>>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>>
>>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled
out
>>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> john w responded
>>The Offer
>>
>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>
>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>the same."
>>
>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>
>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled out
>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
>
>
> I heard a related story, of a clash between an atheist/ humanist/
> Communist and a young Christian evangelist preacher at the famous
> 'Speaker's Corner" at the famous Hyde Park in London.
>
> For those who don't know, "Speaker's Corner" at Hyde Park is a place
> where you go if you believe you have something to say. You take along
> a box or a chair or a ladder to stand on, or you simply pick a spot
> and you stand there and preach/speak.
>
> One day, a young Christian evangelist took a spot at Speaker's Corner,
> and he began to attract an audience. He was really getting into an
> evangelistic message when an atheist/humanist/Communist passed by, and
> began heckling the young preacher, insinuating a comment here and
> there.
>
> The preacher ignored the heckler and kept preaching until finally, it
> happened, that a poor, broke person walked by in rags.
>
> The communist /atheist pointed at the poor beggar in the humble, dirty
> clothing, and announced, "Communism will put a new suit of clothes on
> that man!"
>
> The Christian preacher shot back, "Yes, and Jesus Christ will put a
> new man in those clothes!"
>
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:48:51 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
> <calee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>
>>Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
>>same time?
>
> I somehow, somewhere missed the "in-your-face" stupid and nasty in
> this post.
>
> The man merely recounted an historical account of an event that took
> place involving a Christian evangelist and an atheist. Is what you
> are saying that EVERY Christian who tries to preach the gospel is "in
> your face stupid and nasty?"
>
> Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
> nasty."
>>
> jw
>
>>>The Offer
>>>
>>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>>
>>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>>the same."
>>>
>>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>>
>>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled
out
>>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
>
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>
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> john w responded
>>The Offer
>>
>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>
>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>the same."
>>
>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>
>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled out
>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
>
>
> I heard a related story, of a clash between an atheist/ humanist/
> Communist and a young Christian evangelist preacher at the famous
> 'Speaker's Corner" at the famous Hyde Park in London.
>
> For those who don't know, "Speaker's Corner" at Hyde Park is a place
> where you go if you believe you have something to say. You take along
> a box or a chair or a ladder to stand on, or you simply pick a spot
> and you stand there and preach/speak.
>
> One day, a young Christian evangelist took a spot at Speaker's Corner,
> and he began to attract an audience. He was really getting into an
> evangelistic message when an atheist/humanist/Communist passed by, and
> began heckling the young preacher, insinuating a comment here and
> there.
>
> The preacher ignored the heckler and kept preaching until finally, it
> happened, that a poor, broke person walked by in rags.
>
> The communist /atheist pointed at the poor beggar in the humble, dirty
> clothing, and announced, "Communism will put a new suit of clothes on
> that man!"
>
> The Christian preacher shot back, "Yes, and Jesus Christ will put a
> new man in those clothes!"
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>
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> john w responded
>>The Offer
>>
>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>
>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>the same."
>>
>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>
>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled out
>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
>
>
> I heard a related story, of a clash between an atheist/ humanist/
> Communist and a young Christian evangelist preacher at the famous
> 'Speaker's Corner" at the famous Hyde Park in London.
>
> For those who don't know, "Speaker's Corner" at Hyde Park is a place
> where you go if you believe you have something to say. You take along
> a box or a chair or a ladder to stand on, or you simply pick a spot
> and you stand there and preach/speak.
>
> One day, a young Christian evangelist took a spot at Speaker's Corner,
> and he began to attract an audience. He was really getting into an
> evangelistic message when an atheist/humanist/Communist passed by, and
> began heckling the young preacher, insinuating a comment here and
> there.
>
> The preacher ignored the heckler and kept preaching until finally, it
> happened, that a poor, broke person walked by in rags.
>
> The communist /atheist pointed at the poor beggar in the humble, dirty
> clothing, and announced, "Communism will put a new suit of clothes on
> that man!"
>
> The Christian preacher shot back, "Yes, and Jesus Christ will put a
> new man in those clothes!"
>
>
>
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> x-no-archive: yesOn Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:00:48 -0700,
> IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> john w responded
>>In article <pqr07010i4ee4fdslaqupdumkudou596u2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in Heaven
wrote:
>>
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>>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:04:21 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>> john w responded under copyright
>>> >In article <vpnv60580d6scjv7hkvrd71ik0sqei60kb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in
Heaven wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> x-no-archive: yes
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>>> >> On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:31:50 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>> >> john w responded under copyright
>>> >> >Three Possibilities
>>> >> >
>>> >> >As we approach Easter many ask, "Who is this Jesus of Nazareth?".
To the
>>> >> >people of the world system He is nothing perhaps even not worth
asking the
>>> >> >question. To the agnostic He is a puzzle that seems to make no
sence but
>>> >> >intriquing. To the born again follower of Jesus of Nazareth He
is
>>> >> >everything. Can they all be right? If one is true then the
others must be
>>> >> >false but which one is true?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >So, who do you say He is?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >There are really only three possibilities:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >1. He is a liar
>>> >> >
>>> >> >2. He is a Lunatic
>>> >> >
>>> >> >3. He is Lord
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Look close. Examine Him; read what He said; what He did.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nice outline.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why don't you explain what you mean?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you don't, perhaps I shall.
>>> >>
>>> >> jw
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Your eternal destiny depends on your answer...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
_________________________________________________________________________
______
>>> >
>>> >Be my guest...
>>>
>>> I'd be delighted; however, since I no longer have the books, I don't
>>> recall which one, so perhaps you could supply the correct title, the
>>> author is a man by the name of Josh McDowell, he is a full time
>>> evangelist for Campus Crusade Ministries, his IQ is off the charts,
>>> and he's boiled Christianity down to who Jesus was.
>>>
>>> And since I don't have the book, I'm going to write this up off-line.
>>> It'll take a day or so. If you grow impatient, post YOUR version. It
>>> might be mildly amusing to compare your version to mine. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> In the meantime, God bless you as you attempt to sprinkle a few
seeds,
>>> do a little watering, and pluck some ripe blossoms.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Look at my fields! They are RIPE for harvest! But where are the
>>> workers? Will YOU harvest my fields?"
>>>
>>> -- Jesus Christ 1st C AD paraphrased
>>>
>>> jw
>>>
>>>
>>
_________________________________________________________________________
______
>>
>>Actually it is from C. S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity" and is quoted in
>>McDowell's book "The New Evidence That Demand a Virdict".
>>
>>Sure is interesting to read the blather from the unbelievers isn't it?
>
> Thanks. However, it's been quoted more widely than that, since I never
> read "The NEW Evidence..."
>
> What I HAVE read are Evidence, More Evidence, Lewis' Mere
> Christianity, and Lewis' The Case For Christianity.
>
> It's in one of those 4 or more than one.
>
> I'll get to it ASAP if you don't in the meantime. I woke up ill Monday
> morning.
>
> jw
>
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Subject: jw was Re: The Offer (was: The Offer)
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On 5 Apr 2004 16:09:54 GMT, john w in an attempt to out BS another known
liar proceeded to bore audiences around the world with his toxic waste
that it leaves behind.
Follow up set, sorry arcb.
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> Subject: Re: The Offer
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>The Offer
>
Snip previously debunked lies.
>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled out
>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
> I heard a related story, of a clash between an atheist/ humanist/
Just out of curiosity, is there anything you have not heard?
> Communist and a young Christian evangelist preacher at the famous
> 'Speaker's Corner" at the famous Hyde Park in London.
Cor, 'ere it comes mates, put on your chest waders.
> For those who don't know, "Speaker's Corner" at Hyde Park is a place
Unlike you, most do not to look up the reference. Been to the library
again, you want to watch out for those books, they contain ideas &
information hat you don't want to know about.
snip rambling.
> One day, a young Christian evangelist took a spot at Speaker's Corner,
Ever notice how the hero is always up in line for the limelight?
> and he began to attract an audience. He was really getting into an
> evangelistic message when an atheist/humanist/Communist passed by, and
> began heckling the young preacher, insinuating a comment here and
> there.
Did the atheist/humanist/communist have horns & a barbed tail by any
chance, we know you are repeating something you don't know about, but
hint,
that phrase gave the story away as a fabrication, see, I do know nice
words for lies.
For those that haven't known of you since 2002, it has been pointed out
that atheist is not synonymous with any thing else, though an atheist,
just
like the original xians if the gospels are to be believed, can be
communist, or humanitarian.
> The preacher ignored the heckler and kept preaching until finally, it
> happened, that a poor, broke person walked by in rags.
> The communist /atheist pointed at the poor beggar in the humble, dirty
> clothing, and announced, "Communism will put a new suit of clothes on
> that man!"
You know, if you weren't so transparent, & ignorant, you woujld at least
dress the actors up some.
> The Christian preacher shot back, "Yes, and Jesus Christ will put a
> new man in those clothes!"
Ah, & I suppose, according to you, the xian boy never considered if its
claims were right, that man was in those clothes because its gods put it
there.
I realise the thinking involved at figuring that one out is beyond you,
so
why don't you show your rote recital to an eight year old girl, if any
will
be let you near them, & ask her to explain it to you?
walksalone who does not expect anything from jw, & has yet to be
surprised
by it.
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Subject: jw recycled Re: Teresita (was: Teresita)
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On 5 Apr 2004 19:38:42 GMT, john w wrote:
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> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:37:08 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In article <IKnowHim-0404040909190001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>>
>>> This trait is quite common among the RCC group. They probably blame
it on
>>> Terrot's syndrom but it is a true mark of their father Satan.
>>>
>>>
>>I assume the dame who thinks she is a walking encyclo-bloody-pedia is
>>trying to say TOURETTE's SYNDROME............. sheesh :>/
>
> Well, don't get yourself TOO worked up, Elaine. There are a number of
> words you don't spell correctly, either, and you don't even bother
> with your spell checker half the time.
>
> jw
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:23:33 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
> <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:c4rsmj$2mbbig$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> "Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>> > ARE YOU A HOMO***UAL?
>>> > I will accept a simple yes or no; or do you have to consult
your
>>> > "galpal" and the "Women's Democratic Forum"?
>>> > --
>>> Why do you want to know?
>> Why, do you think homo***uality is OK?
>> Someone who claims to be right with God and a proclaimer of the One
True
>>Religion shouldn't be engaging in repeated gross sins. About as gross
as my
>>sins ever get is picking my nose in bed...... The Bible (remember the
>>Bible?!) says:
>>1 Cor 6:9 ¶ Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the
>>kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor
>>adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homo***uals,
>>1 Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor {the} covetous, nor drunkards, nor
revilers, nor
>>swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
>>NASB
>> You will notice she has completely ignored my question. Any decent
>>Christian woman I know who was asked such a thing would indignantly and
with
>>terrific vehemence deny it and attack me viciously.
>
> You ought to know by now that Roman Catholics hold themselves to a
> different standard. What's not ok for a non-Catholic is just fine for
> a Catholic.
>
> jw
>
>
> Instead we have a very
>>great silence. If she is, which I'm pretty sure of or I would never
have
>>brought it up, she at least has the moral fiber to refrain from lying
about
>>it by saying no. Time will tell. I think the silence stems from her
profound
>>amazement that anyone could have penetrated her secrets and her utter
loss
>>of the haughtiness she enjoyed spreading around as long as her own
little
>>vulgar obscene profane perverted world remained her own domain,
>>unchallenged.
>>
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:18:05 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
> <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> john w responded
>>"Teresita" <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> In article <mUXbc.10467$NL4.3416@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Gomez
>>Addams
>>> says...
>>> >
>>> > "Jesus died for our sins, so let's not disappoint Him"-
Copyright
>>> >2002,2003 Teresita Redinger
>>>
>>> Indeed, it disappoints Jesus when you sin. Let's not disappoint Him.
>> Considering the context of so much of what you have on your site in
the
>>way of "humor", it is only natural that one would assume the worst.
>> I have a very direct question I'd like to ask you. I noticed many
things
>>that all add up to this possibility when I spent a great deal of time
>>perusing your site yesterday.
>> ARE YOU A HOMO***UAL?
>> I will accept a simple yes or no; or do you have to consult your
>>"galpal" and the "Women's Democratic Forum"?
>
> In spite of the less-than-wholesome content on her site, Teresita has
> referred to her husband and her kids several times.
>
> So I think she may be a vulgar person in public as well as private
> (the PUBLIC aspect being sinful in the minds of some), but I think
> she's "safely hetero."
>
>
> jw
>
>
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Subject: jw recycled Re: Teresita (was: Teresita)
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:23:33 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
> <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>news:c4rsmj$2mbbig$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> "Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>> > ARE YOU A HOMO***UAL?
>>> > I will accept a simple yes or no; or do you have to consult
your
>>> > "galpal" and the "Women's Democratic Forum"?
>>> > --
>>> Why do you want to know?
>> Why, do you think homo***uality is OK?
>> Someone who claims to be right with God and a proclaimer of the One
True
>>Religion shouldn't be engaging in repeated gross sins. About as gross
as my
>>sins ever get is picking my nose in bed...... The Bible (remember the
>>Bible?!) says:
>>1 Cor 6:9 ¶ Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the
>>kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor
>>adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homo***uals,
>>1 Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor {the} covetous, nor drunkards, nor
revilers, nor
>>swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
>>NASB
>> You will notice she has completely ignored my question. Any decent
>>Christian woman I know who was asked such a thing would indignantly and
with
>>terrific vehemence deny it and attack me viciously.
>
> You ought to know by now that Roman Catholics hold themselves to a
> different standard. What's not ok for a non-Catholic is just fine for
> a Catholic.
>
> jw
>
>
> Instead we have a very
>>great silence. If she is, which I'm pretty sure of or I would never
have
>>brought it up, she at least has the moral fiber to refrain from lying
about
>>it by saying no. Time will tell. I think the silence stems from her
profound
>>amazement that anyone could have penetrated her secrets and her utter
loss
>>of the haughtiness she enjoyed spreading around as long as her own
little
>>vulgar obscene profane perverted world remained her own domain,
>>unchallenged.
>>
>
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> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:21:11 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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>>
>>"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > "Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>> > > ARE YOU A HOMO***UAL?
>>> > > I will accept a simple yes or no; or do you have to consult
your
>>> > > "galpal" and the "Women's Democratic Forum"?
>>> > > --
>>> > Why do you want to know?
>>> Why, do you think homo***uality is OK?
>>
>>Yes I think being a homo***ual is okay.
>>
>>> Someone who claims to be right with God and a proclaimer of the
One
>>True
>>> Religion shouldn't be engaging in repeated gross sins. About as gross
as
>>my
>>> sins ever get is picking my nose in bed...... The Bible (remember the
>>> Bible?!) says:
>>
>>Here is some scripture for you to meditate upon.
>>
>>If we say, "We are without sin," we deceive ourselves, 3 and the truth
is
>>not in us. If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will
>>forgive our sins and cleanse us from every wrongdoing. If we say, "We
have
>>not sinned," we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
>>--1 John 1:8-10
>>
>>You might also take into consideration that bearing false witness is a
sin.
>
>
> As are fornication, adultery, and homo***ual activity. NONE of these
> sins is allowed, and ALL will prevent one from entering God's heaven.
>
>
> RO 1:14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise
> and the foolish.
>
> RO 1:15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who
> are at Rome.
>
> RO 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God
> for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then
> for the Gentile.
>
> RO 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a
> righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is
> written: "The righteous will live by faith."
>
> RO 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the
> godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their
> wickedness,
>
> RO 1:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because
> God has made it plain to them.
>
> RO 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible
> qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly
> seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are
> without excuse.
>
> RO 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God
> nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their
> foolish hearts were darkened.
>
> RO 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
>
> RO 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to
> look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
>
> RO 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their
> hearts to ***ual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one
> another.
>
> RO 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and wor****ped and
> served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised.
> Amen.
>
> RO 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even
> their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
>
> RO 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with
> women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed
> indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due
> penalty for their perversion.
>
> RO 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain
> the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what
> ought not to be done.
>
> RO 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil,
> greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and
> malice. They are gossips,
>
> RO 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they
> invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
>
> RO 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
>
> ---> RO 1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who
> do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very
> things but also approve of those who practice them. <----
>
> ALL these sins bring the death penalty (one cannot commit these sins
> habitually and go to heaven)
>
> jw
>
>
>
>
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> On 5 Apr 2004 18:23:24 -0700, Teresita <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
>>In article <4dd370haplbtf08p30fqkqn9uok2kkfsqk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w says...
>>>
>>>You ought to know by now that Roman Catholics hold themselves to a
>>>different standard. What's not ok for a non-Catholic is just fine for
>>>a Catholic.
>>
>>It's not ok for a non-Catholic to share Holy Communion, but it is just
fine for
>>a Catholic to do so.
>
> You are correct. In the Christian faith, we would NEVER think for a
> moment that it would be okay to eat our Lord's flesh or to drink His
> blood. Both acts are clearly forbidden in scripture.
>
> However, Roman Catholics perform this grisly demonic ritual weekly.
> It's PERFECTLY ok in THEIR demonic religion.
>
>
> jw
>
>
>
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>>"Falcon" <falcon23587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness, seeking
>>> to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and before
>>> the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. "The prince
>>> of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days," Gabriel
>>> declares; "but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help
>>> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." Daniel 10:13."
>> GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY! I hadn't seen that one before; thanks for
letting
>>us know. That moves her about three circles down into the Pit in
Dante's
>>"Inferno". Just above the Pope.....
>
> Yes, both the SDAs and the JWs relegate Jesus to the status of an
> angel. The SDAs call him the Archangel Michael; the JWs call him
> "Michael's spirit brother" as I recall. Whatever that means.
>
> jw
>
>>
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> On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 11:27:37 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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>>
>>"Shan" <shankarees@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>news:71bd538c.0404031209.bd05226@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> The satanic cult of Seventh-day Adventists believe that Michael the
>>> Archangel is Jesus.
>>>
>>> It is no surprise since they consider Jesus not really equal to the
>>> Father and considering him an angel is not big deal
>>>
>>> Shan
>>
>>I have heard this charge that SDA's believe that Jesus and Michael are
the
>>same. I have seen references to EGW's writings that indicate that she
>>believed this. Any SDA apologists want to clarify if this is actually
one of
>>your beliefs or not?
>>
>
> It's my recollection from Dr. Walter Martin's lectures and book (The
> Kingdom of the Cults), that this is true. I wouldn't bet 1 million on
> that, but that's my recollection.
>
> And we had SDAs in our congregation when he spoke (members of the
> various cults he spoke against would follow him from church to church
> heckling him). I recall the SDAs NOT denying that they believe that
> Jesus was the Archangel Michael.
>
> Could be wrong.
>
> That is IIRC.
>
> jw
>
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>>"Falcon" <falcon23587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness, seeking
>>> to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and before
>>> the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. "The prince
>>> of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days," Gabriel
>>> declares; "but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help
>>> me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." Daniel 10:13."
>> GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY! I hadn't seen that one before; thanks for
letting
>>us know. That moves her about three circles down into the Pit in
Dante's
>>"Inferno". Just above the Pope.....
>
> Yes, both the SDAs and the JWs relegate Jesus to the status of an
> angel. The SDAs call him the Archangel Michael; the JWs call him
> "Michael's spirit brother" as I recall. Whatever that means.
>
> jw
>
>>
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> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:40:40 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
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>>"DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>> But getting back on topic, okay, Scout Lady--- I went ahead and
answered
>>> you.. what is this all about?
>> SL, and myself, are still trying to get a straight answer from Joe
on
>>the Deity of Christ, not just a quote from a website. We're still
waiting.
>>
> He answered me previously that he considers Christ God in flesh. I
> think the problem is that EGW was confused about this, so her writing
> reflects that confusion.
>
> I believe Sonny is one who has perhaps found his way out of the
> confusion to the true identity of the Christ, but he may not have yet
> found his way beyond Calvin's legalism.
>
>
> jw
>
>
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> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:09:29 GMT, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>john w wrote:
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>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:53:59 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>> <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded
>>>
>>>>"Falcon" <falcon23587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness,
seeking
>>>>>to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and
before
>>>>>the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. "The
prince
>>>>>of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days," Gabriel
>>>>>declares; "but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help
>>>>>me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." Daniel 10:13."
>>>>
>>>> GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY! I hadn't seen that one before; thanks for
letting
>>>>us know. That moves her about three circles down into the Pit in
Dante's
>>>>"Inferno". Just above the Pope.....
>>>
>>> Yes, both the SDAs and the JWs relegate Jesus to the status of an
>>> angel.
>>
>>I don't believe SDAs "relegate" Him to the status of "angel," but
accept
>>the fact that the Bible sometimes calls Him the "Angel of the Lord."
>>
>>"Angel" is a word for "messenger," and pre-incarnate Christ served as a
>>messenger at times. He is consistently called "the angel of the Lord,"
>>and Joshua and his men bowed down to wor****p this "angel of the Lord."
>>They were bowing down to God the Son.
>>
>>So, Christ is referred to as an "angel." What's the big deal? He does
>>function as a messenger, which is all "angel" means, and He is the
>>commander of all angels...
>
> Teresita has reproduced one of EGW's quotes below in the thread. This
> quote suggests that EGW DID believe that Jesus was the Archangel
> Michael, which is of course, blasphemy.
>
>
> jw
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Subject: jw recycled Re: SDA's Cult: Michael is Jesus (was: SDA's Cult:
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> On 5 Apr 2004 18:40:09 -0700, Teresita <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In article <okf370legbjqcsn9vpe2fo7bh6fekjrk7d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
>>>And we had SDAs in our congregation when he spoke (members of the
>>>various cults he spoke against would follow him from church to church
>>>heckling him). I recall the SDAs NOT denying that they believe that
>>>Jesus was the Archangel Michael.
>>>
>>
>>'Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life
before his
>>body had seen corruption. Satan tried to hold the body, claiming it as
his; but
>>Michael resurrected Moses and took him to heaven. Satan railed bitterly
against
>>God, denouncing Him as unjust in permitting his prey to be taken from
him; but
>>Christ did not rebuke His adversary, though it was through his
temptation that
>>the servant of God had fallen. He meekly referred him to His Father,
saying,
>>"The Lord rebuke thee."' (EGW, Early Writings, p. 164.)
>
> Thank you. If I still had my copy of "The Kingdom of the Cults", I
> could have looked that up.
>
> jw
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Subject: jw recycled Re: SDA's Cult: Michael is Jesus (was: SDA's Cult:
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> On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:31:29 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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>>
>>"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > "Shan" <shankarees@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> > news:71bd538c.0404031209.bd05226@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > > The satanic cult of Seventh-day Adventists believe that Michael
the
>>> > > Archangel is Jesus.
>>> > >
>>> > > It is no surprise since they consider Jesus not really equal to
the
>>> > > Father and considering him an angel is not big deal
>>> > >
>>> > > Shan
>>> >
>>> > I have heard this charge that SDA's believe that Jesus and Michael
are
>>the
>>> > same. I have seen references to EGW's writings that indicate that
she
>>> > believed this. Any SDA apologists want to clarify if this is
actually
>>one
>>> of
>>> > your beliefs or not?
>>> Nein, est ist von die Jehovahs Witnesses. Shan ist eine
hundsfott! :-)
>>>
>>I think we are witnessing the breakdown of a man who has had all he can
>>handle of SDA attacks against his faith and person. But it doesn't
matter
>>anyway, if he went completely nuts and killed every last one of them
and
>>never repented, there isn't any hell to go to anyway according to the
SDA.
>>
> So when is Scout going to tell the group and me what pastor friend of
> mine she's talked to who told her ALL ABOUT me. ??
>
>
> jw
>
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Subject: jw recycled Re: SDA's Cult: Michael is Jesus (was: SDA's Cult:
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> On 5 Apr 2004 18:42:10 -0700, Teresita <teresita@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>In article <jpf370hj83qh7o5sfno6kjbo3a5k3sui86@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, both the SDAs and the JWs relegate Jesus to the status of an
>>>angel. The SDAs call him the Archangel Michael; the JWs call him
>>>"Michael's spirit brother" as I recall. Whatever that means.
>>
>>The Mormons call Christ the brother of Lucifer. What do the SDA's,
the JW's,
>>and the Mormons all have in common? They were cults founded by
deluded human
>>beings in 19th Century America.
>
> The only decidedly false teaching I've heard come out of the SDAs is
> that they insist that we must all wor****p on Sabbath, and they insist
> on keeping certain Old Testament laws. They do NOT deny the Triune
> nature of God.
>
> The MORMONS, on the other hand, reject the deity of the Christ, as do
> the JWs.
>
> The Roman Catholics, add TO the Triune nature of God with a pantheon
> of "gods"/"saints".
>
>
> jw
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> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:09:29 GMT, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>john w wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:53:59 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>> <Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded
>>>
>>>>"Falcon" <falcon23587@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness,
seeking
>>>>>to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and
before
>>>>>the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. "The
prince
>>>>>of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days," Gabriel
>>>>>declares; "but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help
>>>>>me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia." Daniel 10:13."
>>>>
>>>> GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY! I hadn't seen that one before; thanks for
letting
>>>>us know. That moves her about three circles down into the Pit in
Dante's
>>>>"Inferno". Just above the Pope.....
>>>
>>> Yes, both the SDAs and the JWs relegate Jesus to the status of an
>>> angel.
>>
>>I don't believe SDAs "relegate" Him to the status of "angel," but
accept
>>the fact that the Bible sometimes calls Him the "Angel of the Lord."
>
> Now that I have someone talking some sense, we can discuss this issue.
> I agree TOTALLY with what you said above, and if it represents SDA
> thought on the topic, I agree. There are NUMEROUS places where God is
> called "an Angel of the Lord" when He walked among men (the
> pre-incarnate Son).
>
>>
>>"Angel" is a word for "messenger," and pre-incarnate Christ served as a
>>messenger at times.
>
> Agreed.
>
> He is consistently called "the angel of the Lord,"
>
> I would not say "consistently"; I WOULD say "numerous times". I will
> not quibble over the word "consistently." It becomes semantics.
>
>>and Joshua and his men bowed down to wor****p this "angel of the Lord."
>>They were bowing down to God the Son.
>
> I am amazed AND pleased that you have come to this realization.
> Perhaps the same Spirit of Christ teaches us both at times.
>
>>
>>So, Christ is referred to as an "angel." What's the big deal? He does
>>function as a messenger, which is all "angel" means, and He is the
>>commander of all angels...
>
> The issue would be raised if Christ was referred to as an angel. It
> might be viewed as "semantics", only He appeared as an angel in His
> PRE-INCARNATE state as God the Son. Christ in flesh was not an "Angel"
> in any sense. You are mixing up Old Covenant with New Covenant.
>
> The "big deal" in this case is that you are muddying meaning. Today,
> since Jesus left us, we don't need the "Angel of the Lord." We NOW
> have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, or Christ's "Spirit." There is
> now no need for "the Angel of the Lord."
>
> This mixing of terms is typical of the cults, so be careful.
>
> They still teach that we must all wor****p on Saturday and THAT is a
> doctrine of demons.
>
> jw
>
>
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On 5 Apr 2004 20:08:50 GMT, john w wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:07:46 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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>>"DOC" <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> In article <71bd538c.0404031214.f62c919@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> shankarees@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> > Satan's SDA Cult are obssessed with Saturday. They actually
wor****p
>>> > the day more than they wor****p God. Maybe they consider their God
is
>>> > Saturn or the Saturday of the Week.
>>> >
>>> > It is a strange belief system but these people are crazy.
>>> >
>>> > They mention Saturday more than they mention anything in the Bible.
>>> >
>>> > Adventist fools waste their time on crazy observances because their
>>> > master is the Devil himself.
>>> >
>>> > Shan
>>>
>>> FYI, SATURDAY is the correct Sabbath Day. Jesus was a JEW. The day of
>>> wor****p was changed BY MERE MEN to Sunday.
>>>
>>
>>The sabbath day is still Saturday, it has never been changed. (Hebrew
4:9)
>>Sabbath refers to the day of rest. The early Christians dating back to
the
>>time of the Apostles started meeting on the first day of the week to
break
>>bread (Acts 20:7). Paul recommended that money be set aside on the
first day
>>of the week for the Church (1 Corinthians 16:2). They referred to
Sunday as
>>the Lord's day as it was on the week that Mary found the empty tomb and
that
>>the Risen Jesus appeared to the Apostles. (See John 20:1, Matthew 28:1,
Luke
>>24:1, John 20:19, etc.). I don't have my notes right now but IIRC there
is
>>something about Pentecost being on a Sunday as well, it has something
to do
>>with the feast of First Fruits.
>
> Yes, the Acts 2 passage reflects the Pentecost Sunday when the Holy
> Spirit came. The fact that the Holy Spirit came on Sunday indicates
> several things. He gave the apostles the sign gifts indicating their
> worthiness in God's eyes to receive the full measure of power it would
> take to build the first century church. The fact that the Holy Spirit
> came and gave us the gifts on Sunday indicates His full approval of
> Sunday Christian wor****p.
>
> Christians can wor****p together any day of
>>the week and many do.
>
> Correct.
>
> Christians can also marry. So here, the RCC falls short.
>
> jw
>
>>
>>> And while SDA's do have some strange practices, they are not led by
>>> Satan.
>>>
>>Claiming that Sunday wor****p is the "mark of the beast" is not of the
same
>>Spirit that inspired Paul to write in Colossians 2:
>
> Correct.
>
> And refusing to permit nuns and priests to marry in spite of Paul's
> directions to the contrary indicates how far Rome falls short of the
> truth.
>
>>
>>16
>>Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or |
