McDowell and Barnum & Bailey do share something: creating illusions.
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On 5 Apr 2004 20:25:30 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>As an obviously non-Christian, non-scholar, you are not qualified to
>judge Mr. McDowell's books. For Christians, and those who have some
>Christian education (a Ph D or two), his material is considered "the
>classics on the subject".
SOME evangelicals MIGHT consider McDowell's work to be 'classic', but
I'd bet REAL scholars don't think much of this guy.
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john w responded
>In article <pqr07010i4ee4fdslaqupdumkudou596u2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in Heaven
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>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:04:21 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>> john w responded under copyright
>> >In article <vpnv60580d6scjv7hkvrd71ik0sqei60kb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in
Heaven wrote:
>> >
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:31:50 -0800, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>> >> john w responded under copyright
>> >> >Three Possibilities
>> >> >
>> >> >As we approach Easter many ask, "Who is this Jesus of Nazareth?".
To the
>> >> >people of the world system He is nothing perhaps even not worth
asking the
>> >> >question. To the agnostic He is a puzzle that seems to make no
sence but
>> >> >intriquing. To the born again follower of Jesus of Nazareth He is
>> >> >everything. Can they all be right? If one is true then the others
must be
>> >> >false but which one is true?
>> >> >
>> >> >So, who do you say He is?
>> >> >
>> >> >There are really only three possibilities:
>> >> >
>> >> >1. He is a liar
>> >> >
>> >> >2. He is a Lunatic
>> >> >
>> >> >3. He is Lord
>> >> >
>> >> >Look close. Examine Him; read what He said; what He did.
>> >>
>> >> Nice outline.
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you explain what you mean?
>> >>
>> >> If you don't, perhaps I shall.
>> >>
>> >> jw
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Your eternal destiny depends on your answer...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
_________________________________________________________________________
______
>> >
>> >Be my guest...
>>
>> I'd be delighted; however, since I no longer have the books, I don't
>> recall which one, so perhaps you could supply the correct title, the
>> author is a man by the name of Josh McDowell, he is a full time
>> evangelist for Campus Crusade Ministries, his IQ is off the charts,
>> and he's boiled Christianity down to who Jesus was.
>>
>> And since I don't have the book, I'm going to write this up off-line.
>> It'll take a day or so. If you grow impatient, post YOUR version. It
>> might be mildly amusing to compare your version to mine. ;-)
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, God bless you as you attempt to sprinkle a few seeds,
>> do a little watering, and pluck some ripe blossoms.
>>
>>
>> "Look at my fields! They are RIPE for harvest! But where are the
>> workers? Will YOU harvest my fields?"
>>
>> -- Jesus Christ 1st C AD paraphrased
>>
>> jw
>>
>>
>________________________________________________________________________
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>
>Actually it is from C. S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity" and is quoted in
>McDowell's book "The New Evidence That Demand a Virdict".
>
>Sure is interesting to read the blather from the unbelievers isn't it?
Thanks. However, it's been quoted more widely than that, since I never
read "The NEW Evidence..."
What I HAVE read are Evidence, More Evidence, Lewis' Mere
Christianity, and Lewis' The Case For Christianity.
It's in one of those 4 or more than one.
I'll get to it ASAP if you don't in the meantime. I woke up ill Monday
morning.
jw
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On 4 Apr 2004 20:27:32 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>author is a man by the name of Josh McDowell, he is a full time
>evangelist for Campus Crusade Ministries, his IQ is off the charts,
>and he's boiled Christianity down to who Jesus was.
Josh McDowell may be a very intelligent and charismatic guy, but (from
what I've read) he's not very good at constructing a solid argument.
I think he's probably a good speaker, and a great cheerleader for
christians who feel intimidated while in an academic environment that
challenges their views. It just doesn't seem that his stuff holds up
to any real scrutiny. But I could be wrong.
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>Jensen<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote in
>> <%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >David Jensen wrote:
>> >
>> >> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
>> >> religion that you attack.
>> >
>> >David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>> >wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
>> >"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then take
>> >your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
>>
>> I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of the
>> Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>
>• The Catholic Church is God's Church.
The Catholic church is the Church of Satan.
jw
Not having a statue of His mom
>is heretical. Things surely started going to Hell at Vatican-II, and
>that's for damn sure.
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:42:42 -0700, +r@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>, David
> >Jensen<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> >> In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> >> <%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> >> >David Jensen wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
> >> >> religion that you attack.
> >> >
> >> >David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
> >> >wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said
that...
> >> >"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then
take
> >> >your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
> >>
> >> I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of
the
> >> Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
> >
> >• The Catholic Church is God's Church.
>
> The Catholic church is the Church of Satan.
>
• Shut up.
--
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>In article <9g4470dp5d0h0tcdu5lrdf265n5mcb4t34@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in Heaven
wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:42:42 -0700, +r@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(• R.L. Measures)
>> wrote:
>> john w responded
>> >In article <djf170tihfuli42hcotadg5r0kh7qu2931@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, David
>> >Jensen<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>> >> <%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>> >> >David Jensen wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something
about the
>> >> >> religion that you attack.
>> >> >
>> >> >David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>> >> >wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said
that...
>> >> >"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then
take
>> >> >your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
>> >>
>> >> I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of
the
>> >> Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>> >
>> >• The Catholic Church is God's Church.
>>
>> The Catholic church is the Church of Satan.
>>
>• Shut up.
If you don't like it, Satan's spawn, you know where the exit is.
jw
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:13:15 -0500, DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In article <ec0f7cbd.0404051136.210abd53@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>rwalker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> DOC <DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
<MPG.1adb0dc964496ecb989fcf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> > In article <o90170piumlc4r40accbj5r9nod7389f15@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > family.com sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> > >
>> > > Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your
misrepresentation of
>> > > what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > David, and other Roman Catholics concerned:
>> >
>> > This problem would be totally ELIMINATED if you left this Baptist
group
>> > alone and stopped trying to promote your religion in here.
>> >
>>
>> Then stop your cross posting. Noone in alt.religion.roman-catholic
>> wants to read your tripe and lies.
>>
>
>The crossposting WAS stopped by me some time ago, until a roman catholic
>added the ng names back into the header all over again. As a result, I
>quit trying to stop it. YOU want it stopped? Thenb YOU remove the
>headers you object to seeing and simply reply to your own group.
DITTO. Probably 30 % or more of the crapola we have to wade through
to get to interesting posts is this cross-posted roman garbage.
I've said I'd take a bullet in my head before I'd be a Roman Catholic,
and I wasn't exaggerating.
I have nothing but sympathy and love for Roman Catholics, but the
religion that has stolen their minds and their ability to reason is
out of the pit.
jw
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<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><ais0701thdo6kcq1pv5j9ntsj87nqbfnk3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded under copyright
>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>condition.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>!!
>>>
>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>unchallenged?
>>
>>I haven't told any lies.
>
>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the mistake
>was pointed out to you.
Merely because you disagree does not make you correct and me
incorrect. And as long as I do not agree with your POV, I will
continue to express my own.
Simply because you BELIEVE you have PROVED your POV does NOT mean that
you have proved it to ME.
And who died and left YOU in charge?
Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
You have yet to correct me.
>
>Your churches are two examples of such lies.
Merely because I have not produced do***entation for those churches
yet does not mean I was lying, and your tiny, VERY narrow mind, does
not prove your point.
Your misrepresentation of
>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
And it is not MY fault if you and the Roman Catholics continue to
mis-represent what Roman Catholicism teaches.
jw
**************
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> wrote in
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>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
....
>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
mistake
>>was pointed out to you.
>
>Merely because you disagree does not make you correct and me
>incorrect. And as long as I do not agree with your POV, I will
>continue to express my own.
Facts don't need your approval to exist. You foolishly seem to think
that denying reality makes you right.
>Simply because you BELIEVE you have PROVED your POV does NOT mean that
>you have proved it to ME.
>
>And who died and left YOU in charge?
You don't understand why you are wrong, or refuse to accept it.
>Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
>
>You have yet to correct me.
You have refused correction. That is not the same thing.
>>Your churches are two examples of such lies.
>
>Merely because I have not produced do***entation for those churches
>yet does not mean I was lying, and your tiny, VERY narrow mind, does
>not prove your point.
You have no evidence. You know you have no evidence. You will not get
any evidence. It's all a result of your imagination. Give it up.
>>Your misrepresentation of
>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>
>And it is not MY fault if you and the Roman Catholics continue to
>mis-represent what Roman Catholicism teaches.
Once again you seem to be claiming an omniscience that a six year old
can prove to be mistaken.
Have a lovely evening.
*************************************************************
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:27:37 -0500, David Jensen
<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><pmg370p9updspbv9eh8pqtoip7gvqvbmp8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>...
>>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
mistake
>>>was pointed out to you.
>>
>>Merely because you disagree does not make you correct and me
>>incorrect. And as long as I do not agree with your POV, I will
>>continue to express my own.
>
>Facts don't need your approval to exist.
True.
But you have now proved that you do not know the truth as you continue
to hound me over things you merely do not know.
You foolishly seem to think
>that denying reality makes you right.
You foolishly think that denying reality, or not knowing some things,
makes you right. Yet your ongoing attacks over things that only
matter to YOU merely prove your ignorance.
>
>>Simply because you BELIEVE you have PROVED your POV does NOT mean that
>>you have proved it to ME.
>>
>>And who died and left YOU in charge?
>
>You don't understand why you are wrong, or refuse to accept it.
I am not wrong.
And on those occasions where I have been wrong, like quoting the Bible
incorrectly, when someone points that out, I admit my mistake.
But merely because you've been lied to about how old the old church
buildings are, and merely because you've been lied to about when the
AD dating system was started, you blame ME?
Get a life!
These facts are not unknown to any Christian pilgrims who have been
over there.
I asked my friend/scholar pastor friend, Dr. Phil about that. He said,
just ask at your church who has been to the Holy Land? Who has been
to the 7 churches of the epistles?
And I just found a new fact that you'd likely deny; black and white
proof that Ephesus is not Smyrna.
>
>>Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>>>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
>>
>>You have yet to correct me.
>
>You have refused correction.
I refuse "correction" when the "correction" is incorrect. AGAIN, who
died and left you the Gatekeeper for All Truth?
That is not the same thing.
>
>>>Your churches are two examples of such lies.
>>
>>Merely because I have not produced do***entation for those churches
>>yet does not mean I was lying, and your tiny, VERY narrow mind, does
>>not prove your point.
>
>You have no evidence.
That is true, and I have admitted it. I also said that my lack of
evidence is not proof that the churches aren't there.
If I had realized that my story would have not been believed by some,
I could have taken 100 color pictures.
However, as I've said, I understood it was a 1st c church at the time,
but I had no idea at that moment of the church's significance. I
didn't find out 'til seminary that it was Paul's church at Ephesus
with a 1st C AD cornerstone Paul obviously put there.
And I continue to wonder why "Christians" like Roman Catholics are
SUPPOSED to be, are so BLINDLY HOSTILE to the fact of first century
churches?
That doesn't make sense, unless it's that your very SURVIVAL DEPENDS
on your sect being 1st!
LOL!!
You know you have no evidence.
YOU know I have no evidence. So what?
An INTELLIGENT INTERESTED person would be jumping up and down to find
those churches and do***ent them. Why are you so OPPOSED to going and
finding and do***enting those churches, Roman Catholic? Why do you
HATE the thought that those churches are there?
That is not a Christian attitude! So you throw a blind punch! You
accuse me of lying to try to discredit that information! That's
diabolical (of Satan)
You will not get
>any evidence.
Don't count on it, demoniac.
It's all a result of your imagination. Give it up.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
S not going to happen!
>
>>>Your misrepresentation of
>>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>>
>>And it is not MY fault if you and the Roman Catholics continue to
>>mis-represent what Roman Catholicism teaches.
>
>Once again you seem to be claiming an omniscience that a six year old
>can prove to be mistaken.
Since you obviously aren't even mentally 6 yet, how would YOU know?
You can't even politely disagree, "Christian" to "Christian".
If I disagree with YOU, I'm a "liar" and "dirt". When do I get to
see your "Christian side?"
LOL!!
jw
>
>Have a lovely evening.
****************************************
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> wrote:
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>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><ais0701thdo6kcq1pv5j9ntsj87nqbfnk3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded under copyright
>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>condition.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>!!
>>>
>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>unchallenged?
>>
>>I haven't told any lies.
>
>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the mistake
>was pointed out to you. Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
>
>Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your misrepresentation of
>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
arguments.
jw
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> wrote:
> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>><ais0701thdo6kcq1pv5j9ntsj87nqbfnk3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>>condition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>>!!
>>>>
>>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>>unchallenged?
>>>
>>>I haven't told any lies.
>>
>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
mistake
>>was pointed out to you. Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
>>
>>Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your misrepresentation of
>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>
>And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
>your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
>arguments.
I didn't cross post this anywhere. I've responded in
alt.talk.creationism, a hotbed of religiously inspired lies.
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>
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:28:28 -0500, David Jensen
<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><5tg370163lf75jrfhp67efggnfdticrju0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded
>>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><ais0701thdo6kcq1pv5j9ntsj87nqbfnk3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>>>condition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>>>!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>>>unchallenged?
>>>>
>>>>I haven't told any lies.
>>>
>>>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the
mistake
>>>was pointed out to you. Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>>>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
>>>
>>>Your churches are two examples of such lies. Your misrepresentation of
>>>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
>>
>>And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
>>your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
>>arguments.
>
>I didn't cross post this anywhere. I've responded in
>alt.talk.creationism, a hotbed of religiously inspired lies.
If you aren't smart enough to remove the cross-posting from your
newsgroups, how can you think you're bright enough to debate?
jw
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trolled to his delight. Follow up set to trolls home group, even if they
don't want him. ARCB
> From: john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:28:28 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> john w responded
>>>>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>><ais0701thdo6kcq1pv5j9ntsj87nqbfnk3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
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>>>>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>>>>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
snip
>>>And as the BRILLIANT Elaine has said, if you weren't cross-posting
>>>your RCC flushes into the Baptist group, we wouldn't be having these
>>>arguments.
>>I didn't cross post this anywhere. I've responded in
>>alt.talk.creationism, a hotbed of religiously inspired lies.
> If you aren't smart enough to remove the cross-posting from your
You, jw, yeah, you.
Look at the headers, they show who is in the thread, with the bottom
person
being first in this particular one.
That is you, troll.
> newsgroups, how can you think you're bright enough to debate?
As opposed to you who people know can't even discuss a simple concept
that
is critical to its fractured fairy tale, the messiah concept as developed
&
understood by the parent myth of your myth?
Not that any expects you to be able to do that given your inability to
read
things you don't like in context.
> jw
The one that won't accept responsibility for its own actions & hides
behind
the white ensign of *I have a mental problem & am not responsible for my
behaviour* one. Nothing new there.
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
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john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>>David Jensen wrote:
>>
>>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about the
>>> religion that you attack.
>>
>>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
>>"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then take
>>your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's sacrilege.
>
>I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of the
>Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
statue/idol of Mary.
AGAIN, I ask why this crappola is being cross-posted in the Baptist
group?
jw
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In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
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> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>><%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>David Jensen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
>>>> religion that you attack.
>>>
>>>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>>>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
>>>"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then take
>>>your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
>>
>>I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of the
>>Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>
>I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
>statue/idol of Mary.
Statues are not idols.
>
>AGAIN, I ask why this crappola is being cross-posted in the Baptist
>group?
Why do you crosspost to places like alt.talk.creationism with your
anti-Catholic bigotry?
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> In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> <lf44701hnr3ss41pklhofo9ers2qf130k5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
> ><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > john w responded
> >>In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> >><%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> >>>David Jensen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
> >>>> religion that you attack.
> >>>
> >>>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
> >>>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
> >>>"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then
take
> >>>your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
> >>
> >>I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of
the
> >>Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
> >
> >I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
> >statue/idol of Mary.
>
> Statues are not idols.
• It seems that idols are the statues in the other guy's brand (spit)
of religion.
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:29:37 -0500, David Jensen
<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><lf44701hnr3ss41pklhofo9ers2qf130k5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded
>>>In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>David Jensen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
>>>>> religion that you attack.
>>>>
>>>>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
>>>>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
>>>>"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then take
>>>>your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
>>>
>>>I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of the
>>>Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>>
>>I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
>>statue/idol of Mary.
>
>Statues are not idols.
Then you reject the Bible's definition. Why am I not surprised?
>>
>>AGAIN, I ask why this crappola is being cross-posted in the Baptist
>>group?
>
>Why do you crosspost to places like alt.talk.creationism with your
>anti-Catholic bigotry?
If you want to talk in creationism, kindly trim your header to reflect
that. And I am not "anti-Catholic." I'm anti Roman Catholic church.
jw
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In article <lf44701hnr3ss41pklhofo9ers2qf130k5@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, God in Heaven
wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:04:28 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
> >In alt.talk.creationism, Sonny Maou <sonnymaou@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> ><%H2cc.12434664$Of.2076299@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> >>David Jensen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Catholics don't bow down to statues. Please learn something about
the
> >>> religion that you attack.
> >>
> >>David, I was at a wedding where the priest commanded those in the
> >>wedding party to bow to the statue of Mary. He actually said that...
> >>"When you come up to the podium, bow to the statue of Mary, then take
> >>your position to the side." Of course, I did not bow. That's
sacrilege.
> >
> >I am unfamiliar with such behavior in the Catholic Church. Most of the
> >Catholic Churches I've been in have no statues of Mary at all.
>
> I have not yet been in a Roman Catholic church that didn't contain a
> statue/idol of Mary.
>
• nor have I. Statues of a crucified guy with liberal amounts of red
paint on his hands and feet are pretty common too. Remember, boys and
girls, the RC God really and truly Wants You to suffer.
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<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, "disciple" <antiaging@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>rudely top posting wrote this in defense of lying
><4070847e_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>
>>Attack false religious teachings and be rewarded by God for obeying His
>>Word. Attack catholicism and therefore be rewarded by God for it on the
>>Judgement day.
>
>How is it God's will that the actual teachings of Catholicism should be
>misrepresented by enemies of Catholicism in order to allow them to make
>Catholicism look evil?
ALL we Christians must to is to compare DOZENS of Roman Catholic
teachings with the Bible, and no lies are needed.
1. statues/idols forbidden in church (no excuses allowed)
2. no wor****p/praying to people
3. no creating a "super race of Christians" as in "canonized saints"
4. etc.
>
>>Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellow****p with the unfruitful works of
>>darkness, but rather reprove [them].
>
>Not related to the issue.
>
>>So, have no fellow****p with catholic inquisitions that torture, murder,
and
>>then steal people's belongings. Have no fellowhip with homo***ual
catholic
>>priests and lesbian nuns.
>
>Does this mean that you have no problem with homo***ual and lesbian
>protestant priests, ministers and lay workers? Where did you get the
>idea that Catholicism was particularly tolerant of gays?
You are tolerant of them in the clergy. And you wouldn't have so many
priests raping little boys if you permitted them to marry. Prohibiting
priests and nuns from marrying is also a defiance of scripture.
>
>>Have no fellow****p with bowing down to catholic statues. etc...
>
>Catholics don't bow down to statues.
Lie. I have been to roughly a dozen Roman Catholic "churches"
including the one 2 blocks from my home. Every time I've gone into
one of these "churches" I see statues/idols with people bowed before
them, praying.
One of the most famous/visible instances of a Roman Catholic bowing
down and wor****ping an idol was when
Please learn something about the
>religion that you attack.
And just exactly what makes you believe the Roman Catholic church is
right and the Bible (God's Word) is wrong?
>
>>Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the
>>common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort
[you]
>>that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered
unto
>>the saints.
>>
>>The faith that was delivered to the Saints is in the New Testament.
[The
>>KJV is the most accurate version.]
Find one that's easy to read. Do not allow anyone to tell you that the
KJV is the only acceptable Bible!
>
>What evidence do you have that this obsolete translation is superior to
>a modern one? Do you even understand the _English_ in the KJV?
>
>>Roman catholicism, which is full of pagan teachings from the ancient
Roman
>>religion, departed from the New Testament faith many centuries ago.
>
>Please show me where this happened.
When you began wor****pping Mary. THAT was a wrong turn.
jw
>
>>Go to this website and read how catholicism has departed from the New
>>Testament faith:
>>http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp
>
>Jack Chick is an enemy of God. He is an evil parody of Christianity and
>cannot be trusted to present anything accurately. His lies stink to
>Heaven.
>
>>David Jensen wrote in message
>><2l8v60p7bp82lkqbn1o8bkunul75bdnqmo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>condition.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>!!
>>>
>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>unchallenged?
>>
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> wrote in
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>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:07:48 -0500, David Jensen
><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
>>In alt.talk.creationism, "disciple" <antiaging@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>rudely top posting wrote this in defense of lying
>><4070847e_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>
>>>Attack false religious teachings and be rewarded by God for obeying
His
>>>Word. Attack catholicism and therefore be rewarded by God for it on
the
>>>Judgement day.
>>
>>How is it God's will that the actual teachings of Catholicism should be
>>misrepresented by enemies of Catholicism in order to allow them to make
>>Catholicism look evil?
>
>ALL we Christians must to is to compare DOZENS of Roman Catholic
>teachings with the Bible, and no lies are needed.
>
>1. statues/idols forbidden in church (no excuses allowed)
Chapter and verse please.
>2. no wor****p/praying to people
Catholics wor****p God alone.
>3. no creating a "super race of Christians" as in "canonized saints"
That is an interesting interpretation of what the Catholics are doing.
I don't usually defend Catholicism, but your disgusting bigotry
persuades me to defend any religion against your hateful words.
>4. etc.
>
>>
>>>Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellow****p with the unfruitful works of
>>>darkness, but rather reprove [them].
>>
>>Not related to the issue.
>>
>>>So, have no fellow****p with catholic inquisitions that torture,
murder, and
>>>then steal people's belongings. Have no fellowhip with homo***ual
catholic
>>>priests and lesbian nuns.
>>
>>Does this mean that you have no problem with homo***ual and lesbian
>>protestant priests, ministers and lay workers? Where did you get the
>>idea that Catholicism was particularly tolerant of gays?
>
>You are tolerant of them in the clergy.
No, I am not.
>And you wouldn't have so many
>priests raping little boys if you permitted them to marry.
That may be true, but there are other causes.
>Prohibiting
>priests and nuns from marrying is also a defiance of scripture.
Paul was quite opposed to marriage, but he tolerated it as better than
burning.
>>>Have no fellow****p with bowing down to catholic statues. etc...
>>
>>Catholics don't bow down to statues.
>
>Lie. I have been to roughly a dozen Roman Catholic "churches"
>including the one 2 blocks from my home. Every time I've gone into
>one of these "churches" I see statues/idols with people bowed before
>them, praying.
Statues are not idols per se.
>One of the most famous/visible instances of a Roman Catholic bowing
>down and wor****ping an idol was when
When?
> Please learn something about the
>>religion that you attack.
>
>And just exactly what makes you believe the Roman Catholic church is
>right and the Bible (God's Word) is wrong?
I never said that. Please don't let your blind bigotry put words in my
mouth.
>>>Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the
>>>common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort
[you]
>>>that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once
delivered unto
>>>the saints.
>>>
>>>The faith that was delivered to the Saints is in the New Testament.
[The
>>>KJV is the most accurate version.]
>
>Find one that's easy to read. Do not allow anyone to tell you that the
>KJV is the only acceptable Bible!
Something we can agree on. I like NEB or NIV, though the language of the
KJV and the translations that the KJV was based upon have much more
lyricism.
>>What evidence do you have that this obsolete translation is superior to
>>a modern one? Do you even understand the _English_ in the KJV?
>>
>>>Roman catholicism, which is full of pagan teachings from the ancient
Roman
>>>religion, departed from the New Testament faith many centuries ago.
>>
>
>>Please show me where this happened.
>
>When you began wor****pping Mary. THAT was a wrong turn.
>
I don't wor****p Mary.
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:36:33 -0500, David Jensen
<david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
john w responded
>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
><2g447055bi1asika5jc0m5sid325rb6ote@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:07:48 -0500, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w responded
>>>In alt.talk.creationism, "disciple" <antiaging@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>rudely top posting wrote this in defense of lying
>>><4070847e_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>
>>>>Attack false religious teachings and be rewarded by God for obeying
His
>>>>Word. Attack catholicism and therefore be rewarded by God for it on
the
>>>>Judgement day.
>>>
>>>How is it God's will that the actual teachings of Catholicism should
be
>>>misrepresented by enemies of Catholicism in order to allow them to
make
>>>Catholicism look evil?
>>
>>ALL we Christians must to is to compare DOZENS of Roman Catholic
>>teachings with the Bible, and no lies are needed.
>>
>>1. statues/idols forbidden in church (no excuses allowed)
>
>Chapter and verse please.
I've posted EXACTLY this DOZENS of times, now; why should I do it for
you again?
Look up an old post. Better yet, look up the words "image" and "idol"
and "man" and "woman" and "angel". Do a word study; when you get to
the prohibitions on idols and what they are, you will understand that
the statues in your churches are idols, and they are forbidden.
Otherwise, since you are not even Catholic, I see no reason to go over
this again and again and again, especially when you pay me NO respect
otherwise. You call me a liar every other post. And I don't need to
feed the teeth that bite.
Learn some manners and come back with your questions. But not if you
keep cross-posting. I'm in Baptist. When you learn to act like an
adult, come find me.
>>2. no wor****p/praying to people
>
>Catholics wor****p God alone.
>
>>3. no creating a "super race of Christians" as in "canonized saints"
>
>That is an interesting interpretation of what the Catholics are doing.
>
>I don't usually defend Catholicism, but your disgusting bigotry
>persuades me to defend any religion against your hateful words.
Why is it that any difference of agreement is "disgusting bigotry?"
And what's with the attitude? You seem to ASSUME that everyone else
is beneath you.
Who died and made YOU God? Chump!
>
>>4. etc.
>>
>>>
>>>>Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellow****p with the unfruitful works of
>>>>darkness, but rather reprove [them].
>>>
>>>Not related to the issue.
>>>
>>>>So, have no fellow****p with catholic inquisitions that torture,
murder, and
>>>>then steal people's belongings. Have no fellowhip with homo***ual
catholic
>>>>priests and lesbian nuns.
>>>
>>>Does this mean that you have no problem with homo***ual and lesbian
>>>protestant priests, ministers and lay workers? Where did you get the
>>>idea that Catholicism was particularly tolerant of gays?
>>
>>You are tolerant of them in the clergy.
>
>No, I am not.
>
>>And you wouldn't have so many
>>priests raping little boys if you permitted them to marry.
>
>That may be true, but there are other causes.
>
>>Prohibiting
>>priests and nuns from marrying is also a defiance of scripture.
>
>Paul was quite opposed to marriage, but he tolerated it as better than
>burning.
>
>>>>Have no fellow****p with bowing down to catholic statues. etc...
>>>
>>>Catholics don't bow down to statues.
>>
>>Lie. I have been to roughly a dozen Roman Catholic "churches"
>>including the one 2 blocks from my home. Every time I've gone into
>>one of these "churches" I see statues/idols with people bowed before
>>them, praying.
>
>Statues are not idols per se.
>
>>One of the most famous/visible instances of a Roman Catholic bowing
>>down and wor****ping an idol was when
>
>When?
>
>> Please learn something about the
>>>religion that you attack.
>>
>>And just exactly what makes you believe the Roman Catholic church is
>>right and the Bible (God's Word) is wrong?
>
>I never said that. Please don't let your blind bigotry put words in my
>mouth.
>
>>>>Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of
the
>>>>common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort
[you]
>>>>that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once
delivered unto
>>>>the saints.
>>>>
>>>>The faith that was delivered to the Saints is in the New Testament.
[The
>>>>KJV is the most accurate version.]
>>
>>Find one that's easy to read. Do not allow anyone to tell you that the
>>KJV is the only acceptable Bible!
>
>Something we can agree on. I like NEB or NIV, though the language of the
>KJV and the translations that the KJV was based upon have much more
>lyricism.
>
>>>What evidence do you have that this obsolete translation is superior
to
>>>a modern one? Do you even understand the _English_ in the KJV?
>>>
>>>>Roman catholicism, which is full of pagan teachings from the ancient
Roman
>>>>religion, departed from the New Testament faith many centuries ago.
>>>
>>
>>>Please show me where this happened.
>>
>>When you began wor****pping Mary. THAT was a wrong turn.
>>
>I don't wor****p Mary.
>
>
>...
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 17:07:48 -0500, David Jensen
> <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> john w responded
> >In alt.talk.creationism, "disciple" <antiaging@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >rudely top posting wrote this in defense of lying
> ><4070847e_1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
> >
> >>Attack false religious teachings and be rewarded by God for obeying
His
> >>Word. Attack catholicism and therefore be rewarded by God for it on
the
> >>Judgement day.
> >
> >How is it God's will that the actual teachings of Catholicism should
be
> >misrepresented by enemies of Catholicism in order to allow them to
make
> >Catholicism look evil?
>
> ALL we Christians must to is to compare DOZENS of Roman Catholic
> teachings with the Bible, and no lies are needed.
>
> 1. statues/idols forbidden in church (no excuses allowed)
> 2. no wor****p/praying to people
> 3. no creating a "super race of Christians" as in "canonized saints"
• Curiously, c. half of the female RC 'saints' essentially tortured
themselves into an early grave -- and yet RCism teaches that suicide is a
terrible sin.
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:44:13 -0500, David Jensen
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>In alt.talk.creationism, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:52:55 -0600, David Jensen
>><david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> john w responded under copyright
>>>On 3 Apr 2004 16:21:52 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
>>>john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>><78pt60ha85km7qf45u7igg9tdqkuv7e0kr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:58:53 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
>>>><Gomez&Morticia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> john w responded under copyright
>>>>>"john w" <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>JOHN! It's 325AM on the East Coast. Go to bed! If you have various
>>>>>disturbances and can't sleep, try ZYPREXA. It's indicated for your
>>>>>condition.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you have issues with my posts, try N O T R E A D I N G T H E M
>>>>!!
>>>
>>>Why should we ignore your lies and allow you to spread them
>>>unchallenged?
>>
>>I haven't told any lies.
>
>You have made mistakes that you have refused to correct once the mistake
>was pointed out to you.
Simply because I know things that are beyond your knowledge does not
make me incorrect. It makes YOU uninformed and ill-educated.
Once you repeat the same erroneous claim after
>you have been informed that your claim is inaccurate, you are lying.
Merely because you repeat your mistakes 1,000 times does not make them
correct or true.
>
>Your churches are two examples of such lies.
Have you been to the sites yourself?
If you haven't, you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.
Your misrepresentation of
>what Roman Catholics believe is another such example.
I do not mis-represent Catholics. Catholics are lied to about the
implications of their beliefs; that is not my problem.
IF you pray to Mary, you are wor****pping her. If you carve for
yourself statues of people or animals, and you put them in your places
of wor****p, you have made idols, no matter what you prefer calling
them.
You do not get to re-write the rule book just because you're Roman
Catholic.
jw
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john w responded
>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>
>Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
>same time?
I somehow, somewhere missed the "in-your-face" stupid and nasty in
this post.
The man merely recounted an historical account of an event that took
place involving a Christian evangelist and an atheist. Is what you
are saying that EVERY Christian who tries to preach the gospel is "in
your face stupid and nasty?"
Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
nasty."
>
jw
>>The Offer
>>
>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>
>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>the same."
>>
>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>
>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled out
>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
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On 5 Apr 2004 16:03:28 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:48:51 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
><calee@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> john w responded
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>
>>Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
>>same time?
>
>I somehow, somewhere missed the "in-your-face" stupid and nasty in
>this post.
Duh. It was rude, disrespectful and invented falsehoods as "reasons".
But then you knew that anyway.
>The man merely recounted an historical account of an event that took
>place involving a Christian evangelist and an atheist. Is what you
>are saying that EVERY Christian who tries to preach the gospel is "in
>your face stupid and nasty?"
Depends who they "preach the gospel" to. Inside their religion there
is no problem. Outside it, it is at a minumum, in-your-face
disrespect. And when they know their audience includes atheists
because they started a new thread cross-posted to an atheist
newsgroup, it is deliberate, in-your-face nastiness as well as
stupidity.
If you have a problem with it being called what it is, I suggest you
do something to get your brethren to show less disrespect.
>Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
>nasty."
Except than nobody does this outside the paranoid fantasies of fundy
believers.
>>
>jw
>
>>>The Offer
>>>
>>>In the ninetheenth century Charles Bradlaugh, a prominent atheist,
>>>challenged a Christian man to debate the validity of the claims of
>>>Christianity. The Christian, Hugh Price Hughes, who was an active
>>>soul-winner who worked among the poor in the slums of London. Hughes
told
>>>Brandlaugh he would agree to the debate on one condition.
>>>
>>>Hughes said, "I propose to you that we each bring some concrete
evidences
>>>of the validity of our beliefs in the form of men and women who have
been
>>>redeemed from the lives of sin and shame by the influence or our
>>>teaching. I will bring 100 such men and women, and I challange you to
do
>>>the same."
>>>
>>>Hughes then said that if Bradlaugh couldn't bring 100, then he could
bring
>>>50; if he couldn't bring 50, then he could bring 20. Finally he
whittled
>>>the number down to one. All Bradlaugh had to do was find one person
whose
>>>life was improved by atheism and Hughes-who would bring 100 people
>>>improved by Christ- would agree to debate him. Bradlaugh withdrew!
>>>
>>>It is true that only Christ has been successful in changing people's
live
>>>for the better and atheism cannot claim anything but degradation and
>>>despair from it's teachings as witnessed in the world. Decartes, the
>>>infamous atheist, upon his death bed had a vision of God and pulled
out
>>>his own hair in agony and dispair as he screamed and died.
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>Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
>nasty."
Then perhaps you should learn to stop crossposting into alt.atheism,
****o boy.
Are you really THAT stupid?
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Subject: Re: The Offer
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On 5 Apr 2004 16:03:28 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:48:51 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
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>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
>>same time?
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>I somehow, somewhere missed the "in-your-face" stupid and nasty in
>this post.
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>The man merely recounted an historical account of an event that took
>place involving a Christian evangelist and an atheist.
He recounted an account, but whether it is historical or not isn't so
clear. Of the two principals involved, the story more likely comes
from Hughes--who happens to be a proven liar when it comes to stories
about atheists.
Regarding the stupid and nasty aspects:
The story is stupid because Hughes' supposed "concrete evidences of
validity" are patently no such thing, and the fact of the debate not
taking place proves nothing, and it was especially stupid to post the
bit about Descartes because he wasn't an atheist. If he really did
pull out his hair and scream in dispair upon having a vision of God,
presumably that would have to be because the God he saw in his vision
was rather disappointing relative to the God he had imagined.
The nasty has to do with tossing this little brown gem into a.a and
setting the crossposts so that the atheist group would be outnumbered
five to one (in the mistaken expectation that this would result in the
atheists somehow being outmatched).
>Is what you
>are saying that EVERY Christian who tries to preach the gospel is "in
>your face stupid and nasty?"
In the first place, this wasn't preaching. It was a cut-and-paste
hit-and-run. "IKnowHimDoYou" is too much of a coward to actually
stick around and engage in a debate--which makes his choice of a
dubious story about a supposedly cowardly atheist who would not debate
rather ironic, don't you think?
Even if he had actually bothered to type some preachiness at us,
preaching is, by its very nature, presumptuous, arrogant, and
condescending. The only thing that keeps it from being a total
rudeness in a.a is that it is also laughably ridiculous, coming, as it
usually does, from people who have far less clue about their own
religion than we do.
>Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
>nasty."
I'm not sure what you count as "pu****ng atheism". If you mean merely
professing no god belief, then your condemnation of that reflects
badly only on you. If you mean trying to keep religion out of
government, then you are stupid for not realizing that religious
separation is the bedrock foundation of any true freedom of religion.
If you mean professing the belief that all the gods humans have
wor****pped are myths, not all atheists take that position and even the
ones that do surely have as much right to state their beliefs as
religionists do.
But if you are referring to evangelical atheists who go door to door,
bothering people at home, peddling their secular worldview, trying to
get people to change their religious position and come to their
unchurch, yeah, I'll agree with you on that. That would be annoying
as hell.
Kronk
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Subject: Re: The Offer
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On 5 Apr 2004 16:03:28 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Well, I find those who push atheism to be "in your face stupid and
>nasty."
Excuse me? You obviously do not push your highly distorted views, you
merely inform the world, correct?
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