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On 5 Apr 2004 19:49:08 GMT, john w wrote:
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(Joe
> Cipriani) wrote:
> john w responded
>>Teresita <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>news:<c4pbu60293q@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> In article <MPG.1ad9c60a217d7b24989fc6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, DOC
>>> says...
>>> >
>>>
>>> >FYI, SATURDAY is the correct Sabbath Day. Jesus was a JEW. The day
>>> >of wor****p was changed BY MERE MEN to Sunday.
>>> >
>>> And when was this change? Before 70 AD, when some of the Apostles
>>> were still alive:
>
> Acts 2:
>
> AC 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one
> place.
>
> AC 2:2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from
> heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
>
> AC 2:3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and
> came to rest on each of them.
>
> AC 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak
> in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
>
> Pentecost SUNDAY arrived, and the apostles and disciples were together
> that Sunday Morning, holding Sunday wor****p services.
>
>
>
> AC 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.
> Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next
> day, kept on talking until midnight.
>
> AC 20:8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were
> meeting.
>
> AC 20:9 Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was
> sinking into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound
> asleep, he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up
> dead.
>
> You don't need to look outside the Bible to find Sunday Christian
> wor****p. There are at least 3 Sunday Christian services mentioned in
> the New Testament.
>
> jw
>
>>>
>>> "But every Lord?s day...gather yourselves together and break bread,
>>> and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions,
>>> that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance
>>> with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled,
>>> that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
>>
>>
>>This question is for Teresita,
>>
>>I visited your website. I have a question. What does Borg, Xena the
>>Warrior and Pink Unicorns have to do with our salvation through our
>>Lord Christ Jesus?
>>
>>Joe Cipriani
>
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> On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:13:50 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In article <71bd538c.0404031214.f62c919@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>shankarees@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> Satan's SDA Cult are obssessed with Saturday. They actually wor****p
>>> the day more than they wor****p God. Maybe they consider their God
>>> is Saturn or the Saturday of the Week.
>>>
>>> It is a strange belief system but these people are crazy.
>>>
>>> They mention Saturday more than they mention anything in the Bible.
>>>
>>> Adventist fools waste their time on crazy observances because their
>>> master is the Devil himself.
>>>
>>> Shan
>>
>>FYI, SATURDAY is the correct Sabbath Day. Jesus was a JEW. The day of
>>wor****p was changed BY MERE MEN to Sunday.
>>
>>And while SDA's do have some strange practices, they are not led by
>>Satan.
>
> When SDAs DEMAND that we all MUST wor****p on Sabbath or be in danger
> of Hellfire, as Andrew and others present it, THAT is "doctrines of
> demons".
>
> jw
>
>>
>>
>>>
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> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:28:00 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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>>"Joe Cipriani" <SubscriptionsJC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> However, I have yet to met the man or woman
>>> who can honor our God and Lord Christ Jesus everyday. That is why he
>>> gives us the Sabbath - not as a burdon as the nation of Israel made
>>> it out to be but as a joy that is there is one day we can set our
>>> worldly troubles aside and devote it to our Lord Christ Jesus.
>>>
>>You don't associate with many Christians then Joe because I know
>>several people who do just that. If you can only honor Jesus on
>>Saturdays it is time to examine your conscience and ask the Lord to
>>show you why that is so.
>
> And it is high time for YOU, Cathy, to name the pastor friend of mine
> you spoke with who gave you INTIMATE details of my life.
>
> jw
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> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:07:16 -0600, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>walksalone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>ole news'froup...!
>>> On 3 Apr 2004 08:45:54 GMT, john w wrote:
>>>
>>> > was announced on that news program was that ANY material can be
>>> > copyrighted merely by marking it copyrighted. That would mean that
>>> > the ANNOUCENEMT of intent to copyright, as in "I'm working on a
>>> > book that will included MUCH material from this group.", is
>>> > sufficient.
>>>
>>> Intent has yet to gain legal standing by marking any usenet post
>>> with a copyright notice.
>>>
>>And WHO would want his 'posts' in any book anyway?
>>As usual, he is talking through his hat.
>>
>>> > Since I announced my intentions to use this group's material for a
>>> > book, my stuff became copyrighted a year ago.
>>>
>>Then if this was the case, he would ALSO require the written
>>permission of EVERYONE whose posts he planned to use.
>>
>>> As opposed to their rights to protect themselves should you ever get
>>> a lawyer desperate to actually sue them in a court of law. right of
>>> self defense overrides your greed so far.
>>>
>>right on. The judge would laugh him straight out of the courtroom and
>>right into the nearest mental hospital.
>>
>>
>>> > No one else in here that I am aware of OTHER than Elaine (if she's
>>> > truly been published), can make the claim that their writing is
>>> > copyrighted, since Elaine makes no pretense of being a
>>> > professional writing. Her gainful employment has been and
>>> > continues to be nursing.
>>>
>>^^^^^^^^for his info, YES I AM a published author, having written a
>>couple of books in aid of Literacy for adult learners.
>
> I have never denied that Elaine has had books published; she made
> that claim; I merely refer to her claim.
>
> Yet Elaine, with NO knowledge to the contrary, other than her
> *****iness, has NUMEROUS times declared that I am "no writer." Which
> libel she may have to defend in court.
>
> jw
>
>>I am also working on another book, a combination text / workbook
>>geared to adult learners, which is all I'll bother saying at this
>>juncture......
>
> Congratulations. And I am working on half-a-dozen books at this point.
>
>>But, unlike johnny, I don't feel the necessity to scream at everyone
>>'I AM A PUBLISHED AUTHOR!'......
>
> I never gave you permission to call me "Johnny" Ice Queen.
>
> And I have declared myself a published author in response to numerous
> questions. Looks to me like Elaine is bragging here about all the
> books SHE's written. Of course, it's ok if Elaine brags! It's Elaine!
>
> and gee, just imagine- I didn't have to go
>>to any 'special journalism' course either. I just wrote, got accepted,
>>and published.
>
> "Special journalism course?" Since when is a BA degree "a special
> journalism course?"
>
> I went to university for 4 years to learn writing from the pros, that
> is, others who had been consistently PUBLISHED, and who were working
> within the medium.
>
> I see no reason to apologize for that. Apparently, Elaine's AA is
> making her jealous.
>
>
>>I also enjoy working on learning aids, such as special cards, visual
>>aids, etc.....
>
> Isn't that special. And I am currently working on both a writing
> project and several photography projects.
>
>>I don't get any money for this, either, as the proceeds go to
>>literacy, not my pocket.
>
> "The workman is worthy of his hire."
>
> Luke 10:7 Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give
> you,
>
> --> for the worker deserves his wages. <--
>
> Do not move around from house to house.
>
> When I earn money, I have no issues with putting it in my pocket.
>
> jw
>>
>>As for nursing, yes that is my continued career, and will be, most
>>likely until I retire, unless something else strikes that I decide to
>>embark on.
>>>
>>>
>
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On 5 Apr 2004 19:38:42 GMT, john w pretending to have the authority to
chastise others for a common failing of its own left the following mess
on the carpet.
Follow up set to arcb where if it belongs at all, it would belong.
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> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:37:08 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In article <IKnowHim-0404040909190001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>>
>>> This trait is quite common among the RCC group. They probably blame
>>> it on Terrot's syndrom but it is a true mark of their father Satan.
>>>
>>>
>>I assume the dame who thinks she is a walking encyclo-bloody-pedia is
>>trying to say TOURETTE's SYNDROME............. sheesh :>/
>
> Well, don't get yourself TOO worked up, Elaine. There are a number of
As opposed to say, a professionally trained journalist as yourself then?
One that can't read in context as demonstrated by his inability to
coherently & articulately enter discussions on the basics of his myth,
say the messiah concept as developed & understood by the Jewish
mythology, the one his is a red headed step child of?
> words you don't spell correctly, either, and you don't even bother
> with your spell checker half the time.
Well, not every one is as perfessunal jurnlist like you jw.
& yes, for you due to your inability to comprehend the written word
unless you are reading mickey mouse comics, that is parody of you & your
undemonstrated journalistic skills.
> jw
The poseur today, posing to be better than anyone else in matters of
grammar or spelling then.
walksalone who sees that jw is trying to draw attention away from its
own demonstrated lacks again.
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Subject: jw was Re: Three Possibilities (was: Three Possibilities)
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On 5 Apr 2004 20:25:30 GMT, john w
appeal to non existent authority & pretended that others did not know
more than it did.
Follow up set to, sorry folks, arcb. No sense in continuing the trolls
unwarranted abuse of other newsgroups,
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:18:31 -0500, David Jensen
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> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:04:21 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>In article <vpnv60580d6scjv7hkvrd71ik0sqei60kb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in
>>>>Heaven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
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>>>>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:31:50 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>> >Three Possibilities
>>>>> >
>>>>> >As we approach Easter many ask, "Who is this Jesus of Nazareth?".
>>>>> > To the people of the world system He is nothing perhaps even not
>>>>> >worth asking the question. To the agnostic He is a puzzle that
>>>>> >seems to make no sence but intriquing. To the born again
>>>>> >follower of Jesus of Nazareth He is everything. Can they all be
>>>>> >right? If one is true then the others must be false but which
>>>>> >one is true?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >So, who do you say He is?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There are really only three possibilities:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >1. He is a liar
>>>>> >
>>>>> >2. He is a Lunatic
>>>>> >
>>>>> >3. He is Lord
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Look close. Examine Him; read what He said; what He did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice outline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you explain what you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't, perhaps I shall.
>>>>>
>>>>> jw
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your eternal destiny depends on your answer...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>__________
>>>>
>>>>Be my guest...
>>>
>>>I'd be delighted; however, since I no longer have the books, I don't
>>>recall which one, so perhaps you could supply the correct title, the
>>>author is a man by the name of Josh McDowell, he is a full time
>>>evangelist for Campus Crusade Ministries, his IQ is off the charts,
>>>and he's boiled Christianity down to who Jesus was.
>>
>>I presume that you are referring to the totally misnamed _Evidence
>>that Demands a Verdict_. It contains no evidence and the only honest
>>verdict is Not Proven. McDowell's intelligence, if he has any, is
>>being used to mislead folks.
>
> As an obviously non-Christian, non-scholar, you are not qualified to
As opposed to you who can't even discuss the basics of its mythology?
Many a non-xian knows more than you do, it does not take all that much
to demonstrate that. All one has to do is read your postings, providing
they've the stomach for it.
As to qualified, what qualifications, those you claim but have yet to
demonstrate, or utilize?
It does not require a rocket science to recognise the blatant dishonesty
from the like of your hero, after all, like you, he should know & be
able to avoid logical fallacy's. Yet neither of you can.
But then, you are probably better educate, by implication, than
McDowell.
> judge Mr. McDowell's books. For Christians, and those who have some
False presumptions based on false claims is not scholar****p, in spite of
your wi****ng it was.
> Christian education (a Ph D or two), his material is considered "the
> classics on the subject".
No wonder xianity is getting dumber by the member.
But, I don't believe you, so why don't you provide evidence that
McDowell is a credible source in the academic world where scholar****p
counts hen?
> jw
The one that has to appeal to authority it lacks on or in its own right
still then.
snip prior evasion & whine for delays.
walksalone who is waiting to see if jw can even mount a discussion on
the subject, he already knows it can discuss the basics of its myth.
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:49:12 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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>"Danielle Jacobs" <zeeos1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Dear colleague,
>>
>> As a college student I study human development. I am conducting a
>> survey for my research project. I would be grateful if you would take
>> some of your time to respond.
>>
>> Please follow the link: http://63.198.72.174/
.
> Gosh, I'm gullible. I'll bite. I'll let you guys know what =kind=
> of
>**** it is!
It's a legitimate, anonymous survey. IOW, they're MUCH more concerned
with your data than they are with bothering you.
you don't even have to give an e-mail address. They want to know what
you know and what you think about Alzheimer's.
At LEAST check it out.
jw
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:19:43 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>
>> "DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> > I remember in even BASIC courses when I was training, our
>> > discussions covering Alzheimer's disease were far more in-depth.
>> >
>> > For example, some people display pretty typically-characteristic
>> > 'signs' of having its early stages.... others show absolutely no
>> > signs and symptoms until a full-blown case has developed.
>> >
>> > It's such a hellish thing. One of the nurses I worked with years
>> > ago has it, and is now confined in a hospital setting. It's so sad
>> > to see.
>> I am very concious that Ronald Reagan has it. I keep waiting for
>> that
>> day, when the news comes that he has finally died. Nancy must have
>> nerves of steel and the grace of God too. This is a man who ranks
>> alongside Churchhill as one of the greatest men of the 20th century
>> and he is vegetating. They each, in their time, saved the Western
>> world.
>
>Yes, it is indeed sad. Ronald doesn't know anyone in his remaining
>family, unfortunately, and I'm sure it must be very hard on them as
>well.
>
>Some individuals claim they couldn't care less that he has that
>disease, but I don't agree. I have nothing against Ronald Reagan
>whatsoever, but I wouldn't wish Alzheimers (or any other disease, for
>that matter) on my worst enemy.
>Some people sure are oddballs in what they wish on others. Surely they
>must realize that they will be repaid when the time is right....
>
>
>> > If that student really wants information, she needs to do a search
>> > on Alzheimers.... access medical discussion groups, etc....... she
>> > won't find much info in here.
>
>> Elaine, I seriously question the ability of the average American
>> college
>> student to comprehend meaningful data. People go to university by
>> reflex action, not because they have any ability. What p***** for
>> brains down here is ridiculous; if you're not a left wing loonie,
>> queer apologist, or atheist, you are laughed out of university! I
>> have lots of my relatives nearby, and our kids are so different from
>> the average mindless minions of the publik skool sistum.......
>>
>>
>>
>Indeed, you have to WANT to learn, or you'll never succeed.
>One subject I always maintained SHOULD have been continued throughout
>high school was SPELLING!!!!
>
>Funny-- in high school, if a spelling error was observed, marks were
>deducted.... yet no courses in it were offered, the fool excuse being
>that 'by the time the student reaches high school, he should already
>know how to spell'.
>
>Look at the number of months wasted on that old fool 'shakespeare'.
>
>If you were caught saying much of the crap he wrote out on the
>schoolgrounds, you'd be sent home for it---- yet the powers-that-be in
>the 'curriculum-system' saw fit to plague students with being forced to
>study his trash.
You ARE a small-minded bigot. Shakespeare has gone down in history as
the greatest playwright/poet EVER.
People like me and even people like Hemingway and Steinbeck, name the
20th/21st Century writer, that our writing ever APPROACHES the level
of Shakespeare's work.
And me not being a reader of the Elizabethan form, I STILL know that
MOST of what he wrote he wrote in poem form.
That is UNREAL.
I myself don't like rap or hip-hop, but it has too many followers and
fans/including my son, for me to simply dismiss it.
I don't like other forms of music, but that doesn't mean I call what I
don't like "trash."
>
>ARGHHH!!!!
>
>When I went away to College, I WANTED to go, and was eager to learn.
You obviously didn't succeed, if you consider Shakespeare "trash."
jw
>Those days were still fun, though..... I often think back to those days
>!! :O)
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:51:12 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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>"DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>> I remember in even BASIC courses when I was training, our discussions
>> covering Alzheimer's disease were far more in-depth.
>>
>> For example, some people display pretty typically-characteristic
>> 'signs' of having its early stages.... others show absolutely no
>> signs and symptoms until a full-blown case has developed.
>>
>> It's such a hellish thing. One of the nurses I worked with years ago
>> has it, and is now confined in a hospital setting. It's so sad to
>> see.
> I am very concious that Ronald Reagan has it. I keep waiting for
> that
>day, when the news comes that he has finally died. Nancy must have
>nerves of steel and the grace of God too. This is a man who ranks
>alongside Churchhill as one of the greatest men of the 20th century and
>he is vegetating. They each, in their time, saved the Western world.
Yes, sadly, even the media tipped their hat to him when he left
office. I recall Dan Rather commenting, "and President Reagan
departs, arguably our greatest President ever, certainly right up
there with George Wa****ngton and Abraham Lincoln."
I thought it was sad at that time that he'd had nothing good to say
about President Reagan for 8 years (Rather is a Roman Catholic Left
wing Democrat), but the day his successor was sworn in, Rather calls
him possibly our greatest President ever.)
>> If that student really wants information, she needs to do a search on
>> Alzheimers.... access medical discussion groups, etc....... she won't
>> find much info in here.
> Elaine, I seriously question the ability of the average American
> college
>student to comprehend meaningful data. People go to university by
>reflex action, not because they have any ability.
That's very judgmental and NOT kind' it's also not accurate. MANY
students I went to college with were VERY serious; not just me. In
fact, one of my professors went to film school with George Lucas (not
to drop names) BEFORE Star Wars was released. The professor told us
about it, and told us to watch for it.
AGAIN, this student may be doing some sort of research you are not
aware of. IT would not be untypical for a person doing research to not
even tell you what the research is actually trying to accomplish. Why
must some ALWAYS find negative thoughts to think?
What p***** for brains down here
>is ridiculous; if you're not a left wing loonie, queer apologist, or
>atheist, you are laughed out of university!
So try a different university. Or develop a tougher skin. I was
surrounded by atheists and the Left wing when I was at university. I
shrugged it off and got my education, even fighting professors.
One psychology professor dared mis-quote the Bible; I corrected him (I
was told later that this was a professor who doesn't tolerate being
corrected; particularly not by Christians.) I corrected him in class,
and for that, I was awarded my only D ever. Brought my GPA down from
3.75 to like 2.25.
I have lots of my relatives
>nearby, and our kids are so different from the average mindless minions
>of the publik skool sistum.......
Now understand that universities are not run by the same numb skulls
who run publik skools. Many of our "eddikaturs" in publik skool don't
even have degrees or licenses. They're teaching because they're the
only "teachers" who are available.
In MY state, the schools are paid for directly by the users in a
"bond" (tax) which the local electorate "purchase" by voting for them
at an election. . Year after year after year after year, our various
school districts run school bonds on the local ballot. Year after year
after year after year, those bonds go down in flames at the election.
Our public wants the best education on the planet for our kids, but
our public refuses to pay for the teachers to do the jobs.
jw
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:24:51 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded under copyright
>In article <6Wxcc.11810$NL4.10565@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>
>> "DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1adc5962c60da7b989fe6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > In article <s0occ.11494$NL4.2005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> > Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> > >
>> > > "Danielle Jacobs" <zeeos1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > > news:4072047F.1060400@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Dear colleague,
>> > > >
>> > > > As a college student I study human development. I am conducting
>> > > > a
>> survey
>> > > > for my research project. I would be grateful if you would take
>> > > > some of your time to respond.
>> > > >
>> > > > Please follow the link: http://63.198.72.174/
.
>> > > Gosh, I'm gullible. I'll bite. I'll let you guys know what
>> > > =kind= of
>> > > **** it is!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Gomez:
>> > I accessed the site, and it is indeed a 'survey'...... but of very
>> > limited type.
>> It is indicative of the level of knowledge that p***** for a
>> college
>> education in the US. Many PhD's lack basic spelling skills! I was
>> astonished also at the =extremely= limited nature of it. I can't
>> possibly imagine that this girl is going to pass this off as real
>> research......
>>
>>
>It is rather pathetic, yes.
>
>I remember in even BASIC courses when I was training, our discussions
>covering Alzheimer's disease were far more in-depth.
How sad that a "nurse" thinks that a say, sociology student, would
receive the exact level / depth of training as a nurse.
Elaine may be knowledgeable as a nurse ( I doubt that/I know nurses);
however, she shows herself SADLY ignorant of the world.
>
>For example, some people display pretty typically-characteristic
>'signs' of having its early stages.... others show absolutely no signs
>and symptoms until a full-blown case has developed.
>
>It's such a hellish thing. One of the nurses I worked with years ago
>has it, and is now confined in a hospital setting. It's so sad to see.
Sadder yet when one realizes that a proper nutritionist can cure all
but the most advanced Alzheimer's.
At least, I've heard one make that claim. I know he cured arthritis
nutritionally, and he cured some cancers nutritionally, including my
mother's.
>
>If that student really wants information, she needs to do a search on
>Alzheimers.... access medical discussion groups, etc....... she won't
>find much info in here.
Again, those who aren't involved in the study have NO idea what this
girl's survey is about, or how much of the survey she is doing. This
girl might be doing 1/50th of the actual survey, and this MIGHT simply
be a test of how people respond to on-line surveys, particularly when
the survey is about a topic many have heard of but few know about in
detail.
But, then again, those with too much time on their hands will
criticize ANYONE who crosses their paths.
Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only
negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative
thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts.
Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only
negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative
thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts.
Think only negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts. Think only
negative thoughts. Think only negative thoughts.
jw
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:05:06 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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>"DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>news:MPG.1adc5962c60da7b989fe6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> In article <s0occ.11494$NL4.2005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> >
>> > "Danielle Jacobs" <zeeos1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > news:4072047F.1060400@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Dear colleague,
>> > >
>> > > As a college student I study human development. I am conducting a
>survey
>> > > for my research project. I would be grateful if you would take
>> > > some of your time to respond.
>> > >
>> > > Please follow the link: http://63.198.72.174/
.
>> > Gosh, I'm gullible. I'll bite. I'll let you guys know what
>> > =kind= of
>> > **** it is!
>> >
>> >
>> Gomez:
>> I accessed the site, and it is indeed a 'survey'...... but of very
>> limited type.
> It is indicative of the level of knowledge that p***** for a
> college
>education in the US. Many PhD's lack basic spelling skills! I was
>astonished also at the =extremely= limited nature of it. I can't
>possibly imagine that this girl is going to pass this off as real
>research......
>
Try to not assume.
You have NO idea what she is doing with her survey.
I can think of ONE possibility.
Try this:
There is one study being done. There are 50 students.
Each student was therefore given 5 of the 50 questions as a
"deviation" factor of some type, to see if a "partial" test would give
the same results when combined with the rest of the questions.
One of the nice things about studying at the university level is that
you can run practically any type of test you want to run if you can
people to participate.
For example, when I was in university, I was required by one sociology
class to do a survey. I had to make it up myself. I did a TERRIBLE
job; then I was given a 2nd survey. I did MUCH better with it.
Neither survey did any harm, even though one was "dumb."
Who was it who last said, " I have learned more from my mistakes than
from my successes."
I believe that was a Trumpism.
jw
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:27:13 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
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>
>> But new evidence suggests the shroud might be genuine after all.
>>
>> As Mel Gibson's film The Passion Of The Christ rekindles interest in
>> Jesus, stitching on the shroud which could have been created only
>> during the messiah's lifetime has been uncovered.
>
>Yes. Remarkably well-timed new evidence, would you not agree?
Remarkably well-timed comment, would you not agree?
And what are your objections to the shroud being real, other than it's
more evidence for Christianity, which you despise?
You talk about seeking "evidence" but then, when it's presented, you
merely spit on it.
>
>
>> Mark believes the argument will rage on. He says: "The debate will go
>> on and on because nobody can prove one way or another if this was the
>> shroud that covered the body of Jesus. There simply isn't a
>> scientific test of 'Christness'.
It is enough to suggest STRONGLY that the cloth came from His time.
Like the last special on the bone box said that it was phony. Yet the
last scientists who commented said the "evidence was there" that the
Ossuary is genuine.
Some of us will only see that which we wish to see.
>>
>> "But there are lots of pointers to suggest it was."
>
>So we are left with some im****tant unanswered questions:
Aren't we always?
>
>How did the image get onto the cloth?
By the same supernatural event that raised a body from the grave.
>
>Why does the image correspond so precisely with the conventional
>medieval European image of Christ?
Perhaps the medieval Europeans got the image correctly transmitted
from the 1st C. AD.
Why is it that so many REFUSE to believe in spite of any evidence at
all. IOW, if I presented you 500 irrefutable facts (OVERWHELMING
EVIDENCE for an issue), you's systematically dismiss each one SOMEHOW
that "satisfied you."
That is not looking for belief; that is looking for EXCUSES to
continue to refuse to believe.
>
>Why does the existence of the cloth prove that there was a dead body
>under it?
One of the DUMBEST questions I've read yet. You MUST be kidding.
>
>Why does the assumed presence of a dead body under it require that that
>body was Jesus?
Why not?
>
>Who was Jesus?
Which proves ONLY that you are sitting at your computer, typing with
one hand.
>
>If Jesus was indeed under the shroud at some point, it proves only that
>he was dead. Why does the existence of the shroud prove a physical
>resurrection?
Why are you bothering to cross post this carp?
>
>Why does the belief in a non-cor****eal afterlife in the Kingdom of
>Heaven require a belief in Jesus' physical resurrection following his
>crucifixion?
You are now asking foolish questions of which you wouldn't get the
answers if someone explained.
>
>Why does the apparent conformity of the shroud with the
>freely-available Bible accounts disallow, rather than sup****t, the
>possibility that the shroud was created as a hoax by someone who was
>familiar with those accounts?
>
>What distinguishes the shroud from the many thousands of 'relic' hoaxes
>that were perpetrated during the medieval period?
Why are there visible holes in the moon's surface? Why does the earth
rotate in its current direction rather than the opposite?
Why do we have a moon? Why does its gravity affect earth?
Why does the earth spin?
Why does the sun ****ne?
Midwinter, you're as phony as a 7 dollar bill.
jw
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>THE PROOF THAT THIS IS THE FACE OF CHRIST
>
>FRESH CLUE SHOWS TURIN SHROUD MAY BE GENUINE
>
>By David Edwards, Mirror
>
>
>IT'S been called the longest-running hoax in history - an 800-year-old
>religious riddle that's taken in popes, scientists and believers from
>all faiths.
>
>The Turin Shroud has been either wor****pped as divine proof that
>Christ was resurrected from the grave or dismissed as a fraud created
>by medieval forgers.
>
>But new evidence suggests the shroud might be genuine after all.
>
>As Mel Gibson's film The Passion Of The Christ rekindles interest in
>Jesus, stitching on the shroud which could have been created only
>during the messiah's lifetime has been uncovered.
>
>At the same time, tests from 1988 that dated the shroud to between
>1260 and 1390 have been thrown into doubt.
>
>Swedish textiles expert Dr Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, who discovered the
>seam at the back of the cloth during a restoration project, says:
>"There have been attempts to date the shroud from looking at the age
>of the material, but the style of sewing is the biggest clue.
>
>"It belongs firmly to a style seen in the first century AD or before."
>
>Her findings are being hailed as the most significant since 1988, when
>scientists controversially carbon-dated the 14ft-long cloth to
>medieval times, more than 1,000 years after Jesus died.
If it matters, the honorable Dr. William Steuart McBirnie, pastor of
the United Community Church in Glendale, California, VP of California
Graduate School of Theology, in Glendale, California,
Considered the Shroud genuine. IF you do not know who Dr. McBirnie is,
look him up on your favorite browser. Go do Amazon.com and look up
his books. Get a copy of his book The Antichrist, and read the back
cover.
jw
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:47:37 GMT, "Mike Russell"
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>z wrote:
>> They don't want to spoil the surprise?
>
>Yes. There's very little coming out of the Whitehouse right now,
>either to the media or people like Sen. Luger, charman of the Foreign
>Relations Committee. So there could well be a surprise in the near
>future. My guess is it will be a break with the plan to hand
>oversovreignty to the Iraqis in June.
>
>OTOH, let's hope it's not too big, like a simultaneious invasion of
>Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. You know, in for a penny, in for a
>pound.
>
>Or a surprise the other direction: a complete pullout, which would
>leave the Kurds and others who rely on us for their safety in a very
>vulnerable position, and start not just a Civil war, but also a land
>rush where Syria, Iran, and others grab what they can as fast as they
>can.
>
>Whatever happens, we have a balancing act coming up, and all I see up
>there is a guy with his leotard on backwards who forgot his balancing
>pole, and no net.
Liberating a people who have been enslaved and raped by their own
leader****p comes with a price.
If you don't like the price tag, perhaps you'd prefer to campaign from
inside the Summi Triangle.
In the meantime, try your luck in November. He was smart enough to
out-dirty the dirtiest president wanna be in US history (AlGore),
he'll be smart enough to defeat JohnKerry.
Fighting soldiers from the sky...
Fearless men who jump and die...
Men who mean just what they say...
the brave men of the Green Beret...
Put silver wings on my son's chest...
Make him one of America's best...
-- Barry Sadler
of
"I've been Lou Adler, Barry Sadlered..."
fame
- Mick Jaggar
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> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:47:37 GMT, "Mike Russell"
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> >z wrote:
> >> They don't want to spoil the surprise?
> >
> >Yes. There's very little coming out of the Whitehouse right now,
> >either
to
> >the media or people like Sen. Luger, charman of the Foreign Relations
> >Committee. So there could well be a surprise in the near future. My
guess
> >is it will be a break with the plan to hand oversovreignty to the
> >Iraqis
in
> >June.
> >
> >OTOH, let's hope it's not too big, like a simultaneious invasion of
Syria,
> >Iran, and Saudi Arabia. You know, in for a penny, in for a pound.
> >
> >Or a surprise the other direction: a complete pullout, which would
> >leave
the
> >Kurds and others who rely on us for their safety in a very vulnerable
> >position, and start not just a Civil war, but also a land rush where
Syria,
> >Iran, and others grab what they can as fast as they can.
> >
> >Whatever happens, we have a balancing act coming up, and all I see up
there
> >is a guy with his leotard on backwards who forgot his balancing pole,
> >and
no
> >net.
>
> Liberating a people who have been enslaved and raped by their own
> leader****p comes with a price.
>
So, where do WE go to get liberated?
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z wrote:
> "john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:47:37 GMT, "Mike Russell"
>> <REgeigyMOVE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded
>>> z wrote:
>>>> They don't want to spoil the surprise?
>>>
>>> Yes. There's very little coming out of the Whitehouse right now,
>>> either to the media or people like Sen. Luger, charman of the
>>> Foreign Relations Committee. So there could well be a surprise in
>>> the near future. My guess is it will be a break with the plan to
>>> hand oversovreignty to the Iraqis in June.
>>>
>>> OTOH, let's hope it's not too big, like a simultaneious invasion of
>>> Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. You know, in for a penny, in for a
>>> pound.
>>>
>>> Or a surprise the other direction: a complete pullout, which would
>>> leave the Kurds and others who rely on us for their safety in a
>>> very vulnerable position, and start not just a Civil war, but also
>>> a land rush where Syria, Iran, and others grab what they can as
>>> fast as they can.
>>>
>>> Whatever happens, we have a balancing act coming up, and all I see
>>> up there is a guy with his leotard on backwards who forgot his
>>> balancing pole, and no net.
>>
>> Liberating a people who have been enslaved and raped by their own
>> leader****p comes with a price.
>>
>
>
> So, where do WE go to get liberated?
Unless we are confronted with the scenario of a more advance race
landing on Earth and helping us make a quantum leap, we do it the old
fa****oned way, by discussing and wrangling it out in a democracy.
--
Mike Russell
www.geigy.2y.net
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:52:59 -0500, "Stanley F. Nelson"
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john w responded
>The Bush White House is so secretive because nobody in the place knows
>what they are doing, and they assume wrongly that if they try to keep
>things secret, nobody will figure out the sad truth. But they are
>wrong. The sickening incompetence of Bush and his people is so
>blindingly obvious, here and all over the world, that it cannot be
>escaped. It can only be eliminated on November 2.
>
>Stanley F. Nelson
>Dallas.
>
The Clinton White House was so secretive because nobody in the place
knows what they were doing, and they assumed wrongly that if they kept
things secret, nobody would figure out the sad truth. They even hid
do***ents subpoenaed by Congress (a FELONY) and committed treason
(collusion with known foreign enemies/China). Of those do***ents
subpoenaed by Congress, some 500 pages have not appeared YET.
But Clinton and his goons were wrong. The sickening incompetence of
Clinton and his people was so blindingly obvious, here and all over
the world, that it cannot be escaped. It can only be eliminated in
November 2 by re-electing a Republican.
Those who think that our liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan were
"morally wrong" truly do not understand what America is all about.
jw.
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copyright 2004 John D Weatherly
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:54:55 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded under copyright
>YOU posted: "Doc put you up to this one?"
>
>I have news for you.
>
>That was totally uncalled for. I don't 'put people up' to anything.
Liar.
You suggest what your "cohorts" should join you in doing to me
frequently. And when someone else suggests something that YOU should
do to me, you typically cackle OPENLY and agree.
You are a God damned liar.
> And I certainly did not put Karen up to asking you who the atheists
> are.
>
>You shot your mouth off last week concerning me supposedly being CB as
>well as other posters..... now this crap.
You shoot your BIG mouth off about an endless variety of topics of
which you know NOTHING-- including me-- daily.
So what's your point?
Ice Queen Net Nanny!!
You pitiful little person. What is it that you want? I think you want
to be somebody, to be noticed.
Sad.
If you ever decided to start living life rather than just watching it
go by, you might do something truly worthwhile and claim your place in
history, as others have done.
What have *I* accomplished? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
jw
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On 5 Apr 2004 20:34:31 GMT, john w whined & left the following brown
spots on the carpet. Follow ups set to AAR-C & ARCB.
> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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> wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>>condition.
snip
>>>I haven't told any lies.
>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
>>mistake was pointed out to you.
> Merely because you disagree does not make you correct and me
Were it as you claim, you would be right, however, you are not telling
the truth, which is no shock.
If it was a POV, then disagreement would not be a lie.
Being it is historical data that you argue against, it is a lie.
Not a complicated concept.
> incorrect. And as long as I do not agree with your POV, I will
> continue to express my own.
> Simply because you BELIEVE you have PROVED your POV does NOT mean that
> you have proved it to ME.
History has proven the POV that is correct is not yours, but that has
never phazed you before.
> And who died and left YOU in charge?
Not the idiot that told you were in charge.
> Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
> You have yet to correct me.
True, you refuse correction even when it is obvious that you are in
error.
>>Your churches are two examples of such lies.
> Merely because I have not produced do***entation for those churches
No, your lie is still on record, you can not provide do***entation for
your claims, & history says you lie after all the evidence that has been
provided for you.
> yet does not mean I was lying, and your tiny, VERY narrow mind, does
> not prove your point.
It does unless you redefine lie, as you do.
> Your misrepresentation of
>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
> And it is not MY fault if you and the Roman Catholics continue to
> mis-represent what Roman Catholicism teaches.
Really, & what died & left as the final repository of the *truth* where
anything, especially given your demonstrated lack of knowledge about
your own myth, let alone someone else's.
> jw
walksalone who does know that jw is less than familiar with the concept
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On 5 Apr 2004 20:36:19 GMT, john w whined & pouted leaving the following
brown spots on the carpet.
Follow up set to ARCB.
> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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> wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
SNIP
>>Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your misrepresentation of
>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
> And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
Says the queen of cross posting, or are you exempt from that
consideration. Apparently you think you are.
> your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
> arguments.
Sure you would, only it would be with Baptists over whatever you did
agree with. Contrary to your assumptions, you are not the sole
arbitrator of what your myth says or does not say, or means in spite of
what it says.
> jw
walksalone who doubts jw is able to distinguish right from wrong
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
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> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>>condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>>!!
>>>>
>>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>>unchallenged?
>>>
>>>I haven't told any lies.
>>
>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
>>mistake was pointed out to you. Once you repeat the same erroneous
>>claim after you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you
>>are lying.
>>
>>Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your misrepresentation of
>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>
> And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
> your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
> arguments.
>
> jw
>
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:36:33 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:07:48 -0500, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded
>>>>In alt.talk.creationism, "disciple" <antiaging@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>rudely top posting wrote this in defense of lying
>>>><4070847e_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>
>>>>>Attack false religious teachings and be rewarded by God for obeying
>>>>>His Word. Attack catholicism and therefore be rewarded by God for
>>>>>it on the Judgement day.
>>>>
>>>>How is it God's will that the actual teachings of Catholicism should
>>>>be misrepresented by enemies of Catholicism in order to allow them
>>>>to make Catholicism look evil?
>>>
>>>ALL we Christians must to is to compare DOZENS of Roman Catholic
>>>teachings with the Bible, and no lies are needed.
>>>
>>>1. statues/idols forbidden in church (no excuses allowed)
>>
>>Chapter and verse please.
>
> I've posted EXACTLY this DOZENS of times, now; why should I do it for
> you again?
>
> Look up an old post. Better yet, look up the words "image" and "idol"
> and "man" and "woman" and "angel". Do a word study; when you get to
> the prohibitions on idols and what they are, you will understand that
> the statues in your churches are idols, and they are forbidden.
>
> Otherwise, since you are not even Catholic, I see no reason to go over
> this again and again and again, especially when you pay me NO respect
> otherwise. You call me a liar every other post. And I don't need to
> feed the teeth that bite.
>
> Learn some manners and come back with your questions. But not if you
> keep cross-posting. I'm in Baptist. When you learn to act like an
> adult, come find me.
>
>
>>>2. no wor****p/praying to people
>>
>>Catholics wor****p God alone.
>>
>>>3. no creating a "super race of Christians" as in "canonized saints"
>>
>>That is an interesting interpretation of what the Catholics are doing.
>>
>>I don't usually defend Catholicism, but your disgusting bigotry
>>persuades me to defend any religion against your hateful words.
>
> Why is it that any difference of agreement is "disgusting bigotry?"
>
> And what's with the attitude? You seem to ASSUME that everyone else
> is beneath you.
>
> Who died and made YOU God? Chump!
>
>
>>
>>>4. etc.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellow****p with the unfruitful works
>>>>>of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
>>>>
>>>>Not related to the issue.
>>>>
>>>>>So, have no fellow****p with catholic inquisitions that torture,
>>>>>murder, and then steal people's belongings. Have no fellowhip with
>>>>>homo***ual catholic priests and lesbian nuns.
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean that you have no problem with homo***ual and lesbian
>>>>protestant priests, ministers and lay workers? Where did you get the
>>>>idea that Catholicism was particularly tolerant of gays?
>>>
>>>You are tolerant of them in the clergy.
>>
>>No, I am not.
>>
>>>And you wouldn't have so many
>>>priests raping little boys if you permitted them to marry.
>>
>>That may be true, but there are other causes.
>>
>>>Prohibiting
>>>priests and nuns from marrying is also a defiance of scripture.
>>
>>Paul was quite opposed to marriage, but he tolerated it as better than
>>burning.
>>
>>>>>Have no fellow****p with bowing down to catholic statues. etc...
>>>>
>>>>Catholics don't bow down to statues.
>>>
>>>Lie. I have been to roughly a dozen Roman Catholic "churches"
>>>including the one 2 blocks from my home. Every time I've gone into
>>>one of these "churches" I see statues/idols with people bowed before
>>>them, praying.
>>
>>Statues are not idols per se.
>>
>>>One of the most famous/visible instances of a Roman Catholic bowing
>>>down and wor****ping an idol was when
>>
>>When?
>>
>>> Please learn something about the
>>>>religion that you attack.
>>>
>>>And just exactly what makes you believe the Roman Catholic church is
>>>right and the Bible (God's Word) is wrong?
>>
>>I never said that. Please don't let your blind bigotry put words in my
>>mouth.
>>
>>>>>Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of
>>>>>the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and
>>>>>exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which
>>>>>was once delivered unto the saints.
>>>>>
>>>>>The faith that was delivered to the Saints is in the New Testament.
>>>>> [The KJV is the most accurate version.]
>>>
>>>Find one that's easy to read. Do not allow anyone to tell you that
>>>the KJV is the only acceptable Bible!
>>
>>Something we can agree on. I like NEB or NIV, though the language of
>>the KJV and the translations that the KJV was based upon have much
>>more lyricism.
>>
>>>>What evidence do you have that this obsolete translation is superior
>>>>to a modern one? Do you even understand the _English_ in the KJV?
>>>>
>>>>>Roman catholicism, which is full of pagan teachings from the
>>>>>ancient Roman religion, departed from the New Testament faith many
>>>>>centuries ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>Please show me where this happened.
>>>
>>>When you began wor****pping Mary. THAT was a wrong turn.
>>>
>>I don't wor****p Mary.
>>
>>
>>...
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:29:37 -0500, David Jensen
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>>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded
>>>>In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>><%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>David Jensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
>>>>>> the religion that you attack.
>>>>>
>>>>>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>>>>>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said
>>>>>that... "When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary,
>>>>>then take your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow.
>>>>>That's sacrilege.
>>>>
>>>>I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of
>>>>the Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>>>
>>>I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
>>>statue/idol of Mary.
>>
>>Statues are not idols.
>
> Then you reject the Bible's definition. Why am I not surprised?
>>>
>>>AGAIN, I ask why this crappola is being cross-posted in the Baptist
>>>group?
>>
>>Why do you crosspost to places like alt.talk.creationism with your
>>anti-Catholic bigotry?
>
> If you want to talk in creationism, kindly trim your header to reflect
> that. And I am not "anti-Catholic." I'm anti Roman Catholic church.
>
> jw
>
>
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