely spit on the basic commandments of Christ.
>
>> And NOW we ALL know who YOU wor****p!  He has horns on his head. You
>> just might be him yourself!  He IS the Prince of Liars, and YOU have
>> told a dozen WHOPPERS in here!
>
>In your delusions perhaps.
>
>> Sooooooooooo!  The faggot Thor is also a Satan wor****pper!  How
>> interesting.
>
>Ts ts ts... you already called me a "Palestinian hater" and were proven 
>wrong. Now you call me a satanist and homo***ual and are just as wrong. 
>I wonder what idiotic trick you will try to pull next... ;)


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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:16:13 +0100, "Thore Schmechtig"
<WRITETOcommoner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>> >> Nothing deceptive about it.  Most witches ("wiccans") today ARE 
Satan
>> >> wor****ppers.  
>> >Your evidence being...?
>
>Umm. No evidence presented whatsoever. Why am I not surprised? ;)
>
>> >> So wicca = Satanism is a correct equation in most cases.
>> >Wrong. Fundyism = idiocy, however, holds true in every case I ever 
>> >observed. ;)
>> I didn't expect a wicca / Satan wor****pper such as you to ADMIT  it,
>> ***** cat.
>
>(YAAAWN)
>Wicca != satanism
>Asatru != Wicca
>Asatru != satanism
>
>Tell as many lies as you want, you have lost.
>
>> And don't forget, Thor (LOL!!!)...
>
>Thank you, too much honor for me. I'm merely a follower of Thor.

I suspected enough. Thor is the name of another demon.


>
>> ...you and I both know which of us has
>> more power; and it isn't you!!! 
>
>Then you can prove it. Go ahead. ;)

If I ever encounter you face-to-face, I shall.

Want to come to Seattle?

;-)

jw

>
>>   I'll cast your demons out!
>
>Impossible as there aren't any... but you're welcome to try.


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On 27 Feb 2004 11:14:39 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

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>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:16:13 +0100, "Thore Schmechtig"
><WRITETOcommoner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>>> >> Nothing deceptive about it.  Most witches ("wiccans") today ARE 
Satan
>>> >> wor****ppers.  

>>> >Your evidence being...?

His false word??

>>Umm. No evidence presented whatsoever. Why am I not surprised? ;)

Because google verifys all he dies is asume & lie?? DIFNO.

>>> >> So wicca = Satanism is a correct equation in most cases.
>>> >Wrong. Fundyism = idiocy, however, holds true in every case I ever 
>>> >observed. ;)
>>> I didn't expect a wicca / Satan wor****pper such as you to ADMIT  it,
>>> ***** cat.

>>(YAAAWN)
>>Wicca != satanism
>>Asatru != Wicca
>>Asatru != satanism

>>Tell as many lies as you want, you have lost.

>>> And don't forget, Thor (LOL!!!)...

>>Thank you, too much honor for me. I'm merely a follower of Thor.

>I suspected enough. Thor is the name of another demon.

No, Thor is the name of a god. One that does not require your wor****p
like your insecure fairy tails pantheon.
The exact date he arrived on the scene is not known AFAICT.

>>> ...you and I both know which of us has
>>> more power; and it isn't you!!! 

>>Then you can prove it. Go ahead. ;)

>If I ever encounter you face-to-face, I shall.

Anotehr burst of potcourage?? A comon threat from you john w, & likely
a false threat like yours have washed out to be to date.

>Want to come to Seattle?

Blagh, & encouter the stech you leave behind, no thanks.

>;-)
>
>jw
>
>>
>>>   I'll cast your demons out!
>>
>>Impossible as there aren't any... but you're welcome to try.
>
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:04:18 GMT, hayesmstw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Steve Hayes)
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:06:46 +1100, pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Silver 
Blaze)
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>
>>Where witches are ****trayed as real the ****trayer is either a fraud,
>>massively under a missapprehension or suffering from a psychosis such 
as
>>schizophrenia
>
>You are mistaken.

He is  NOT mistaken. Ozzie is lying. He is a demoniac.

jw



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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:03:21 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> x-no-archive:yes
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:39:30 GMT, Dave Oldridge
>> <doldridg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> 
>>>jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>>>
>>>> x-no-archive:yes
>>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:28:34 GMT, Dave Oldridge
>>>> <doldridg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>marttila69@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (martus) wrote in
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>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------- Lets not forget the unnumbered millions of unborn
>>>>>> humans that are ground down for their body parts for such noble
>>>>>> purposes as stem cells.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can their be any doubt whatsoever that the ghouls are running the
>>>>>> asylum.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then there are all those people claiming to be good Christian
>>>>>politicians who gleefully sacrifice other people's children to their
>>>>>gods Moloch and Mammon by having their minions drop bombs on them
>>>>>with various pretexts. 
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't have to be an "occultist" to practice human sacrifice.  If
>>>>>you want to do it in a BIG way you need to be a US Democrat or
>>>>>Republican politician.
>>>>>
>>>>>(Hint: those who would sacrifice humans always follow the money and
>>>>>the guns).
>>>> 
>>>> If you ever bothered to look genius, fighting wars is not unique to
>>>> Christianity.  Christians, however, are required to faithfully serve
>>>> their government.
>>>
>>>Since I never said it was, you are blathering.  Nor do I think
>>>Christians should ****rk their duty to give military service to their
>>>LEGITIMATE governments.  But was it RIGHT for the Germans to look the
>>>other way while Hitler rounded up Jews and Gypsies and had his minions
>>>murder them?  Was it RIGHt for people to give individual military
>>>sup****t to that regime?
> 
>>>> If our government calls us to service, we are required by God to
>>>> respond.  And if you look at history, the German soldiers in the
>>>> trenches could be heard singing hymns during WWII.
>
>>>Your government is a democratic republic.  You don't just serve it at
>>>the whim of some leaders, you are also a part of the governing
>>>process.  That is to say you exercise sovereignty in your own right
>>>and need to exercise it completely.  This can mean withdrawing your
>>>pleasure from those who serve YOU.
>> 
>> We do, genius!  It's called an election.  We also have a mechanism
>> between elections called impeachment. Enough citizens, enough
>> congressmen/senators get pissed of at the Prez, and we can vote to
>> remove him (Richard M Nixon)
>> 
>> Our Presidential elections are held every 4 years, theory being that
>> no one can COMPLETELY screw up the country in 4 years.
>> 
>> And Clinton and GWB BOTH exercised ANOTHER Presidential option once
>> elected. Canceling certain laws they don't like.
>
>Yeah, and most of them have sought ways to end-run the constitution, 
>which presidents SELDOM like (though they all swear to uphold it!).
> 
>> Right now, Congress is working to repeal the PBA (the law WJC signed
>> that allows women to kill their newborns).
>
>I think abortion is wrong, too.  I'm not sure having fierce laws against 
>it will change the numbers a whole lot, though it might change the 
>numbers of certain other things that are happening in your society. 

One issue at a time, please.
 I 
>notice a lot of people willing to pass draconian laws against abortion 
>but how many of you actually give money to help single, pregnant, poor 
>women give birth without a lot of social stigma and other problems--the 
>very things that LEAD to them wanting abortions?  

I cannot speak for everyone, but all the churches with which I have
been involved have been VERY active in exactly that. In fact, if you /
I knew where to look, there are more Christian families waiting for
babies, more Christian "wanna be" parents willing to pay ALL the
expenses, than there are pregnant women wiling to carry their young to
term.

Why the shortage of babies? Abortion is too easy to get. A woman can
literally get pregnant every other month and get an abortion that
often.

There are good, 
>Christian organizations that actually do this.  

While I cannot think of a name of such an organization at the moment
(I'm not in church at this moment), I have been to enough churches
these past 50 years to know that MY "denomination", the Southern
Baptists, and the non-denominational, put their money where their
mouths are.

You see crusading against 
>something is not the only way to fight it.

I agree. It needs to be a multi-pronged approach, including adoption
services, tending to the pregnant woman, and then giving quality care
to both after birth. Believe me, the Roman Catholics aren't the only
ones involved in this charity work.

>
>>>> There are NUMEROUS stories about how, at least one Christmas
>>>> Eve/Day, both sides left the trenches, came together, exchanged
>>>> gifts, and sang hymns and Christmas carols together.
>
>>>That's nice, but I'm more impressed with the Christianity of Corrie
>>>Ten Boom and of Schindler than with that of the hundreds of thousands
>>>who gave aid to the devil's policies but who celebrated Christmas.
>> 
>> Say what you want about either side (and now I don't know whether
>> you're talking about US or Nazi Germany). I met Corrie Ten Boom, and
>> she and her family DID represent the best of Christianity.
>
>Exactly.  What I am trying to get across is that we are under no 
>obligation to sup****t governments that do evil 

Correct. With this stipulation. (as a Christian) Should we/I decide
that I simply cannot sup****t the practices/laws of my nation, I am
perfectly entitled to disobey; HOWEVER ( a CRUCIAL however), if I DO
decide to be disobedient, I am then obligated as a Christian to accept
the punishment my government meets out for my breaking the law, even
if a matter of conscience.

For instance, our illustrious government, in the 50s, decided that as
harmless a drug as marijuana was /is (was used as medicine for
millennia), our government would classify it a Class B (?) narcotic
(hallucinogen). They made it illegal. 

They also made mushrooms illegal. Now I know of groups who use both
for religious purposes. That's called "freedom of religion." The
government said, "forget freedom of religion", you can't use those
drugs! If the indians continue to use mushrooms, or that
"Enlightenment group" (I forget the name) continue to use pot, they
can be arrested. Fortunately, the indians got a dispensation from the
local police who decided to "look the other way."
But those folks ARE liable if they break the law, even for religious
reasons.
If I decide to not register for the draft when I turn 18 (the legal
requirement in America), I have the right to exercise my freedom to
not do so as an act of my conscience. The government also has the
right to put me in jail.

and we ARE under an 
>obligation as citizens in a democratic society to monitor our 
>governments' activities 

ABSOLUTELY.  NOwhere does the Bible excuse us for not being informed.

and, if they do evil, withdraw our sup****t from 
>that evil.  

Correct. But with a thoughtful response. And be prepared for the
consequences. When the Viet Nam war was going full blast, I knew of
men who were crossing the border into Canada and Mexico. My parents,
devout Baptists, told me if I took off to Canada (the nearest border),
I would no longer be welcome in their home.


Corrie and Schindler both did that, following, not some 
>church leader, but the TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ.
> 
>> I'd tell some of MY stories of how Christ has worked in MY life, but
>> you wouldn't believe me.
>
>Why shouldn't I?  Certainly not because of any disbelief in Christ.  
It's 
>not Him I doubt.  It's His self-appointed preachers who sometimes turn 
>out to not even really know Him.

Are you aware of the teaching of God using broken vessels? IOW, if
that 2 gallon clay pot isn't cracked or shattered and glued back
together, God can't use it.
But even all glued and cemented back together, the cracks and "faults"
and "flaws" still show.

God uses us IN SPITE of those flaws.

I, like Paul, consider myself the least of God's children. With my
mental illness and my physical illness, I make a huge mess most of the
time, but in the midst of that "debris field", God has done something
beautiful. I/you may not always see it; but the effect has been made.

I am suggesting that you not be so harsh/so quick to judge the hearts
of men; pay attention to the message, not the messenger. You seem to
be one who keeps wanting to shoot the messenger.

And I for one KNOW I have issues. I OPENLY admit that. One is anger.
I've been so beaten up these 57 years that I'm pissed off at the whole
damn world, including God. But He loves me anyway. And because I'm so
messed up, when I DO produce gems, it's OBVIOUSLY Him.

But do you wonder why I continue to sit here and take all the abuse?
Because for the 100 of you who climb my back, and for the 90 of you
who NEVER have a kind word, there's that one who gets something they
needed FROM ME!  And THAT is worth all the thrown rocks, all the
molotov cocktails, the lies, the UGLY insults.

And God is glorified even as I'm being flayed. And if that's the price
for my being as faithful as I know how to be, I pay that price to
serve Him the only way I know. Pedal to the floor, no looking over the
shoulder, carbs open full throttle, head down, supersonic zooming
towards that finish line.

Even a gun to my head didn't stop me from preaching 30 years ago.
How many can say they've preached the gospel with a gun to their head?
The gunman telling them, "Shut the f* up, or I'll blow your GD brains
out!"

 I can!

THAT's a miracle. (and if you missed the miracle, I'm still here,
alive to tell the story)

>
>>>> Defending the government/nation in which we live is VERY scriptural.
>>>
>>>It is when it is actually defending civil order.  It is NOT when it is
>>>indulging the ambitions of a tyrant. 
> 
>> The Bible doesn't make that distinction. It says God put ALL
>> leader****p into power, and God takes them out.
>> Who's to say  who's a tyrant?
>
>Actually it does.  The Jews did NOT comply when Nebuchadnezzar set up 
his 
>idol in the public place and demanded wor****p for it.  Nor did the early 
>Christians abandon their faith because Nero had them rounded up and 
>executed for it (and several later Emperors followed suit).

Ok. You have now worked your way around to my exception.  IF the
nation/government/ruler demands that a Christian do something contrary
to God's laws, THEN we may/must disobey. I didn't say that because we
hadn't gotten there yet.

  Nor did they 
>particularly join the Roman army in huge numbers until after Constantine 
>made Christianity the state religion.

Correct.
> 
>>  This has been a lesson that we 
>>>continually seem to need to relearn.
>
>>>> RO 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,
>>>> for there is no authority except that which God has established. The
>>>> authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently,
>>>> he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God
>>>> has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on
>>>> themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but
>>>> for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one
>>>> in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For
>>>> he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid,
>>>> for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an
>>>> agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it
>>>> is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of
>>>> possible punishment but also because of conscience.
>>>
>>>Yes...he is speaking of duly constituted civil authority, enforcing 
>>>sensible, secular laws that essentially reflect God's commandments in 
>>>legal detail.  He is NOT suggesting we should help some wannabe tyrant
>>>gang up on some other society.
>> 
>> That is YOUR reading. And YOU don't set the rules.
>
>Neither do you.  Julius Caesar was somewhat of a tyrant, who invented 
big 
>business in the form of arena s****ts and became dominant in Roman 
>politics, essentially usurping the power of the Senate into the 
executive 
>branch.  His nephew, Octavius, made it official, becoming the first 
>crowned emperor.  By Paul's time the empire was led by the delinquent 
son 
>of a murderess named Nero.  That's the whole trouble with emperors.  You 
>get one or two like Trajan and a whole lot like Caligula (nuttier than a 
>fruitcake, that piece of work) and Nero.  By the time Constantine took 
>over in 321, the royal family's main hobby was murdering each other.  
>That did not change much during the rest of the century.
> 
>> AGAIN, define "tyrant."
>
>A tyrant is, effectively, anyone who rides roughshod over the rights of 
>others.  You people are awfully loud about your OWN rights, but you 
never 
>seem to understand that many of the people you bully around never voted 
>for either your president or your legislators.  

Now you are talking about theory, but you aren't giving me specifics,
so I don't know what you mean to intelligently discuss it.

Nor were they given an 
>op****tunity to vote against them. 

If you are meaning that those who didn't vote for our President
needn't obey him, our laws don't work that way, nor does the Bible say
that, IMO.

>
>>>>     RO 13:6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are
>>>> God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give
>>>> everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue,
>>>> then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
>>>
>>>Exactly.  And that's why invading Afghanistan made sense to everyone. 
>>>You WERE attacked by a group of terrorists actively based there and 
>>>sup****ted by that government.  That's a just war by any definition. 
>>>But Iraq (though, in my opinion justified) was less well explained to
>>>the populace, hence the resistance some people instinctively feel to
>>>it. 
>> 
>> There is nothing in the Bible or in the US Constitution that says the
>> President MUST get EVERY American on board to go to war.
> 
>> He must get Congress on board. He did.
>
>It doesn't matter WHO he gets on board.  How he's PERCEIVED is a 
function 
>of how well he and his staff do at explaining their own motives.  And 
>therein lies the problem.  When those motives are not squeaky-clean, you 
>end up with moral ambiguity and a war effort that is difficult to 
>sustain, both politically and morally.  Happened to Johnson and it can 
>happen to Bush.

You are talking about people who believe in "peace at any price." And
I think some/you are FAR too quick to judge the merits of this war.
In fact, we HAVE found WMD. We have found remnants of bio weapons,
chem weapons, and nuclear weapons. We have also found hundreds or even
thousands of missiles capable of delivering those systems. Why we
didn't find intact weapons is partially because Saddam had a HUGE
army, PLENTY enough manpower to destroy those weapons (or hide them)
when the time came (a week before the invasion, let's say)
> 
>> Gee!  When you tire of throwing 100 insults per post, you can make
>> sense sometimes!
>> 
>> We can even agree sometimes!
>
>Probably.  Like I said, I've never been against the idea of removing 
>Saddam from power.  It was just done far too late, in my opinion and 
that 
>taints the whole operation.

Blame the devout coward WJC.  The President who legalized infanticide.
The President who began the disarming of America's population, the
President who admitted to treason but was never prosecuted due to a
Democrat-controlled congress. His treason? We have proof of campaign
contributions from the Red Chines. That's illegal, and it's treason.
He did it twice. And Al Gore denied going to that Chinese sponsored
fund raise until we showed him his ugly mug on the video tape. "Oh!
THAT fund raiser!" He was shown shaking hands with and accepting money
from half-a-dozen Chinese diplomats, AGAIN, TREASON.

  That and the fact that you held his coat 
>while he attacked Iran twice.

???  I DID?  You're mistaken!  :-)

Frankly, politics is not my strongest suit. And I seem to recall Iran
attacking us as well. Something about them holding several hundred
Americans at our embassy hostage for 444 days, and killing several to
prove "they meant business". Were we to do NOTHING?

Also don't pile up blame on ONE President. I seem to recall 2
Presidents being involved.

Frankly, two of MY bones to pick are how we still ignore the poor.
(like me) and how we continue to abuse our "native Americans."

By the way, where r u?

jw

> 


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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:28:34 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>marttila69@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> ----------- Lets not forget the unnumbered millions of unborn humans
>> that are ground down for their body parts for such noble purposes as
>> stem cells.
>> 
>> Can their be any doubt whatsoever that the ghouls are running the
>> asylum.
>
>Then there are all those people claiming to be good Christian 
politicians 
>who gleefully sacrifice other people's children to their gods Moloch and 
>Mammon by having their minions drop bombs on them with various pretexts.

By the way, I don't believe for one moment that you'd find one single
politician, Christian or otherwise (and not ALL American politicians
are Christians, we have several homo***uals, for instance), who would
admit to being anything other than VERY sorrowful at the loss of ANY
lives. War is ugly. And Saddam showed the willingness to kill MILLIONS
in his desire to control the entire Middle East. The Jews had
volunteered to take him out; but like they did to us in 1967, we told
them we'd handle it. 

jw
>
>You don't have to be an "occultist" to practice human sacrifice.  If you 
>want to do it in a BIG way you need to be a US Democrat or Republican 
>politician.

Well, let's not forget Hitler, Saddam's 500 K (used for testing his
weapons), and Idi Amin for starters.

I take it you aren't a strong believer in self-defense. So next time
Osama or Saddam or Moammar drops a bomb that kills 20,000 of us, we
should instead shake our fists and yell loudly!

Get angry at the jerks who attack and threaten to. Last I heard, the
Arabs are still vowing to drive the Jews into the sea and take their
land. And if you hadn't noticed, the reason Camp David and the
"Roadmap to Peace" have both been stillborn is, it turns out, both
offered the Palestinians land. The Israelis even pointed to this
parcel and that. 

Nothing doing! The Palestinians are demanding Jerusalem! And they'll
get Jerusalem or there will be blood!


jw
>
>(Hint: those who would sacrifice humans always follow the money and the 
>guns).


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On 27 Feb 2004 11:12:32 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

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>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:13:04 +0100, "Thore Schmechtig"
><WRITETOcommoner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>> >> I have known probably 50 witches in my
>>> >> lifetime. MOST were OPEN about their Satan wor****p, tho they may 
have
>>> >> denied wor****pping Satan. 

>>> >Wow - not many fundies manage to contradict themselves in one 
>>> >not-too-long sentence! Go ahead fundie Johnny, you're on your way to 
a 
>>> >world record! ;)
>>> There was no contradiction. You perhaps need to work on basic reading
>>> comprehension.
>>
>>As wicca != satanism the contradiction is painfully obvious. To every 
>>non-fundie that is. It takes at least 5 active brain cells to see this, 
>>which is why you don't get it.
>
>I'll explain it again, for an obviously illiterate wicca demoniac.

???? You'e a wiccan now??
>
>>> >> I have known probably 50 witches in my
>>> >> lifetime. MOST were OPEN about their Satan wor****p, tho they may 
have
>>> >> denied wor****pping Satan. 
>
>Saying "I don't wor****p Satan, I wor****p Beezlebub", while a "denial"
>on one level, is an open admission on another.

Maybe to you, but to the majority of those that speak English, the
sentence as misinterpreted by you, is not valid.
I see you are still incapable of comprehending the written word in
context. Other than your own assumptions, wicca does not equate Satan
wor****p.

>and anyone but a demoniac wiccan would have NOT denied my words, but
>would have asked me to clarify. I DID say ALL that in a previous post.

No, everyone is pretty much used to your lies, so there is no need to
ask you to clarify. The odds of either the truth or useful information
are in the neighborhood of -5Gig-1769th power.
Not really anything any sane person would waste time expecting.

>>> >Ah, fundie boy arrogantly assumes that he's the only one with any 
>>> >education at all. ;)

>>> Your insults are badges of honor, demoniac.

Well, he was complimentary compared to your attempt to denigrate
others.

>>Which really means "I can't prove that my babble is true, so I have to 
>>turn to insults".

>See my comment above, demoniac witch.

Comments do not equate to valid truths, especially when made by a
known liar. Or did you remove every post you ever made from google.If
so, they are still archived esewhere, & law enforcement personnel now
how to find them.

>>Tough luck fundie boy. Doesn't work outside of your wonderful world of 
>>chicken tracts.

Don't tell him that Thore, its the only claim to fame he has provided
evidence for. Not his honesty, but by being the equal of Jack Chick.
After all, most people do try to emulate their heroes.

>If Jack Chic didn't bother you much, why do you witch demoniacs attack
>him so viciously?  Seems your weapons would be better aimed at serious
>attacks, unless you DO consider him a serious threat.

Chick, like you, is a source of amusement for some. After all, the
truth is found in the scrawlings of either of you is the same as the
truths proclaimed by other known liars. Left unnoticed, it can cause
pools of diseased minds. 
Exposure to daylight normally takes the toxins out of your's, &
Chick's lies.

>>> >Wrong, fundie boy. 

>The concept of the horned god is much older than the 
>>> >christian defamation of his persona.

Indeed, some put it back over 5000 years. I've no conclusive evidence
to offer, but the Celtic pantheon predates xianity by centuries. In
spite of the claims of those like jw.

>So you DO believe in "the horned god."  (Satan)

Not what he said, but that never stopped you from lieing about what
someone said before.

>chuckle

>Demon witch

Are you now, thanks for the confession. After all, you do emulate
jezebeth.

>And that's the last insult I'll tolerate from you. I happen to be VERY
>proud of my fundamentalist background. My scholars were the "Who's
>Who" of 20th C theology.

Scholar's, right, CS Lewis, Josh McDowell, & a slew of apologetics
that are not normally associated with the word scholar.

One expects a scholar to be recognised in the academic world, not the
seminary or church world.
There is a reason for that, the study of theology is the study of
nothing, which explains why seminarians are not normally lumped with
scholars except by those that like to twist words to match their
version of the correct deification.

>jw
snipped the rest of john w's verbal diarrhea.

walkslaone who is beginning to suspect that john w is trying to
clutter the net so musch that he can have it to him self.
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on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.  
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> I suggest you shut up when you cannot POSSIBLY know the laws of every
> city on the planet, demoniac!


On the contrary they are almost all available via the internet and I have
top level legal advice when I need it

Which is why I strongly advise you to drop this thread which seems to me
to allege malpractice

Libel that constitutes harassment can be indictable

That means you can go to jail or into a psychiatric hospital 
indefinitiely
under a compulsory schedule


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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:53:19 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>In article <Qo0%b.1399$mx4.26678@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 sez 
>in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> 
>> "jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>> news:7suo301mg92dategaarpp68u64hmcau0q8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>   Put up, or shut
>> > up!
>> >
>> > jw
>> 
>> Ditto.....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>The thing is, too- he DID post under the name of 'jay west'. It's 
>ARCHIVED, and signed! Yet he complains bitterly whenever anyone mentions 
>it!
>Anyone looking into alt.***.fetish.hair .... alt.fan.alyssa-milano ...  
>a.bsu.talk...  alt.binaries.pictures.*****ca.pre-teen... 
>
>under:  jay (jaywest@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) will quickly see what I mean.... yet 
he 
>threatens people with 'court action' for even mentioning it!
>
>Guilty conscience???

There is nothing illegal about looking, Ice Queen.

Explain your objection to "alt.***.fetish.hair? Explain your objection
to alt.fan.alyssa-milano?   I know she must have a LOT of fans.
What's your objection to a.bsu.talk?  I also have no recollection of
going in there.
As for the last one, ?

What's YOUR excuse for wasting air?

And not all the listing you put up are mine.

Shall I begin reposting your lies, Elaine?

You so EAGERLY point to the flaws you perceive in others while you
ignore and lie about your own.

Grow up! Get some professional help. Get born again. Repent.

You also continue to bring up ancient history, demoniac.



jw




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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:53:19 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>In article <Qo0%b.1399$mx4.26678@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 sez 
>in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> 
>> "jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>> news:7suo301mg92dategaarpp68u64hmcau0q8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > x-no-archive:yes
>> 
>>   Put up, or shut
>> > up!
>> >
>> > jw
>> 
>> Ditto.....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>The thing is, too- he DID post under the name of 'jay west'. It's 
>ARCHIVED, and signed! Yet he complains bitterly whenever anyone mentions 
>it!
>Anyone looking into alt.***.fetish.hair .... alt.fan.alyssa-milano ...  
>a.bsu.talk...  alt.binaries.pictures.*****ca.pre-teen... 
>
>under:  jay (jaywest@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) will quickly see what I mean.... yet 
he 
>threatens people with 'court action' for even mentioning it!
>
>Guilty conscience???

Kiss that cushy job goodbye, Elaine!  It's called, "mess with me, I
mess with you!"  You're also talking ancient history.

Some psychos like Elaine never get it, and never give up, and NEVER
grow up.

jw



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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:53:19 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>In article <Qo0%b.1399$mx4.26678@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 sez 
>in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> 
>> "jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>> news:7suo301mg92dategaarpp68u64hmcau0q8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > x-no-archive:yes
>> 
>>   Put up, or shut
>> > up!
>> >
>> > jw
>> 
>> Ditto.....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>The thing is, too- he DID post under the name of 'jay west'. It's 
>ARCHIVED, and signed! Yet he complains bitterly whenever anyone mentions 
>it!
>Anyone looking into alt.***.fetish.hair .... alt.fan.alyssa-milano ...  
>a.bsu.talk...  alt.binaries.pictures.*****ca.pre-teen... 
>
>under:  jay (jaywest@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) will quickly see what I mean.... yet 
he 
>threatens people with 'court action' for even mentioning it!
>
>Guilty conscience???

no.  And you have LONG since proved that you have NO conscience of ANY
kind.  And since the Holy Spirit is the Christian's conscience, that
proves you are NOT a born again Christian, but a worse pretender than
you accuse me of being.

And how does this sort of garbage edify the church? What happened to
turn the cheek?  You're about to find out I can get nasty, too.

BTW, you neglected to mention that the "pre-teen" reference was NOT
cruising the pre-teen group. I placed ads in RANDOM groups.

And I need explain NOTHING to "Nurse Ratchett". I just realized I have
a new name for Elaine. Nurse Ratchett.

jw



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On 27 Feb 2004 12:54:10 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

>x-no-archive:yes
>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:53:19 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>In article <Qo0%b.1399$mx4.26678@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
sez 
>>in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> 
>>> "jw @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
>>> news:7suo301mg92dategaarpp68u64hmcau0q8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > x-no-archive:yes
>>> 
>>>   Put up, or shut
>>> > up!
>>> >
>>> > jw
>>> 
>>> Ditto.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>The thing is, too- he DID post under the name of 'jay west'. It's 
>>ARCHIVED, and signed! Yet he complains bitterly whenever anyone 
mentions 
>>it!
>>Anyone looking into alt.***.fetish.hair .... alt.fan.alyssa-milano ...  
>>a.bsu.talk...  alt.binaries.pictures.*****ca.pre-teen... 
>>
>>under:  jay (jaywest@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
) will quickly see what I mean.... yet 
he 
>>threatens people with 'court action' for even mentioning it!
>>
>>Guilty conscience???
>
>no.  And you have LONG since proved that you have NO conscience of ANY
>kind.  And since the Holy Spirit is the Christian's conscience, that
>proves you are NOT a born again Christian, but a worse pretender than
>you accuse me of being.
>
>And how does this sort of garbage edify the church? What happened to
>turn the cheek?  You're about to find out I can get nasty, too.
>
>BTW, you neglected to mention that the "pre-teen" reference was NOT
>cruising the pre-teen group. I placed ads in RANDOM groups.
>
>And I need explain NOTHING to "Nurse Ratchett". I just realized I have
>a new name for Elaine. Nurse Ratchett.
>
>jw
>
>
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:29:28 -0700, "Iconoclast" <icono@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

>
>"Tiger" <Tiger@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:Xns949C5FDABA52Cjefscrrcom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> johnhennekes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (John Hennekes) wrote in
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>>
>> > 1.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first
>> > looking them up.
>>
>> There is no such word.
>>
>> -- 
>> Tiger
>>
>
>No such word as "up"?  :>)
>
>BTW
>English, being of Germanic origin, gives the latitude of creative word
>smithing.
>
English gives the latitude of creative word smithing.

Correct.



>1 entry found for inerrancies.
>in·er·ran·cy    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (n-rn-s)
>n.
>Freedom from error or untruths; infallibility: belief in the inerrancy 
of
>the Scriptures.

I didn't know that, and I agree with Tiger before looking. That may be
the LAST time I trust that false teacher.

jw
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>johnhennekes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> 1.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first
>> looking them up. 
>
>There is no such word.

For once, the false teacher Tiger has gotten it right!


jw



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On 27 Feb 2004 06:20:21 -0800, johnhennekes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (John Hennekes)
wrote:

>1.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first looking 
them up.
>2.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first looking 
them up.
>3.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first looking 
them up.

Just say "Bible errors" or "the Bible contains no errors," depending
on what you mean. It's easier to say, and everyone knows what you
mean.

And if you don't see this, whose fault is it that you threw one of
Christ's followers on the scrap heap for not being just like YOU?


jw

>4.) I will not use words, such as inerrancies, without first looking 
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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them up.
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On 27 Feb 2004 21:27:42 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:30:57 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (walksalone) wrote:
>
>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:12:16 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>>proceeded to tel the following lie right in front of gosh & everyone
>>else he could intrude on.
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:24:22 GMT, The Last Church
>>><bleahcim49@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>>On 26 Feb 2004 23:15:42 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>the demoniac
>>>>   I have deciphered Johns code.   To him the word Demonic means, " 
no
>>>>good f-ing SOB with S-it for a face!"
>>
>>>Actually, I think I probably coined the term "demonic". It means
>>
>>No, no you did not.
>
>LOL!!!!!  ROTFLMAO!!!

No you are not, unless it is on your shoulders.

> I caught ANOTHER one!  Absolutely NO SOH!!!

Translation, I got caught lieing again & so I am going to try to cover
my tracks & pretend it was a ruse or joke instead of a screw up on my
part.
I have a very dry SOH, but liars don't make it work.
I also have a very strongsense of honesty, one the majority of yyour
posts violate, so what.

>jw

walkslaone who will leave teh original lie intact for any late comers
who wonder what jw is trying to evade this time.
>>
>>>simply "of demons." Which a person with a brain and some idea how to
>>>use it could easily have figured out.
>>
>>& as usual, your lies are easily shown to be just that.
>>Compliments of m-w.com
>>BTW, oh trained journalist, please note the correct spelling.
>>
>>Main Entry: 1de·mo·ni·ac 
>>Pronunciation: di-'mO-nE-"ak
>>Variant(s): also de·mo·ni·a·cal  /"dE-m&-'nI-&-k&l/
>>Function: adjective
>>Etymology: Middle English demoniak, from Late Latin daemoniacus, from
>>Greek daimoniakos, from daimon-, daimOn
>>1 : possessed or influenced by a demon
>>2 : of, relating to, or suggestive of a demon : FIENDISH <demoniac
>>cruelty>
>>
>>So, is the audience to presume that given your clam, you are without a
>>brain? There is sup****tive evidence that people can live without a
>>functioning brain.
>>
>>>"Demon" simply means a fallen angel, an unclean spirit.
>>
>>Only in your mythology. AMOF, if you had the knowledge you pretend to
>>have, demons are gods. Granted they are minor gods, but gods for all
>>of that.
>>Demons are only automatically bad or evil in the xian mythology.
>>Even the early Israelite people didn't make your gross errors of
>>assumption, assuming they could speak for others.
>>
>>Again, compliments of m-w.com
>>Main Entry: de·mon 
>>Variant(s): or dae·mon  /'dE-m&n/
>>Function: noun
>>Etymology: Middle English demon, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin
>>daemon evil spirit, from Latin, divinity, spirit, from Greek daimOn,
>>probably from daiesthai to distribute -- more at TIDE
>>1 a : an evil spirit b : a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or
>>ruin
>>2 usually daemon : an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS
>>3 usually daemon : a supernatural being of Greek mythology
>>intermediate between gods and men
>>4 : one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness <a
>>demon for work>
>>- de·mo·ni·an  /di-'mO-nE-&n/ adjective
>>- de·mon·iza·tion  /"dE-m&-n&-'zA-sh&n/ noun
>>- de·mon·ize  /'dE-m&-"nIz/ transitive verb
>>
>>>"Demoniac" simply means a person such as yourself who is possessed by
>>>an unclean spirit, a "demon."
>>
>>Only in your mythology
>>
>>>Does that help, oh mindless one?
>>
>>Bragging on yourself again one notes, as well as the audience, if any.
>>
>>>And your filthy mouth in a Christian group is proof that you ARE a
>>>demoniac.
>>
>>As opposed to your filthy mouth & habit of attempting to denigrate
>>others. As in any that dare to point out your absurdities.
>>
>>>But there IS deliverance; you need only ask.
>>
>>Then why don't you. Dave Oldridge [?] has indicated he has the
>>training. After all, if he waves the magic wand & sprinkles you with
>>holy water, you might be able to read the KJV, a thing demons
>>supposedly can't do. Something about not being able to tolerate the
>>claimed word of god easily.
>>
>>>jw
>>
>>walksalone who notes that as usual, jw pretends to pools of knowledge
>>he can not demonstrate actually having. Not that anyone expects him
>>to.
>> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
>>on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.  
>>			[William Blake, from   Proverbs of Hell  ]
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:35:47 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (walksalone) wrote:

>On 27 Feb 2004 21:22:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>attempted to impress himself, as if anyone appears to care.
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:03 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (walksalone) wrote:
>
>>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>snip, including prior authors.
>
>>>>>> >> >  And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be 
counted
>
>>>SNIP
>
>>>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like 
that
>>>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma 
told
>>>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
>>>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>
>>>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>>>air he breathes?  Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>>>could have breathed that air!
>
>>>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>>>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts that
>>>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose in
>>>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>>>those. 
>
>>You're talking to yourself again.
>
>Actually, I am observing the picture you paint of yourself. 

You're hallucinating again.

That you
>don't like it is no concern of mine.
>
>>>Jim appears to:
>>>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>>>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
>
>>You continue to be a pig.  I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
>
>Naw, I'll leave the so called bad habits of swine to you.  Given a
>choice, a pig is an extremely clean animal,  & unlike you, it is
>intelligent.

How would you know intelligence when you don't demonstrate any,
demoniac?


jw


>
>>Down's Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy, too. In fact, I've seen your kind
>
>You can pu that make up brush back in your honey bucket, or quit
>projecting. Whichever is easier on you.
>
>>knock legless folk out of their wheelchairs just to see how they get
>>back in.
>
>So, you are saying that you lack the guts to do what you fantasise
>about, so you project what you would like to do on others. No thanks,
>I don't mind helping those that need my help through no fault of their
>own.
>IOW, I can & do help the people that you wish to harm according to the
>fantasy you just posted.
>BTW, quit beating your wife yet??
>
>That is the same tactic you just tried on me, unlike you, I do not
>have to think of things I would like to do to harm others that
>disagree with me. If they are unable to back up their arguments, or in
>your case lies, & they depart or quit lieing, ther is no problem.
>If they demand the right to lie, I demand equal time. 
>Your call, shouldn't cost you but about $1,000 ED to find some one you
>can call that will be willing to listen once they find out its you. 
>
>>jw
>snip, its madnassty can't answer & can't be bothered.
>
>walksalone who wonders, is john really as stupid as he is acting??
>Could be, DIFINO


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On 28 Feb 2004 02:14:47 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Nothing requiring thought was observe, nothing requiring comment,
saved to personal file,.

>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:35:47 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (walksalone) wrote:
>
>>On 27 Feb 2004 21:22:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>attempted to impress himself, as if anyone appears to care.
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:03 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (walksalone) wrote:
>>
>>>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>
>>snip, including prior authors.
>>
>>>>>>> >> >  And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be 
counted
>>
>>>>SNIP
>>
>>>>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like 
that
>>>>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma 
told
>>>>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you 
haven't
>>>>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>>
>>>>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>>>>air he breathes?  Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>>>>could have breathed that air!
>>
>>>>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>>>>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts 
that
>>>>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose 
in
>>>>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>>>>those. 
>>
>>>You're talking to yourself again.
>>
>>Actually, I am observing the picture you paint of yourself. 
>
>You're hallucinating again.
>
>That you
>>don't like it is no concern of mine.
>>
>>>>Jim appears to:
>>>>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>>>>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
>>
>>>You continue to be a pig.  I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
>>
>>Naw, I'll leave the so called bad habits of swine to you.  Given a
>>choice, a pig is an extremely clean animal,  & unlike you, it is
>>intelligent.
>
>How would you know intelligence when you don't demonstrate any,
>demoniac?
>
>
>jw
>
>
>>
>>>Down's Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy, too. In fact, I've seen your kind
>>
>>You can pu that make up brush back in your honey bucket, or quit
>>projecting. Whichever is easier on you.
>>
>>>knock legless folk out of their wheelchairs just to see how they get
>>>back in.
>>
>>So, you are saying that you lack the guts to do what you fantasise
>>about, so you project what you would like to do on others. No thanks,
>>I don't mind helping those that need my help through no fault of their
>>own.
>>IOW, I can & do help the people that you wish to harm according to the
>>fantasy you just posted.
>>BTW, quit beating your wife yet??
>>
>>That is the same tactic you just tried on me, unlike you, I do not
>>have to think of things I would like to do to harm others that
>>disagree with me. If they are unable to back up their arguments, or in
>>your case lies, & they depart or quit lieing, ther is no problem.
>>If they demand the right to lie, I demand equal time. 
>>Your call, shouldn't cost you but about $1,000 ED to find some one you
>>can call that will be willing to listen once they find out its you. 
>>
>>>jw
>>snip, its madnassty can't answer & can't be bothered.
>>
>>walksalone who wonders, is john really as stupid as he is acting??
>>Could be, DIFINO
>
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In article <fnev30d64p9p05uck7pa1lthd2ov27l4uq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<john_weatherly47
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>
>For the Roman Catholic, being "born again" means being sprinkled at
>birth.

John W merely demands a different ritual in place of our ritual. 

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On 27 Feb 2004 19:50:47 -0800, Teresita <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>In article <fnev30d64p9p05uck7pa1lthd2ov27l4uq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, jw 
<john_weatherly47
>says...
>>
>>For the Roman Catholic, being "born again" means being sprinkled at
>>birth.
>
>John W merely demands a different ritual in place of our ritual. 

Romans seek a ritual, that is true; Christians seek a relation****p.

We take literally the words, "BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and
you will be saved..."

How does a 5-day old BELIEVE?

It does not.  Infants do not need to "believe; nor have they sinned,
needing salvation.


jw







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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:11:43 GMT, John Hennekes
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>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:09:40 +1100, pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Silver 
Blaze)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <57266a6f.0402270548.5059944f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>johnhennekes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (John Hennekes) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have proposed creating a new group
>>> [alt.religion.christian.christendom] to discuss areas that you term
>>> "denominational barriers" and I term as "Christian reconciliation." 
>>> If this group existed today, would this be a place that you would
>>> seriously consider visiting in order to increase the understanding
>>> between Protestants, Evangelicals, Catholics, Pentecostals and the
>>> Charismatic, in a central and neutral forum?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> John Hennekes
>>
>>
>>As a person outside your categories I applaud your project and wish you 
well!
>
>
>Thanks.
>>
>>Divisions between neighbours do not fit my image of jesus of Nazareth
>
>
>Nor mine.
>>
>>Maybe those of us forced out of a decaying religion need such
>>reconciliation and theological reformation even more than you do
>
>
>God, it would be nice to have you back in the fold again.  It wasn't God 
or
>Christ that's to blame, here, as the fault will always rest with Man.

Some of you more than others.


jw


  His
>intelligence and understanding of the LORD's business will only reach 
but so
>far...and that's it.


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>
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>"jw
>> 
>> x-no-archive:yes
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:23:01 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
>> <dhoehr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >Raul Goulden wrote:
>> >> I saw in an interview Mel Gibson did that he has
>> >> problems with the Roman Catholic Church because
>> >> it is being taken over by the Masons.
>> >>
>> >> What is he talking about?
>> >
>> >He is talking about the old conspiracy theory that the masons have
>> >undermined the RCC (Vatican II) and are now taking nover the Church.
>> >This is quite typical of a traditionalist, but not only 
traditionalist
>> >believe that.
>> 
>> A quick question, if you don't mind.
>
>Not at all.
>
>> And one you can answer without
>> going into any detail.
>
>I have no problems going into detail.
>
>>  During the various Masonic rituals, do Masons
>> ever have occasion to kneel down or bow facing Eastward?
>
>Yes, every time an obligation is said, the candidate kneels in front of
>the master's pedestal. Actually, he kneels in front of the Bible, places
>his hands on the Bible and says his obligation (which usually consists
>of saying that he will keep the secrets of that degree -- a password, a
>sign and a handshake -- and that he will do his best to work for the
>benefit of mankind and society, etc, etc...). The master's pedestal in
>usually in the east. Well, it is said to be the east. Whether it is
>really the east, I don't know. Symbolically...

Thanks so much for your honesty. And now that you have revealed some
secrets I can mention them as well. Our De Molay obligations were all
done on one knee bowing to the East, although I do not remember the
Bible. (I have memory damage) 

Do you understand the significance (since it's mostly symbolism) of
bowing / kneeling to the East?

And if you are so willing to communicate, I'm going to let you respond
rather than supplying the answer.

When I found out the answer to that question was when I listening to
several recruiters for my joining the Masons, and I even realized that
a number of my pastors and elders had been very shallow in some says.


And 
>
>AND, every time a candidate a prayer is said at the beginning of a
>ceremony, the candidate kneels down as well and faces east.

correct. He will address the other "posts" or "chairs", but he stands.
When he faces the East, he kneels/bows down. That suggests ALSO that
the East is more POWERFUL than the South, the North, or the West. Why
is that?

>
>There is also a third occasion, namely when it is announced that a
>member of the lodge has passed away, those in the lodge face east,
>kneels on their seats with one knee and observe a minute of silence.
>
>> Thanks for your answer in advance!
>
>Maybe I have forgotten something, but that should be about it. There
>are, of course, different masonic ceremonies and rituals, depending on
>the country you're in, in the USA on the State you're in and there are
>also local varieties. Usually good libraries have masonic rituals.
>Should you ever be in London, UK, go to Great Queen Street, where you
>can have a guided tour of Freemasons' Hall. In the souvenir shop you can
>actually purchase masonic rutual books and regalia, whether you're a
>mason or not. There are some shops in Great Queen Street that have that
>kind of stuff on sale.

I'd like that. My grandpa on my mom's side was a 33rd degree Mason.
She kept trying to talk her sons (3 ) into being Masons.  We had all
be De Molays, but none of ever joined Masons.

> 
>I hope I could help,

You did. Immensely.   And you may be about to prove a point for me
that others might not believe if I merely said it.


jw
>
>Daniel


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>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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>> <dhoehr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Raul Goulden wrote:
>> >> I saw in an interview Mel Gibson did that he has
>> >> problems with the Roman Catholic Church because
>> >> it is being taken over by the Masons.
>> >>
>> >> What is he talking about?
>> >
>> >He is talking about the old conspiracy theory that the masons have
>> >undermined the RCC (Vatican II) and are now taking nover the Church.
>> >This is quite typical of a traditionalist, but not only 
traditionalist
>> >believe that.
>>
>> A quick question, if you don't mind. And one you can answer without
>> going into any detail.  During the various Masonic rituals, do Masons
>> ever have occasion to kneel down or bow facing Eastward?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your answer in advance!
>>
>> jw
>> >
>> >Thhe origin is that freemasonry was banned by the Church a few years
>> >after the foundation of the Premier Grand Lodge in London (1717).
>> >Since then masonry has been accused of all sorts of things, e.g. 
devil
>> >wor****p, anti-Catholic sonspiracy, etc, etc....
>> >
>> >I was myself a mason for some years and I have never seen any
>> >conspiracy against the Catholic Church. Masons are encouraged to
>> >practice their religion (be it Christianity in all its various
>> >denominations, Judaism, Islam, whatever).
>> >
>> >> RG
>
>
>Have you ever noticed that almost every church building is constructed 
such
>that the front of the "sanctuary" is East of the congregation.  I 
noticed
>this a few years back and have noted that out of literally hundreds of
>churches, I have yet to see one where this is not true.

IF that is true, and I don't know it is, I suspect it's done so that
the early morning wor****ppers during the winter can take advantage of
the early sun.

That would be for a TOTALLY different reason than Masons bowing to the
East INDOORS.


jw

>


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In article <ruev301kcrda1h4r3sgk29lkk2iqqhtddc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
  You see Satan in me;.
> 

> jw
> 


No we see a suffering schizophrenic in desperate need of the insight that
will bring him to proper treatment for his condition.  We see a man
behaving in accordance with a well do***ented and recognised pattern.

Including the fact that on the surface he appears to be the last to have
insight into his real medical condition and is as a result obsessed with
hallucinations and nightmares of occult and demonic and Satanic activity
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