The Gospel of Salvation through the shed blood of Christ, offered for our
sins.
YES!
> The Holy Bible tells us that Jesus traveled from town to town to teach
this
> Gospel. Well, what did He teach those people? It certainly was not a
lesson
> about "sacrifice" and "vicarious atonement." They already had that. He
did not
> travel the country preaching, "I'm the perfect lamb, and when you
sacrifice me,
> your sins will be forgiven."
True. He came and proved His deity through His miracles, and preached
that the
Kingdom had come, and that He was the Way to God. These people weren't
stupid. They
didn't all realize He had to die, but as they searched the scriptures
after His
death and resurrection, it became clear who He was and what He had done.
He didn't
need to preach His death, burial, and Resurrection. He left that for His
Apostles.
Which the Acts and the Epistles tell us is EXACTLY what they preached.
And Paul
warned us that therewould be those of you who would come preaching
"something
different", something other than Jesus crucified, and repentance, and we
were to
reject that "message"/YOUR "message."You need to repent and get back on
track while
there's still time, "Housekeep 1". The message you are bringing here is a
false
one.
Repent while you can! I don't blame you. You have been led astray. But
you need to
realize the error of your ways. You have not been taught properly. And
you have
strayed. You need to seek God's forgiveness and repent for
following/teaching/preaching a false message.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As a matter of fact, He never taught that your
> sins "will" be forgiven, He taught that your sins ARE forgiven.
no. He said, "I forgive you." See, Jesus, being God, was the only man we
have ever
known who literally had the power, the authority, not only to heal, He
had the
power to forgive sin! He was God!
> As the people
> believed, they were healed.
true.
> You are worthy!
no. Only He makes us worthy. That is a hard pill for you to swallow,
isn't it?
> That is the only reason God sent Him and Jesus came. You are
> the Light of the world, let your Light ****ne.
this is heresy! We are not the light of the world. Only those who believe
in Jesus
as Lord God become the light as we let His light ****ne through us. We
have no light
of our own to ****ne.
> You, who were created in the very
> Image of God, and given Life by His very Breath, are worthy, not
because of
> what you do, but because of what you are, a glorious child of God.
we only are God's child as we give ourselves to Him. We are not born
children of
God.And with this false message you are teaching/preaching, it is obvious
that you
are NOT one of God's children in the Biblical sense. You ARE His
creation, however,
and you can STILL be saved from the coming wrath, but time is short.
>
>
> Forgiveness is not a "pardon" for some grievous act. Forgiveness is the
Voice
> for God saying, "There was no crime."
Oh, really? And how do you respond to Isaiah saying there is none
righteousness?
> You try to hide from God in the same way
> Adam tried to hide from God, by immersing yourself into the perils of
> existence, "Sorry God, no time to look for you." Where you see sin, God
only
> sees error.
Funny, I see both words in the Bible. God says we have ALL sinned, and
have all
fallen short of God's glory.Romans 3:23
> Jesus was sent to gently correct our error. There was no crime!
> Rejoice!
You are either greatly deceived, or you are a liar!
>
>
> Jesus taught the Path to Salvation.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Salvation from what? If there is no sin?What were we
saved
from? The "wages of sin"? perhaps?
> He taught us how to loose ourselves from
> the bondage of the Law
yes
> and scripture,
nogive me the verse where He said this, please.
> God cannot be contained within books of
> men.
That is where we find Him, within the pages of His Holy Book, the Bible.
But the
men who wrote it wrote what God told them to write, so actually God wrote
the
Bible.
> He taught us how to transcend this superficial world of form. He taught
> The Way to heaven.
True. Gee, you finally got something right!
> Now, some may become confused here, He did not teach that we should
have faith
> that He was God and that we should hold tightly to this faith as we sit
around
> and wait for His return. He taught The Way for us to return Home, where
our
> Father anxiously awaits.
true again. See, you can get it right in a few areas. But the wrong you
preach will
send MANY souls to hell.
>
>
> He taught that what we "think" is more im****tant than what we "do,"
quote the verses please. Actually, both are im****tant.
> and we
> should purify our thoughts, as our actions always follow our thoughts.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> He
> taught us about Love and how God did not create this world of misery
and hate,
> we did.
no. Satan did. Or don't you believe in him? Maybe you ARE him?
> Choose once again.
>
> Every day, every being upon this planet, lifts up to God an offering of
Guilt
> and Remorse. Day after day, century after century, millennium following
> millennium, five billion souls sing their songs of praise wrapped in
Guilt and
> Remorse. Are these fitting offerings for God, Who knows only Eternal
Joy and
> Thanksgiving?
He doesn't know sin and remorse? Define remorse? Remorse is being truly
sorry for
our sin and wrongdoing. Don't you believe God is delighted when we are
truly
remorseful?Sure He is. When a mass murder comes to his senses and gets
right with
God, as did Ted Bundy, don't you think God rejoices with this true
remorse?
>
>
> Forgiveness is the message that changes guilt and remorse into Joy and
> Thanksgiving, choose once again.
The forgiveness is from God, to be sure. But God can only forgive when we
are
remorsefull.
> Sinlessness does not come from the blood of
> an unmercifully sacrificed lamb. It comes from a decision, a decision
to return
> to God, to purify our minds, to become Love.
we can never become sinless. Give that one a permanent rest.
>
>
> God knows not retribution or punishment or vengeance or wrath.
Oh, really? "Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord.
And I really must stop before this syrup of poison makes me truly puke.
Why have you allowed Satan to fill your heart with such corruption?
prophet_jon
> Justice, for
> God, is our eventual recognition of our sinless Nature and Pureness of
Being as
> living, loving Aspects of the Wholeness of God.
lies! Satanic lies!
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you know,
<BR>this starts out so beautifully,
<BR>I kinda almost hate to jump on the author, Housekeep 1, with both
feet
and tear the meat off his bones!
<BR>But I must.
<BR>Here walks a soft spoken, earnest, sincere, quiet, polite
<BR> false teacher.
<BR>He woos you with soft, sweet music, as he teaches/preaches enough
heresy
<BR>to send your soul to hell if you don't know any better.
<BR>I, prophet_jon, know better,
<BR>and I will show you his grievous errors if you will follow me through
his sweet, poisonous words.
<BR>Come, let us study together:
<BR>prophet_jon
<P>Housekeep1 wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>The Way
<P>Some have asked about my "Gospel." I never claimed to have a gospel,
I only
<BR>claimed to teach what Jesus has taught me.</BLOCKQUOTE>
"Housekeep 1"'s Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. Neither is his
"gospel"
that which Jesus and the prophets of old and the apostles of new gave us.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Well, "Gospel" means "Good News,"
<BR>and Jesus indeed had good news for the world. His Gospel is my
Gospel,</BLOCKQUOTE>
not true.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>which I
<BR>shall now attempt to put into words:
<P>Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Firstborn of Creation. Although
His Purity
<BR>of Spirit, and Lightness of Being maintain His Eternal Innocence and
<BR>Sinlessness, He manifest as Man, in great Love for you and respect
toward His
<BR>Father's Will.</BLOCKQUOTE>
so good so far.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Being born of a virgin, as was His mother and twin soul, Mary,
</BLOCKQUOTE>
are you here telling us that Mary was/is a pre-existent Deity, like
Jesus?If
she was Jesus' "twin soul" she must be Deity.
<BR>Quote me the verse, please, where you get this heresy.
<BR>Last I looked, there are three, not four, who compose the Holy
Trinity:
<BR>Father
<BR>Son
<BR>Holy Spirit
<P>Your Holy Trinity looks like this:
<BR>Father
<BR>Mother
<BR>Son
<BR>Holy Spirit
<BR>something is wrong with this picture.
<BR>It violates scripture.
<BR>Mary acknowledged her sinful nature in written scripture, and her
need
of a savior.
<BR>Luke 1:46, opening what has been called "Mary's Magnificat"
<BR>says
<BR>46 "And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord
<BR>47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
<BR>If Mary needed a savior, she wasn't God, or the 4th person of the
Holy
Trinity, or Deity.
<BR>She was a sinner, like you and me. Unlike Jesus, whom the Bible says
was born of the virgin Mary, the Bible makes no such claim of Mary. She
was human like the rest of us.
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>His purity was
<BR>maintained even as His Spirit densified onto the material realm.
<P>He endured a physical body and a world of limited Thought for a
reason,
He
<BR>endured in accordance to His Father€™s Plan of Salvation for the
Whole
of
<BR>Creation.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Peter said to the Lord Jesus, "Lord, you know all things."
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Many teach that man is sinful by Nature and justly deserving of the
torments of
<BR>hell. This is not so.</BLOCKQUOTE>
This IS so."All we, like sheep, have gone astray. We have turned,
everyone,
to his own way.
<BR>And the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
<BR>Isaiah 53:6 KJV (the version in which I memorized this as a child.
This is why Jesus came and died.
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>God would never make His Son assume the chains of
the
<BR>body for any deemed unworthy.</BLOCKQUOTE>
says who? says YOU? I rebuke you! Here, you are the spokesman for a liar,
the prince of liars!Notice here, folks, while this guy's words sound
lofty
and sweet, he doesn't quote any scripture. This guy is quoting you very
pretty sounding, poison of the New Age, New Gospel of Man, not the Gospel
of God!
<BR>Run, children!
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Unworthiness is the lie, that is the deception.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
Your words are the lie, the deception. Contrary to your lies, the Bible
says:Psalm 14:2-3
<BR>"Jehovah looked down from Heaven upon the children of men, to see if
there were any that did understand, that did seek after God.
<BR>They are all gone aside; they are together become filthy; there is
none that doeth good, no, not one.
<BR>Romans 3:10
<BR>There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who
understands,
no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become
WORTHLESS;
there is no one who does good, not even one."
<BR>Even St. Paul said, he had lived a righteous life, been the perfectly
righteous Jew his entire life. Then he met the Risen Lord Jesus, and Paul
realized his entire life was a pile of DUNG compared with Christ!
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Jesus knew, by coming here, that He must die, but that is not why He
came.</BLOCKQUOTE>
That is EXACTLY why He came. See above scriptures. The Lord laid on Him
the iniquity of us all. This was an Old Testament prophesy that the Lord
Jesus forknew He would have to fulfill if we were to survive death and
go to Heaven to the reward God had wanted us to have.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Jesus came to deliver a Message from His Father, He brought "Good New"
of Great
<BR>Joy. He brought a Gospel.</BLOCKQUOTE>
The Gospel of Salvation through the shed blood of Christ, offered for our
sins. YES!
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>The Holy Bible tells us that Jesus traveled from town to town to teach
this
<BR>Gospel. Well, what did He teach those people? It certainly was
not a lesson
<BR>about "sacrifice" and "vicarious atonement." They already had that.
He did not
<BR>travel the country preaching, "I'm the perfect lamb, and when you
sacrifice
me,
<BR>your sins will be forgiven."</BLOCKQUOTE>
True. He came and proved His deity through His miracles, and preached
that
the Kingdom had come, and that He was the Way to God. These people
weren't
stupid. They didn't all realize He had to die, but as they searched the
scriptures after His death and resurrection, it became clear who He was
and what He had done. He didn't need to preach His death, burial, and
Resurrection.
He left that for His Apostles. Which the Acts and the Epistles tell us
is EXACTLY what they preached. And Paul warned us that therewould be
those
of you who would come preaching "something different", something other
than Jesus crucified, and repentance, and we were to reject that
"message"/YOUR
"message."You need to repent and get back on track while there's still
time, "Housekeep 1". The message you are bringing here is a false one.
<BR>Repent while you can! I don't blame you. You have been led astray.
But you need to realize the error of your ways. You have not been taught
properly. And you have strayed. You need to seek God's forgiveness and
repent for following/teaching/preaching a false message.
<BR>prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> As a matter of fact, He never taught that
your
<BR>sins "will" be forgiven, He taught that your sins ARE forgiven.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
no. He said, "I forgive you." See, Jesus, being God, was the only man we
have ever known who literally had the power, the authority, not only to
heal, He had the power to forgive sin! He was God!
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>As the people
<BR>believed, they were healed.</BLOCKQUOTE>
true.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>You are worthy!</BLOCKQUOTE>
no. Only He makes us worthy. That is a hard pill for you to swallow,
isn't
it?
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> That is the only reason God sent Him and
Jesus
came. You are
<BR>the Light of the world, let your Light ****ne.</BLOCKQUOTE>
this is heresy! We are not the light of the world. Only those who believe
in Jesus as Lord God become the light as we let His light ****ne through
us. We have no light of our own to ****ne.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>You, who were created in the very
<BR>Image of God, and given Life by His very Breath, are worthy, not
because
of
<BR>what you do, but because of what you are, a glorious child of God.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
we only are God's child as we give ourselves to Him. We are not born
children
of God.And with this false message you are teaching/preaching, it is
obvious
that you are NOT one of God's children in the Biblical sense. You ARE His
creation, however, and you can STILL be saved from the coming wrath, but
time is short.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Forgiveness is not a "pardon" for some grievous act. Forgiveness is
the Voice
<BR>for God saying, "There was no crime."</BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, really? And how do you respond to Isaiah saying there is none
righteousness?
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>You try to hide from God in the same way
<BR>Adam tried to hide from God, by immersing yourself into the perils
of
<BR>existence, "Sorry God, no time to look for you." Where you see sin,
God only
<BR>sees error.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Funny, I see both words in the Bible. God says we have ALL sinned, and
have all fallen short of God's glory.Romans 3:23
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Jesus was sent to gently correct our error. There
was no crime!
<BR>Rejoice!</BLOCKQUOTE>
You are either greatly deceived, or you are a liar!
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Jesus taught the Path to Salvation.</BLOCKQUOTE>
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Salvation from what? If there is no sin?What were
we saved from? The "wages of sin"? perhaps?
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>He taught us how to loose ourselves from
<BR>the bondage of the Law</BLOCKQUOTE>
yes
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>and scripture,</BLOCKQUOTE>
nogive me the verse where He said this, please.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>God cannot be contained within books of
<BR>men.</BLOCKQUOTE>
That is where we find Him, within the pages of His Holy Book, the Bible.
But the men who wrote it wrote what God told them to write, so actually
God wrote the Bible.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>He taught us how to transcend this superficial
world
of form. He taught
<BR>The Way to heaven.</BLOCKQUOTE>
True. Gee, you finally got something right!
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Now, some may become confused here, He did not teach that we should
have faith
<BR>that He was God and that we should hold tightly to this faith as we
sit around
<BR>and wait for His return. He taught The Way for us to return Home,
where
our
<BR>Father anxiously awaits.</BLOCKQUOTE>
true again. See, you can get it right in a few areas. But the wrong you
preach will send MANY souls to hell.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>He taught that what we "think" is more im****tant than what we
"do,"</BLOCKQUOTE>
quote the verses please. Actually, both are im****tant.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>and we
<BR>should purify our thoughts, as our actions always follow our
thoughts.</BLOCKQUOTE>
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>He
<BR>taught us about Love and how God did not create this world of misery
and hate,
<BR>we did.</BLOCKQUOTE>
no. Satan did. Or don't you believe in him? Maybe you ARE him?
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Choose once again.
<P>Every day, every being upon this planet, lifts up to God an offering
of Guilt
<BR>and Remorse. Day after day, century after century, millennium
following
<BR>millennium, five billion souls sing their songs of praise wrapped in
Guilt and
<BR>Remorse. Are these fitting offerings for God, Who knows only Eternal
Joy and
<BR>Thanksgiving?</BLOCKQUOTE>
He doesn't know sin and remorse? Define remorse? Remorse is being truly
sorry for our sin and wrongdoing. Don't you believe God is delighted when
we are truly remorseful?Sure He is. When a mass murder comes to his
senses
and gets right with God, as did Ted Bundy, don't you think God rejoices
with this true remorse?
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Forgiveness is the message that changes guilt and remorse into Joy and
<BR>Thanksgiving, choose once again.</BLOCKQUOTE>
The forgiveness is from God, to be sure. But God can only forgive when
we are remorsefull.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Sinlessness does not come from the blood of
<BR>an unmercifully sacrificed lamb. It comes from a decision, a decision
to return
<BR>to God, to purify our minds, to become Love.</BLOCKQUOTE>
we can never become sinless. Give that one a permanent rest.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>God knows not retribution or punishment or vengeance or wrath.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, really? "Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord.
<P>And I really must stop before this syrup of poison makes me truly
puke.
<BR>Why have you allowed Satan to fill your heart with such corruption?
<BR>prophet_jon
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Justice, for
<BR>God, is our eventual recognition of our sinless Nature and Pureness
of Being as
<BR>living, loving Aspects of the Wholeness of God.</BLOCKQUOTE>
lies! Satanic lies!
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you weirdos ever quit?
We have copies of the Old Testament that date to 1,000 years B.C.
We have copies of the New Testament that date to the 1st Century A.D.
We have golgotha, we have the empty garden tomb.
We have the commentarires of the Apostles and the commentaries of their
disiples.
What do we need with you?
You are a liar, and we know your father, Satan, who has encouraged you to
lie.
I know persoally a dozen men who read Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, the 3
languages
the Bible was written in.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> In article <361d63c1.335492...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> kei...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:00:02 +1300, David' Chariot
> > <beth_marcab...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> <Snip>
>
> The Roman Piso Family Made Christianity (10/11/98)
>
> This family was already in the "religion business" having had many
> ancestors who were High Priests, both under the name of "Piso" on
> the male side of this line, but also through the female side which
> went back through to the Maccabees (see "The Roman Piso Homepage").
>
> There was "trouble" beginning to happen within the Jewish religion from
> the Piso's point of view because the Pharisees and "zealots" began to
> split from the area of religion becoming instead "political." The
followers
> of humanistic persons such as Hillel the Pharisee (a person that
"Jesus"
> was distortedly modeled after in part) were championing the cause of
> ending slavery within the whole Roman empire, something that the rich
> aristocrats and most kings and rulers could not let happen as that
would
> directly have an effect upon their lavish lifestyle. And, they knew
that in
> time, if people were not 'fooled' into believing everything that they
read
> and started to think for themselves, that they would not tolerate being
> ruled over by kings any longer.
>
> So, instead of trying to 'save' what was in their view a "weak"
religion
> (having been 'tainted' by political objectives, instead of 'belief',
wor****p
> and payment of sacrifices), they decided to destroy the "old" religion
and
> start fresh with a new on that would serve several of their objectives.
>
> Though this new religion would not become fully functional within the
> founding member's lifetime it would at least give them a rallying point
in
> which to gather persons together in their war against the Jews, so that
they
> would preserve the institution of slavery and king****p, as well as
assure
> themselves a place in history that no one will ever be able to forget.
In
> their eyes, they saw this as going something "good" because it was, in
time,
> when the truth was found out, going to teach humanity once and for all
that
> such a thing as this could be done if we are not always alert and
strive to
> learn as much as possible about the most im****tant things in life those
that
> deal with our "reality" and our 'concept' of it.
>
> The "Jews" at the point of the destruction of the Temple in the year 70
C.E.
> (Current Era) only consisted of the Pharisees and leaders of the
zealots
> (sicari/ Zachi), who in truth were two branches of the same family
descending
> from Herodian ancestors that trace back to Eleazar Auran of the
Maccabean
> line (the Herodians were a "half-tribe" through their ancestor Eleazar
Auran,
> while the ruling Maccabees were a full or whole tribe). In superficial
> history you are told that the Herodians come from "Idumean" descent,
which is
> true, but not the whole truth. The rest of it can be found in the works
of
> Josephus. And, just as the leaders of the Pharisees and the zealots
were
> related in this way, so also were the Pisos through the female line
(Arrius
> Calpurnius Piso aka Flavius Josephus, descended from Queen Arria the
Elder by
> her daughter Arria the Younger, who was his mother). See "The True
Author****p
> of the New Testament," by Abelard Reuchlin. Available from The Abelard
> Reuchlin Foundation, P.O. Box 5652, Kent, WA 98064 for $5.00. And for
the two
> "Arrias" mentioned above, refer to the works of Tacitus, preferably the
Loeb
> Classical Library edition.
>
> We do not expect to receive much of a positive response to this article
at
> this time for the following reasons. Due to the fact that there are
still
> very few persons who know this specific subject well (a), and that it
> requires much time and research to understand this well (b), as well as
the
> fact that most persons are not familiar with ancient authors (c), and
even if
> they are they may not have access to all of the material that they
would need
> to (d). Furthermore, some knowledge of the ancient languages is not
known by
> most persons and so, they need to read only translated texts that were
most
> likely written by Christians or persons who don't have a clue as to
what was
> really being said, thus choosing some inappropriate words in their
> translations or only ONE word where two or more may be used. Knowing
this
> much is necessary to reveal the 'double-meanings' that were
deliberately
> given as we explain on our web site (we are currently adding a
"Question &
> Answer" section).
>
> So, the purpose of this article is simply as an introduction to this
theory
> to inform persons of it who are indeed interested in getting to the
bottom of
> this and in understanding just under what cir***stances the Christian
> religion came to be and why it has lasted for so long. Because of the
"closed
> environment" (which we will explain further on), there was a 'need' for
a
> "public placebo" and Christianity fit the bill. People needed to
believe in a
> rewarding life after death as their life on earth was made so miserable
by
> those who were using them for all they could get... rulers.
>
> A few examples of the ancient authors hiding facts in Roman history
are:
> Seneca was descended from Cleopatra, but this fact is NEVER stated
directly
> in any Roman history (there IS a reason for them hiding this fact, but
we
> can't go into here), like everything else, this true fact has to be
pieced
> together from bits of info that was deliberately scattered in the
historic
> accounts so as to make sure that it COULD be found, but only with much
> difficulty. Four primary or principle writers of "history" at this
critical
> time writing between 110-140 C.E. (Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, the
Emperor
> Trajan, and Suetonius), who all knew each other, worked together to
make sure
> that critical pieces of info were "scattered" within each of their
works.
> And, they also had at their disposal their own copies of what we call
"The
> Key" do***ent from which to work from. The original Key do***ent was
compiled
> by Arrius C. Piso and Pliny and was the Key from which later Roman
authors
> would work, it was not only an annotated copy of their public works,
but
> their own biographies and biographies of the Caesars as well and
contained
> other sections of information (see our past Newsletters and articles).
Go to
> http://www.widomaker.com/~piso/
>
> Trajan and Pliny were co-authors with Pliny the Younger being the main
writer
> of the two in Pliny's works. Many do not even recognize Trajan as an
author,
> but he did in fact write a good ****tion of the works attributed to
Pliny.
> That all of these authors did in fact know each other and all had
mentioned
> 'Christ' or 'Jesus' in one way or other can be easily found. We have an
> article on the subject or it may be found in a back issue of our
Newsletters.
> That Pliny and Trajan "discuss" what to do about the Christians, is
only
> their way of advertising the religion. Once a person realizes what was
really
> done, they know that Christians were too valuable a commodity to the
Romans
> to throw to the lions, so that was a lie. The Romans MADE Christians,
why
> would they really throw them to the lions? They wouldn't. They might
throw
> JEWS to the lions and CALL them Christians, but every good Christian
was too
> valuable to 'waste'. Perhaps they would do this to Christians who
conversed
> or sympathized with the Jews, or those who helped the Jewish cause in
some
> way. But that was the extent of it. They were always on the lookout for
an
> op****tunity to use rhetoric.
>
> The real fact of the matter was that there was only one long war going
on
> from the time of the Maccabees (c. 40 BCE) up until the Dias****a (end
of the
> war with the Jews) in 135 C.E. However, this was a fact that the Roman
> writers wanted to cover up as well as the fact that the war was raging
over
> the issue of slavery! If the Roman public had known the full true
facts,
> their leaders would not have had the public sup****t that allowed them
to
> raise their armies against the Jews. The new religion (Christianity)
> provided; (a) a position of sup****t for Rome's war against the Jews
> (Pharisees and zealots) by giving reasons for anti-Semitism (because
they
> supposed had 'Jesus' killed in the story, were sons of vipers, etc. See
our
> articles on "Anti-Semitism in the New Testament" and "Slavery and the
New
> Testament). It also gave (b) complacency to the slaves and (c) offered
the
> slaves and lower cl***** the 'reward' of an afterlife (although this
was all
> just a tactical use of rhetoric and a lie).
>
> Why has Christianity lasted for so long? Up until fairly recent times
in
> history virtually the entire known world was ruled over by kings and
other
> rulers who all had a vested interest in preserving and protecting
> Christianity as it kept their subjects placated and the promise of an
> afterlife got them to give up their lives in war and in things that
they, the
> loyal subjects, thought was "good" and right. Because of the "closed
> environment" the whole world that the subjects (the public) knew about
was
> that which was synthe- zied or "made up" for them by their leaders.
That was
> their reality. While at the same time, the Christian religion still had
its
> use to rally the subjects against the remaining Jews... who the rulers
saw as
> a threat because they were witnesses to the falsehood and had preserved
key
> elements in their texts that lends a good deal of proof that
Christianity was
> built upon lies and "double-speak." With the advent of movable type and
the
> print- ing press, kings and rulers began to lose the total control over
all
> that was written that they had enjoyed up until this time. Rulers had
> exercised complete control over what was said by the written word (the
only
> "mass media" at that time) and this was called a "closed environment,"
> because nothing could be said that was not 'approved' of first by the
rulers
> under penalty of death. Since the Jews would write what they dared to,
but
> were still closely watched by authorities wherever they happened to be,
the
> Jews were routinely rounded up and executed. That is how Christianity
lasted
> up to the 1600's, as no one could effectively challenge it or be
critical of
> it.
>
> Though theoretically people had movable type they could not use it they
way
> that they wanted to because of attempts by rulers to keep persons from
having
> "Free Speech." In 1776, when America (the Unity/United States) came
into
> being and granted its citizens the right to "Free Speech," the public
of
> several peoples for the first time were able to start thinking freely
for
> themselves, sharing information and criticisms. This began the great
debates
> on the Christian religion of the mid to late 1800's, giving us also for
the
> first time, critical analysis by scholars of the Gospels (see Bruno
Bauer's
> "Christ and the Caesars," 1877, as far as is known, still only
available in
> the original German). And though critical analysis had been done upon
the
> Gospels and the New Testament in general as early as persons could
think to
> do so without fear of losing their life, even up to our time we do not
have
> scholars who have demonstrated the same kind of critical analysis of
the
> ancient authors of "history." If this had been done at the same time as
that
> of the Gospels, we would really have something today. But the histories
were
> and still are taken as "Gospel" and read literally as if the writers
were
> telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Remember, these
writers
> were the "winners" of the war. We owe it to ourselves to look at them
with
> very critical eyes.
>
> We had great setbacks to progress because of two world wars, as well as
other
> distracting wars and preoccupations. Now, in the present times we have
> tabloid journalism and the need to spend so much of our time working
just to
> pay bills. Most people do not have the time or resources to devote
themselves
> to the kind of study is necessary to understand and familiarize
themselves as
> they need to with ancient history and authors in order to be able to
> contribute something to this theory themselves. Yes, we do call this a
> 'theory' even though we know so much about it. Perhaps someday a copy
of the
> "Key" do***ent will be found and we will no longer call this a theory,
but it
> is fine for now.
>
> So, we offer our research to give a headstart to those who value the
truth.
> Our research is a starting point so that one day this will be talked
about
> openly in public and with friends, and in books and song, with no one
fearing
> reprisals from religious crazed persons or from orders on high. When we
are
> born, we are born to learn reality and to know what is real and what
makes us
> thrive and be the most that we can be in life. It is only later on when
we
> are in the world that ideas of perverted reality are thrust upon us, a
> leftover synthesized reality that we no loner need, want or deserve.
>
> The Roman Piso Homepage
> --
> RP
> //www.widomaker.com/~piso/html/pisohome.html
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
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>
Subject: Re: Problems for the god squad crowd (The Piso Issue)
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wrote:
> Do you weirdos ever quit?
> We have copies of the Old Testament that date to 1,000 years B.C.
Impossible. The NIV claims that the first five books of the Bible were
written
between 1446 BC and 966 BC. Therefore the majority of the OT was clearly
written
after 1,000 yaers BC.
> We have copies of the New Testament that date to the 1st Century A.D.
Again not true. The NT was created out of several different Christian
writings in
the second half og the fourth century.
> We have golgotha, we have the empty garden tomb.
Meaning nothing. An empty tomb could mean the body was never buried, or
was stolen.
>
>
> We have the commentarires of the Apostles and the commentaries of their
disiples.
Again meaningless. You have the commentaries of men. Men with different
agendas,
and different beliefs.
>
>
> What do we need with you?
> You are a liar, and we know your father, Satan, who has encouraged you
to lie.
And you encouraged you to lie? (see above)
> I know persoally a dozen men who read Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, the 3
languages
> the Bible was written in.
And there are hundreds of others with the same knowledge who have
published
commentary that conflict with your beliefs.
>
>
> prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
<SNIP>
From: john <john_weathe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: The Dishonesty and Fraud of Christianity--"God" the MASS
MURDERER?
Date: 1998/10/17
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Libertarius wrote:
> In article <xKVV1.5861$h45.1751...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> "The DataRat" <data...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"the timing of the arrival of Jesus seems arbitrary:
> >why didn't He appear much sooner so as to save
> >many more souls?"
your theology is faulty at best. I suspect it is in fact non-
existent.King David
said, of his dead infant son, "He can't come back to me. I will go to
him."
The Bible also speaks of David, for all his sins, as a man after God's
own
heart.
I have never heard a Bible teacher or preacher express any belief that
David
went anywhere but to Heaven when he died.
The Old Testament standard was righteousness. "The just shall life by
faith."
The New Testament standard is the Righteousness of Jesus Christ, our
mediator.
prophet_jon
> >
> >
> >The salvation offered to Christ is as open to people
> >in the past as it is now or in the future.
> >
> >But, your underlying premises appears to be the
> >mistaken notion that God is obligated to save anyone.
> >Truth is that -if He let us ALL go to hell- the Lord would
> >be perfectly just, and we'd only be getting what we
> >deserve.
> >
> ===>After "God" realized his mistake in creating Man, instead of just
being
> "sorry that he had made man on earth" (Gen. 6:6 NEB), and deciding that
he
> will just wipe the slate clean by sending a Flood ("This race of man
that I
> have created, I will wipe them off the face of the earth--man and
beast,
> reptiles and birds. I am sorry that I ever made them" (v. 7-8), he
could
> have sent his "SON" to be born to a girl of those days and
> save the planet from all that disaster and save himself from becoming a
MASS
> MURDERER!
> OK, so he screwed up and things were not as "good" as he had
> previously declared (Gen. 1:31). Why wipe out every man, woman,
innocent
> child, even millions of UNBORN BABIES?
>
> What LOVE! What POWER! What FORESIGHT! All THIS from an
> "omnipotent", 'omniscient", "all-loving" "CREATOR"?
>
> If we didn't know it was just a STORY, we might actually think
some
> negative thoughts!
>
> Libertarius
> *DON'T CONFUSE FICTION WITH REALITY*
alt.bible.prophecy > Will This World Survive? - View Parsed
From: john <prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Will This World Survive?
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Why are J W watchtower stoolies in a Christian, alt.bible.prophecy group?
This isn't a watchtower group.
go away.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> No other generation has heard so much talk about the end of the world.
Many
> fear that the world will end in a nuclear holocaust. Others think that
> pollution may destroy the world. Still others worry that economic chaos
will
> set m***** of humanity against one another.
>
> Could this world really end? If it did, what would it mean? Has a world
ever
> ended before?
>
> A World Ends-Another Replaces It
> Continued at... http://www.watchtower.org/library/t19/survive.htm
alt.bible.prophecy > Who Really Rules the World? - View Parsed
From: john <prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Who Really Rules the World?
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john 1:1
"The Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God
was
that Word."
Pe****a
john 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, a
glory like
that of the first-born of the Father.
Pe****a
Revelation 22:13
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the
last...
Rev 22:16
"I, Jesus..."
Jesus calls himself the Alpha and Omega, a title reserved for God!
Jesus claims the title of Deity!
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Many people would answer the above question with a single word-God. But
> significantly, nowhere does the Bible say that either Jesus Christ or
his
> Father are the real rulers of this world. On the contrary, Jesus said:
"The
> ruler of this world will be cast out." And he added: "The ruler of the
world
> is coming. And he has no hold on me."-John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11.
As all Christians know, Jesus was referring to Satan.
>
>
> So the ruler of this world is in opposition to Jesus. Who could this
be?
Well, it's not the Watchtower Society!
>
>
> A Clue From World Conditions
>
> Continued at ... http://www.watchtower.org/library/t22/who_rules.htm
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>
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talk.religion.misc > The Dishonesty and Fraud of Christianity--"God" the
MASS
MURDERER? - View Parsed
From: john <profet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: The Dishonesty and Fraud of Christianity--"God" the MASS
MURDERER?
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cute!
"Walksalone", huh?
not with God, I suppose?
got it!
j
Walksalone wrote:
> On or about Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:48:49 -0700 john <prophet_...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Having stopped their contemplations on the mystery of life & uttered
the
> following:
>
> >your 2nd stupid mistake, and you ARE VERY stupid,
> >is that you put man's measure of perfection on God, whom you don't
even begin to
> >understand.
> >Why are you here?
> >Nobody is learning anything from you except what a jerk you are.
> >Go away.
> >Leave the Christian talking to the Christians.
> >Your comments TRULY aren't welcome.
> >(And don't bother to respond to my email. I have blocked you.
> >I don't have time for your B.S.)
> >prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> crawled back out from your rock again? Oh well, yo thanatos, would you
be so
> kind, yes, I know you recognize the , no can't say that, this is
public, ummm,
> individual, but this time, ut him in the crypt, not just the morgue.
Thank
> you. <plonk/flush>
>
> In the end, t'is the old white horse that comes for all of us.
>
> >Libertarius wrote:
> >
> >> In article <xKVV1.5861$h45.1751...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >> "The DataRat" <data...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"the timing of the arrival of Jesus seems arbitrary:
> >> >why didn't He appear much sooner so as to save
> >> >many more souls?"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The salvation offered to Christ is as open to people
> >> >in the past as it is now or in the future.
> >> >
> >> >But, your underlying premises appears to be the
> >> >mistaken notion that God is obligated to save anyone.
> >> >Truth is that -if He let us ALL go to hell- the Lord would
> >> >be perfectly just, and we'd only be getting what we
> >> >deserve.
> >> >
> >> ===>After "God" realized his mistake in creating Man, instead of
just being
> >> "sorry that he had made man on earth" (Gen. 6:6 NEB), and deciding
that he
> >> will just wipe the slate clean by sending a Flood ("This race of man
that I
> >> have created, I will wipe them off the face of the earth--man and
beast,
> >> reptiles and birds. I am sorry that I ever made them" (v. 7-8), he
could
> >> have sent his "SON" to be born to a girl of those days and
> >> save the planet from all that disaster and save himself from
becoming a MASS
> >> MURDERER!
> >> OK, so he screwed up and things were not as "good" as he had
> >> previously declared (Gen. 1:31). Why wipe out every man, woman,
innocent
> >> child, even millions of UNBORN BABIES?
> >>
> >> What LOVE! What POWER! What FORESIGHT! All THIS from an
> >> "omnipotent", 'omniscient", "all-loving" "CREATOR"?
> >>
> >> If we didn't know it was just a STORY, we might actually
think some
> >> negative thoughts!
> >>
> >> Libertarius
> >> *DON'T CONFUSE FICTION WITH REALITY*
> >
> >
>
> A smile is a whisper of a laugh.
> The politically incorrect walksalone at ala net
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>
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I'm new here, and I don't want to step on toes,
but I'd be happy to have the $300.
j
dain_cu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> All,
>
> What percentage should a booker take for booking a private party? I
recently
> did a private show for Funny Business Agency for $300 dollars only to
find
> out the entire budget for the show was $500. That's 40 percent to the
agency
> and seems a little high. Especially since they aren't producing the
show so
> they're not at any risk. What is fair in that situation?
>
> Of course, I was offered the gig for $300, and I took it. So, is it my
fault
> for not asking? Is it kosher to ask what the entire budget is when a
booker
> asks you to do a gig?
>
> I thought an agency was suppose to take 10 or 15 percent. Is that only
when
> an agency represents you personally? Do these tiny (not much money)
gigs
> play by different rules?
>
> At the bottom of the food chain,
>
> Dain
>
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>
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How refre****ng to see someone actually worried about his/her spelling.
And I think you spelled it right.
j
The Voltairian wrote:
> Seems that way, and then some even end up becoming un-funny, like Dan
Akroyd (hope I spelled that
> right).
>
> Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday
> Court(Crt)Jester
> Free-Lance Writer; Comedian/Humourist
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(BeOS)From: jay <jayw...
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Subject: Re: I know why it was quiet,
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Gee, a joke I got that someone else actually admits he didn't.
(That was not a put-down, btw) Just trying to be polite.
S I D S = sudden infant death syndrome, typically strikes children
between (I
believe) 1 day and 1 year old.
So the clothes would not have been worn much.
Get it now? I don't think it's funny, btw. But that's me. I think there
are some
things too sacred to make jokes about. Like Princess Diana's death, for
instance. And I don't believe I've heard any jokes about that yet. Don't
wish
to, either.
j
The Voltairian wrote:
> On 29 Oct 1998 04:24:30 GMT, "Billium" <Bil...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Inspired by our recent posts (Fetal Demise, etc) I wrote and tried
this
> > joke last night:
> >
> > I'm shopping for some stuff for the baby's room, and I find this
store
> > "SIDS Thrift Store".
> > Great prices! And the stuff was hardly used...
> >
> > The crowd went very quiet, but I managed to dig myself out with a bit
of
> > the old "cats and dogs, they sure are different" routine. (Not
really, but
> > I did have to dig...)
> >
> > Billy
>
> I catch pretty Arkane stuff usualy, but that joke, I just don't get.
>
> Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday
> Court(Crt)Jester
> Free-Lance Writer; Comedian/Humourist
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Subject: Re: Adoption and Till Revisited...Part I
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I may inject my 2 cents here (and I will presume I may since this is a
relatively public place for this discussion), when I was in seminary,
this
discussion of the several lineages went approximately thusly, as I
recall.
The reason we have several different lineages was because of whom the
lineages
were written to/for. The jews traced the lineages through the mother. I
forget
at this moment which ones does that. The non-jews (greeks) traced the
lineage
through the father. Tho Joseph wasn't truly Jesus' father, it was
im****tant to
do***ent for those who required it (back then when it was written) that
both
Jesus' earthly parents were of the house of David, tho there were
obviously
differences at several points. So one lineage came through Mary, of the
house
of David. The other lineage came through Joseph of the house of David.
As to any confusion we gentiles may suffer, just ask a Christian jew and
he
will clear it right up. I am, in fact, in contact with a jewish Christian
in
Houston, Texas who traces his ancestry back to the original church at
Jerusalem. I'll ask him about this, but I'll bet money that is what he
will
say. One lineage comes through Mary, the other through Joseph.
you're welcome
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> In a message dated 98-09-15 05:57:58 EDT, you write:
>
> << >My server just picked up this group, so I have had no time to lurk.
I was
> >struck by the name of the group. If this group has been formed to
discuss
> >THE BIBLE, the true and original version, which was written by God
before He
> >even spoke the universe into existence, and verbally transmitted to
holy men
> >of old by the Holy Spirit, now available to us in the English
language in
> >the Authorized King James version of 1675, then there will be very
little to
> >discuss as there are no errors in this great book.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ^ ^
^
symbol that you're putting me to sleep (in case you couldn't figure it
out)
No modern scholar that I have ever enountered believes that the King
James
version of 1675 is infallible. In fact, the King James version contains
some
26,000 counted errors. Just compare it to a 1st C. rendition, that being
the
Pe****a (the only version I know of that dates back to the 1st C.)
Compare it to the NIV, one of the more accurate of the modern
translations.
> Since this book was
> >written by God, who by definition is perfect, He could not have put
any
> >errors in His book when written; and since He has promised to
preserve His
> >word forever no errors could have crept in over the years.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzI don't know any
serious
scholar who even believes that we have an inspired modern translation,
tho we
have quite a few good ones. Only the ignorant claim that the King James
-- or
any other version -- is perfect. What the informed claim is the
infallibility
of the "original autograph" which doesn't even exist anymore.
> >If this group has been formed to point out the errors in the newer
human
> >written, Satan inspired perversions which try to pass themselves off
as
> >bibles then I applaud your efforts. Any expose of these flawed
attempts to
> >fool people into accepting them as the true word of God is long
overdue.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzgo back to grammar
school. Get some education.
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don't know what show these are from. Wish I did.
But I noticed something interesting. I'm a body hair lover.
See in the 1st pic of the set, her unretouched hairy navel?
If her navel is that hairy, guess what else is?
hehehe
j
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> what film or show was this pic from I would love to see it in motion
>
> [Image]
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I'm new here, and I don't want to step on toes,
but I'd be happy to have the $300.
j
dain_cu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> All,
>
> What percentage should a booker take for booking a private party? I
recently
> did a private show for Funny Business Agency for $300 dollars only to
find
> out the entire budget for the show was $500. That's 40 percent to the
agency
> and seems a little high. Especially since they aren't producing the
show so
> they're not at any risk. What is fair in that situation?
>
> Of course, I was offered the gig for $300, and I took it. So, is it my
fault
> for not asking? Is it kosher to ask what the entire budget is when a
booker
> asks you to do a gig?
>
> I thought an agency was suppose to take 10 or 15 percent. Is that only
when
> an agency represents you personally? Do these tiny (not much money)
gigs
> play by different rules?
>
> At the bottom of the food chain,
>
> Dain
From: jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(jay_west)
Subject: thanks, ladies - jmis_109.jpg (0/1)
Date: 1997/07/28
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a debt of gratitude is owed to all these fine ladies who
understand that men have interests like women do.
These ladies realize that we have an emotional/spiritual need to see
gobs of ***** hair and armpit hair.
And these kind ladies have agreed to feed those harmless appetities.
Thanks, ladies!
And follows is my own tribute to hairy ladies:
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Subject: repent! follow the true, living, risen Christ!
Date: 1997/07/17
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The time has come for all you Mormons to open your eyes, your hearts,
your souls, your minds, to the fact that you're being deceived.
God is not mocked!
What you reap, you shall sow!
If we could earn our way into God's kingdom, Jesus would not have had
to die!
Repent! Turn your lives, your hearts, your souls, your sins, over to
the Risen Christ, God in Flesh!
Quit trying to become gods yourselves!
"I, the Lord, Your God, am a Jealous God!"
"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me!"
"I am the Lord your God! Aside from me, there is no other!"
If you are truly interested in where the above verses are found,
I suggest you close the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine, and the Pearl
read the Bible. The book of Revelation tells us that nothing may be
added to the Bible! Not a word, not a verse, not a chapter, cvertainly
not 3 additional books, like the Book of Mormon!
Explain to me, please, somebody, what is missing from the Bible that
we need the Book of Mormon?
The answer is, we don't need the Book of Mormon!
The Bible is totally sufficient for its divine purpose:
The Bible was given to bring us to a saving faith in Christ Jesus.
Once we have come to a saving knowledge of the Christ, we continue
reading the Bible to learn daily lessons on how to live the Christian
life. The Bible is totally sufficient! You can't possibily explain to
me why we need any other "holy books".
Try!
you won't succeed!
The end is at hand!
Turn to Christ, the Only Way, before it's too late!
I predict this world will not exist 10 years from now!
The 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus will probably take place sometime
around the turn of the century!
Praise God!
The signs all point to his emminent return!
BE READY! or BE DOOMED!
j
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Groups: alt.stories.*****c, alt.binaries.pictures.****,
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From: jay <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: XXX-rated sci-fi, fantasy, romance novel
Date: 1997/07/08
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I am an author
I have written an incredibly interesting novel that I am
currently shopping out to several publishers.
However, due to the nature of the book, its xxx-rated ***,
I am convinced that I'm going to have to make major revisions
chopping out most of the xxxrated *** to sell this book
through a main-line publisher.
So here's what I propose to do.
I'm going to offer it here, to you.
I'll even send you a free sample, so's you know I'm not
b.s.ing. First, you can see I know the English language.
Now you email me, ask for the sample.
If you like the sample, you send me an email request for
my novel.
I will tell you where to send your check for $10.
I will then post you the novel when I get your money.
Simple as that.
Bear in mind that the novel is actually book 1 and book 2,
and so you want to plan on actually spending $17.50 to get
both books.
Best of all, you get to preview it free.
please write me today.
jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
you
I promise you you'll enjoy my novel.
everyone who's read even part of it thinks it's wonderful.
also look for my new murder mystery, soon to be available.
thanks again
j
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How refre****ng to see someone actually worried about his/her spelling.
And I think you spelled it right.
j
The Voltairian wrote:
> Seems that way, and then some even end up becoming un-funny, like Dan
Akroyd (hope I spelled that
> right).
>
> Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday
> Court(Crt)Jester
> Free-Lance Writer; Comedian/Humourist
> Vancouver, BC
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ICQ: 9834094.
> The Official Court Jester WebSite...will be offensive to some:
> http://CourtJester.dragonfire.net/
> Politics: http://RidingAssoc.dragonfire.net/
> Guinness: http://RidingAssoc.dragonfire.net/Guinness/
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From: john weatherly <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: DIY messiah kit (jem's) favourite. How to become a messiah
:-)
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for once, I must admit, I'm laughing right along with the atheists on
this one.
Very good, guys.
The difference between Jesus and the phonies, of course, is that the
prophesies He
fulfilled are VERY do***entable.
And He WILL return in the next several years to prove the point once and
for all.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha funny stuff!
j
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> DavidB wrote:
>
> >Sabrina Akins wrote:
> >>
> >> He will return the year 2011.
> >
> >
> >uhh, My-traya, Your-traya, or the tooth fairy?
>
> My bet is on the tooth fairy, at least that has a longer historical
tradition
> than joe 'the home made messiah'.
>
> I hear the new DIY kits (on how to become a messiah on the vaguest
prophecies)
> are now selling for $1.99.
>
> While the professional edition includes:
>
> software and books on how to prove your the messiah over the internet,
>
> mastering the art of double talk,
From: john weatherly <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: DIES DOMINI - A Question for all Catholics.
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Edward Thorne wrote:
> In <35AAC498.2F36C...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dianne Birtley
> <dianne.birt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> >
> >The Bible tells us what day the Sabbath is. First of all, it says
> that we are
> >to keep the 7th day holy. Then it tells us that Jesus was resurrected
> on the
> >first day of the week. We all understand that he was resurrected on
> Sunday.
> >Therefore, the day before must be the Sabbath and the seventh day.
> The
> >Catholics say that Sunday is the first day of the week and the eight
> day. No
> >matter what they say, it is perfectly clear that Saturday is the
> seventh day
> >and the Sabbath.
> >
very good. you get the A for the day.j
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Subject: Re: DIES DOMINI - A Question for all Catholics. Dianne
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You guys spout "church history" but you don't acknowledge that the End of
the Bible,
the Epistles, beginning with Acts, are the history of the 1st Century
church, as set up by Christ, and continued by Paul and the Apostles
(those
whom Jesus had taught the truth "religion"), and those who recorded their
activites, church and otherwise, for those who would be their followers
(first called Christians at Antioch).
again, (I'm really getting tired of spoonfeeding you people and you
ignore
the TRUTH and go about debating mindlessly)
Acts 20:6-7
"But we (Paul and his buddies) sailed from Philippi anfet the Feast of
Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where
we
stayed seven days.(5 days travel time, and 7 days in Troas. Almost 2 full
weeks without any mention of church services, Jewish/gentile or
otherwise)
On the 1st day of the week, we came together to break bread. Paul spoke
to
the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on
talking
until midnight."
wa la. church services on SUNDAY! In the 1st century. Before the end of
the
book of Acts, and certainly before Rome sacked Jerusalem.
Then Paul instructs the church at Corinth: 1 Cor. 16:1-2
"Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian
churches to do:
On the 1st day of every week, each oneof you should set aside a sum of
money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come, no
collections will have to be made."
We learn several things from the 1 Cor 16:1-2 passage.
1. when the money was to be given - Sunday
2. the frequency - Every Sunday, every week.
3. who was to give, "every one of you" (Corinthian believers)
4. the basis of the giving "as I commanded the Galatian church" and "as
you
are able financially"
5. the manner of the giving, (see #4)
In these 2 passages, we see 1. They wor****pped on Sunday. 2. Paul
COMMANDED
Sunday wor****p and giving to the sup****t of the missionaries (Paul and
the
other Apostles who were traveling/preaching/establi****ng churches:
Barnabas, Timothy)
end of discussion.
We don't need to debate "tradition" or "R Catholic " edicts.
Scripture can speak for itself VERY well.
j
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Thorne wrote:
snip
> History about who
> >and when the Sabbath was changed is clear. The Romans changed it after
> >sacking Israel and destroying the Temple.
oh really? where did you read that? on the back of a cracker jack box?
REad
the Scripture above, and learn. You distorter of history. You must be a
7th
day adventist. No concept of systematic theology or church history.j
>
>
> Well, that is flatly contradicted by Acts, wherein Paul is described as
> breaking bread on the sunday.
correct. look it up. or see above.
j
>
>
> > Catholisim wasn't around yet
>
> Sure it was, beginning on 333 AD, Pentecost sunday.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzNO! DON'T READ THE
BIBLE! YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING!
J
>
>
> > so
> >they cant claim the Pope did it. The first century church,peter , paul
> and
> >all others still held the Sabbath as a command from God and taught
> about the
> >Messiah and His Ressurection in the Temple before it was destroyed and
> in
> >the streets and homes after it was destroyed.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzActs 20:6-7
>
>
> Well, of course, member****p in the church was becoming largely gentile
> and so there was little need to worhip on saturday. So, the apostles
> and others continued their practice of celebrating the breaking of the
> bread on sunday.
>
correct.j
> Rome was trying to wipe out
> >any thing that was a resemblence of the Jewish Faith,as the early
> church
> >was, and after 70 A.D. the believers in this new sect of judaism went
> >underground, and continued to hold the Sabbath ,until Catholism
> rearred its
> >ugly head around the fourth century.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzthis idiot MUST be 7th
day adventist.
Acts 20:6-7
>
>
> Actually, even Pliny the YOunger is witness to the Christians gathering
> on the 1st day of the week.
>
> > This is History
correct.
>
>
> Well, really, it is more like fiction.
that's right, you toad. DONT READ THE BIBLE. MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO.why are
you brain dead muffins in here? You aren't interested in the truth!
j
>
>
> > ,but some baby believers in this group will ignore
> >this fact, and cling on to some stupid tradition about Y'shua rising
> on that
> >day. No place in Scripture can this be found,
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzLuke 24:1-4
"On the 1st day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took
the
spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. The found the stone rolled
away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of
the Lord Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in
clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their firght,
the
women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men sid to them,
"Who do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has
risen! Remember how he told you, while he was wstill with you in Galilee:
The Son of Man must be delivred into the hands of sinful men, be
crucified,
and on the third day, be raised again." 3rd day. Let's see.
Friday was the 1st (He had to be in the grave before Saturday (Jewish
Saturday was Friday at dusk), Saturday was the 2nd, ......... mmmmmmmmmmm
that must make Sunday the 3rd day! hmmmmmmmmm either you're wrong and
Jesus
rose the 3rd day, or Jesus and then the angels lied.... I think, rather
than believing your tradition, I'll believe Jesus and the angels.
j
>
>
> "Sacrifice or oblation you wish not, but ears open to obedience you
> gave me"
>
> --Ed
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Thanks for reading this.
I am not a novice, but I'm way over my head here.
I signed onto Att's ISP a few weeks ago. Liked it.
But.
I am cra****ng a lot lately.
ABout 1nc a week for about a month now.
That's okay, as I'm learning to use 98.
However, my prob is that I'm losing my ATT ISP setup.
I have 0nly gotten their setup sw to run about 5 times for about 50-75
times I've not
gotten it to run.
I like the ATT isp, but I can't get on it now.
The install routine keeps locking up/dying.
When I C A D and open the pgm mgr, it says the setup routine is (not
responding)
am I doing something wrong?
any help appreciated.
john
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Gal 1:6
Paul said,
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the One who called you
by the
grace of Christ, and are turning to a different gospel, which is really
no gospel
at all. Evidently, some people are throwing you into confusion and are
tryint to
pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven
should
preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be
eternally
condemned. As we have already said, so now I say again: (it was so
im****tant,
Paul wrote it 2 times in a row) If anybody is preaching to you a gospel
other
than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
And what is the original gospel?
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He sent His only Son, so that whoever
believes
on Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but
that the
world through Him (the Son) might be saved.
j
Mark Lovejoy wrote:
> Mark Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I have written similar statements as you. We are both full of ****;
however
> there is one thing that you lack. You must blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
You
> must believe and accuse the Holy Spirit of deceiving Lord and leading
him to
> the cross. God the Father became the son of man and that allowed Satan
to
> masquerade as God the Holy Spirit. The crowd should have released
Jesus
> because then God would be living with us today.
this is heresy.God=Jesus=Holy Spirit
The TriUnity
j
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Jim Calkins wrote:
> Amen Val!
>
> For those who are pre trib and read this, remember:
> "There is no DIRECT scriptural evidence of more than one coming of
Christ."
I can't give you all the quotes, and I don't need to. Those who are
interested
can look it up. Those who aren't interested won't bother whether I give
you the
quotes or not.
See how that works?
the simple evidence for 2 comings of Christ is plainly this:
We have a multitude of prophesies regarding the coming of Messiah. There
are a
set of prophesies, including Psalm 22, 23, and 24 which describe the
Messiah
dying for the sins of His chosen. There is another set of prophesies that
describe the Messiah coming to reign for a thousand years. We believe
that
these 2 sets of prophesies describe to advents. In the 1st one, He
provides
redemption through His spilt blood. He dies, rises, ascends, and then
returns
to establish His physical/spiritual kingdom on earth.
simple.
and there are definitely a plethora of verses that sup****t this view.
j
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>
>
> Jim
>
> Valerie Southard wrote in message
> <6o0qsi$9na...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > There will be a marriage supper of the Lamb, but it will
> > be after the 7th trumpet sounds and before the bowls of
> > wrath are poured out.
> >
> > Rev. 19:9 (KJV)
> >
> > Verse 2 shows that the whore city has already been judged
> > by this time, thus the tribulation is over before verse 8.
> >
> > Valerie
From: bj <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> atti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(* (Libertarius)) wrote:
>
> >>God wrote parts of the Bible himself when he wrote the ten
> >>commandments on the stone tablets in Sinai. He inspired men to write
> >>the remainder with the aid of his spirit. - 2 Tim.3:16.
>
> >===>It is some MAN that wrote that story about "God" writing on stone
> >tablets with his "finger".
>
> Would a person doubt the historicity of Sennacharib, Julius Caesar or
> Alexander the Great just because one had not met them personally? We
> accept the testimony of other people who wrote about these characters
> on stone, papyrus etc. and, therefore, accept that they were real
> people. If so, why doubt that Moses witnessed the writing of the Ten
> Commandements?
>
> > It is some MAN who expressed, in 2 Tim., the OPINION that some
> >UNSPECIFIED writings, he calls "scripture", were written under the
> >influence of a divine spirit.
in an encyclopedia of Christian thought called Evidence That Demands A
Verdict, some of the greatest minds on the planet, down through the
years,
have said the Divine origin of scripture is evident to anyone with a mind
to
understand.
j
>
>
> > NONE of the WRITERS claim that his book was a direct message
> >channeled from "God". It is simply a generalization by biblicists,
> >based on a FALSE INTERPRETATION of that 2 Tim. passage. "All
scripture"
> >could not possibly refer to the Bible collection as we know it,
because
> >it did not exist at the time 2 Tim. was written.
>
> Revelation begins : "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave
> him....he sent forth his angels and presented it in signs through him
> to his slave John." (Rev.1:1) The men who wrote the Bible received
> from God messages or pictures of purpose that became firmly fixed in
> the circuits of their minds. "For prophecy was at no time brought by
> man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne, along by holy
> spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21; John 20:21,22.
>
> "Suzanne"
> <><><><><>
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another thought:
> > It is some MAN who expressed, in 2 Tim., the OPINION that some
> >UNSPECIFIED writings, he calls "scripture", were written under the
> >influence of a divine spirit.
the people Timothy was writing to knew what "scriptures" Tim was
referring
to when he wrote those words. The jews/Christians were not nearly as
obtuse
as you/ and they were / are not nearly as obtuse as you claim that they
are.
Tell a Jew, the next time you see one, just how dumb you think they are
for
believing the Old Testament is/was Divinely inspired. When you make these
truly stupid, totally non-educated, ill thought out-or not thought out at
all, comments, you don't just slap the Christians and Christ in the face.
You also slap the Jews in the face. You may want to read up on what God
does
to those who don't honor His chosen people, the Jews.j
>
>
> > NONE of the WRITERS claim that his book was a direct message
> >channeled from "God". It is simply a generalization by biblicists,
> >based on a FALSE INTERPRETATION of that 2 Tim. passage. "All
scripture"
> >could not possibly refer to the Bible collection as we know it,
because
> >it did not exist at the time 2 Tim. was written.
>
> Revelation begins : "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave
> him....he sent forth his angels and presented it in signs through him
> to his slave John." (Rev.1:1) The men who wrote the Bible received
> from God messages or pictures of purpose that became firmly fixed in
> the circuits of their minds. "For prophecy was at no time brought by
> man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne, along by holy
> spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21; John 20:21,22.
>
> "Suzanne"
> <><><><><>
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>
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g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> > > kei...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> > > On 3 Jul 1998 02:44:32 GMT, g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > >
> > > >>kei...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>We also know from the NT that Jews according to the flesh are
> > > >>not the real Jews per Romans 2:28-29 which reads; "A man is
> > > >>not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is cir***cision
merely
> > > >>outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly;
> > > >>and cir***cision is cir***cision of the heart, by the Spirit,
not
> > > >>by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but
> > > >>from God."
> > > >>
> > > >>The Pharisees were Jews after the flesh because they were
> > > >>descendents of Abraham, but when the Pharisees claimed to
> > > >>Jesus they were children of Abraham Jesus was not impressed.
> > > >>Jesus made clear to the Pharisees they were not real Jews
> > > >>per John 8:39 which reads; "Abraham is our father," they
> > > >>answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus,
> > > >>"then you would do the things Abraham did."
> > > >>
> > > >>Sincerely, Keith K
> > >
> > >
> > > > As a Jew, myself, I find this misunderstanding of the
mixing
> > > >of the Jewish race, and the Jewish religion Exstreamly time
> > > >consuming and very tiresome. The scripture you quote, is
refering to
> > > >Judaism, when it went by the name of the RACE it originated in.
The
> > > >Pharisees were not real practiceners of the Jewish religion, by
> > > >Jesus' standards, such did not stop them from being Jews by
RACE.
> > > > Jesus' concern was not racial, He kept bringing
Samaritins
> > > >into the mix, as sometimes better than the pure Jews, this to
> > > >clearify His plan, and what He was about. Race wasn't going to
cut
> > > >it, belief was !
> > > >No, by the religious standard, race wasn't the issue. In spite
of
> > > >how you INTERPRET that scripture, it was not saying a Jew is not
a
> > > >Jew unless he, or she, believes a certain way.
> > >
> > > I agree the issue is not one of race, but I vehemently disagree
with
> > > your idea a Jew is not one who believes a certain way. Do you
believe
> > > the bible is the word of God? If you do, then what scriptures do
you
> > > base your above ideas on?
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Keith K
> > >
perhaps we could concede both points. Certainly we cannot ignore the
point made by a fulfilled Jew, i.e, one who at least appears
to follow the Messiah/Christ. However, the point I believe the gentile
is/was trying to make was/is that one must be both a Jew by
race and a Jew by belief. Being a Jew by race and then claiming to be an
atheist by faith will not please God.???
j
> > >>>>Keith,
> > I believe that it is the Word Of God, using men as pens,
inspired within the context of their time. God invented the
> > human mind. Jesus, His Son gave us a command most fail to see as
such. It was Matt. 7:7 " ask and it will be given you
> > SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND knock and it will be opened to you "
> > Our LORD is not going to allow us to learn ANYTHING via SURFACE
reading and going by what others tell you.
> > God wants us to want to know bad enough TO RESEARCH.
> > Now RESEARCH a little HISTORY of the WORD Jew and how it was
used,......
> > AND THEN COME BACK TO ME.
> >
> > Sincerely, Glenn W
> >
> >
> >>>>PS. Note Keith ducked my question, Why do so many INSIST on
interpreting it this way ? By taking this verse out of the
> context of religion (Jew being the name of Judaism, because it was
founded in the Jewish RACE). They can justify a
> mistaken idea that the New Testiment fulfilled entirely the Old
Testiment, and voided its promises to the Jewish race. Niether
> is true. By putting a requirement that a Jew must be a Christain in
order to receive the promises given to them just because
> they were born of Jacob, they void what began to take place in 1948.
Prophecies being fulfilled to the RACE, regardless of
> their beliefs.
> Thank God, they are wrong, and His unfulfilled prophecies were
not voided by the New Testiment, and are being
> fulfilled AS I SPEAK. BECAUSE you can count on God keeping His Word and
not erasing the promises of the New
> Testiment, by setting out to write yet a third testiment. Now you can
be SECURE in that NO MATTER WHAT His Word is
> kept !!!!
>
> Me, Glenn W
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I was once a believer who believed firmly in the Pre-Trib Rapture. I
believe
today that a Rapture may take place (I'm not sure anymore--I'm fairly
convince
it won't), but not Pre-Trib.
I read a book a few years ago, I apologize for not remembering the exact
title. It was to the effect of:
Christians Will Live Through the Tribulation, and How to Prepare For It
by Robert Smith ( I believe) Sorry my memory is faulty here.
At any rate, the author makes a very good point.
If there is a rapture, then 7 years of tribulation, then the 2nd coming,
even
an idiot who can count will know the day of Jesus' return. However, Jesus
told
us NO man would be able to fortell the day or the hour of His Coming
(2nd).
This leaves us with a mid-trib Rapture at best.
A better scenario is a time during which there is an
Armageddon/tribulation.
Somewhere in that period of time (an exact 7 years to the day is
ridiculous --
the 7 years of tribulation/Armageddon must be taken symbolically as is
much of
the Apocryphal scripture--I'm not saying we deny the apocalypse, I'm
saying we
have to understand that a lot of the meaning of the various passages is
deliberaetly hidden from our eyes with symbols.) there is a Rapture if
there's
going to be.
I personally believe that the church will be taken up at the 2nd Coming,
when
Jesus returns to stop total destruction of the world and sets up His
earthly
kingdom. We who are in Him will be taken up to meet Him in the air as He
comes
to claim His own (church and earth). As we join His incoming forces,
He/we
conquer the earth together and assume command over all, as He sets up His
earthly kingdom putting His Saints (we believers) in charge of running
the
world.
He will place believers in control of everything worthy of
keeping--business/government/computers, etc. We will find a sufficient
number
of true believers to accomplish all necessary tasks on this world.
j
Michael R. Anderson wrote:
> Thunder Road wrote:
> >
> > One can find a verse in the Bible to sup****t anything that one wants
to
> > believe. I have been a believer for 38 years. I have heard the
> > scriptures backing the rapture and I have heard the scriptures
backing
> > the church going through the tribulation. Christ is coming for a
church
> > without spot or blemish. I really cannot believe that the church
today
> > fits that description. We attack and slander one another, because we
> > don't agree on doctrine. What an insult to the spirit of the Lord!
I
> > spent years believing in the rapture out of fear of what I read and
was
> > told of the tribulation. The church today is materialistic,
judgmental
> > and harsh. If Jesus returned today in the flesh, I doubt that most
> > churches would recognize him, because he would not fit the mold. I
> > believe today that Revelation is a mystery as the Bible says and that
> > the church will most likely go through a baptism of fire or refining.
> > The seven years of refining or "tribulation" will definitely separate
> > the sheep from the goats. If you want to think that the church in
this
> > day and time will be ready to meet the Bridegroom without that fire
to
> > refine, then read again...
>
> Hi there,
>
> I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. That's what all these books
> say is going to happen.
>
> PROPHECY:
>
> Beginning of the End: The assasination of Yitzhak Rabin and the coming
> antichrist. (1996) John Hagee. Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nashville, TN.
> 0-7852-7370-0
>
> Day of Deception: Separating truth form falsehood in these last days.
> (1997) John Hagee. Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nashville, TN. ISBN:
> 0-7852-7573-8
>
> Final Dawn Over Jerusalem: The world’s future hangs in the balance with
> the battle for the holy city. (1998) John Hagee. Thomas Nelson
> Publishers: Nashville, TN. ISBN: 0-7852-7083-3
>
> A Cup of Trembling: Jerusalem and Bible Prophecy. (1995) Dave Hunt.
> Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, OR. ISBN: 1-56507-334-7
>
> The Master Plan: Making sense of the controversies surrounding Bible
> prophecy today. (1993) David Reagan. Harvest House Publishers: Eugene,
> OR. ISBN: 1-56507-074-7
>
> The King Is Coming: A compelling Biblical study of the last days.
(1991)
> H.L. Willmington. Tyndale House Publishers: Wheaton, IL. ISBN:
> 0-8423-2078-4
>
> The Late Great Planet Earth / Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth:
> The greatest works of Hal Lindsey. (1994) Hal Lindsey. Inspirational
> Press, NY. ISBN 0-88486-104-X. Note: Previously published in separate
> volumes: “The Late Great Planet Earth” (1970), and “Satan is Alive and
> Well on Planet Earth” (1972), both by Zondervan Publi****ng House.
>
> The Final Battle. (1995) Hal Lindsey. Western Front Publi****ng Ltd.:
> Palos Verdes, CA. ISBN: 0-9641058-2-9
>
> Apocalypse Code. (1997) Hal Lindsey. Western Front Publi****ng Ltd.:
> Palos Verdes, CA. ISBN:1-888848-21-9
>
> 2001: On the Edge of Eternity. (1996) Dr. Jack Van Impe. Word
> Publi****ng: Dallas, TX. ISBN: 0-8499-3891-0
>
> Foreshocks of AntiChrist. (1997) William T. James, General Editor.
> Harvest House Publi****ng: Eugene, OR. ISBN: 1-56507-585-4
>
> Project L.U.C.I.D.: The beast 666 universal human control system.
(1996)
> Texe Marrs. Living Truth Publishers: Austin, TX. ISBN: 1-884302-02-5
>
> God bless you,
> MRA.
From: bj <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike
God Bless you, (I'll presume for the moment to call you 'bro')
I reacted to this blasphemer in anger, which is my right.
You reacted in love, which is your right.
Tho I will not appologize for my righteous anger,
You took the other path, and now this person (I'm being generous) has
seen
both sides of God.
Good for you for showing him God's love while I was only able to show him
God's wrath.
I believe both are genuine, appropriate responses.
But I am unable to show God's love when... I believe you know the rest.
I've known a few with your Spirit.
Bless you, bro'.
j
john_se...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
( got this address just for this n.g.)
T. Micheal Russell wrote:
> My friend, your anger and your passion burn deeply. Care to share what
> gave rise to it? You stated "your crimes of doing nothing". Have you
> given Him this anger and this passion? If not give it a go. Give it
your
> best shot and then be still. A stranger to anger and passion He is
not.
> You are not the first to shake your fist and you won't be the last.
>
> Know this tho, that when you come here you are only coming to those
that
> hope to be His messangers and servants. You can stand before Him
> yourself. You don't need a third party intervention. But you should
know
> this. Your nick gives away a certain knowledge of scripture.
>
> Look again to Him. Look again to His word. He has not forgotten not
> forsaken you. It may well be that you haven't shown the patience to
Him
> that he shows to you, and your passion may be keeping you from sitting
> still in your own prayer closet.
>
> From the heart, petition Him.
>
> His touch, His peace, His love be on you. In His precious name.
>
> Mike
>
> http://members.xoom.com/MiRea/index.htm
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Hey, Mike.
Don't hold back, bud, let him have it.
hahaha
You just hit this s o b with the left.
now give him the right.
let God love him.
I can't.
j
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Edward Johnson Smith wrote:
> Left Hand Path wrote in message <35A3EF1E....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> >Yaweh, you dirty rat bastard, you are in for one hell of a beating
when
> >you return. You're nothing but a goddamn dirty scoundrel and you will
> >pay for your crimes of doing nothing.
> >
> >Heretic
> You should pay for your crimes of being a retard. By the way,
thats not
> the proper spelling, try YWHW, if you want to be technical. At least
sound
> educated, as you make an ass of yourself to everyone else.
>
> Mike
From: bj <jayw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Hell Awaits
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IN case the rest of the NG didn't get the reference,
this nut is claiming to be Satan.
j
Left Hand Path wrote:
> I have reserved my place in hell where I will spend an eternity with
Lord
> Sathanas and without the presence of the bastard whoregod. There, I
will
> spend all eternity blaspheming and cursing jehovah's vile name, all the
> while burning with an unlimited amount of hatred for the whoregod, the
> crucified messiah, and all the filthy christian souls. AVE SATHANAS!
> Jesus, I demand that I be the first one cast into the lake of fire when
> you return!
>
> Heretic
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> There are no absolute values.
I believe that if you read C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity, this myth will
once and for all be put to rest. Dr. Lewis takes you through about 5 (I
havn't read it lately, so I'm describing this from memory) chapters of
very basic logic to prove (very easily, I might add) that there is at
least a definite possibility that God exists..Even the most hardened
atheist owes it to himself to attempt to take Dr. Lewis on in this
regard.
At any rate, one of the proofs Dr. Lewis makes for absolutes is that,
indeed, they do exist. He points out, that if you look at cultures all
over the planet, you find certain basic values in all. the one I remember
is that in all cultures, it is wrong for a man to desert his post in
battle. That is what Dr. Lewis calls an absolute. Virtually no culture on
the planet accepts the actions of a man, who, in the thick of the battle,
jumps up and runs away.
This is cowardice no matter what name you call it, or what color you
paint
it.
So whatever they be, there ARE absolutes. I believe he probably points
out
that you may not, just for the hell of it, walk up to your neighbor's
door, wait until he opens it in response to your knock, and shoot him to
death for no reason other than that you were testing to see if your new
pistol works. That would be wrong no matter what culture you live in.
It's
called murder, and that's an absolute.
j
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> You can only call it consensual values.
> It is people who claim to have the absolute truth, who have
> perpetrated the grossest violation of human rights throughout history.
> *****************************************************
> "The Age of Paine" by Jon Katz
> http://www.wired.com/wired/3.05/features/paine.html
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