>lies, and heresies. All *I* am doing is quoting the BIBLE!!
And I can do the same to make you look like Beelzebub. What's your
point?
>Paul and Peter were both abused, maligned, lied about, tortured, and
>eventually murdered for opposing the spirit of anti-Christ, including
>the one seated at the Vatican. I may well face the same sort of death.
>But I will defend the faith of Peter and Paul as long as God gives me
>breath. Call it obsession? I call it the faith of Christ.
Call it whatever you want. You are incorrect.
>I also have noted with predicted amusement your continued dodge of my
>request for your "personal testimony" of when you became a born-again
>Christian as you claim to be.
And I note, with much amusement and jollity, your continued refusal to
specify what you mean by that.
Alberich
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wrote:
>On 27 Feb 2004 07:51:02 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:25:28 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>RCC Examined-12
>>>>>
>>>>>Purgatory
>>>>>
>>>>>Rome teaches that when Catholics die in an unperfected state, they
must
>>>>>enter an intermediate realm of punishment called "purgatory" before
being
>>>>>released to heaven. Those who have ac***ulated sins which have not
been
>>>>>sufficiently atoned for through penance must endure the sufferings
of
>>>>>purgatory until the soul is refined and God's justice has been
satisfied.
>>>>>The torments of this halfway hell can vary in intensity, severity,
and
>>>>>duration depending upon the guilt, impurity, lack of proper penance,
or
>>>>>sorrow of the sufferer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Catholics are kept in fear all their lives by the prospects of going
to
>>>>>this imaginary place. But Rome teaches that the period of suffering
in
>>>>>purgatory can be shortened by gifts of money, prayers by the
priests, and
>>>>>m*****. Catholicism also stresses that friends and relatives can
help
>>>>>lessen the time that loved ones remain in purgatory and even relieve
their
>>>>>suffering by financing m***** on their behalf. Rome collects
millions of
>>>>>dollars each year from grieving individuals who willingly pay to
alleviate
>>>>>the agonies of those in purgatory.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, this frightening doctrine cannot find a single verse in the
>>>>>entire Bible to sup****t it. Rome has had to rely on ingenious
twistings of
>>>>>the Scriptures to defend this terrifying teaching, along with an
isolated
>>>>>passage from the apocryphal book of II Maccabees (12:39-45).
>>>>
>>>>Which is EXACTLY why they use the A. If they didn't have the A,
they'd
>>>>have NO justification for these heresies.
>>>
>>>Which is EXACTLY why Protestants don't use the D-Cs. If they had the
>>>D-Cs, they'd have to admit claiming no justification was a heresy.
>>>
>>>Seriously, don't you two have anything better to do (like discuss what
>>>you *do* believe, perhaps) then continuing to harp on about the RCC?
>>
>>Nope. Don't you have anything better to do THAN (not "then")
>>continuing to harp on about REAL (NON-Catholic ) Christianity?
>
>Wow--you got me there, John. I mis-typed something late at night and
>you *nailed* me on it. Feel better? =) And I guess that no, I don't
>have something better to do than try to dispel people of heretical
>notions that Satan--in the guise of the Holy Spirit--whispers into
>their ears from time to time.
I didn't mean to "nail you". You should know by now that when people
use incorrect words/grammar, I will comment, depending on my mood. And
I would call the above correction a polite one. In America, among the
less educated, (not meaning you) substituting "then" for "than" is a
common mistake of ignorance. If you feel nailed, I apologize. That
truly was not my intent. Thus far, other than being monotonous and
brick headed (just like me at times), you've been relatively nice; I
hope you can say the same about me, other than I have grown tired of
the back-and-forth going nowhere.l
>
>
>
>>>This is really starting to seem like a fixation.
>>
>>
>>I keep wondering why Roman Catholics keep feeling like they have to
>>come into a non-Roman Catholic group to "defend" a "faith" that "needs
>>no defending".... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>We don't. But when people ignorant about Catholicism post their inane
>drivel *in* *arc-rc*, I will defend my faith. Which part of that is
>so hard to understand? I will use smaller words if need be.
>
I don't believe I insulted you, other than your over-sensitivity about
my correction. And at this point, I will let your insult slide. At
this point. But don't call me ignorant about Catholicism. I could
likely tell you LOTS that you believe. I just INTERPRET what you
believe VERY differently. And Roman Catholics have been taught to be
HIGHLY INTOLERANT of any interpretation BUT theirs.
>
>>And so long as Roman Catholics come into the baptist group to
>>preach/proselytize/defend Roman Catholic heresies
>>(anti-/contra-Biblical dogma), I and other born-agains will defend the
>>true Gospel of the Christ. Someone has to.
>
>Fine. But consider that your very concept of "Born Again" (as *you*
>view it) is heretical. So where does that leave you, Kemosabe?
>
You have now called the Bible "heresy" as I merely quote John 3.
>
>>You guys keep calling me a liar for pointing out Rome's many errors,
>>lies, and heresies. All *I* am doing is quoting the BIBLE!!
>
>And I can do the same to make you look like Beelzebub. What's your
>point?
Which only means that Satan can quote scripture better than either of
us.
And with your last two HUGE insults, I leave you.
There's nothing but more of your bs demonic insults below. I knew if I
pushed you hard enough, your demons would emerge.
So much for "reconciliation." You see Satan in me; vice versa.
I'll pray you find Him before you die and wake up VERY hot.
(there's no purgatory where atheists go to get a 2nd chance)
jw
>
>
>>Paul and Peter were both abused, maligned, lied about, tortured, and
>>eventually murdered for opposing the spirit of anti-Christ, including
>>the one seated at the Vatican. I may well face the same sort of death.
>>But I will defend the faith of Peter and Paul as long as God gives me
>>breath. Call it obsession? I call it the faith of Christ.
>
>Call it whatever you want. You are incorrect.
>
>
>>I also have noted with predicted amusement your continued dodge of my
>>request for your "personal testimony" of when you became a born-again
>>Christian as you claim to be.
>
>And I note, with much amusement and jollity, your continued refusal to
>specify what you mean by that.
>
>
>Alberich
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On 27 Feb 2004 21:57:49 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:04:17 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>On 27 Feb 2004 07:51:02 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:25:28 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>RCC Examined-12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Purgatory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rome teaches that when Catholics die in an unperfected state, they
must
>>>>>>enter an intermediate realm of punishment called "purgatory" before
being
>>>>>>released to heaven. Those who have ac***ulated sins which have not
been
>>>>>>sufficiently atoned for through penance must endure the sufferings
of
>>>>>>purgatory until the soul is refined and God's justice has been
satisfied.
>>>>>>The torments of this halfway hell can vary in intensity, severity,
and
>>>>>>duration depending upon the guilt, impurity, lack of proper
penance, or
>>>>>>sorrow of the sufferer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Catholics are kept in fear all their lives by the prospects of
going to
>>>>>>this imaginary place. But Rome teaches that the period of suffering
in
>>>>>>purgatory can be shortened by gifts of money, prayers by the
priests, and
>>>>>>m*****. Catholicism also stresses that friends and relatives can
help
>>>>>>lessen the time that loved ones remain in purgatory and even
relieve their
>>>>>>suffering by financing m***** on their behalf. Rome collects
millions of
>>>>>>dollars each year from grieving individuals who willingly pay to
alleviate
>>>>>>the agonies of those in purgatory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, this frightening doctrine cannot find a single verse in
the
>>>>>>entire Bible to sup****t it. Rome has had to rely on ingenious
twistings of
>>>>>>the Scriptures to defend this terrifying teaching, along with an
isolated
>>>>>>passage from the apocryphal book of II Maccabees (12:39-45).
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is EXACTLY why they use the A. If they didn't have the A,
they'd
>>>>>have NO justification for these heresies.
>>>>
>>>>Which is EXACTLY why Protestants don't use the D-Cs. If they had the
>>>>D-Cs, they'd have to admit claiming no justification was a heresy.
>>>>
>>>>Seriously, don't you two have anything better to do (like discuss
what
>>>>you *do* believe, perhaps) then continuing to harp on about the RCC?
>>>
>>>Nope. Don't you have anything better to do THAN (not "then")
>>>continuing to harp on about REAL (NON-Catholic ) Christianity?
>>
>>Wow--you got me there, John. I mis-typed something late at night and
>>you *nailed* me on it. Feel better? =) And I guess that no, I don't
>>have something better to do than try to dispel people of heretical
>>notions that Satan--in the guise of the Holy Spirit--whispers into
>>their ears from time to time.
>
>I didn't mean to "nail you". You should know by now that when people
>use incorrect words/grammar, I will comment, depending on my mood. And
>I would call the above correction a polite one. In America, among the
>less educated, (not meaning you) substituting "then" for "than" is a
>common mistake of ignorance. If you feel nailed, I apologize. That
>truly was not my intent. Thus far, other than being monotonous and
>brick headed (just like me at times), you've been relatively nice; I
>hope you can say the same about me, other than I have grown tired of
>the back-and-forth going nowhere.l
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>This is really starting to seem like a fixation.
>>>
>>>
>>>I keep wondering why Roman Catholics keep feeling like they have to
>>>come into a non-Roman Catholic group to "defend" a "faith" that "needs
>>>no defending".... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>
>>We don't. But when people ignorant about Catholicism post their inane
>>drivel *in* *arc-rc*, I will defend my faith. Which part of that is
>>so hard to understand? I will use smaller words if need be.
>>
>I don't believe I insulted you, other than your over-sensitivity about
>my correction. And at this point, I will let your insult slide. At
>this point. But don't call me ignorant about Catholicism. I could
>likely tell you LOTS that you believe. I just INTERPRET what you
>believe VERY differently. And Roman Catholics have been taught to be
>HIGHLY INTOLERANT of any interpretation BUT theirs.
This is not true. Roman Catholics are *not* taught intolerance, and
Vatican II makes that especially clear!
>>>And so long as Roman Catholics come into the baptist group to
>>>preach/proselytize/defend Roman Catholic heresies
>>>(anti-/contra-Biblical dogma), I and other born-agains will defend the
>>>true Gospel of the Christ. Someone has to.
>>
>>Fine. But consider that your very concept of "Born Again" (as *you*
>>view it) is heretical. So where does that leave you, Kemosabe?
>>
>You have now called the Bible "heresy" as I merely quote John 3.
No, I consider the widely held intepretation of that passage to be
heretical.
>>>You guys keep calling me a liar for pointing out Rome's many errors,
>>>lies, and heresies. All *I* am doing is quoting the BIBLE!!
>>
>>And I can do the same to make you look like Beelzebub. What's your
>>point?
>
>Which only means that Satan can quote scripture better than either of
>us.
Exactly!
>And with your last two HUGE insults, I leave you.
>There's nothing but more of your bs demonic insults below. I knew if I
>pushed you hard enough, your demons would emerge.
>
>So much for "reconciliation." You see Satan in me; vice versa.
I don't see Satan in you--I see confusion.
>I'll pray you find Him before you die and wake up VERY hot.
>(there's no purgatory where atheists go to get a 2nd chance)
You're right about that! That's not the purpose of it at all!
Alberich
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>On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>
>>>RCC Examined-12
>>>
>>>Purgatory
>>>
>>>Rome teaches that when Catholics die in an unperfected state, they
must
>>>enter an intermediate realm of punishment called "purgatory" before
being
>>>released to heaven. Those who have ac***ulated sins which have not
been
>>>sufficiently atoned for through penance must endure the sufferings of
>>>purgatory until the soul is refined and God's justice has been
satisfied.
>>>The torments of this halfway hell can vary in intensity, severity, and
>>>duration depending upon the guilt, impurity, lack of proper penance,
or
>>>sorrow of the sufferer.
>>>
>>>Catholics are kept in fear all their lives by the prospects of going
to
>>>this imaginary place. But Rome teaches that the period of suffering in
>>>purgatory can be shortened by gifts of money, prayers by the priests,
and
>>>m*****. Catholicism also stresses that friends and relatives can help
>>>lessen the time that loved ones remain in purgatory and even relieve
their
>>>suffering by financing m***** on their behalf. Rome collects millions
of
>>>dollars each year from grieving individuals who willingly pay to
alleviate
>>>the agonies of those in purgatory.
>>>
>>>However, this frightening doctrine cannot find a single verse in the
>>>entire Bible to sup****t it. Rome has had to rely on ingenious
twistings of
>>>the Scriptures to defend this terrifying teaching, along with an
isolated
>>>passage from the apocryphal book of II Maccabees (12:39-45).
>>
>>Which is EXACTLY why they use the A. If they didn't have the A, they'd
>>have NO justification for these heresies.
>
>Which is EXACTLY why Protestants don't use the D-Cs. If they had the
>D-Cs, they'd have to admit claiming no justification was a heresy.
>
>Seriously, don't you two have anything better to do (like discuss what
>you *do* believe, perhaps) then continuing to harp on about the RCC?
>This is really starting to seem like a fixation.
BTW, I believe in freedom of religion, and freedom of speech. And I
exercise both, including in here.
And if you don't like it, you are one of a long list of folk who I
invite to not read my posts.
I have noted with major amusement how many "Christians" in here have
stopped reading me and who only talk ugly ABOUT me these days because
I believe in the "priesthood" of the believer (we each have direct
access to God, and not through the goddess Mary or the god Pete)
Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...
All "Christians", all couched in their own "Ya gotta be like me"
apostasies. I reject that. I choose to be like Christ, not like men.
jw
>
>Alberich
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> I choose to be like Christ, not like men.
>
> jw
>
Well you certainly screwed that up
Thank God Jesus is nothing like you
Nothing AT ALL like you
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On 27 Feb 2004 07:57:49 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:25:28 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>On 26 Feb 2004 22:51:53 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:01:56 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>>
>>>>RCC Examined-12
>>>>
>>>>Purgatory
>>>>
>>>>Rome teaches that when Catholics die in an unperfected state, they
must
>>>>enter an intermediate realm of punishment called "purgatory" before
being
>>>>released to heaven. Those who have ac***ulated sins which have not
been
>>>>sufficiently atoned for through penance must endure the sufferings of
>>>>purgatory until the soul is refined and God's justice has been
satisfied.
>>>>The torments of this halfway hell can vary in intensity, severity,
and
>>>>duration depending upon the guilt, impurity, lack of proper penance,
or
>>>>sorrow of the sufferer.
>>>>
>>>>Catholics are kept in fear all their lives by the prospects of going
to
>>>>this imaginary place. But Rome teaches that the period of suffering
in
>>>>purgatory can be shortened by gifts of money, prayers by the priests,
and
>>>>m*****. Catholicism also stresses that friends and relatives can help
>>>>lessen the time that loved ones remain in purgatory and even relieve
their
>>>>suffering by financing m***** on their behalf. Rome collects millions
of
>>>>dollars each year from grieving individuals who willingly pay to
alleviate
>>>>the agonies of those in purgatory.
>>>>
>>>>However, this frightening doctrine cannot find a single verse in the
>>>>entire Bible to sup****t it. Rome has had to rely on ingenious
twistings of
>>>>the Scriptures to defend this terrifying teaching, along with an
isolated
>>>>passage from the apocryphal book of II Maccabees (12:39-45).
>>>
>>>Which is EXACTLY why they use the A. If they didn't have the A, they'd
>>>have NO justification for these heresies.
>>
>>Which is EXACTLY why Protestants don't use the D-Cs. If they had the
>>D-Cs, they'd have to admit claiming no justification was a heresy.
>>
>>Seriously, don't you two have anything better to do (like discuss what
>>you *do* believe, perhaps) then continuing to harp on about the RCC?
>>This is really starting to seem like a fixation.
>
>BTW, I believe in freedom of religion, and freedom of speech. And I
>exercise both, including in here.
Well, that's commendable! But you must expect *other* people to
exercise the same rights--even when they disagree with you!
>And if you don't like it, you are one of a long list of folk who I
>invite to not read my posts.
There are few people I out-and-out won't read, typically just the
obvious trolls.
> I have noted with major amusement how many "Christians" in here have
>stopped reading me and who only talk ugly ABOUT me these days because
>I believe in the "priesthood" of the believer (we each have direct
>access to God, and not through the goddess Mary or the god Pete)
>
>Elaine, John H, Deacon, galia, Jim Agar...
>
>All "Christians", all couched in their own "Ya gotta be like me"
>apostasies. I reject that. I choose to be like Christ, not like men.
Good. We agree there.
Alberich
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Subject: Re: Just what is required to attain salvation? I want
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>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> >> > Fair question. I would argue not. Christ said:
> >> > Luke 17:3-4
> >> > 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you,
rebuke him;
> >> and if
> >> > he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times
in a
> >> day, and
> >> > seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall
forgive
> >> him."
> >> > NKJV
> >> >
> >> > note that if the brother sins and does not repent he won't be
asking for
> >> > forgiveness in the first place. If someone knows that they sin
and
> >> refuses to
> >> > repent they don't want forgiveness and will not receive it. Mind
you
this
> >> is a
> >> > simplistic answer and there is more to this issue.
> >> >
> >> That's okay, we are on the same page. ;o)
> >
> >Good. :-)
>
> And Deacon misses another bad pitch. It's NOT good, Deacon. How does
> an infant repent?
>
> Not that you're going to answer me, not that you will even see this...
>
> However, that aloofness is on you, not me.
Keep your accusations to yourself or don't expect an answer to further
statements.
An infant doesn't need to repent as I see it. Check my last statement.
The
issue isn't simple and there is much more to it. I believe that children
are
innocent until they grasp the difference between what is truly right and
wrong.
How can any infant understand what sin is or who Christ is? They can't
they
aren't capable yet. They must grow up a little and gain the ability to
know who
Jesus is and what He did for us. They need to know what sin is before
they are
guilty. This is also a short answer to this reply and there is more to
it.
Recall what Jesus said to the disciples about the little children who
wished to
go to Him.
Shalom,
Deacon
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>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:11:15 -0700, "Deacon"
> <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >news:c1hg64$1jmqrq$5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> "Deacon" <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >> > "Scout Lady" <huoauk502@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > > "Deacon" <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> > > news:403ae192$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > "TDP" <tparsons10@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> > > > news:ggtk305vvdhpat6gfbdjcfketcfaict9fk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:53:42 -0700, "Deacon"
> >> > > > > <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >So tell it to is in as few words as possible. What must
happen for
> >> the
> >> > > > sinner
> >> > > > > >to be saved? What must occur for the lost to be found?
What
does
> >> > > salvation
> >> > > > > >require of us?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >Looking forward to all the various viewpoints on this.
Please
> >> remember
> >> > > to
> >> > > > keep
> >> > > > > >you answer biblical and that as I started this I will
challenge
> >> > > everything
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > >is "extra-biblical" in my view.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >Shalom,
> >> > > > > >Deacon
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Repent, Repent, Repent!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Doesn't asking for forgiveness go along with that?
> >> > > >
> >> > > A question for you Deacon. Can someone who refuses to repent of
their
> >> sin be
> >> > > forgiven?
> >> >
> >> > Fair question. I would argue not. Christ said:
> >> > Luke 17:3-4
> >> > 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you,
rebuke
him;
> >> and if
> >> > he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times
in
a
> >> day, and
> >> > seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall
forgive
> >> him."
> >> > NKJV
> >> >
> >> > note that if the brother sins and does not repent he won't be
asking
for
> >> > forgiveness in the first place. If someone knows that they sin
and
> >> refuses to
> >> > repent they don't want forgiveness and will not receive it. Mind
you
this
> >> is a
> >> > simplistic answer and there is more to this issue.
> >> >
> >> That's okay, we are on the same page. ;o)
> >
> >Good. :-)
>
> And Deacon misses another bad pitch. It's NOT good, Deacon. How does
> an infant repent?
>
How did your son at age 3? How about you at age 5? What did you two need
to
repent of?
> Not that you're going to answer me, not that you will even see this...
>
> However, that aloofness is on you, not me.
>
You know I can respect that some here have a different understanding of
Baptism than I do. I have to say though the people that believe in
Baptism
only when a person has the mental capacity to understand what they are
doing
are at least consistant. Do you even realize how silly you sound
condemning
other Baptismal practices when in other posts you tell us how a 3 year
old
accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior? I will tell you right now there is
no
3 year old that is mentally and spiritually able to do so. Furthermore a
3
year old or even a 5 year old like an infant has nothing to repent of,
even
if they do wrong they are not culpable because they don't know what sin
is
and how it affects our relation****p with God.
This isn't your topic Jon, Deacon started it and has moderated it and did
so
for a reason. He asked for everyone's viewpoint, he didn't ask you to
moderate it along with him and no one but you is looking to pick a fight.
Must you try to be the center of attention all the time?
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>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:46:22 GMT, "FBC" <fbcnoreply@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >"Deacon" <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >news:403d088d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> "FBC" <fbcnoreply@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> news:yr6%b.702$OB2.198@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> > "Deacon" <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> > news:403849dc$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > So tell it to is in as few words as possible. What must happen
for
> >the
> >> > sinner
> >> > > to be saved? What must occur for the lost to be found? What
does
> >> > salvation
> >> > > require of us?
> >> > >
> >> > > Looking forward to all the various viewpoints on this. Please
> >remember to
> >> > keep
> >> > > you answer biblical and that as I started this I will challenge
> >everything
> >> > that
> >> > > is "extra-biblical" in my view.
> >> > >
> >> > > Shalom,
> >> > > Deacon
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > I have been too busy lately and missed the beginning of this
thread,
but
> >now
> >> > that I have read it I want to comment, but first thanks to the
> >originator
> >> > for posing the question and for keeping a gentle spirit in
moderating
> >it.
> >> >
> >> > I begin by looking at it differently and stating it in the
shortest
> >possible
> >> > manner.
> >> >
> >> > A person is saved if God decides their actions to try and attain
> >salvation
> >> > are acceptable.
> >> >
> >> > I state it from that angle first because I want us all to remember
that
> >> > God's opinion is what really matters in this issue. I believe
that
He
> >> > revealed pretty well what He would accept so let me approach it
from
> >that
> >> > angle next.
> >> >
> >> > What does God find acceptable.
> >> > Matters of belief - Jesus is God's Son, Died and was
resurrected,
> >and
> >> > thereby can save.
> >> > Matters of submission - turning away from sin and toward God,
asking
> >> > Jesus to save you.
> >> >
> >> > I am assuming sincerity on the effort to turn away from sin and to
live
> >for
> >> > God as well as sincerity in the request for Jesus to save, but not
> >perfect
> >> > obedience. I am think that a lot of other beliefs would be
helpful,
but
> >are
> >> > not absolutely necessary for salvation.
> >> >
> >> > Here is a brief discussion of the sticky points in my belief.
(Just
to
> >help
> >> > those who want to quibble with me.)
> >> > I think that belief is not enough but that you have to go to
Jesus
> >in
> >> > prayer and ask for it.
> >> > I think that you have to have a relatively sound understanding
of
> >who
> >> > Jesus is or else it is like asking the wrong Jesus for salvation.
> >> > I don't think that you have to have a perfect understanding of
all
> >> > Christian doctrine, or for that matter hardly any other doctrine.
> >> > I believe that repentance is accepted by future intent rather
than
> >> > future action, because none of us perfectly stop sinning, but if
it
is
> >our
> >> > intent to stop and live for God.
> >> > I believe that this salvation must come directly from God not
> >through a
> >> > priest, church or series of sacraments.
> >> >
> >> > PC
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Quite well stated. I agree in that we must accept the gift on God's
> >terms. The
> >> gift of salvation is free, yet it requires us to humble ourselves
before
> >God and
> >> accept that we are sinful. To that end we realize that we need to
be
> >reconciled
> >> to God through Christ. We need belief and faith in Christ which is
> >genuine or
> >> else we're kidding ourselves. It serves no purpose to try and fool
God,
> >"'cause
> >> that ain't gonna work." Thanks for this reply.
> >>
> >> Shalom,
> >> Deacon
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Part of what I think is very intriguing / interesting about this
discussion
> >is to explore the doctrine side of it. That is to say, I listed very
few
> >things that had to be believed in order to be saved. But I left off a
> >multitude of beliefs which are correct, but not necessary for
salvation.
> >However I expected someone to latch on to at least some of them. For
> >example can one reject the virgin birth and still be saved.
>
> I disagree. For a man is not capable of saving us. The virgin birth is
> REQUIRED to provide us a Lord who is God.
>
> I said yes, but
> >if so how, since they obviously believe that Jesus was born in sin,
> >therefore He could not have been a perfect sacrifice? Or perhaps that
is
> >not a problem since people who reject the virgin birth also reject the
idea
> >of original sin?
>
> If you break it down, we believe in the Christ who is God in flesh. If
> your Christ (not YOU) was not virgin born, He is not the Christ of
> scripture. Can "another Christ" (one not virgin born) save us? no.
>
> >
> >One friend use to tell me that you had to believe in the inspiration
of
> >Scripture to be saved.
>
> Yep. Think about it. Each issue you have raised in this post is an
> issue upon which Satan attacks Christianity. If He was not virgin
> born, we're going to Hell.
>
> If the Bible is not God-breathed, it's all a myth, and we're going to
> Hell.
>
> His reasoning was that without this revelation of
> >God to testify to the salvation available in Jesus Christ, how could
they
> >possibly believe that Jesus is who He said and can do what He
promised.
>
> Yep.
>
> It's called a package deal. Which is why, as part of my training for
> evangelism, we were required to encourage a person towards accepting
> the Bible as God inspired. For if it is not, there is no standard!
>
>
> jw
>
> >
> >Anyway.
> >
> >PC
>
> btw, I gather that your real name is "Politically Correct." ??
>
> ;-)
Although I don't think I agree with all of your statements you certainly
see
why the question I raised was so significant.
I agree that all of these add up to correct doctrine, but I do not
believe
that grace only applies to action, but also to belief. In other words I
don't believe that we have to have every detail correct before Christ
accepts us, but as we both mentioned at different times, if you design
your
own Jesus then you are believing in the wrong one - and therefore are not
saved.
Although, just to pick on you in a good natured way. If all of these
things
are necessary for salvation then you should have listed them in your
original post to Deacons question. Instead you claimed a simple gospel,
quoted John 3, Romans 10 and said that covered. it. But if you believe
that
all these doctrines are necessary then you should have mentioned them.
(But
of course one of the problems us Baptists have is that we often have a
bigger set of rules to stay in than we have to enter in, something we
should
be careful about)
Now about that PC. LOL It does not stand for Politically Correct!
Actually it is a habit to sign certain letters with a title and a nick
name.
Not being sure I wanted to reveal my identity to a newsgroup I just put
the
initial of the title and the initial of the nickname. But if you are
really
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>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:11:26 GMT, "FBC" <fbcnoreply@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Deacon" <aServant@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >news:403849dc$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> So tell it to is in as few words as possible. What must happen for
the
> >sinner
> >> to be saved? What must occur for the lost to be found? What does
> >salvation
> >> require of us?
> >>
> >> Looking forward to all the various viewpoints on this. Please
remember
to
> >keep
> >> you answer biblical and that as I started this I will challenge
everything
> >that
> >> is "extra-biblical" in my view.
> >>
> >> Shalom,
> >> Deacon
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I have been too busy lately and missed the beginning of this thread,
but
now
> >that I have read it I want to comment, but first thanks to the
originator
> >for posing the question and for keeping a gentle spirit in moderating
it.
> >
> >I begin by looking at it differently and stating it in the shortest
possible
> >manner.
> >
> >A person is saved if God decides their actions to try and attain
salvation
> >are acceptable.
> >
> >I state it from that angle first because I want us all to remember
that
> >God's opinion is what really matters in this issue. I believe that He
> >revealed pretty well what He would accept so let me approach it from
that
> >angle next.
> >
> >What does God find acceptable.
> > Matters of belief - Jesus is God's Son, Died and was resurrected,
and
> >thereby can save.
> > Matters of submission - turning away from sin and toward God,
asking
> >Jesus to save you.
> >
> >I am assuming sincerity on the effort to turn away from sin and to
live
for
> >God as well as sincerity in the request for Jesus to save, but not
perfect
> >obedience. I am think that a lot of other beliefs would be helpful,
but
are
> >not absolutely necessary for salvation.
> >
> >Here is a brief discussion of the sticky points in my belief. (Just
to
help
> >those who want to quibble with me.)
> > I think that belief is not enough but that you have to go to Jesus
in
> >prayer and ask for it.
> > I think that you have to have a relatively sound understanding of
who
> >Jesus is or else it is like asking the wrong Jesus for salvation.
> > I don't think that you have to have a perfect understanding of all
> >Christian doctrine, or for that matter hardly any other doctrine.
> > I believe that repentance is accepted by future intent rather than
> >future action, because none of us perfectly stop sinning, but if it is
our
> >intent to stop and live for God.
> > I believe that this salvation must come directly from God not
through
a
> >priest, church or series of sacraments.
> >
> >PC
>
> Right on, with one tiny--but I believe crucial--correction. We do not
> ask to "be saved." I do not believe you will find that wording
> anywhere in the NT. (kindly correct me if I am wrong)
>
> The simplest plan of salvation I have ever encountered (and some 40
> years of successful evangelism have taught me the basics and what
> works in soul-winning) is in two passages. John 3:16-17 and Romans
> 10:9
>
> We see three actions required for our salvation (this is not to DELETE
> from your remarks, but to clarify/add to)
>
> - Belief on Him as God in flesh and OUR Lord/Savior - whosoever
> believes
> - Confession - if you confess that He is YOUR Lord/Lord
> - Belief in His power - believe that God raised Him from the dead.
>
> With those few clarifications, FBC, a good, brief review.
>
> Now this is not where we "end up", but where we start.
>
> jw
>
Of course I responded to some others posts, but about that not having to
ask
thing.
You quote Romans 10:9-10 and mention the word confession. But who do you
confess to? Will telling me you want to be saved do the trick? No, you
confess to Christ, this is simply a Biblical way of stating what I mean
when
I say that you ask for salvation. This is clarified by verse 13 which
says
"Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Calling
upon
the name of the Lord sounds to be like speaking with God about it in
prayer.
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:23:47 +1100, "Rowland Croucher"
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>My wife Jan, a (Baptist) pastor, and the best-put-together Christian
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>
>Do you?
>
>(Careful... this is a test :-)!!!
>
>http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/articles/12208.htm
Cute. I just wish we wouldn't call each other "that." It is
demeaning.
As in, "I know a woman that..."
The correct word is, "I know a woman who..."
"that" is reserved for animals, plants, and inanimate objects (rocks,
chairs, TVs, computers)
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>In article <403d90f1$0$28870$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Rowland
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>
>-My wife Jan, a (Baptist) pastor, and the best-put-together Christian
woman I
>-know, thinks this is funny.
>-
>-Do you?
>-
>-(Careful... this is a test :-)!!!
>-
>-http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/articles/12208.htm
>-
>---
>-
>-OH GOODNESS!!
>
>I laughed so hard I ALMOSY needed a washcloth!!
NOW I know why my ex- used to glow "down there" at night.
She also used to glitter each tit. She called the glitter my
"targets".
jw
>
>You're a baaaaaaddd man........
>
>Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:51:54 +1100, pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
> And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
>
>Or do you ALL have KKK sympathies
Again, the pathological demoniac Ozzie/Phar Lap lies like the demon he
is. I NOWHERE EVER EVER said I approve of the KKK or am sympathetic
to ANYTHING they're doing.
Leave it to ozzie the demoniac, rather than smoothing things over, to
pour gasoline on the fire.
jw
>
>In which case I sincerely hope the FBI monitors
Ozzie, smooche, demoniac, you are truly pathetic.
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:29:16 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
>>
>> Or do you ALL have KKK sympathies
>>
>> In which case I sincerely hope the FBI monitors
>>
>I wouldn't give the KKK the time of day.
Nor would I.
jw
They're nothing but a bunch of
>hatefilled cowards.
Just like you.
I'd love to see their dumb hoods forcibly removed,
I'd love to see YOU removed from YOUR job where you could still hurt
people, like you are attempting to do now.
>and their lousy carc***** paraded through the streets for all to see.
>They're s***.
p k And Elaine is a psychotic windbag with a grudge, a true
man-hater.
jw
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:45:17 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
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>
>
>DOC wrote:
>>
>> In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
>> >
>> > Or do you ALL have KKK sympathies
>> >
>> > In which case I sincerely hope the FBI monitors
>> >
>> I wouldn't give the KKK the time of day. They're nothing but a bunch
of
>> hatefilled cowards.
>
>Hatefilled coward reminds me of you big momma!
and you, Jimm.
pk
jw
>
>> I'd love to see their dumb hoods forcibly removed,
>> and their lousy carc***** paraded through the streets for all to see.
>> They're s***.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ==================================================
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~JESUS is the ROCK!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> God doesn't call the qualified;
>> He qualifies the called!
>> ==================================================
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:14:00 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
<ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>Seattle John wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:45:17 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
>> <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >DOC wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> >> pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
>> >> >
>> >> > Or do you ALL have KKK sympathies
>> >> >
>> >> > In which case I sincerely hope the FBI monitors
>> >> >
>> >> I wouldn't give the KKK the time of day. They're nothing but a
bunch of
>> >> hatefilled cowards.
>> >
>> >Hatefilled coward reminds me of you big momma!
>>
>> and you, Jimm.
>
>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like that
>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma told
>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
>disappointed with the waste of your life?
Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
could have breathed that air!
jw
>jimmy
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On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:14:00 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
><ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Seattle John wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:45:17 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
>>> <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> >DOC wrote:
>>> >> In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>> >> pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be counted
SNIP
>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like that
>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma told
>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>could have breathed that air!
As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts that
are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose in
life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
those.
Jim appears to:
A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
C: A wife & family that still like him enough to be still around.
D: Able to purchase the minor things in life that his family enjoys.
E: Able to manage his finances to the point he does not have to count
on government assistance, such as food stamps.
Myself I get by on $120. a month for food, & sometimes have enough
left over for a book. Books that I buy are not inexpensive, reference
books rarely are. I suspect Jim does better than that, don't really
care.
The point, you will be hard pressed to present yourself favorably
compared to anyone I know of posting from the arb group.
>jw
walskalone who really does not care about the hole jw has dug for
himself, now if he just could quit exuding his toxic waste into my
presence, he would never hear from me.
He can't.
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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> On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive:yes
> >On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:14:00 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
> ><ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>Seattle John wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:45:17 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
> >>> <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> >DOC wrote:
> >>> >> In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001
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> >>> >> pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
> >>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be
counted
>
> SNIP
>
> >>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like
that
> >>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma
told
> >>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
> >>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>
> >Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
> >air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
> >could have breathed that air!
>
> As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
> one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts that
> are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose in
> life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
> those.
>
> Jim appears to:
> A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
> B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
> C: A wife & family that still like him enough to be still around.
> D: Able to purchase the minor things in life that his family enjoys.
> E: Able to manage his finances to the point he does not have to count
> on government assistance, such as food stamps.
The above is a stretch, but I am blessed with mother who loves her
little jimmy poo, and has the wherewithal to keep her precious in toys,
and other needful things required of a socialite, even if not a Nobel
Peace Prize Winner. :)
ujb
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>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 04:14:00 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
>><ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>Seattle John wrote:
>
>>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:45:17 GMT, Bracebridge Elaine's smoochie
>>>> <ujie_the_troll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> >DOC wrote:
>>>> >> In article <pintaguinness-2602041251540001
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>> >> pintaguinness@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be
counted
>
>SNIP
>
>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like that
>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma
told
>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>
>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>could have breathed that air!
>
>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts that
>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose in
>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>those.
You're talking to yourself again.
>
>Jim appears to:
>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
You continue to be a pig. I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
Down's Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy, too. In fact, I've seen your kind
knock legless folk out of their wheelchairs just to see how they get
back in.
jw
>C: A wife & family that still like him enough to be still around.
>D: Able to purchase the minor things in life that his family enjoys.
>E: Able to manage his finances to the point he does not have to count
>on government assistance, such as food stamps.
>Myself I get by on $120. a month for food, & sometimes have enough
>left over for a book. Books that I buy are not inexpensive, reference
>books rarely are. I suspect Jim does better than that, don't really
>care.
>
>The point, you will be hard pressed to present yourself favorably
>compared to anyone I know of posting from the arb group.
>
>
>>jw
>
>walskalone who really does not care about the hole jw has dug for
>himself, now if he just could quit exuding his toxic waste into my
>presence, he would never hear from me.
>
>He can't.
> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
>on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> [William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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On 27 Feb 2004 21:22:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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attempted to impress himself, as if anyone appears to care.
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:03 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
snip, including prior authors.
>>>>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be
counted
>>SNIP
>>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like
that
>>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma
told
>>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you haven't
>>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>>air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>>could have breathed that air!
>>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts that
>>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose in
>>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>>those.
>You're talking to yourself again.
Actually, I am observing the picture you paint of yourself. That you
don't like it is no concern of mine.
>>Jim appears to:
>>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
>You continue to be a pig. I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
Naw, I'll leave the so called bad habits of swine to you. Given a
choice, a pig is an extremely clean animal, & unlike you, it is
intelligent.
>Down's Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy, too. In fact, I've seen your kind
You can pu that make up brush back in your honey bucket, or quit
projecting. Whichever is easier on you.
>knock legless folk out of their wheelchairs just to see how they get
>back in.
So, you are saying that you lack the guts to do what you fantasise
about, so you project what you would like to do on others. No thanks,
I don't mind helping those that need my help through no fault of their
own.
IOW, I can & do help the people that you wish to harm according to the
fantasy you just posted.
BTW, quit beating your wife yet??
That is the same tactic you just tried on me, unlike you, I do not
have to think of things I would like to do to harm others that
disagree with me. If they are unable to back up their arguments, or in
your case lies, & they depart or quit lieing, ther is no problem.
If they demand the right to lie, I demand equal time.
Your call, shouldn't cost you but about $1,000 ED to find some one you
can call that will be willing to listen once they find out its you.
>jw
snip, its madnassty can't answer & can't be bothered.
walksalone who wonders, is john really as stupid as he is acting??
Could be, DIFINO
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>the demoniac
I have deciphered Johns code. To him the word Demonic means, " no
good f-ing SOB with S-it for a face!" And the word Demon, is the
same but with out a face.
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:24:22 GMT, The Last Church
<bleahcim49@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On 26 Feb 2004 23:15:42 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>>the demoniac
> I have deciphered Johns code. To him the word Demonic means, " no
>good f-ing SOB with S-it for a face!"
Actually, I think I probably coined the term "demonic". It means
simply "of demons." Which a person with a brain and some idea how to
use it could easily have figured out.
"Demon" simply means a fallen angel, an unclean spirit.
"Demoniac" simply means a person such as yourself who is possessed by
an unclean spirit, a "demon."
Does that help, oh mindless one?
And your filthy mouth in a Christian group is proof that you ARE a
demoniac.
But there IS deliverance; you need only ask.
jw
And the word Demon, is the
>same but with out a face.
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On 27 Feb 2004 08:04:51 -0800, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>Actually, I think I probably coined the term "demonic".
>>jw
>>
>
>Thank you for enriching our language with this worde.
>
>The word "demonic" dates from 1662:
>http://www.etymonline.com/d2etym.htm
>
>Your extraordinary age accounts for your superstitious mindset.
>
>When did you invent the Internet?
You continue to demonstrate absolutely NO SOH. Of course, to have a
SOH, you must be intelligent.
jw
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Subject: Re: In Defense of The Old KKK +
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:30:57 GMT
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On 27 Feb 2004 08:12:16 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
proceeded to tel the following lie right in front of gosh & everyone
else he could intrude on.
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:24:22 GMT, The Last Church
><bleahcim49@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>On 26 Feb 2004 23:15:42 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>>the demoniac
>> I have deciphered Johns code. To him the word Demonic means, " no
>>good f-ing SOB with S-it for a face!"
>Actually, I think I probably coined the term "demonic". It means
No, no you did not.
>simply "of demons." Which a person with a brain and some idea how to
>use it could easily have figured out.
& as usual, your lies are easily shown to be just that.
Compliments of m-w.com
BTW, oh trained journalist, please note the correct spelling.
Main Entry: 1deˇmoˇniˇac
Pronunciation: di-'mO-nE-"ak
Variant(s): also deˇmoˇniˇaˇcal /"dE-m&-'nI-&-k&l/
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English demoniak, from Late Latin daemoniacus, from
Greek daimoniakos, from daimon-, daimOn
1 : possessed or influenced by a demon
2 : of, relating to, or suggestive of a demon : FIENDISH <demoniac
cruelty>
So, is the audience to presume that given your clam, you are without a
brain? There is sup****tive evidence that people can live without a
functioning brain.
>"Demon" simply means a fallen angel, an unclean spirit.
Only in your mythology. AMOF, if you had the knowledge you pretend to
have, demons are gods. Granted they are minor gods, but gods for all
of that.
Demons are only automatically bad or evil in the xian mythology.
Even the early Israelite people didn't make your gross errors of
assumption, assuming they could speak for others.
Again, compliments of m-w.com
Main Entry: deˇmon
Variant(s): or daeˇmon /'dE-m&n/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English demon, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin
daemon evil spirit, from Latin, divinity, spirit, from Greek daimOn,
probably from daiesthai to distribute -- more at TIDE
1 a : an evil spirit b : a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or
ruin
2 usually daemon : an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS
3 usually daemon : a supernatural being of Greek mythology
intermediate between gods and men
4 : one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness <a
demon for work>
- deˇmoˇniˇan /di-'mO-nE-&n/ adjective
- deˇmonˇizaˇtion /"dE-m&-n&-'zA-sh&n/ noun
- deˇmonˇize /'dE-m&-"nIz/ transitive verb
>"Demoniac" simply means a person such as yourself who is possessed by
>an unclean spirit, a "demon."
Only in your mythology
>Does that help, oh mindless one?
Bragging on yourself again one notes, as well as the audience, if any.
>And your filthy mouth in a Christian group is proof that you ARE a
>demoniac.
As opposed to your filthy mouth & habit of attempting to denigrate
others. As in any that dare to point out your absurdities.
>But there IS deliverance; you need only ask.
Then why don't you. Dave Oldridge [?] has indicated he has the
training. After all, if he waves the magic wand & sprinkles you with
holy water, you might be able to read the KJV, a thing demons
supposedly can't do. Something about not being able to tolerate the
claimed word of god easily.
>jw
walksalone who notes that as usual, jw pretends to pools of knowledge
he can not demonstrate actually having. Not that anyone expects him
to.
As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
[William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:30:57 GMT, spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>On 27 Feb 2004 08:12:16 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>proceeded to tel the following lie right in front of gosh & everyone
>else he could intrude on.
>
>>x-no-archive:yes
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:24:22 GMT, The Last Church
>><bleahcim49@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>On 26 Feb 2004 23:15:42 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>>the demoniac
>>> I have deciphered Johns code. To him the word Demonic means, " no
>>>good f-ing SOB with S-it for a face!"
>
>>Actually, I think I probably coined the term "demonic". It means
>
>No, no you did not.
LOL!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
I caught ANOTHER one! Absolutely NO SOH!!!
jw
>
>>simply "of demons." Which a person with a brain and some idea how to
>>use it could easily have figured out.
>
>& as usual, your lies are easily shown to be just that.
>Compliments of m-w.com
>BTW, oh trained journalist, please note the correct spelling.
>
>Main Entry: 1deˇmoˇniˇac
>Pronunciation: di-'mO-nE-"ak
>Variant(s): also deˇmoˇniˇaˇcal /"dE-m&-'nI-&-k&l/
>Function: adjective
>Etymology: Middle English demoniak, from Late Latin daemoniacus, from
>Greek daimoniakos, from daimon-, daimOn
>1 : possessed or influenced by a demon
>2 : of, relating to, or suggestive of a demon : FIENDISH <demoniac
>cruelty>
>
>So, is the audience to presume that given your clam, you are without a
>brain? There is sup****tive evidence that people can live without a
>functioning brain.
>
>>"Demon" simply means a fallen angel, an unclean spirit.
>
>Only in your mythology. AMOF, if you had the knowledge you pretend to
>have, demons are gods. Granted they are minor gods, but gods for all
>of that.
>Demons are only automatically bad or evil in the xian mythology.
>Even the early Israelite people didn't make your gross errors of
>assumption, assuming they could speak for others.
>
>Again, compliments of m-w.com
>Main Entry: deˇmon
>Variant(s): or daeˇmon /'dE-m&n/
>Function: noun
>Etymology: Middle English demon, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin
>daemon evil spirit, from Latin, divinity, spirit, from Greek daimOn,
>probably from daiesthai to distribute -- more at TIDE
>1 a : an evil spirit b : a source or agent of evil, harm, distress, or
>ruin
>2 usually daemon : an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS
>3 usually daemon : a supernatural being of Greek mythology
>intermediate between gods and men
>4 : one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness <a
>demon for work>
>- deˇmoˇniˇan /di-'mO-nE-&n/ adjective
>- deˇmonˇizaˇtion /"dE-m&-n&-'zA-sh&n/ noun
>- deˇmonˇize /'dE-m&-"nIz/ transitive verb
>
>>"Demoniac" simply means a person such as yourself who is possessed by
>>an unclean spirit, a "demon."
>
>Only in your mythology
>
>>Does that help, oh mindless one?
>
>Bragging on yourself again one notes, as well as the audience, if any.
>
>>And your filthy mouth in a Christian group is proof that you ARE a
>>demoniac.
>
>As opposed to your filthy mouth & habit of attempting to denigrate
>others. As in any that dare to point out your absurdities.
>
>>But there IS deliverance; you need only ask.
>
>Then why don't you. Dave Oldridge [?] has indicated he has the
>training. After all, if he waves the magic wand & sprinkles you with
>holy water, you might be able to read the KJV, a thing demons
>supposedly can't do. Something about not being able to tolerate the
>claimed word of god easily.
>
>>jw
>
>walksalone who notes that as usual, jw pretends to pools of knowledge
>he can not demonstrate actually having. Not that anyone expects him
>to.
> As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs
>on, so the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> [William Blake, from Proverbs of Hell ]
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>> On 25 Feb 2004 08:25:05 -0800, EliyahuSilver@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Eliyahu)
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>
>> >Bs'd
>
>> >..Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy
>> >Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .....
>
>> Liar, liar, pants on fire! Something is wrong with you. I've told
>> you half a dozen times now. You are wrong, and you are lying, and you
>> are in a Christian group.
>
>And you're a fool.
Now that you've demonstrated you know the word, go say it in your
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Always glad to help! :-)
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you
> >> are in a Christian group.
> >And you're a fool.
> Now that you've demonstrated you know the word, go say it in your
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> Always glad to help! :-)
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