>>> My favorite refute to anyone who doubts or questions that Jesus
>>> Christ is God is John 1:1 and then John 1:14. This is a very definant
>>> implication if not an outright statement.
>>
>> Jesus was a man, a special man.
>>
>> The Son or Word existed prior to and after.
>>
>> Jesus was the Messiah.
>>
>> The Son exists now. Jesus the man doesn't, even though He was
>> ressurected.
>>
>
>The funny thing about all this jeebus talk is that you guys all have a
>different opinion. The son exists. Jeebus exists. He's in your heart.
>He's not in your heart. He's coming back to ressurect us. He's love.
>
>I love watching you all argue about what jeebus really is. It
reinforces
>my own opinion that he's a figment in some form or other, of your
>imaginations.
In Christ,
John WeatherlyFrom: Tiger <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Not everyone has
> been blessed with having the educational op****tunities that you've
> had.
>
FWIW, he has demonstrated no evidence of seminary training...not even
in basic theological education...certainly not of the quality of Fuller
or Pepperdine. He is frequently flat out wrong about his claims...and
at other times makes such outrageous claims that would belie even a
high school education.
I've seen him post no information re theology or Hebrew and
Greek (granted, he's been kf'd for over a year now) that cannot be had
from the internet. OTC, he apparently didn't know Thomas Aquinas was
Roman Catholic and thought that Timothy wrote the epistles named for
him. Even the most basic theological education (certainly at both
Fuller and Pepperdine) covers Thomas and the Timothy gaffe would be
corrected in any college-level religion class.
I think his theological education, like his claim to be a "trained
writer," is mostly in his lofty imagination.
--
Tiger
"The facts notwithstanding, it is easier to go to sleep at night
believing that our perspective on the universe is the stable one."
- Barbara Brown Taylor
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On 29 Jun 2003 16:34:12 GMT, Tiger <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>"John Hennekes" <johnhenne...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>news:nxALa.191022$jp.5163211@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Not everyone has
>> been blessed with having the educational op****tunities that you've
>> had.
>>
>
>FWIW, he has demonstrated no evidence of seminary training...not even
>in basic theological education...certainly not of the quality of Fuller
>or Pepperdine. He is frequently flat out wrong about his claims...and
>at other times makes such outrageous claims that would belie even a
>high school education.
By the way, how much research did you do on me on-line?
Not much apparently. You have a lot of innuendo, but little or no
factual material.
John W
>
>I've seen him post no information re theology or Hebrew and
>Greek (granted, he's been kf'd for over a year now) that cannot be had
>from the internet. OTC, he apparently didn't know Thomas Aquinas was
>Roman Catholic and thought that Timothy wrote the epistles named for
>him. Even the most basic theological education (certainly at both
>Fuller and Pepperdine) covers Thomas and the Timothy gaffe would be
>corrected in any college-level religion class.
>
>I think his theological education, like his claim to be a "trained
>writer," is mostly in his lofty imagination.
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On 29 Jun 2003 16:34:12 GMT, Tiger <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>"John Hennekes" <johnhenne...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>news:nxALa.191022$jp.5163211@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Not everyone has
>> been blessed with having the educational op****tunities that you've
>> had.
>>
>
>FWIW, he has demonstrated no evidence of seminary training
And how much seminary training have YOU had?
...not even
>in basic theological education...certainly not of the quality of Fuller
>or Pepperdine.
You are funny. I didn't attend seminary at Pepperdine. I did my
sophomore year of college there on full scholar****p.
One of the two seminaries I attended was Fuller. The other, I've
already published, and you've probably never heard of.
He is frequently flat out wrong about his claims..
In your opinion. And who knows? YOU might be wrong!
..and
>at other times makes such outrageous claims that would belie even a
>high school education.
You are merely expressing jealously.
>
>I've seen him post no information re theology or Hebrew and
>Greek (granted, he's been kf'd for over a year now)
Oh, well, maybe that's part of why! Duh!
that cannot be had from the internet.
OTC, he apparently didn't know Thomas Aquinas was
>Roman Catholic
I don't know where you got that.
and thought that Timothy wrote the epistles named for
>him. Even the most basic theological education (certainly at both
>Fuller and Pepperdine) covers Thomas and the Timothy gaffe would be
>corrected in any college-level religion class.
Everyone makes mistakes but YOU! Correct?
>
>I think his theological education, like his claim to be a "trained
>writer," is mostly in his lofty imagination.
You may think what you like. I won' t lose any sleep over it. I am in
here to keep the dialog scriptural. Not to debate dullards such as
yourself.
And please don't call me God. I do not make any such claim.
John W
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On 28 Feb 2004 02:14:47 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
scrawled the following imbecilic invectives due to an inability to
make a intelligent response. No surprise there.
>x-no-archive:yes
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:35:47 GMT, s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>
>>On 27 Feb 2004 21:22:59 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>attempted to impress himself, as if anyone appears to care.
>>
>>>x-no-archive:yes
>>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:03 GMT, s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(walksalone) wrote:
>>
>>>>On 27 Feb 2004 08:06:15 GMT, jw <john_weatherly47<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>
>>snip, including prior authors.
>>
>>>>>>> >> > And let us hear some of the rest of you stand up and be
counted
>>
>>>>SNIP
>>
>>>>>>Of all people I'd have thought you the last to say something like
that
>>>>>>Johnny. I'm crushed you'd even think such a thing after your momma
told
>>>>>>you if you can't say something nice....! Is their anyone you
haven't
>>>>>>disappointed with the waste of your life?
>>
>>>>>Is there anyone Jim Agar hasn't disappointed with his wasting of the
>>>>>air he breathes? Someone with a brain and with some purpose in life
>>>>>could have breathed that air!
>>
>>>>As opposed to your example?? Frankly, I've not wondered about either
>>>>one of you, liars exist, you verify that by way of google & posts
that
>>>>are saved once responded to by individuals. You've shown no purpose
in
>>>>life except a willingness to be a drone, the world has plenty of
>>>>those.
>>
>>>You're talking to yourself again.
>>
>>Actually, I am observing the picture you paint of yourself.
>
>You're hallucinating again.
No, I don't emulate your forte. After all you hallucinate that you
have anything worth saying, when your posting history denies your lie.
>That you
>>don't like it is no concern of mine.
>>>>Jim appears to:
>>>>A: Have a life that is rewarding to himself & others.
>>>>B: A steady source of income based on his marketable skills.
>>>You continue to be a pig. I bet you poke your finger and laugh at
>>
>>Naw, I'll leave the so called bad habits of swine to you. Given a
>>choice, a pig is an extremely clean animal, & unlike you, it is
>>intelligent.
>How would you know intelligence when you don't demonstrate any,
>demoniac?
Well,if I were to compare the IQ of a mosquito fart in the midst of
the Alaskan tundra when it wafts over Mexico city & compare it to your
claimed IQ, I would realise you wouldn't get close.
BTW, my intelligences is so far above you that you can't understand
it.
That is based on your inability to back your claims with information
instead of invectives.
Example, your stellar response is the tone of silence to anything you
can't answer. Come to that, the only noise you make is that of a small
child with soiled diapers, a snotty nose & its first tooth coming in.
& that is being hard on the child who can't help itself. Supposedly
you are an adult, contrary to your posting history.
>
>jw
snip rest of jw'snormal trash talking.
walksalone who finds it a tad bizarre that a claimed trained
journalist, internationally acclaimed author in various fields,
seminary student/scholar, technical writer that literally rewrote a
30k page tech manual for the USAF, etc etc, can't provide anything but
invective to those that see through his BS.
Oh, & supposedly he is a grimorie authority, though he demonstrates
nothing to back that claim according to google.
elapsed time, 1min, 07 sec.
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From: Jon W <jon_we...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Subject: Re: Help--My husband is a cross dresser
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:56:06 -0400, Larry <larry4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>John W wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:29:41 GMT, "Vicki" <vicp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>The rule you just quoted is Old Testament, which means it doesn't
>>>>apply. And if you are going to be legalistic, how long is your hair?
>>>>how long is your wife's hair?
>>>
>>>The NT does address the issue of a man's hair
>>>and that of a woman. Have you not read that?
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder. And I've just gotten to my computer in my
>> apartment, and I've looked up the passage involved. AGAIN, as I
>> mentioned earlier, the length of hair is cultural. What is "long" hair
>> on a man? What is "short hair" on a woman? It's cultural.
>
>John,
>Just my imput
>Distinctions in appearance (Deut. 22:5). Moses warned against
>cross-dressing. He said that a woman must not wear a man's clothing, nor
>a man a woman's clothing. Since both men and women wore flowing robes in
>Eastern culture, we should not jump to Western conclusions. It's
>doubtful that the principle of Deuteronomy 22:5 would forbid women from
>wearing slacks, or men kilts. Yet it certainly means that neither ***
>should wear anything for the purpose of looking like the other.
>
>To this the apostle Paul added his own God-given conviction that even
>nature itself teaches that men maintain masculine appearance.
>Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is
>a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her (1
>Cor.11:14,15).
>
>Here the Scriptures do not provide a basis for "legalistic" criticism.
>Paul doesn't say how long is too long for a man, nor how short is too
>short for a woman. Instead he appeals to a higher law. He appeals to
>nature itself, implying that at some point masculine and feminine
>distinctions become a self-evident issue.
>
And all I said is that it's also a cultural issue. What is feminine in
the US, such as men wearing skirts, is TOTALLY masculine and
acceptable elsewhere, such as Scotsmen wearing kilts (MY cultural
ancestry). Tell a Scotsman he looks like a woman in his kilt and then
count your remaining teeth.
And since someone else brought up hair length, the "Native Americans"
in the US consider VERY long hair "medicine" and the mark of a Brave.
I have SEVERAL male friends who are Indians, and their pony tails
sometimes get 2 feet long. Ask one of them to cut his hair, and he'd
look at you like you're crazy. Do you seriously believe that the
Native American with a 2 foot pony tail cannot be a Christian?
It's CULTURAL! Do YOU wash feet like Jesus commanded? He said if we
don't, we can't be Christians, or did He?
In fact, He did not! He gave those instructions to the 12. Foot
wa****ng was a cultural thing in Christ's day. Not today. And the
wa****ng of feet today would have a totally different, and less
im****tant meaning today.
To remain relevant to our society/culture, we MUST keep our faith
relevant. Example: I attended a Church of Christ university
(Pepperdine). Chapel was compulsory the first tri-mester, and I
IMMEDIATELY noticed that the COC doesn't have music in church. The
pastor explained that 1st Monday, "I've known of new pastors, fresh
out of seminary, who got to their new churches, and preached their
VERY FIRST SERMON on why COC members don't believe in music in
church." This pastor even admitted that, although he TOTALLY agreed
with this teaching, it wasn't appropriate for a 1st sermon!
In Christ,
John W
>Here is where I got it from:
>http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/ds/q0505/q0505.html#point1
>
>>
>> John W
>>
>>>> Not a sign that he is saved.
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense. What makes you think that the same 10 things that arouse
YOU
>>>>would arouse even your brother?
>>>>
>>>>***ual stimulation is VERY individual.
>>>>
>>>
>>>it seems to me John I have read that cross dresser
>>>is not about a turn on. Beside the fact dressing
>>>this way when the wife is not around
>>>does not sound like we are talking about the
>>>marriage bed is undefiled.
>>>
>>>Recall, she was not there, so....
>>
>>
>> Also understand that the guy may be turning on BEFORE the wife gets
>> home, "warming up" so to speak. At least now, if she can handle it, he
>> doesn't have to hide it anymore. AND, he may just found out that if
>> she opens her mind and her heart, and she "gives" more of herself in
>> some "new ways" (whatever they be), she might just "fix" his need to
>> act out in this way.
>>
>> On the other hand, if there were nothing to enjoying "feminine
>> underwear/clothes", there wouldn't be silk ****rts, trousers, ties,
>> suits, and underdrawers for MEN.
>>
>> John W
>>
>>>
>>>Vicki
>>>
>>>
>>>> This fact alone, does not undo your marital vows.
>>>>
>>>>This isn't even worth mentioning. There is only ONE grounds I am
aware
>>>>of for a Christian to leave: infidelity.
>>>>
>>>>>Chances are you caught him in an extremely embarrassing moment. If
he is
>>>>>willing to give up cross dressing, my advice to you is to let it go.
>>>>
>>>>Why must he give it up? You haven't given any reasons. If it upsets
>>>>the wife, that's something they must work out. But the mere wearing
of
>>>>panties or a slip around the house, if he does it in private, isn't
>>>>"sinful." Would you rather he be a serial rapist? Too many
>>>>"Christians" want everyone else to conform to "my" morality.
>>>>
>>>>Morality is VERY individual. As in, in America, polygamy is illegal.
>>>>Yet the Bible makes it clear that polygamy is NOT immoral. (It's only
>>>>forbidden to pastors)
>>>>
>>>>***ual turn-ons are even MORE individual. One guy won't look at any
>>>>female who isn't blonde. Some women only date "jocks."
>>>>
>>>>John W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>"Lucy3279" <lucy3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>news:20030413163303.08922.00000612@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>>>I work days and my husband works nights. Last tuesday I wasn't
feeling
>>>>>
>>>>>well
>>>>>
>>>>>>so I left Work early and went home. I caught my husband wearing my
>>>>>>dress , slip,and my under wear. I was shocked and and angry. I
demanded
>>>>>>to know if he was a homo***ual and he flatly denied it . He said he
was
>>>>>>a cross dresser , and does it because wearing womens clothes
relaxes
>>>>>>him and he gets pleasure.We both attend church , and are saved.
>>>>>>I'm presently confused and too ashamed to tell our pastor.
>>>>>>I need advice what to do. Is he commiting a sin ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks , Lucy
>>>>>
>>>>In Christ,
>>>>
>>>>John W
>>>
>>
>> In Christ,
>>
>> John W
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> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:44:28 -0500, "Paul" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ><snip>
> >
> >>> I'm NOT stupid! I have an undergraduate degree and 2 Masters
degrees
> >> >> in progress.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry, John, but I just don't believe you.
> >>
> >> I'll lose a month's sleep over that, believe me!
> >>
> >> I think that this is what you wish was true,
> >>
> >> I am surprised you admit to thinking, if you want to get nasty!
> >>
> >> but I cannot imagine a university, or college that would
> >> >grant you any kind of degree.
> >>
> >> So you admit to having no imagination either!
> >>
> >> Feel free to correct me by naming the institution where you are
> >> studying,
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Not that it's any of your business, and not that you are going to
take
> >> any of this seriously (you just look to nitpick, not to gather
> >> information)
> >
> >This is all the information I need. You make the rest obvious to
everyone.
> >
> >> So much for YOUR attention to detail. I've SEVERAL times now posted
> >> the Universities, colleges, and seminaries I have attended. Look for
> >> them! I'm sure you've heard of at least 2 of the three.
> >> (And, Sherlock, I have NOTHING to prove to you!)
> >
> >It is not so much as I have heard of them. It is that they have never
heard
> >of you.
>
> And, oh, Mr. Mouth, you know that HOW? This isn't argument or debate.
> You've lowered yourself to PURE character assassination! How silly!
> How little boy of you!
Nonesense. It is you who have told us that you are untrainable except
for
maunel labor.
> >
> >> I've said repeatedly that I have a BA in Journalism from Cal State.
My
> >> masters work was done at two seminaries and a university
concurrently.
> >> (yes, I AM that smart) I continued my MS in Psychology at Cal State,
> >> while I went to California Graduate School of Theology in Glendale,
> >> CA, to begin my MATh. I concurrently attended Fuller Theological
> >> seminary. In other words, 3 grad schools at one time!
> >> I did not attend the seminaries for 2 years. As I clarified several
> >> times already, I attended the two seminaries, taking VERY different
> >> subjects, and attended until the money ran out.
> >>
> >> and if you do I am sure it will be a degree mill and if you don't,
do
> >> not worry we will all understand.
> >>
> >> I don't care if you understand. And so much for your degree mill. It
> >> must be AWFUL to be as opinionated as you are and be SO wrong, too!
> >> You know what happens when you assume like this? You make an ass of
> >> yourself! Good job!
> >
> >John, just stating that you attended these schools is not proof that
you
> >actually did. Now, perhaps you did and then subsquently degenerated
into
> >the state you now find yourself in, but these are things that we shall
never
> >knoe unless you care to provide do***entation.
>
> I have. You rejected it as I predicted. You're merely being a one-up
> wise-ass at this point. I reject that. I'm a Christian doing the best
> I can do to evangelize! Can YOU say that? I have NOTHING to prove to
> anyone, including YOU!
Just as much as you can. You do not act like an evangelist, but instead
a
crass disrespectful teenager.
> > >I think you are like those kids we all knew who's dad's belonged to
the
> >CIA, and FBI, and were so very im****tant, or rich , or whatever they
could get
> >us to swallow, but by the time the school year ended we all knew that
they
> >were just sad lonely insecure kids who couldn't figure out how to be
accepted
> >by others.
>
> And so, let's say I AM one of those kids (partially correct), this is
> how you treat "sad, lonely, insecure kids"?
Yes, because when that kid can understand that they need this type of
discipline and when they begin to listen to it and make changes based
upon
it. They will begin to win the genuine respect of there fellow posters,
and
not some pretended respect to keep the handicapped kid happy.
Do you want genuine respect, or do you just want us to pretend around you
to
make you happy. You would be surprised at how many of us are eager and
waiting to accept you for who you are rather than what you are always
boasting about. In fact I could almost promise you that those like
Ronald,
Lamarr, and myself are more loving towards you by being honest than if we
just gritted our teeth and took all your insults and pretended to like
you.
> How Christian of you! I'll be sure to watch you CLOSELY so I can
> follow your example! You're SO good at this character assassination
> stuff!
John, Character assassination is when someone makes up lie about your
character just to smear your reputation. No one is doing that to you.
NO
ONE! We are simply reflecting back to you the way you come off to us.
> >> Sniff! Sniff! Paul doesn't like me! I'll lose 5 minutes sleep
tonight!
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> I agree to disagree with many of you. Will you return the favor?
My
> >> >> ONE concern in here is that something I say or something YOU say
gets
> >> >> through to a lost person and (s)he finds Christ!
> >> >
> >> >John, at this point you need to live out these sentiments on this
NG
for
> >a
> >> >while. You have made this type of plea before and it didn't last.
> >>
> >> As I have said repeatedly, I'm doing the best I can. I have admitted
> >> several times now that I have a disability. You need know no more.
If
> >> I told ALL, I would not get one INCH more respect!
> >> (If my posts bother you SO much, why do you read them? Are you a
> >> masochist? Then you need REAL help!)
> >
> >There is not an inch of respect that can be taken from you even now,
so
> >being honest couldn't hurt you anymore than you have already hurt
yourself.
>
> AGAIN, you miss /ignore my point in your race to hammer yours home!
> That ignoring my point isn't discussion! It's arrogance! I neither
> need nor want nor desire your respect. I don't know you! I MEANT that
> no matter WHAT I say or do, you're the ... you are and your behavior
> isn't going to change! I think my big brother Paul is very sad right
> now that you have the same name!
If you are referring to the Apostle Paul I am afraid he is dead.
> >Even in this post you do nothing but constantly throw insults and
whine
> >about how people should put up with your disrespectful, insolent
behaviour,
> >put forth undo***ented claims about your intellegence.
>
> The two or three of you who have thrown those insults at ME are as
> guilty as you say I am! Pot and kettle! I keep apologizing and saying
> I'm doing my best. That isn't good enough! It's all I have.
No one has thrown insults at you. Many have called you on the carpet for
lousy, rude, behavior. That is a far cry from insulting you.
> The solution? Don't read my posts!
> >
> >> And you
> >> >need to be honest with us.
> >>
> >> I always am. ARe you?
> >>
> >> We really won't care that much if you are just a guy with a High
> >> School diploma.
> >>
> >> Ditto! If you aren't as educated as some of us, don't be ashamed. I
> >> had my IQ measured before I even ATTEMPTED college! I didn't want to
> >> waste my time! Having been assured by the numbers AND the
counseling,
> >> that I was "WELL above average" (read low end of the gifted/genius
> >> range). I then found out that I could/did GROW my IQ! I STILL have
> >> arguments with both my therapist and my psychiatrist that one can
grow
> >> one's IQ! I did! When I took the Mensa test (again, I have nothing
to
> >> prove, but you've made my intelligence and education an issue), I
was
> >> happy to have missed member****p in Mensa (top 5% IQ of the
population)
> >> by One Question!
> >
> >Was this a one question IQ test, or the two question variety.
>
> I didn't notice, or I forgot. It was the standard IQ measurement given
> by the Psych Dept at Pepperdine U where I was a full scholar****p
> student. (I don't care if you disbelieve THAT!)
What happened between then and now when you are deemed untrainable except
for manual labor?
> As you SHOULD know, as bright and informed as you claim to be, the
> only way to take a Mensa test is to apply to Mensa. I suppose you
> could ask THEM!
As you should know, Mensa is a money making club predicated on the pride
of
human beings. It serves no purpose other than to collect its dues.
> But I believe that information is confidential. However, once you
> have contacted them, let me know and I'll sign a release for you to
> have that information. I had the do***ents until, as I alluded several
> times previously, I was homeless for almost 2 years and lost all my
> property, do***ents and all.
>
> I know this typing is a total waste of energy. You're another
> nit-picker! However, others will at least see that I tried to answer
> your question, when they seemed within bounds.
>
> >Again you make an undo***ented claim. The truth is, John, that any
> >respectable psychologist would have informed you of the unreliability
of
IQ
> >tests in measuring intelligence.
>
> They did. And I replied that all I was interested in was did I have
> enough gray matter to get a university degree? They assured me I
> did/do! Assume, assume, assume! And you don't even give me the tiniest
> benefit of the doubt! You aren't concerned with my soul! You want to
> pick my "resume" to pieces! Good luck!
I assure you, your soul is the most im****tant thing to me.
> You didn't even bother to give us the name
> >of the IQ test, whether it was standardized or not, who standardized
it
and
> >what was their criterion for standardization.
>
> Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z. I'd say a university with the standing
> of Pepperdine U when I was there answers your skepticism. When I
> attended Pepperdine as a J school, it was in the top 10 J schools in
> America! When I matriculated to Cal State Northridge (where the huge
> earthquake happened), I found myself attending one of the top 5 J
> schools in America! And I carried a 3.75 into my senior year, when I
> had an argument with a prof over his misquoting the Bible. I called
> him on it; he gave me my first "D" in my university history. And the
> last! He killed my 3.75 and reduced it to a 2.75. I barely got into
> grad school. But I 4.0'd grad school.
Why are you now at a state where you are untrainable then? Your story
just
doesn't jibe. One would expect that a person who could hold a 2.75 GPA
through four years of College to be imminently trainable. Please
explain.
>
> All of this is vitally
> >im****tant in determining whether the test is valid and if so just what
it
> >was measuring.
>
> Vitally im****tant to Whom? Youm? Big! As said, the two IQ tests I have
> taken were administered by Pepperdine University School of Psychology,
> and Mensa in Los Angeles.
>
> Wanna check? Go right ahead, if it'll shut you up! You might ALSO went
> to check on my full scholar****p to Pepperdine U. I'll let you.
>
> In fact, you could check a little anecdote:
> When I arrived at the school my first day, I had a sit-down with the
> Dean of the J school, Dr. Clifford Wilson (you can check). He had
> given me a full scholar****p, called a "Special Writing Achievement
> Award". I thanked him for it. He thanked me for accepting it. I said I
> was honored to be at a University with such polished professional
> writers. He said I was one of them! He said that's why I and other
> students were given scholar****ps! They recruited the best J students
> from other surrounding schools, and then WE made the J school look
> good! That's worth money to the school, so I was recruited as an
> emerging, very talented writing, for which I've also received awards!
> One award I received was (as I recall) a MEMO typed "Thanks for that
> great job on the Foster Grandparents Program article!"
Trust me, John, I am qualified to say this. The samples you have
published
on this NG. Do not reflect your claims. They are not amazing specimens
of
writing. I mean no disrespect, but that is just simply the truth.
Perhaps
you could post the best award winning piece you wrote.
Perhaps you would allow me to read some of your published works.
> I thought, "So what?" Dr. Wilson said, "I can see the look on your
> face you don't have a clue what you're looking at."
>
> "No, I guess I don't. It's a memo!"
>
> "Yeah, and I've been trying to get them to do it fancy since I've been
> here, my 16 years (approx years). The special thing is, in my 16 years
> at this school, that's ONLY the third MEMO I've seen!"
>
> I said, "Oh!" beginning to absorb.
>
> "That says you're a VERY special person!"
>
> The history of the MEMO/article is this: I mentioned the Foster
> Grandparents Program I wrote the article about. And I KNOW you've all
> heard of the Foster Grandparents Program. They're all over the
> country. Well, this was the Pilot Foster Grandparents Program! And my
> article drew SO MUCH ATTENTION, it grew from there!
>
> That was what that award was about! I don't take all the credit; I had
> an editor who was already a working pro on the local newspaper, the LA
> Times (if any of you have heard of it)
>
> >
> >As to your claim to have a degree in Journalism. This claim only does
one
> >of two things: 1) Discredits Cal State's Journalisim program, or shows
that
> >you are fudgeing a bit.
>
> Hahahahaha! Tell you what! If you like, I'll even give you permission
> to do***ent my BA! You write the school, and I'll sign the paperwork!
> Hehehe! You don't care! You just wanna snipe! Snipe away!
I never said definitively that you didn't get one, just that if you did
it
reflects poorly on Cal State.
> I quoted from a Robert Burns poem in a post to you
> >a while back. Not only could you not even read it, but you went on to
ask
> >who wrote it when the name Robert Burns was clearly posted at the end.
>
> At 3 or 4 am or so, I barely got through the poem, and NO, I did NOT
> see the author. Big! To YOU it's a big! You need a life! BOY, YOU are
> the guy who wrote the manual "HOw to Nit-Pick!" And you CERTAINLY
> honor God!
>
> >
> >You, a Journalism major, and you can't read Burns? Incredible!
>
> One has NOTHING to do with the other. Journalism, while requiring a
> college degree, does NOT require one to read Elizabethan. And as a
> non-Journalist, you have NO idea what the curriculum is.
That is nonsense. How did you get through "The Canterbury Tales", Or
"Beowulf"?
>
> What are they teaching you guys these days. Is this an example of
> affirmative action for the educationally challenged?
>
> While a Journalism degree may not have all the wrinkles of other
> Liberal Arts programs, it DOES a unique thing. The Journalism degree
> literally trains the student so that once he graduates, he is fully
> competent to start working as a re****ter or freelancer. I chose
> freelance. I can't stand media politics (we hear what they tell us).
> >
> >> Can YOU say YOU're that bright? And don't you know how many gifted
> >> people have had mental issues AND artistic talent? Edgar Allen Poe
was
> >> bi-polar, Michelangelo was bi-polar, Da vinci was mentally ill, and
> >> the list goes on.
> >
> >You display a profound lack of knowledge even in the areas you claim
> >expertise in.
>
> Nonsense. You are expressing ONE person's opinion, which you
> consistently fail to label as such. You presume to speak for the
> planet! EVERYONE but me!
>
> The luminaries you mentioned above excelled in there gifts
> >and left no room for doubt about their intelligence and genius. This
is
in
> >stark contrast with your performance on this NG.
>
> In your opinion. I've posted some of my poetry. I'd post some works in
> progress or published work, but I have very little published work
> available (stolen), and i can't put work in progress in here. I
> wouldn't trust you or others to not misuse it.
From what you have published here I can say with full confidence that no
self-respecting writer would even want to steal your stuff. You can
consider that a professional opinion.
> If you think that my writing in here is indicative of my writing
> talent, ridiculous! Shows you know NOTHING about the creative process.
> I wouldn't show a POEM I hadn't worked on for a month at LEAST! The
> work comes from the soul INSPIRED, NOT polished!
>
> My poems are polished. My short stories and articles are polished. You
> know NOTHING of that process, since I type "train of thought" in here.
> That means spontaneously, in case you aren't a trained
> journalist/writer and you didn't know that.
Sigh!
> >
> >> In fact we'd like you better being honest rather than inflating
your
> >> resume when it is painfully obvious to us all that your grasp far
> >> exceeds your reach.
> >>
> >> Well, I'm sorry you don't like me for dishonesty, when I'm being 100
> >> percent honest. I can't do any better than that. And stop speaking
for
> >> everyone. Speak for yourself! And I'm amused that you feel my
"resume"
> >> was so inflated. If you saw my resume, you should KNOW what
> >> universities and seminaries I attended. Which means that all this
> >> explanation I bothered with was wasted! You aren't looking for
"facts"
> >> or "clarification". You somehow think you'll get me to "admit"
> >> something. I already HAVE! Only me doesn't satisfy you! You want
> >> ANOTHER me.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Is ANY of us more im****tant than leading the lost to the fold?
> >> >
> >> >Yes, apologizing to people whom you have insulted, castigated, and
> >accused
> >> >falsely.
> >>
> >> You mis-read the last statement. LOL! I asked if any of US is more
> >> im****tant than evangelism. You responded "yes, apologizing is more
> >> im****tant than soul winning!"
> >>
> >> Now aren't YOU just full of yourself? I don't know WHY! I'm not
> >> impressed! You're judgmental, you're arrogant; you assume, assume,
> >> assume, and you fabricate!
> >>
> >John, if you listened to just 1/4 of what I said and took it to heart
you'd
> >be that much better off. And yes, you must apologize in order to be
used
by
> >God. Lastly, you must never assume that you can lead anyone to the
fold.
> >That is what Jesus does. The best we can be is a tool in his hand.
>
> That's YOUR interpretation/opinion. I do not share it!
>
> Paul, I KEEP listening for you to say SOMETHING! You continue to
> disappoint me and others, I'm sure!
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> Did my first semester of college at University of Maryland, Largo,
> Maryland, in 1964, just before being drafted into the VietNam war. I
> attended the U of Maryland before they had a Largo, Maryland campus.
>
> After my military time was over, I attended Los Angeles Valley College
> in the 70s. I can't give the exact date, since all my personal records
> were stolen in 1999. However, I took 1st semester psychology from "
> Mr Gilbert", whose first name I forget.
Not THE "Mr. Gilbert"? WOW!
> He strongly advised me to switch my major from Journalism to
> psychology. I declined, but decided instead to do a double major,
> journalism, and psychology.
You misunderstood "Mr. Gilbert." He told you to forget about your
Journalism major, drop out of school, and see a psychiatrist.
> My professor/instructor, Roger Graham from one of my journalism
> courses my 1st semester/2nd semester of journalism school at Los
> Angeles Valley College arranged for me to attend Pepperdine U on a
> full writing scholar****p.
>
> IOW, Pepperdine U paid me to attend their school.
>
> When I left Pepperdine U after 3 trimesters (the equivalent of 1 1/2
> years of school done in 1 year), after my house was broken into, I
> finished my last 1 1 /2 years of university at Cal State Northridge.
> My dean at Pepperdine was Dr Cliff Wilson, and I won a rare
> Commendation while there for my article on "Foster Grandparents",
> which article introduced the Foster Grandparents pilot program (the
> Watts site) to the world. The Los Angeles Times picked up my article,
> as did the "Valley News and Green Sheet," and Foster Grandparents was
> launched into the multi-national charity program it is today.
>
> I graduated Cal State U Northridge in 1979, as I recall. (Don't
> remember the year -- again-- because all my private papers were stolen
> in 1999.)
>
> The following Spring, I started my seminary training at California
> Graduate School of Theology in Glendale, California, and concurrently,
> I studied at the world-famous Fuller Seminary in Pasadena California.
>
> I did not finish seminary, nor have I ever claimed to.
>
> I DID graduate from Cal State U with a BA in Journalism. Class of '79
> (as I recall)
Where in that timeline did you start getting into ****ography?
WMD
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As an outsider, what do you care?
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On 9 Jan 2003 18:59:38 -0800, achristiankil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Christian
Killer) wrote:
>"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> wrote in message news:
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>> A couple of things.
>> 1. Is your father's name Robert?, I went to school with Bob Trussel.
Same
>> home room.
>> 2. I know in the LCMS the pastors who graduate seminary have a
Masters of
>> Divinity
>> when they leave and about 90-95% have some sort of Bachelor's
degree
>> when they
>> enter.
>
>Just out of curiosity, can one be a pastor if he is an atheist?
Not supposed to be, in mainline Christianity! In too many churches,
I've discovered, non-believers ARE pastors! That's the fault of the
false church!
A REAL church would toss a "pretender" as soon as his pretence was
discovered, as happened at a church I attended. Van Nuys Baptist, in
van Nuys Calif, a MAJOR church in S. Calif, hired an Associate Pastor
who turned out to be a non-Christian pretender. He lied and told our
elders that he was NOT a pentecostal/pretender. That was IM****TANT to
our church. When we discovered he was a pretender, he was OUT!
Some "churches" would not care!
>Perhaps some of the most talented literature critics are atheists.
>Maybe they could go through the motions and ceremonies of being a
>pastor without actually believing in anything that isn't proven by
>science.
Well, what you are suggesting as an "improvement" in the church
amounts to destroying the church! Ain't gonna happen!
"I will build my church, and the GATES of HELL will not stand against
it!"
A master's in divinity from the LCMS holds about as much
>water for me as a master's in witchcraft from some internet school.
You're not a Christian, so your POV is irrelevant! Who CARES what you
think? No one!
>Where are your sources that 90-95% have a bachelor's degree? Are they
>from prestigious schools?
"Prestigious" in YOUR opinion? Lord! I hope not!
>
>>
>> 3. I say this only to help answer your question below and not to
build
>> myself up in
>> any way at all.
Pathological liar!
My IQ is up over 130.
Big deal! Mine's up over 150! It WAS up over 170!
I'm not sure if that's high
>> anymore or not
>> but it helps make the point.
You're high AVERAGE.
Especially since I'm headed for the
>> seminary as well.
>
>There is no way to substantiate your claim of IQ. Furthermore, you
>are just one person.
You may substantiate MINE if you wish! Contact Pepperdine U, contact
Cal State Northridge, and contact Mensa. I'll sign whatever papers you
like!
>
>
>>
>> 4. To answer your question a bit more directly, 'smarter' people are
less
>> religious since
>> they have allowed themselves to be deluded into thinking they are
>> better/smarter than God
>
>Nope. They simply don't believe in God. So they definitely don't
>think they are smarter than God. They don't believe he exists.
>
>> and that the 'proof' of His existence is not there.
> I'd also submit to you
>> that you are
>> confusing 'smarter' with more educated.
>
>Nope. There is a relation****p with IQ and education.
Not necessarily. You certainly haven't proved that HERE!
>
>If someone allowed their education
>> to move them
>> away from God, how 'smart' can they really be?
>
>
>Freethinkers let their education take them to the highest elevation of
>intellect.
Not necessarily. It takes pretty smart people to translate ancient
languages. That's GUIDED education, but it does NOT prohibit a liberal
arts education, or continuing that education! Yo assume a LOT!
I've known a LOT of "free thinkers" like my brother, who has NO
education and isn't interested in education. He's FINALLY at 61 years
old, come to realize that if he's gonna be a "minister/evangelist",
he's gonna have to get some education.
An uneducated free-thinker! WHY? Too many free thinkers believe
"school has nothing to offer/ it's too "structured!" And thus, if they
get out of high school, they're doing well.
Free thinkers would tend to be criminals, since they don't recognize
boundaries to how they "think".
They would have to be the absolute smartest people in the
>world.
In your dreams! You're expounding a LOT with NO do***entation beyond
your mouth, which is WIDE open even as your brain atrophies! The one
thing you will nOT educate yourself on is the REALITY of the Bible and
Christ!
How can you call yourself TRULY educated if you refuse to read/study
one of the most im****tant classics in history, the Holy Bible!
>They will not get to heaven. The rest of us who believe in Christ
>will!
You attack the church and "dumb christians" and then you call yourself
a "Christian?"
LOL!
In Christ,
John W
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This is going nowhere Paul! I've been as honest as I know how to be.
Yet you and others continue to ASSUME the worst. My life has been
unusual yes, but not unbelievable.
Yet I continue to see that wherever you don't quite get something,
like my degree AND disability, you assume the worst: no degree, and
that I'm just lying.
Neither is correct, and you're REALLY getting monotonous, boring,
repetitive, tedious, and... you get the idea.
NO matter WHAT I say, you aren't going to believe me. I've even given
you permission to contact Cal State U. Northridge, Pepperdine U., and
the seminaries. You would rather just continue ripping me.
That's not cooperation and a search for understanding. You're engaging
in a teenage game we adults call a "pissing contest."
I don't do those. I didn't even when I was a teen.
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:17:11 -0500, "Paul" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>"John W" <john_weatherl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:hp2d0v0st4n52lra7e11fd6vtndbl1vvfo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:44:28 -0500, "Paul" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >>> I'm NOT stupid! I have an undergraduate degree and 2 Masters
degrees
>> >> >> in progress.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sorry, John, but I just don't believe you.
I've given you permission to check. You have not bothered. You'd
rather assume than find out. You ASSUME a LOT!
>> >>
>> >> I'll lose a month's sleep over that, believe me!
>> >>
>> >> I think that this is what you wish was true,
>> >>
>> >> I am surprised you admit to thinking, if you want to get nasty!
>> >>
>> >> but I cannot imagine a university, or college that would
>> >> >grant you any kind of degree.
>> >>
>> >> So you admit to having no imagination either!
>> >>
>> >> Feel free to correct me by naming the institution where you are
>> >> studying,
>> >>
>> >> LOL!
>> >>
>> >> Not that it's any of your business, and not that you are going to
take
>> >> any of this seriously (you just look to nitpick, not to gather
>> >> information)
>> >
>> >This is all the information I need. You make the rest obvious to
>everyone.
EVERYONE?? Now you speak for the WORLD! Paul, that's called
"Megalomania"
>> >
>> >> So much for YOUR attention to detail. I've SEVERAL times now
posted
>> >> the Universities, colleges, and seminaries I have attended. Look
for
>> >> them! I'm sure you've heard of at least 2 of the three.
>> >> (And, Sherlock, I have NOTHING to prove to you!)
>> >
>> >It is not so much as I have heard of them. It is that they have
never
>heard
>> >of you.
>>
>> And, oh, Mr. Mouth, you know that HOW? This isn't argument or debate.
>> You've lowered yourself to PURE character assassination! How silly!
>> How little boy of you!
>
>Nonesense. It is you who have told us that you are untrainable except
for
>maunel labor.
And rather than asking how I explain that (I can't other than I wasn't
nearly as ill when I was 30 as I am at 55. My disease is both
hereditary and in extreme cases like mine, progressive and
degenerative.) And you don't need to know. Other than Social Security
has rated me moderately to severely disabled. 25 years ago, I was NOT
so.
But YOU and other unloving HYPOCRITES NOTE my disease/illness and THEN
dismiss it ANYWAY, and say I'm expected to behave like YOU! Nuts! You
are upset because are a legalist, a rice counter, and you expect me to
jump through your hoops!
AGAIN: The solution is: Don't read my posts!
WHY ON EARTH do you read my posts when they're SO unpleasant? You are
a masochist apparently. That means YOU need help! (I can be redundant
and repetitive, too)
>
>> >
>> >> I've said repeatedly that I have a BA in Journalism from Cal State.
My
>> >> masters work was done at two seminaries and a university
concurrently.
>> >> (yes, I AM that smart) I continued my MS in Psychology at Cal
State,
>> >> while I went to California Graduate School of Theology in Glendale,
>> >> CA, to begin my MATh. I concurrently attended Fuller Theological
>> >> seminary. In other words, 3 grad schools at one time!
>> >> I did not attend the seminaries for 2 years. As I clarified several
>> >> times already, I attended the two seminaries, taking VERY different
>> >> subjects, and attended until the money ran out.
>> >>
>> >> and if you do I am sure it will be a degree mill and if you don't,
do
>> >> not worry we will all understand.
>> >>
>> >> I don't care if you understand. And so much for your degree mill.
It
>> >> must be AWFUL to be as opinionated as you are and be SO wrong, too!
>> >> You know what happens when you assume like this? You make an ass of
>> >> yourself! Good job!
>> >
>> >John, just stating that you attended these schools is not proof that
you
>> >actually did. Now, perhaps you did and then subsquently degenerated
into
>> >the state you now find yourself in, but these are things that we
shall
>never
>> >knoe unless you care to provide do***entation.
>>
>> I have. You rejected it as I predicted. You're merely being a one-up
>> wise-ass at this point. I reject that. I'm a Christian doing the best
>> I can do to evangelize! Can YOU say that? I have NOTHING to prove to
>> anyone, including YOU!
I have now, more than once, offered to provide you "do***entation" if
you wish to contact my schools. Be my guest.
>
>Just as much as you can. You do not act like an evangelist, but instead
a
>crass disrespectful teenager.
So be it! As I said, my disease/disorder is degenerative, and
progressive. I may have been much nicer in the heyday of my
evangelizing. I continue to do the best I can. If you don't like my
posts, don't read them.
>
>> > >I think you are like those kids we all knew who's dad's belonged to
the
>> >CIA, and FBI, and were so very im****tant, or rich , or whatever they
>could get
>> >us to swallow, but by the time the school year ended we all knew that
>they
>> >were just sad lonely insecure kids who couldn't figure out how to be
>accepted
>> >by others.
>>
>> And so, let's say I AM one of those kids (partially correct), this is
>> how you treat "sad, lonely, insecure kids"?
>
>Yes, because when that kid can understand that they need this type of
>discipline and when they begin to listen to it and make changes based
upon
>it. They will begin to win the genuine respect of there fellow posters,
and
>not some pretended respect to keep the handicapped kid happy.
And how does the kid with Cerebral Palsy (MY example of my problem)
"change?" How do I, with a degenerative disease of the brain,
"change?" Mr. Psychiatrist, explain.
And YOU are saying that if I DON'T behave like YOU, I'm not welcome in
your group! Fine! I'm leaving anyway! I find no one here receptive to
scripture or truth.
>
>Do you want genuine respect, or do you just want us to pretend around
you to
>make you happy. You would be surprised at how many of us are eager and
>waiting to accept you for who you are rather than what you are always
>boasting about. In fact I could almost promise you that those like
Ronald,
>Lamarr, and myself are more loving towards you by being honest than if
we
>just gritted our teeth and took all your insults and pretended to like
you.
As I have said, I am in therapy, I am on meds, I'm doing MY best! Are
YOU? Doesn't matter! I'm leaving.
>
>> How Christian of you! I'll be sure to watch you CLOSELY so I can
>> follow your example! You're SO good at this character assassination
>> stuff!
>
>
>John, Character assassination is when someone makes up lie about your
>character just to smear your reputation.
When you ASSUME, assume, assume, and fill in the "blanks" in my
information ONLY with negative language, and REJECT even to check on
my education as I gave you permission, that is character
assassination. You think you have a grudge, an issue, so you forget
you're a Christian and an adult, and your favorite words for what you
don't understand are to liar and exaggerator. Rather than giving a
fellow Christian with problems ANY slack, you continue to kick me in
the balls! I've had QUITE enough, thanks. I've REPEATEDLY said, you
wouldn't make fun of or label a Downs Syndrome person. I believe I was
mistaken! From how you've treated ME, I'm sure you WOULD make fun of a
Downs Syndrome person! I've said REPEATEDLY I'm ill. You don't care!
How Christian of you!
No one is doing that to you. NO
>ONE! We are simply reflecting back to you the way you come off to us.
BUNK! You're as responsible for how I perceive you as vice versa! I've
taken the responsibility for the perceived mis-behavior on MY end. You
REFUSE to accept the responsibility for the perceived mis-behavior on
YOUR end. You wish to claim it's ALL my fault, and you're all just
innocent victims! You forget God is listening! My conscience is
CRYSTAL clear; I've told the truth; if YOUR's is CRYSTAL clear, you
don't have a conscience!
>
>> >> Sniff! Sniff! Paul doesn't like me! I'll lose 5 minutes sleep
tonight!
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> I agree to disagree with many of you. Will you return the favor?
My
>> >> >> ONE concern in here is that something I say or something YOU say
>gets
>> >> >> through to a lost person and (s)he finds Christ!
>> >> >
>> >> >John, at this point you need to live out these sentiments on this
NG
>for
>> >a
>> >> >while. You have made this type of plea before and it didn't last.
For the ga zillionth time, I have tried and I continue to try! Do you
suppose NO one Jesus encountered in His ministry/preaching bugged Him
half to death with "misbehavior"? HE, however, as God, was perceptive
(you aren't) that this person was doing the best they could, and
there's not indication in scripture that He healed EVERYONE! Or if He
DID heal the girl with Cerebral Palsy, He didn't REJECT her first! He
loved her and HELPED her!
Your CONTINUED parroting of "grow legs and get up and walk", the
equivalent on my end of your continued demand to "behave as you do" is
pointless.
But you HAVE managed to drive me from your list! Cong rats! I just
don't see ANYONE in here open to leaving the dead law behind, so I
leave YOU behind!
I'm sure you're VERY glad to see me go!
No more Truth in here from me! I leave you to Satan's lies, like EGW.
>> >>
>> >> As I have said repeatedly, I'm doing the best I can. I have
admitted
>> >> several times now that I have a disability. You need know no more.
If
>> >> I told ALL, I would not get one INCH more respect!
>> >> (If my posts bother you SO much, why do you read them? Are you a
>> >> masochist? Then you need REAL help!)
>> >
>> >There is not an inch of respect that can be taken from you even now,
so
>> >being honest couldn't hurt you anymore than you have already hurt
>yourself.
>>
>> AGAIN, you miss /ignore my point in your race to hammer yours home!
>> That ignoring my point isn't discussion! It's arrogance! I neither
>> need nor want nor desire your respect. I don't know you! I MEANT that
>> no matter WHAT I say or do, you're the ... you are and your behavior
>> isn't going to change! I think my big brother Paul is very sad right
>> now that you have the same name!
>
>If you are referring to the Apostle Paul I am afraid he is dead.
In YOUR opinion, he's asleep! The Bible is QUITE clear that when we
die, we go to heaven IMMEDIATELY! Otherwise, explain how Moses and
Elijah joined Jesus on the Mt of Transfiguration, where they came down
FROM HEAVEN! How do I know that? They glowed just like Christ did at
that time!
Paul is alive, and he's ashamed of you!
>
>> >Even in this post you do nothing but constantly throw insults and
whine
>> >about how people should put up with your disrespectful, insolent
>behaviour,
>> >put forth undo***ented claims about your intellegence.
>>
>> The two or three of you who have thrown those insults at ME are as
>> guilty as you say I am! Pot and kettle! I keep apologizing and saying
>> I'm doing my best. That isn't good enough! It's all I have.
I've also offered you do***ents you aren't worthy of. YOu declined.
This isn't about honest, this is about Paul T winning a pissing
contest, which I will not participate in!
>
>No one has thrown insults at you. Many have called you on the carpet
for
>lousy, rude, behavior. That is a far cry from insulting you.
In YOUR opinion! See, you are so rude you won't even admit to ANY
misbehavior of your own. You ask me 100 questions, and then you reject
99.5 of my answers. How is that a balanced exchange? You aren't
seeking truth OR trying to interact! YOU HYPOCRITE!
>
>> The solution? Don't read my posts!
>> >
>> >> And you
>> >> >need to be honest with us.
>> >>
>> >> I always am. ARe you?
>> >>
>> >> We really won't care that much if you are just a guy with a High
>> >> School diploma.
>> >>
>> >> Ditto! If you aren't as educated as some of us, don't be ashamed. I
>> >> had my IQ measured before I even ATTEMPTED college! I didn't want
to
>> >> waste my time! Having been assured by the numbers AND the
counseling,
>> >> that I was "WELL above average" (read low end of the gifted/genius
>> >> range). I then found out that I could/did GROW my IQ! I STILL have
>> >> arguments with both my therapist and my psychiatrist that one can
grow
>> >> one's IQ! I did! When I took the Mensa test (again, I have nothing
to
>> >> prove, but you've made my intelligence and education an issue), I
was
>> >> happy to have missed member****p in Mensa (top 5% IQ of the
population)
>> >> by One Question!
>> >
>> >Was this a one question IQ test, or the two question variety.
>>
>> I didn't notice, or I forgot. It was the standard IQ measurement given
>> by the Psych Dept at Pepperdine U where I was a full scholar****p
>> student. (I don't care if you disbelieve THAT!)
>
>What happened between then and now when you are deemed untrainable
except
>for manual labor?
Again, I don't know how I got the degree and all the grad school. I
have two thoughts: God by pure grace showed me how to get through
somehow! OR I happened into a curriculum, PhotoJournalism, that I was
already HIGHLY qualified to do (we artistic people have INNATE talent
that we just have to hone and polish). Most of what I studied was
common sense to me!
>
I've also been tested and told within the last year that I am no
longer qualified for college/university. I wanted to go back. DVR said
"no."
>> As you SHOULD know, as bright and informed as you claim to be, the
>> only way to take a Mensa test is to apply to Mensa. I suppose you
>> could ask THEM!
>
>As you should know, Mensa is a money making club predicated on the pride
of
>human beings. It serves no purpose other than to collect its dues.
AGAIN, you sidestep the issue. And your totally ignorant opinion is
also irrelevant. Mensa does lots of stuff like charity. And its
purpose is to screen out the most gifted. You forgot that. If they
ONLY wanted to "collect dues", why didn't they admit ME since I only
failed by 2 points? One Question?
AGain, you ATTACK and ASSUME and throw your mindless opinions at me
("they only exist to collect dues") junior high pissing contest crap
at me AGAIN!
I won't play! You asked me to prove my IQ. I mentioned Mensa. You
RUDELY dismiss Mensa with total BS! YOu AGAIN aren't interested in
communicating. You merely want to get your juvenile licks in!
Play elsewhere child!
>
>> But I believe that information is confidential. However, once you
>> have contacted them, let me know and I'll sign a release for you to
>> have that information. I had the do***ents until, as I alluded several
>> times previously, I was homeless for almost 2 years and lost all my
>> property, do***ents and all.
>>
>> I know this typing is a total waste of energy. You're another
>> nit-picker! However, others will at least see that I tried to answer
>> your question, when they seemed within bounds.
>>
>> >Again you make an undo***ented claim. The truth is, John, that any
>> >respectable psychologist would have informed you of the unreliability
of
>IQ
>> >tests in measuring intelligence.
>>
>> They did. And I replied that all I was interested in was did I have
>> enough gray matter to get a university degree? They assured me I
>> did/do! Assume, assume, assume! And you don't even give me the tiniest
>> benefit of the doubt! You aren't concerned with my soul! You want to
>> pick my "resume" to pieces! Good luck!
>
>I assure you, your soul is the most im****tant thing to me.
LOL! My soul is in Good hands! Romans 10:9 AGAIN, you dodge!
>
>> You didn't even bother to give us the name
>> >of the IQ test, whether it was standardized or not, who standardized
it
>and
>> >what was their criterion for standardization.
>>
>> Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z. I'd say a university with the standing
>> of Pepperdine U when I was there answers your skepticism. When I
>> attended Pepperdine as a J school, it was in the top 10 J schools in
>> America! When I matriculated to Cal State Northridge (where the huge
>> earthquake happened), I found myself attending one of the top 5 J
>> schools in America! And I carried a 3.75 into my senior year, when I
>> had an argument with a prof over his misquoting the Bible. I called
>> him on it; he gave me my first "D" in my university history. And the
>> last! He killed my 3.75 and reduced it to a 2.75. I barely got into
>> grad school. But I 4.0'd grad school.
>
>Why are you now at a state where you are untrainable then? Your story
just
>doesn't jibe. One would expect that a person who could hold a 2.75 GPA
>through four years of College to be imminently trainable. Please
explain.
Why should I keep explaining, you want to flay me, layer by layer, and
every time I answer, you just find another nit to pick! That may be
fun for you! I could be... never mind. AGAIN, my disease appears to be
degenerative and progressive. I've probably 2/3 the brain power I had
while in university/grad school And I'm getting BLOODY tired of this
Inquisition by someone just getting off on peeling me!
>
>>
>> All of this is vitally
>> >im****tant in determining whether the test is valid and if so just
what it
>> >was measuring.
>>
>> Vitally im****tant to Whom? Youm? Big! As said, the two IQ tests I have
>> taken were administered by Pepperdine University School of Psychology,
>> and Mensa in Los Angeles.
>>
>> Wanna check? Go right ahead, if it'll shut you up! You might ALSO went
>> to check on my full scholar****p to Pepperdine U. I'll let you.
>>
>> In fact, you could check a little anecdote:
>> When I arrived at the school my first day, I had a sit-down with the
>> Dean of the J school, Dr. Clifford Wilson (you can check). He had
>> given me a full scholar****p, called a "Special Writing Achievement
>> Award". I thanked him for it. He thanked me for accepting it. I said I
>> was honored to be at a University with such polished professional
>> writers. He said I was one of them! He said that's why I and other
>> students were given scholar****ps! They recruited the best J students
>> from other surrounding schools, and then WE made the J school look
>> good! That's worth money to the school, so I was recruited as an
>> emerging, very talented writing, for which I've also received awards!
>> One award I received was (as I recall) a MEMO typed "Thanks for that
>> great job on the Foster Grandparents Program article!"
>
>Trust me, John, I am qualified to say this. The samples you have
published
>on this NG. Do not reflect your claims. They are not amazing specimens
of
>writing. I mean no disrespect, but that is just simply the truth.
Perhaps
>you could post the best award winning piece you wrote.
Great! My poetry is mundane!
It's won awards! (It's not amazing in YOUR HUMBLE OPINION!) Do you
know how difficult it is to get poetry PUBLISHED? Like 10 times harder
than a short story or article! Forget a novel! (I've written 3 novels;
and no, I won't post them.)
So if my poetry is SO mundane, how's about YOU post 3 or 4 of
YOUR poems and let's compare YOUR writing artistic talent with MINE!
Yes? :))
>
>Perhaps you would allow me to read some of your published works.
You want MORE to laugh at? Hahaha! I've posted published work. If
you have read much of my posting, you may recall I was homeless for
about 2 years from 1999 to 2001. During that time, 25 pounds of
samples since my college years are gone. Besides, I could type in what
I have, but since you don't like one single little thing about me, it
would be a TOTAL waste of time on MY part! As I keep saying, you
aren't interested! You're trying to play one-up. I don't play THAT OR
pissing games, two of your favorites, it seems!
I've also received NO assurances from you or anyone Else that my
author's rights would be respected.
And that means even published stuff. I can change it slightly and
re-sell it, but not if you and your goon squad send it to 10,000 of
your collective buddies.
>
>> I thought, "So what?" Dr. Wilson said, "I can see the look on your
>> face you don't have a clue what you're looking at."
>>
>> "No, I guess I don't. It's a memo!"
>>
>> "Yeah, and I've been trying to get them to do it fancy since I've been
>> here, my 16 years (approx years). The special thing is, in my 16 years
>> at this school, that's ONLY the third MEMO I've seen!"
>>
>> I said, "Oh!" beginning to absorb.
>>
>> "That says you're a VERY special person!"
>>
>> The history of the MEMO/article is this: I mentioned the Foster
>> Grandparents Program I wrote the article about. And I KNOW you've all
>> heard of the Foster Grandparents Program. They're all over the
>> country. Well, this was the Pilot Foster Grandparents Program! And my
>> article drew SO MUCH ATTENTION, it grew from there!
>>
>> That was what that award was about! I don't take all the credit; I had
>> an editor who was already a working pro on the local newspaper, the LA
>> Times (if any of you have heard of it)
>>
>> >
>> >As to your claim to have a degree in Journalism. This claim only
does
>one
>> >of two things: 1) Discredits Cal State's Journalisim program, or
shows
>that
>> >you are fudgeing a bit.
>>
>> Hahahahaha! Tell you what! If you like, I'll even give you permission
>> to do***ent my BA! You write the school, and I'll sign the paperwork!
>> Hehehe! You don't care! You just wanna snipe! Snipe away!
>
>I never said definitively that you didn't get one, just that if you did
it
>reflects poorly on Cal State.
Hahahahahahahaha! You're funny! Tell that to Cal State, one of the top
5 J schools in the nation while I was there. LOL! You're funny!
>
>> I quoted from a Robert Burns poem in a post to you
>> >a while back. Not only could you not even read it, but you went on
to
>ask
>> >who wrote it when the name Robert Burns was clearly posted at the
end.
>>
>> At 3 or 4 am or so, I barely got through the poem, and NO, I did NOT
>> see the author. Big! To YOU it's a big! You need a life! BOY, YOU are
>> the guy who wrote the manual "HOw to Nit-Pick!" And you CERTAINLY
>> honor God!
>>
>> >
>> >You, a Journalism major, and you can't read Burns? Incredible!
>>
>> One has NOTHING to do with the other. Journalism, while requiring a
>> college degree, does NOT require one to read Elizabethan. And as a
>> non-Journalist, you have NO idea what the curriculum is.
>
>That is nonsense. How did you get through "The Canterbury Tales", Or
>"Beowulf"?
What is nonsense? Your attitude is nonsense. NOW you are superimposing
your values on mine! Don't! It's stupid, and it ONLY shows YOUR
ignorance.
>
Literature was NOT required for a BA in J. Literature was NOT required
in High School! And if I didn't make it clear, I have a mental problem
that makes reading Elizabethan IMPOSSIBLE! MANY people have that
problem, Mr. Uppity Rice Counter!
>>
>> What are they teaching you guys these days. Is this an example of
>> affirmative action for the educationally challenged?
>>
>> While a Journalism degree may not have all the wrinkles of other
>> Liberal Arts programs, it DOES a unique thing. The Journalism degree
>> literally trains the student so that once he graduates, he is fully
>> competent to start working as a re****ter or freelancer. I chose
>> freelance. I can't stand media politics (we hear what they tell us).
>> >
>> >> Can YOU say YOU're that bright? And don't you know how many gifted
>> >> people have had mental issues AND artistic talent? Edgar Allen Poe
was
>> >> bi-polar, Michelangelo was bi-polar, Da vinci was mentally ill, and
>> >> the list goes on.
>> >
>> >You display a profound lack of knowledge even in the areas you claim
>> >expertise in.
>>
>> Nonsense. You are expressing ONE person's opinion, which you
>> consistently fail to label as such. You presume to speak for the
>> planet! EVERYONE but me!
>>
>> The luminaries you mentioned above excelled in there gifts
>> >and left no room for doubt about their intelligence and genius. This
is
>in
>> >stark contrast with your performance on this NG.
>>
>> In your opinion. I've posted some of my poetry. I'd post some works in
>> progress or published work, but I have very little published work
>> available (stolen), and i can't put work in progress in here. I
>> wouldn't trust you or others to not misuse it.
>
>From what you have published here I can say with full confidence that no
>self-respecting writer would even want to steal your stuff. You can
>consider that a professional opinion.
And if you are hinting that YOU are a professional writer, LOL! ROFL!
If you were an artist, you'd recognize the temperament/personality of
another artist! That you DON'T recognize my artistic nature means if
you DO make money with your "writing", you're what we call a "hack!"
LOL! and THAT IS a professional opinion. I've PROVED *I* can write!
Where are YOUR gems, Mr. Professional Author?
>
>> If you think that my writing in here is indicative of my writing
>> talent, ridiculous! Shows you know NOTHING about the creative process.
>> I wouldn't show a POEM I hadn't worked on for a month at LEAST! The
>> work comes from the soul INSPIRED, NOT polished!
>>
>> My poems are polished. My short stories and articles are polished. You
>> know NOTHING of that process, since I type "train of thought" in here.
>> That means spontaneously, in case you aren't a trained
>> journalist/writer and you didn't know that.
>
>Sigh!
Sigh! Sigh! So?
>
>> >
>> >> In fact we'd like you better being honest rather than inflating
your
>> >> resume when it is painfully obvious to us all that your grasp far
>> >> exceeds your reach.
>> >>
>> >> Well, I'm sorry you don't like me for dishonesty, when I'm being
100
>> >> percent honest. I can't do any better than that. And stop speaking
for
>> >> everyone. Speak for yourself! And I'm amused that you feel my
"resume"
>> >> was so inflated. If you saw my resume, you should KNOW what
>> >> universities and seminaries I attended. Which means that all this
>> >> explanation I bothered with was wasted! You aren't looking for
"facts"
>> >> or "clarification". You somehow think you'll get me to "admit"
>> >> something. I already HAVE! Only me doesn't satisfy you! You want
>> >> ANOTHER me.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Is ANY of us more im****tant than leading the lost to the fold?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, apologizing to people whom you have insulted, castigated, and
>> >accused
>> >> >falsely.
>> >>
>> >> You mis-read the last statement. LOL! I asked if any of US is more
>> >> im****tant than evangelism. You responded "yes, apologizing is more
>> >> im****tant than soul winning!"
>> >>
>> >> Now aren't YOU just full of yourself? I don't know WHY! I'm not
>> >> impressed! You're judgmental, you're arrogant; you assume, assume,
>> >> assume, and you fabricate!
>> >>
>> >John, if you listened to just 1/4 of what I said and took it to heart
>you'd
>> >be that much better off. And yes, you must apologize in order to be
used
>by
>> >God. Lastly, you must never assume that you can lead anyone to the
fold.
>> >That is what Jesus does. The best we can be is a tool in his hand.
>>
>> That's YOUR interpretation/opinion. I do not share it!
>>
>> Paul, I KEEP listening for you to say SOMETHING! You continue to
>> disappoint me and others, I'm sure!
>
>In Christ, I sure hope this ends this RIDICULOUS waste of time!
John W
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:44:28 -0500, "Paul" <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
><snip>
>
>>> I'm NOT stupid! I have an undergraduate degree and 2 Masters degrees
>> >> in progress.
>> >
>> >Sorry, John, but I just don't believe you.
>>
>> I'll lose a month's sleep over that, believe me!
>>
>> I think that this is what you wish was true,
>>
>> I am surprised you admit to thinking, if you want to get nasty!
>>
>> but I cannot imagine a university, or college that would
>> >grant you any kind of degree.
>>
>> So you admit to having no imagination either!
>>
>> Feel free to correct me by naming the institution where you are
>> studying,
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Not that it's any of your business, and not that you are going to take
>> any of this seriously (you just look to nitpick, not to gather
>> information)
>
>This is all the information I need. You make the rest obvious to
everyone.
>
>> So much for YOUR attention to detail. I've SEVERAL times now posted
>> the Universities, colleges, and seminaries I have attended. Look for
>> them! I'm sure you've heard of at least 2 of the three.
>> (And, Sherlock, I have NOTHING to prove to you!)
>
>It is not so much as I have heard of them. It is that they have never
heard
>of you.
And, oh, Mr. Mouth, you know that HOW? This isn't argument or debate.
You've lowered yourself to PURE character assassination! How silly!
How little boy of you!
>
>> I've said repeatedly that I have a BA in Journalism from Cal State. My
>> masters work was done at two seminaries and a university concurrently.
>> (yes, I AM that smart) I continued my MS in Psychology at Cal State,
>> while I went to California Graduate School of Theology in Glendale,
>> CA, to begin my MATh. I concurrently attended Fuller Theological
>> seminary. In other words, 3 grad schools at one time!
>> I did not attend the seminaries for 2 years. As I clarified several
>> times already, I attended the two seminaries, taking VERY different
>> subjects, and attended until the money ran out.
>>
>> and if you do I am sure it will be a degree mill and if you don't, do
>> not worry we will all understand.
>>
>> I don't care if you understand. And so much for your degree mill. It
>> must be AWFUL to be as opinionated as you are and be SO wrong, too!
>> You know what happens when you assume like this? You make an ass of
>> yourself! Good job!
>
>John, just stating that you attended these schools is not proof that you
>actually did. Now, perhaps you did and then subsquently degenerated
into
>the state you now find yourself in, but these are things that we shall
never
>knoe unless you care to provide do***entation.
I have. You rejected it as I predicted. You're merely being a one-up
wise-ass at this point. I reject that. I'm a Christian doing the best
I can do to evangelize! Can YOU say that? I have NOTHING to prove to
anyone, including YOU!
>
>> >
> >I think you are like those kids we all knew who's dad's belonged to
the
>CIA, and FBI, and were so very im****tant, or rich , or whatever they
could get
>us to swallow, but by the time the school year ended we all knew that
they
>were just sad lonely insecure kids who couldn't figure out how to be
accepted
>by others.
And so, let's say I AM one of those kids (partially correct), this is
how you treat "sad, lonely, insecure kids"?
How Christian of you! I'll be sure to watch you CLOSELY so I can
follow your example! You're SO good at this character assassination
stuff!
>>
>> Sniff! Sniff! Paul doesn't like me! I'll lose 5 minutes sleep tonight!
>>
>> >
>> >> I agree to disagree with many of you. Will you return the favor? My
>> >> ONE concern in here is that something I say or something YOU say
gets
>> >> through to a lost person and (s)he finds Christ!
>> >
>> >John, at this point you need to live out these sentiments on this NG
for
>a
>> >while. You have made this type of plea before and it didn't last.
>>
>> As I have said repeatedly, I'm doing the best I can. I have admitted
>> several times now that I have a disability. You need know no more. If
>> I told ALL, I would not get one INCH more respect!
>> (If my posts bother you SO much, why do you read them? Are you a
>> masochist? Then you need REAL help!)
>
>There is not an inch of respect that can be taken from you even now, so
>being honest couldn't hurt you anymore than you have already hurt
yourself.
AGAIN, you miss /ignore my point in your race to hammer yours home!
That ignoring my point isn't discussion! It's arrogance! I neither
need nor want nor desire your respect. I don't know you! I MEANT that
no matter WHAT I say or do, you're the ... you are and your behavior
isn't going to change! I think my big brother Paul is very sad right
now that you have the same name!
>Even in this post you do nothing but constantly throw insults and whine
>about how people should put up with your disrespectful, insolent
behaviour,
>put forth undo***ented claims about your intellegence.
The two or three of you who have thrown those insults at ME are as
guilty as you say I am! Pot and kettle! I keep apologizing and saying
I'm doing my best. That isn't good enough! It's all I have.
The solution? Don't read my posts!
>
>> And you
>> >need to be honest with us.
>>
>> I always am. ARe you?
>>
>> We really won't care that much if you are just a guy with a High
>> School diploma.
>>
>> Ditto! If you aren't as educated as some of us, don't be ashamed. I
>> had my IQ measured before I even ATTEMPTED college! I didn't want to
>> waste my time! Having been assured by the numbers AND the counseling,
>> that I was "WELL above average" (read low end of the gifted/genius
>> range). I then found out that I could/did GROW my IQ! I STILL have
>> arguments with both my therapist and my psychiatrist that one can grow
>> one's IQ! I did! When I took the Mensa test (again, I have nothing to
>> prove, but you've made my intelligence and education an issue), I was
>> happy to have missed member****p in Mensa (top 5% IQ of the population)
>> by One Question!
>
>Was this a one question IQ test, or the two question variety.
I didn't notice, or I forgot. It was the standard IQ measurement given
by the Psych Dept at Pepperdine U where I was a full scholar****p
student. (I don't care if you disbelieve THAT!)
>
As you SHOULD know, as bright and informed as you claim to be, the
only way to take a Mensa test is to apply to Mensa. I suppose you
could ask THEM!
But I believe that information is confidential. However, once you
have contacted them, let me know and I'll sign a release for you to
have that information. I had the do***ents until, as I alluded several
times previously, I was homeless for almost 2 years and lost all my
property, do***ents and all.
I know this typing is a total waste of energy. You're another
nit-picker! However, others will at least see that I tried to answer
your question, when they seemed within bounds.
>Again you make an undo***ented claim. The truth is, John, that any
>respectable psychologist would have informed you of the unreliability of
IQ
>tests in measuring intelligence.
They did. And I replied that all I was interested in was did I have
enough gray matter to get a university degree? They assured me I
did/do! Assume, assume, assume! And you don't even give me the tiniest
benefit of the doubt! You aren't concerned with my soul! You want to
pick my "resume" to pieces! Good luck!
You didn't even bother to give us the name
>of the IQ test, whether it was standardized or not, who standardized it
and
>what was their criterion for standardization.
Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z. I'd say a university with the standing
of Pepperdine U when I was there answers your skepticism. When I
attended Pepperdine as a J school, it was in the top 10 J schools in
America! When I matriculated to Cal State Northridge (where the huge
earthquake happened), I found myself attending one of the top 5 J
schools in America! And I carried a 3.75 into my senior year, when I
had an argument with a prof over his misquoting the Bible. I called
him on it; he gave me my first "D" in my university history. And the
last! He killed my 3.75 and reduced it to a 2.75. I barely got into
grad school. But I 4.0'd grad school.
All of this is vitally
>im****tant in determining whether the test is valid and if so just what
it
>was measuring.
Vitally im****tant to Whom? Youm? Big! As said, the two IQ tests I have
taken were administered by Pepperdine University School of Psychology,
and Mensa in Los Angeles.
Wanna check? Go right ahead, if it'll shut you up! You might ALSO went
to check on my full scholar****p to Pepperdine U. I'll let you.
In fact, you could check a little anecdote:
When I arrived at the school my first day, I had a sit-down with the
Dean of the J school, Dr. Clifford Wilson (you can check). He had
given me a full scholar****p, called a "Special Writing Achievement
Award". I thanked him for it. He thanked me for accepting it. I said I
was honored to be at a University with such polished professional
writers. He said I was one of them! He said that's why I and other
students were given scholar****ps! They recruited the best J students
from other surrounding schools, and then WE made the J school look
good! That's worth money to the school, so I was recruited as an
emerging, very talented writing, for which I've also received awards!
One award I received was (as I recall) a MEMO typed "Thanks for that
great job on the Foster Grandparents Program article!"
I thought, "So what?" Dr. Wilson said, "I can see the look on your
face you don't have a clue what you're looking at."
"No, I guess I don't. It's a memo!"
"Yeah, and I've been trying to get them to do it fancy since I've been
here, my 16 years (approx years). The special thing is, in my 16 years
at this school, that's ONLY the third MEMO I've seen!"
I said, "Oh!" beginning to absorb.
"That says you're a VERY special person!"
The history of the MEMO/article is this: I mentioned the Foster
Grandparents Program I wrote the article about. And I KNOW you've all
heard of the Foster Grandparents Program. They're all over the
country. Well, this was the Pilot Foster Grandparents Program! And my
article drew SO MUCH ATTENTION, it grew from there!
That was what that award was about! I don't take all the credit; I had
an editor who was already a working pro on the local newspaper, the LA
Times (if any of you have heard of it)
>
>As to your claim to have a degree in Journalism. This claim only does
one
>of two things: 1) Discredits Cal State's Journalisim program, or shows
that
>you are fudgeing a bit.
Hahahahaha! Tell you what! If you like, I'll even give you permission
to do***ent my BA! You write the school, and I'll sign the paperwork!
Hehehe! You don't care! You just wanna snipe! Snipe away!
I quoted from a Robert Burns poem in a post to you
>a while back. Not only could you not even read it, but you went on to
ask
>who wrote it when the name Robert Burns was clearly posted at the end.
At 3 or 4 am or so, I barely got through the poem, and NO, I did NOT
see the author. Big! To YOU it's a big! You need a life! BOY, YOU are
the guy who wrote the manual "HOw to Nit-Pick!" And you CERTAINLY
honor God!
>
>You, a Journalism major, and you can't read Burns? Incredible!
One has NOTHING to do with the other. Journalism, while requiring a
college degree, does NOT require one to read Elizabethan. And as a
non-Journalist, you have NO idea what the curriculum is.
What are they teaching you guys these days. Is this an example of
affirmative action for the educationally challenged?
While a Journalism degree may not have all the wrinkles of other
Liberal Arts programs, it DOES a unique thing. The Journalism degree
literally trains the student so that once he graduates, he is fully
competent to start working as a re****ter or freelancer. I chose
freelance. I can't stand media politics (we hear what they tell us).
>
>> Can YOU say YOU're that bright? And don't you know how many gifted
>> people have had mental issues AND artistic talent? Edgar Allen Poe was
>> bi-polar, Michelangelo was bi-polar, Da vinci was mentally ill, and
>> the list goes on.
>
>You display a profound lack of knowledge even in the areas you claim
>expertise in.
Nonsense. You are expressing ONE person's opinion, which you
consistently fail to label as such. You presume to speak for the
planet! EVERYONE but me!
The luminaries you mentioned above excelled in there gifts
>and left no room for doubt about their intelligence and genius. This is
in
>stark contrast with your performance on this NG.
In your opinion. I've posted some of my poetry. I'd post some works in
progress or published work, but I have very little published work
available (stolen), and i can't put work in progress in here. I
wouldn't trust you or others to not misuse it.
If you think that my writing in here is indicative of my writing
talent, ridiculous! Shows you know NOTHING about the creative process.
I wouldn't show a POEM I hadn't worked on for a month at LEAST! The
work comes from the soul INSPIRED, NOT polished!
My poems are polished. My short stories and articles are polished. You
know NOTHING of that process, since I type "train of thought" in here.
That means spontaneously, in case you aren't a trained
journalist/writer and you didn't know that.
>
>> In fact we'd like you better being honest rather than inflating your
>> resume when it is painfully obvious to us all that your grasp far
>> exceeds your reach.
>>
>> Well, I'm sorry you don't like me for dishonesty, when I'm being 100
>> percent honest. I can't do any better than that. And stop speaking for
>> everyone. Speak for yourself! And I'm amused that you feel my "resume"
>> was so inflated. If you saw my resume, you should KNOW what
>> universities and seminaries I attended. Which means that all this
>> explanation I bothered with was wasted! You aren't looking for "facts"
>> or "clarification". You somehow think you'll get me to "admit"
>> something. I already HAVE! Only me doesn't satisfy you! You want
>> ANOTHER me.
>>
>> >
>> >> Is ANY of us more im****tant than leading the lost to the fold?
>> >
>> >Yes, apologizing to people whom you have insulted, castigated, and
>accused
>> >falsely.
>>
>> You mis-read the last statement. LOL! I asked if any of US is more
>> im****tant than evangelism. You responded "yes, apologizing is more
>> im****tant than soul winning!"
>>
>> Now aren't YOU just full of yourself? I don't know WHY! I'm not
>> impressed! You're judgmental, you're arrogant; you assume, assume,
>> assume, and you fabricate!
>>
>John, if you listened to just 1/4 of what I said and took it to heart
you'd
>be that much better off. And yes, you must apologize in order to be
used by
>God. Lastly, you must never assume that you can lead anyone to the
fold.
>That is what Jesus does. The best we can be is a tool in his hand.
That's YOUR interpretation/opinion. I do not share it!
Paul, I KEEP listening for you to say SOMETHING! You continue to
disappoint me and others, I'm sure!
>
>Sincerely,
>Paul
>
>
>
>
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In Christ,
John W
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From: john weatherly <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Absolute proof that God does not exist.
Date: 1998/07/29
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This fool would have us believe that God, the lackey, is at his beck and
call.
He isn't.
"God must...." "God must..." "God must..."
Just who the hell do you think you are, making demands on God?
God will do what He will do. God will not do what He won't do.
I guess He wasn't interested in your raving.
j
This reminds me of a funny story I heard while in seminary.
An atheist called a tent meeting. He claimed that he could prove there
was no God
in 30 minutes.
Needless to say, a whole lot of scoffers showed up, and a crowd rapidly
collected
to view this demonstration.
The foolish atheist raised his face and his fists towards heaven and
declared
"If there is a God, I demand you strike me dead in the next 30 minutes."
Then he stood there and waited 30 minutes. He talked about different
things, and
occassionally checked his watch. 30 minutes later, he laughed.
"ahahahahahahaha" "Well, I just proved there's no God. I demanded that
God strike
me dead in 30 minutes, and I'm still here. There's no God."
As the two women left the meeting that night, the one lady said to her
companion,
"Well, he just proved something."
The other lady responded, "Yes, he sure did. He proved that nobody can
totally
exhaust God's patience in 30 minutes."
j
Shawn wrote:
> Chani wrote:
>
> : Neil Boland wrote in message <6pb4kn$c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> : >After following this newsgroup for the past few weeks, I have
decided to
> : >conduct a test. I do not believe in the Christian God or any other
deity;
congratulations. Now that we know you're a fool,j
> I
> : >am an atheist. I am, however, willing to accept the existence of
God, if he
> : >can carry out one simple task.
This assumes you have the power to order God to do your bidding. You
don't.There
have been MANY proofs of God's existence.
And there is no way you can prove that He doesn't exist.
He has in fact revealed Himself hundreds of times throughout human
history.
Jesus is one such manifestation.
The vegetation that man can't create from nothing is another
manifestation.
I could go on, but I believe I've made my point.
j
> I hereby defy God to prevent this message
> : >from reaching my news server. This must surely be a trivial act for
an
> : >omnipotent deity, sup****ted by the belief of millions of theists, to
carry
> : >out. If however, this message is available to myself or any other
members
>
> If god exists then god must prevent this follow up post from being
posted.
> I will log on monday july 27,1998 at EXACTLY 10:00 pm eastern daylight
time
> & if I can see this message & post to it then god doesn't exist since
god
> was too weak to prevent it from being posted.
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>JesusLovesASinner wrote:
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>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:30:30 GMT, philb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >AS SERBS stormed and torched their parliament in an outburst of
>> >violence encouraged and cheered on by the Western powers, US
>> >President Clinton proclaimed: "The United States stands with
>> >people everywhere who are fighting for their freedom."
>>
>> Sure enough. Tell me when will the US give Virginian back to its
>> true native American owners?
>
>WEll, my seminary studies indicated that those some call "Native
>Americans" are in fact, transplanted 2000 B.C. Europeans. I don't wish
>to call names, but I live in a very mixed community. We have a lot of
>blacks, a lot of hispanics. A lot of Asians, we have a lot of Arabs,
>Palenstinians, Jews, and Whites. I think that pretty much covers the
>races. My point is, we must share the land God has given us.
>
That sounds remarkably like a cope out. The US is predicated
on what we today would call ethnic cleansing. The indigenous
population was destroyed or subjected to serve the creed and
avarice of European colonialists. A sizeable chunk of the US
population were trans****ted to the US as slaves for similar
reasons.
>> What about reparations to American
>> blacks for their past sufferings under US administration?
>
>What about reparations to America's Disabled, which is what I am. In
>fact, even those of you on this newgroup and many others on the internet
>consider those of us who are monetarily poor 2nd class.
>
Your disability (I assume) is not an example of ethnic cleansing
or as in the case of American blacks an example of forced
transfer of population. American blacks were use, abused,
raped and generally treated like dung by white European
colonialists. Reparations would help to restore the balance
if only to repay them for the years of their sweated labor that
brought the US a prosperity in which they never shared.
>
>> What
>> about freedom for Islamic women from the indignities and pain of
>> female cir***cision? What about the RC Church publicly apologizing
>> to the victims of her pedophile priests? Like most bigots you have
>> a very one sided view of life.
>
>Um.... when was the last time somebody insulted you JUST because you're
>a Christian?
Sorry, can't remember that happening.
>I get it several times a day.
Sure you are not doing something to provoke people? Maybe you
are confusing your experience as a disabled person with your
being a Christian?
>So if you don't believe
>you're being persecuted, you're already numb and oblivious to the real
>danger here.
Compared with what the North American indigenous population or
American blacks have gone through I have never been persecuted
(neither have you).
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(Al) wrote:
>http://www.protomartyr.org/first.html
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>Which Came First: The Church or the New Testament?
>By Fr. James Bernstein
The church. It began the day Jesus began calling the 12.
John W
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>As a Jewish convert to Christ via evangelical Protestantism, I
>naturally wanted to know God better through the reading of the
>Scriptures. In fact, it had been through reading the Gospels in the
>"forbidden book" called the New Testament, at age sixteen, that I had
>come to believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our promised
>Messiah. In my early years as a Christian, much of my religious
>education came from private Bible reading. By the time I entered
>college, I had a pocket-sized version of the whole Bible that was my
>constant companion. I would commit favorite passages from the
>Scriptures to memory, and often quote them to myself in times of
>temptation-or to others as I sought to convince them of Christ. The
>Bible became for me-as it is to this day-the most im****tant book in
>print. I can say from my heart with Saint Paul the Apostle, "All
>Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
>doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
>righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).
>
>That's the good news!
>
>The bad news is that often I would decide for myself what the
>Scriptures meant. For example, I became so enthusiastic about knowing
>Jesus as my close and personal friend that I thought my own awareness
>of Him was all I needed. So I would mark verses about Jesus with my
>yellow highlighter, but pass over passages concerning God the Father,
>or the Church, or baptism. I saw the Bible as a heavenly instruction
>manual. I didn't think I needed the Church, except as a good place to
>make friends or to leans more about the Bible so I could be a better
>do-it-yourself Christian. I came to think that I could build my life,
>and the Church, by the Book. I mean, I took sola scriptura ("only the
>Bible") seriously! Salvation history was clear to me: God sent His
>Son, together they sent the Holy Spirit, then came the New Testament
>to explain salvation, and finally the Church developed.
>
>Close, maybe, but not close enough.
>
>Let me hasten to say that the Bible is all God intends it to be. No
>problem with the Bible. The problem lay in the way I individualized
>it, subjecting it to my own personal interpretations-some not so bad,
>others not so good.
>
>A STRUGGLE FOR UNDERSTANDING
>It was not long after my conversion to Christianity that I found
>myself getting swept up in the tide of religious sectarianism, in
>which Christians would part ways over one issue after another. It
>seemed, for instance, that there were as many opinions on the Second
>Coming as there were people in the discussion. So we'd all appeal to
>the Scriptures. "I believe in the Bible. If it's not in the Bible I
>don't believe it," became my war cry. What I did not realize was that
>everyone else was saying the same thing! It was not the Bible, but
>each one's private interpretation of it, that became our ultimate
>authority. In an age which highly exalts independence of thought and
>self-reliance, I was becoming my own pope! The guidelines I used in
>interpreting Scripture seemed simple enough: When the plain sense of
>Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense. I believed that
>those who were truly faithful and honest in following this principle
>would achieve Christian unity. To my surprise, this "common sense"
>approach led not to increased Christian clarity and unity, but rather
>to a spiritual free-for-all! Those who most strongly adhered to
>believing "only the Bible" tended to become the, most factious,
>divisive, and combative of Christians-perhaps unintentionally. In
>fact, it seemed to me that the more one held to the Bible as the only
>source of spiritual authority, the more factious and sectarian one
>became. We would even argue heatedly over verses on love! Within my
>circle of Bible-believing friends, I witnessed a mini-explosion of
>sects and schismatic movements, each claiming to be "true to the
>Bible" and each in bitter conflict with the others. Serious conflict
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