Remember, much of Revelation is symbolism. Some is explained. Some is
"wait and
see".
prophet_jon
AngelzKaos wrote:
> how can you be sure the text from revelation ch 11 was not to be taken
literal?
alt.bible.prophecy > HOW THE IRS CONTROLS CHRISTIAN CHURCHES - View
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sounds like you have a lawsuit worthy of taking to the
United States Supreme Court.
prophet_jon
Ralph Wiggum wrote:
> How the IRS Controls Churches
>
> "Mr. Marrs, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is exploring whether
> Living Truth Ministries has violated its 501(c)3 tax exempt status."
> Those were the words of the IRS agent conducting an
> examination of our ministry's "philosophy and viewpoints" which began
> some nine months ago. The agent said that we may have violated IRS
> policies by making disparaging remarks about faith groups and cults
that
> oppose Christianity. We may also be subjected to penalties and fines
> because we have exposed the "Catholic Pope, the United Nations, the
> Masonic Order, the Skull and Bones Society, the Illuminati," and other
> organizations deemed worthy by the IRS. The IRS also found
objectionable
> our stand against the ***ual immorality and pro-abortion views of
> President Bill Clinton.
> The IRS warned us that Christian churches and
> ministries that identify "threats to Christianity" may be at risk of
> violating IRS guidelines. We were even told that if anything we publish
> does not appear reasonable to the IRS we can be punished.
> I have enclosed a list of 35 things the IRS contends
> are prohibited conduct for tax exempt Christian churches and
ministries.
> Do you agree with me that the IRS and the federal thought police have
> gone horribly off the deep-end in dictating what Bible-believing
> preachers and Christians can and cannot preach or discuss? Whatever
> happened to freedom of religion and freedom of speech?
> Please pray with us that the IRS and the enemies of
> Christ will fail in their blatant attempt to silence the true Church of
> the Living God and our Savior, Jesus Christ.
> --Texe Marrs
>
> Are you a unique thinker? If so maybe you should ask to subscribe to
the
> free-thinkers mail group (moderated) @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Remember "think for yourself stupid"
alt.bible.prophecy > Should we be afraid when we enter the new
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I think that a certain amount of uncertainty will make ANY of us at least
a
little fearful.
At least on the human level. But remember who's in ultimate control, and
that
should give you some peace.
Peace.
prophet_jon
Richard Bovens wrote:
> Hello, I'm new to this newsgroup. I have got a few questions: Should we
be
> afraid when we enter the new millennium? Should we be afraid for
something
> that is going to happen? Or is it all just crap what I hear about that?
Who
> could answer these questions?
>
> Thank you.
alt.bible.prophecy > God is a reality, not a belief - View Parsed
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I think I know at least partially where you are coming from with this,
and what
you are trying to say.
However, I must take exception to a few things you have said.
Amédée wrote:
> Question :
> You talked about believing and not believing as being both signs of
> ignorance,
> can you explain it ?
>
> To believe means : to consider an hypothesis as real.
> Belief by definition is not certainty.
I think we can safely say that we believe in God because He has proven
Himself
beyond any doubt or question.The Bible is the living record of that
proof/those
proofs.
> It's a conviction based on various factors : prejudice, conditioning,
> intuition
> When you experience something, you don't say that you believe in it,
you
> speak about the experience you have of this thing.
You are now speaking of "experiential faith". Which is fine as far as it
goes.
But what happens when I don't have the sameexperience of God you have
had? Does
that mean that I can't or won't or shouldn't beleive?
No. I don't have to have had the experience Paul had in being knocked off
his
horse and seeing a vision of the Resurrected Christ to beleive in Paul's
trustworthiness, and thus share his vision of the Resurrected Christ.
To reject belief without experience is to be very foolish.
Just because I have not personally experienced shaking Bill Clinton's
hand does
not meant that I should not or must not believe he is the President.
> For example, you don't say I believe in sun. You would find absurd to
be
> asked the question. On the other hand, you can talk about the
experience
> you have of it.
But if you were asked, "Do you think the sun will come up in the
morning?" you
can speak both from experience and from faith.You have no real way of
knowing
that the sun will come up in the morning. The Lord could surprise us all
and
everything we know could cease to exist in the middle of the night. You
CAN,
however, speak from experience and say, "I BELIEVE it will come up in the
morning, yes."
Your experience gives you belief, but the belief can go FAR beyond your
experience. I never saw or experienced Jesus walking on water or raising
the
dead. Yet, because of what I know about Him and His followers, I beleive
these
things have happened.
> If you like the mountain, and that somebody asks you in earnest if you
> believe in the existence of the mountains, you will assume that this
person
> lives in a far away place
> But again you will be able to talk to this person about your experience
of
> the mountain.
>
> Belief is a supposition, knowledge is an experience.
> And God is far beyond supposition !
Yet He calls upon us to believe!"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and
you
shall be saved!"
>
>
> Many people cling to their beliefs thinking they are the requisite for
a
> truth seeker. They are mistaken.
Belief is a vital part of salvation.
> The right attitude is to seek to know, and not to adhere to a dogma, a
> belief.
Both are ok.
> Even if your beliefs are founded, if they're not the fruit of your own
> experience, they mislead you.
okay. To a point. But I would not reject all dogma only because I have
not
experienced. Do you reject the virgin birth because your experience tells
you
it is not possible for this to happen? Do you reject the Resurrection
because
you know people just simply do not come back from the dead?No.
We need both to be Christians. Without the virgin birth, there is no
Christianity, because there is no perfect lamb. Without the Resurrection,
there
is no life beyond the grave.
> It's as if you were talking all the time of the pleasure afforded by
orgasm
> even though you have never experienced it. You will end in convince
> yourself that it is the fruit of your experience, and you won't try to
> discover it by yourself any more.
> But if one day you live this experience of love, then you will realize
it
> has nothing to do with what you imagined, what you believed.
> The reason is simple.
> It is from your beliefs that your mind creates their objet.
> Imagination rests on your real-life experience in this world.
> But imagination can't reveal what doesn't stem from a past or present
> experience.
correct.
> If you've heard about mystical experience samadhi you will
imagine it
> from your own experience.
> But if one day you succeed in entering samadhi, you will understand how
far
> your idea of this experience was from reality.
> God can't be the fruit of our imagination. God can only be revealed to
man
> by Christ within each of us.
>
> That is better to say :
> I am convinced that God exists but I don't know, because I didn't
have
> the experience.
> Or :
> I am convinced that God doesn't exist, but I don't know because there
is
> no evidence to prove it.
>
> Don't forget that the most fervent believers were the ones who judged
and
> crucified Jesus-Christ !
don't believe this for a minute. The most fervent believers were those
who
followed Christ.Jesus told those who rejected him that they were phonies,
and
their "faith", their "religion" was empty.
They didn't believe in God. They were faking it. They were "religious'
because
they had found a way to make money at it. They were religious because
their
form of "religion" gave them power.
>
>
> Don't forget that in the name of their sacrosanct belief and with a
hand on
> the Bible, they killed in an abominable manner the One they were
supposed
> to welcome.
Don't exaggerate! I don't see ANYWHERE in scripture that it says that
anyone
murdered an Apostle or that anyone helped to crucify Christ with their
hand on
the Bible.
>
>
> Don't forget that in the name of religious beliefs Man committed the
> greatest number of atrocities !
That is a totally unfounded statement. Name for me, please, the religion
that
this statement applies to.You can't! It is a patently false statement.
Did you know that Stalin murdered more people than Hitler did?
Hitler re****tedly murdered 6 - 8 million jews/Christians/sympathizers.
Stalin murdered more like 20 million.
Did you know that Mao Tse Tung murdered more than Hitler and Stalin both
put
together? Conservative estimates of those Mao murdered run into the
hundreds of
millions.
And none of these men claimed to be religious.
>
>
> And why is it so ? Because belief makes you blind, deaf and stubborn.
no. Belief in the wrong thing, like communism, or fascism, is dangerous.
Not
belief in Christ.
> If these right-thinking believers had had the courage to seek truth in
> their heart rather than in their book...
right thinking? You mix apples and oranges. You just said they were
blind,
deaf, and stubborn. Make up your mind.
> If these right-thinking believers had been more attentive to cast the
first
> stone to themselves and to be their own judge before God, then they
would
> certainly have acknowledged that Jesus was the Son, the Messiah.
> But blinded by their own beliefs and bound by puerile and stupid
dogmas,
> they murdered the One whom coming they were preaching.
No! The men who murdered Jesus weren't those who were preaching about His
coming.
>
>
> I tell you, if these believers had done their own way of the cross,
then,
> even if they had dealt with a blasphemer, they wouldn't have judged him
nor
> condemned him.
False! It was the Good Jews who were judging the blasphemers. That was/is
entirely scriptural. The Bible said (OT) that anyone who was guilty of
blasphemy or false prophesy was guilty "unto death", meaning he had
received
the death sentence.
And I think at this point that I am going to call you a false teacher
until you
redeem yourself with some correct teaching.
You have strayed FAR from the truth here.
> For all the people who commune with God intimately know that we have no
> right of doing this.
false. IT is totally scriptural to judge a man by the Word of God and
find him
wanting and pass sentence.This is one of the things we are to do, and I
have
just done it to you.
You are a false teacher.
>
>
> Yes, you have to know it clearly, believing in God is not knowing God.
>
> And knowing God, living in God is not a belief, it's a communion.
>
> There is no hypothesis and no belief in this, just a reality to live in
you
> everyday life.
>
> It's for you to chose.
>
> Your friend,
you're no friend of mine.And this person to whom you wrote need to know
that
you're teaching false doctrine. I pray he/she reads my rebuttal.
prophet_jon
>
>
> Amédée
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So, are you saying that, since Christmas isn't in the Bible, we must not
celebrate the birth of our Lord?
Are you saying, then, that since Easter isn't in the Bible, we must not
celebrate His Resurrection?
Nonsense!
I can't find the word "Christmas" in the Bible, but I can find the event
that we call Christmas.
I can't find the word "Easter" in the Bible, either, but I can find the
event that we call Easter.
Likewise, tho I can't find "trinity" in the Bible, I DO find the
teachings that
there are 3 beings called God in the Bible. There is God the Father,
there is God the Son, and there is God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Himself endorsed the notion of the Holy Three when He said, during
His pronouncement of the Great Commission,
"Go, therefore, and convert all nations; and baptize them in the name of
the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Matt 28:19 Pe****a Translation (Coptic Bible)
To use all 3 names in the same sentence, one right after the other, was
clearly Jesus' endorsement of the 3 names as equal.
Michael G. Morrell-Norwood wrote:
> Actually the word "Trinity" is UnScriptural (as is its
> actual idea). If its not in the Bible, don't use it.
> If you have added it to the Bible, then there is a problem.
I don't beleive I have EVER heard an educated person say the word
"trinity" is in the Bible. But the concept/teaching certainly is.There
are 3 beings mentioned who are all 3 referred to as God or at least they
are all given Godly attributes.
What is the problem with you people over a teaching that is so VERY
clear?
We even see the Spirit of God involved in Creation in Genesis 1:2
And we see Jesus involved in Creation in John 1
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus). The Word was WITH God, and the
Word WAS God.
And the Word became FLESH, and dwelt among us, the only begotten of the
FATHER.
Clear teaching of the 3 Eternal Deity Beings in Old Testament and New.
>
>
> The best way to learn about the Bible, is to read the Bible.
> An easy way to read the Bible is on our Web Site.
>
if this person is teaching that the Trinity is unscriptural, then I
recommend that all true seekers stay away from his web site.
> http://www.tiac.net/users/morrell
>
> There is one God - The father out of whom are all things
> and one lord Jesus Christ, for whom are all things.
And who is the Lord Jesus, if not God in Flesh? Wake up, man!Does not
the Bible say that we can't call any one "Lord" but God?
>
>
> There is one God and there is one mediator BETWEEN God
> AND men - the man Jesus Christ.
Are you saying that "the man Jesus Christ" was/is NOT God?Then you are a
heretic!
prophet_jon
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Good grief!
I have been to your web site.
Even there, you tell us about God's Spirit
and about
His Son
God
God's Spirit
God's Son
I count 3 whom you call God!
If those 3 don't comprise a "Trinity", then what do you call the 3?
prophet_jon
Michael G. Morrell-Norwood wrote:
> Actually the word "Trinity" is UnScriptural (as is its
> actual idea). If its not in the Bible, don't use it.
> If you have added it to the Bible, then there is a problem.
>
> The best way to learn about the Bible, is to read the Bible.
> An easy way to read the Bible is on our Web Site.
>
> http://www.tiac.net/users/morrell
>
> There is one God - The father out of whom are all things
> and one lord Jesus Christ, for whom are all things.
>
> There is one God and there is one mediator BETWEEN God
> AND men - the man Jesus Christ.
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mark dula wrote:
> John I also am a new user at least to news groups . But let me say
> knock and it shall be opened seek and ye shall find ! that should work
> in news groups also .
> God bless ps news groups are like eating fish you have to
> pick out the bones and keep the meat
"Meat"?I thought you said "fish"! Make up your mind!
:-))
prophet_jon
>
>
> Mark Dula
>
> Stony Point NC
>
> USA
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thanks for bringing this to the attention of the group.
Of course, I don't believe that educated beleivers have EVER been fooled
by the
"fall and collapse" of the USSR, since this is where the final battle
between God
and Satan takes place.
prophet_jon
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wrote:
> David,
>
> I heard Henry Gruver speak a while back and felt I had to clear a few
things
> up. I paid the $7, by the way, to a group of locals in New Orleans who
had
> rented out the hotel conference room. I don't believe they profited
much, if
> any, nor was such their intent. Henry Gruver was their guest speaker
that
> month. The group regulary listened to The Prophecy Club radio
broadcasts.
>
> In article <vXTK1.271$tM4.1039...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> "David Mathews" <dmath...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Jim,
> >
> > God has given me the knowledge and insight which is common to all
humans,
> > and the responsibility to examine and test the truth of teachings,
> > revelations and opinions.
>
> Yes, we must test the spirits . . by searching the scriptures. And
regarding
> the teachings of man, we must first hear them [Proverbs 18:13].
>
> >
> > While any one of us may imagine some terrible event happening in the
future,
> > those who claim that their imagination is a revelation of God and
therefore
> > worthy of attention are deceiving people and creating needless fears.
Henry
> > Gruver is profiting from his message of doom and danger and
exploiting the
> > trusts of his listeners.
>
> No, I am happy to re****t that Henry Gruver does not profit one dime
from his
> messages. Nor does he require his hosts to guarantee his travel
expenses.
> His tapes are FREE for the asking. I found him to be a most humble
man.
>
> Henry Gruver
> 601 Walker
> Woodbine, IA 51579
>
> (712) 647-3104
>
> > There is little cause to fear a full-scale nuclear war with the
Soviets,
> > because the Soviet Union no longer exist. There is no reason to fear
a
> > full-scale nuclear war with the Russians, because they would not
profit from
> > a nuclear war, and their military is not capable presently of
successfully
> > engaging in war. There is no cause for fear whatsoever.
>
> I urge you to get Henry Gruver's two-tape set on The Russian Invasion
of
> America { it's free!! }. There is much more to the story than a mere
vision
> which we know are not always given by God. SAC commanders in Omaha
were very
> interested in the vision and confirmed the high plausibility of what
would at
> first seem to be a rather far-fetched scenario. From the vision,
Gruver
> described a very high-ranking Russian General who SAC suggested to be
be
> Aleksander Lebed, whom Gruver positively identified from photos. The
vision
> was in 1986, mind you, when Lebed was relatively unknown.
>
> The point here is that not only our highly respected Strategic Air
Command,
> but more specifically, members of the elite Looking Glass Fleet,
interviewed
> Henry Gruver at length and were amazed with the detailed accuracy of
the
> vision. I think everyone reading this should take heed as well.
>
> Also, on the feasibility of Russia planning to strike the USA, you
might see
> Jeff Nyquist's site at: http://www.northcoast.com/~jnyquist/
>
> > Have no fear of a false prophet (Dueteronomy 18:20-22).
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David Mathews
>
> Henry Gruver makes neither claim nor pretense about being a prophet. I
think
> you should easily discern his calm spirit by hearing the tapes or
perchance
> speaking to him by phone.
>
> En agape,
>
> Zach Anderson [ z...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
]
> http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/1157/
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I have to wonder why the question regarding the Holy Trinity even came up
in a
alt.bible.prophecy news group.
Those who are discussing the concept of bible prophecy should be
believers to
begin with.
There should be no difference of opinion amongst believers in Christ
regarding
the truth of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
We find God's Spirit in Genesis 1:2
He is involved in the Creation.
We find God's Son in John chapter 1. He is involved in the Creation.
We see all three, God, The Holy Spirit, and The Son, all involved in
Creation.
In Revelation, we find in Chapter 22,
verse 12,
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to
everyone
according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and
the Last,
the Beginning and the End."
Is there any doubt in anybody's mind who "the Alpha and Omega, the First
and the
Last, the Beginning and the End" is referring to?
Of course not. These are all titles for God.
But look at verse 16
The same person is speaking. God.
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the
churches. I am
the Root and the Offspring of David."
Colossians 2:9
"For in Christ all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Jesus, the Son, is God in flesh.
Anyone who denies that Jesus is God in flesh is anti-Christ.
end of discussion.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike wrote:
> M.J. Lawrence wrote in message <361E8638.1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> >Michael G. Morrell-Norwood wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually the word "Trinity" is UnScriptural (as is its
> >> actual idea). If its not in the Bible, don't use it.
> >> If you have added it to the Bible, then there is a problem.
> >
> >Amen to that. Why do so many members of this group appear so
convinced
> >that they understand the prophecies in the Bible, when they err so
> >clearly in believing a man-made concept?
The word "trinity" may be one man coined, but the term refers to the fact
that
God exists in 3 holy persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All 3 are
identified
as God in scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.And why are we having
this
discussion?
You who would deny the Holy 3 persons of the Trinity are great pretenders
if you
are claiming to be "Christians".
prophet_jon
>
>
> I'll use this post to reply to both messages. There is Bible study that
is
> on our website in the "Essentials of the Christian Faith" series
entitled
> "The Trinity". People who really want to know if the concept which the
word
> "Trinity" describes is biblical or not should check it out.
I have been to this website. It is an anti-Christ website. There is no
truth
there.Just because they quote parts of the Bible does not mean they are
Christians.
I remind all true believers that Satan can quote scripture with the best.
>
>
> To argue that the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible is one of the
weakest
> arguments against the doctrine.
true.
> Do you excuse the sin of homo***uality?
> Those who do use the exact same argument to say that that word doesn't
> belong in 1 Corinthians 6 because the word wasn't "invented" until the
> 1800's. If you want to be real sticklers about it there isn't a word
that is
> in the English Bible that is in the "Bible" since the original
manuscripts
> are in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek.
>
> In Christ,
>
> Rev. Mike Bugal
> Heartland Chapel Ministries
good for you, Mikeprophet_jon
> http://www.mindspring.com/~revmikeb/
> ICQ#3839265
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I ever find you, "Dr.Dan"
I will sue you for libel and character assasination.
If I wanted people on the internet to know who I am
I am QUITE capable of telling them myself.
And what do you gain from snooping around, prying into people's private
lives?
Who I am is none of your business,
Who I am is nobody's business unless I choose to tell people who I am
myself.
What I do on the internet is nobody's business.
And what you have done here is illegal.
If I can find you, I will have your ISP cancel you.
You son of a *****.
(these last words, by the way, are right out of the Bible, so don't
anyone be offended)
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this is heresy.
The bible is the final authority in all matters.
Mr. McLean needs to go back and read it.
Nowhere does the Bible say its words are only for the past.
Since not even all the prophesies in its pages have yet been fulfilled,
how can he say it is not pertinent for today?
Paul told us to test every wind of doctrine by its truths.
Paul said, "If anyone comes and tells/teaches you ANYTHING other than
what we
have already taught you, he is anti-Christ."
Galatians 1:6-9
This passage means that Mr. Michael McLean is anti-Christ.
beware, believers, he does not speak the truth!
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McLean wrote:
> There is endless wrestling over doctrine and ideology. Like a
competition
> on the decks of the Titanic, scriptural quotations are cast back and
forth
> akin to playing quoits on the top deck. Who really seeks to know His
will?
> Instead His Word is used to prop up moral human judgements.
>
> If there was more understanding present in these newsgroups it would be
> known that the Bible is a letter; a letter written on paper. To a
new
> creature the Bible is a remnant. The written Word maybe contained in
the
> Bible but if you have truly embraced the newness of life spoken of by
Jesus,
> the letter version is no longer your guide. Because now, it is written
in
> the flesh of the human heart (this is not too hard to understand).
> Therefore, the need to reach for a Bible for guidance is a thing of the
past
> because the Holy Spirit now leads in the love of God, in all things.
If
> this is not the case with you, then I am sorry, your old nature is yet
to
> pass away. You cannot be new and old at the same time.
>
> Tell me, if you were hiding behind a rock and you see a man placing his
son
> on an altar in sacrifice, would you run straightway to tell what
cruelty you
> had seen. If you had, the man making the sacrifice would be ostracised
in
> the community for his cruelty. It looked cruel when Abraham was
offering up
> his son to the Lord but the Lord accounted this act to him as
righteousness.
> The point is, how can intellect or what you see with your physical eyes
> guide you?
>
> Gods will does not conform to the minds ideals. The Spirit is
nothing
> like what is imagined in the uncleansed mind because the mind views
only
> earthly things and is at odds with God. It is with the heart that men
and
> women and children believe unto righteousness.
>
> Either the Lords will is known in the heart in all a persons
steps in
> life or it is not. If not, then make no mistake, such a person is
running
> his or her own show. And if they are running their own show, what
business
> have they got in calling Him Lord.
>
> What manner of calling has a person got advising others if that person
is
> not sure whether they are everything inside the Lord wants them to
be.
> This must be attained first, and then you will not do a disservice to
your
> neighbour. Just because it is said it is impossible to be perfect, don
t
> believe it. Believe Him, He says all things are possible.
>
> Here is the bottom line: Would you like someone in your life who says
they
> love you yet are only partly interested in you, or makes an effort to
know
> you only some of the time? Well ...neither does He. He requires your
total
> affection just as much as you require it from those around you...all
the
> time (whether you know it or not).
>
> So make every effort to find the will of God in ALL the things you do.
If
> He sees your intent is true He will do the rest. However, IF IT IS NOT
> GOING TO BE WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH then dont waste *your* time or
*His*; go
> and make money or something. But if you are interested, be fervent,
full of
> zeal and seek Him with *all your heart*, and you will come to know
things
> about Him and this world which are truly astoni****ng.
>
> It is not so much about, what is right or wrong, but rather about His
> nature, seek to know this.
>
> If you have heard what has been said then it will go well for you.
>
> Michael
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I did not get the chance to read this entire epistle.
But so far, having read 90 % of it, I can only say, this woman seems to
have a
gift.
Read further, someone. Read it all.
tell me what you think.
I'll get back to you when I've had a chance to finish reading it.
But looks to me like we have a prophetess in our midst, ladies and
gentlemen.
If this is as it appears so far, welcome aboard, Prophetess May!
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Just think of me as "Grandma May" -
>
> Read all of this posting. Save it and make it the first thing you will
read
> again when you have more time to think. It IS im****tant to you.
>
> Is it possible for Christians to be "antiChrist? Maybe. Either I was
not
> saved, or I was just plain ignorant of what the scriptures teach.
Maybe
> both. My stand on prophecy was like most Christian's.
>
> There is a penalty for changing truth. There IS a penalty. Nowhere
has
> God given us the idea that it is not a serious offense to deliver His
words
> falsely. On the contrary, He warned against it.
>
> "Denial" does not occur until the truth is presented or "open". The
> contrast between night and day is not denied until the contrast is made
> visible. When we deny the truth which is "open" now, and we can "see"
now
> what the scriptures teach if we look, we are denying GOD Himself who IS
> truth, and we are denying Christ because He was God-incarnate (filled
with
> God's spirit from conception), and He was God's person demonstrated and
> manifested in human flesh.
>
> A belief of "earthly peace" has prevailed for centuries. Some who had
> access to biblical writings after the 70 a.d. fall of Jerusalem clung
to the
> OLD Testament, and to "ideas" taken from the angel's announcement at
> Christ's birth, and Revelation, that Christ's reign was supposed to
bring
> peace on earth.
>
> Listen - the teaching of a king coming to force peace on earth was the
> reason that Christ was denied as "deliverer", and put on the cross. No
one
> people has ever had a corner on that kind of denial, have they? Why
> do_you_deny that He reigns? Is it because the nature of His
"king****p" does
> not please you? Join the crucifiers. By the way, they were not
"Israel" as
> a race. A whole spread of rejectors did that deed. There were Romans
and
> there were also peoples of every tribe which was represented there.
"Roman"
> was not a race. They were a known power. Being known for something
does
> not constitute being a race.
>
> There are interpretations of prophecy which have been fed to us, and
which
> have been accepted by us, which are as "anti-Christ" (anti-truth) as
they
> were in John's day when he wrote in I John 2:18 that, "it was the last
> times, and that there was antiChrist, and many antiChrists". False
prophecy
> was epidemic 2,000 years ago.
>
> The testimony of the NEW Testament explained the materialistic-sounding
> prophecies of the Old Testament. We do not CHANGE the clarifying
"relative"
> scriptures of the New to suit the hard-to-grasp symbolic prophecies of
the
> Old. Each generation has repeatedly reverted back to the Old Testament
in
> order to explain moves among nations of their day. We have turned our
backs
> on Christian doctrine.
>
> Deliverance was to be from the captivity of death. Eternal life away
from
> suffering was God's promise. It was in the Old Testament descriptions
that
> there would be peace with no more wars or uprootings, no more tears,
> mourning, or crying...and "forever"-dwellng. Those prophecies were
easy to
> misunderstand. The New Testament clarified what they were.
>
> Out of "longsuffering", God has extended Christ's reign of saving
"Gentile"
> souls from one thousand to two thousand years. We "others"
> (pagans...Gentiles) are seen in Isaiah 66:19 to have taken up the
spreading
> of the gospel AFTER Christ's Coming in verse 15. That sequence is in
> perfect agreement with the sequence which Christ gave in Luke 20:16.
>
> Listen, when we focus on God and accept what He has ALREADY done, we
will
> not feel so fearful. We will not need a "crutch" which doesn't exist.
> False prophecy preys on weak Christians who have to keep "seeing" God's
> action in the world in order to keep faith.
>
> Only two kinds of people existed in the First Century a.d., and they
are the
> same as today - (1) believers in God and what He promised Abraham, and
(2)
> unbelievers, pagans. "Israel" was only the family name of Jacob's
> multi-languaged, multi-cultured, multi-colored descendents. They were
not
> all God-followers. They were as diverse as "Americans" are. They
still
> are. Man's "identity" is to God only and God knows how to put us to
the
> test as to whether our claim to God is genuine. We are all the same.
Our
> prejudices will go when we get rid of the "race" idea.
>
> There is no excuse for trodding on anyone because of "difference", but
> retaliation is forbidden by any of us. "Vengeance is His" and if man's
> courts do not exact full punishment for offenses, I guarantee you that
the
> "after-life" WILL. I plan to participate in the meting out of justice
when
> I get on the "other side". I do not like oppression.
>
> Back to the subject of denial, the only way for man to deny that Paul
was
> speaking expressly to his own generation in I Thessalonians 4 was to
CHANGE
> what was written and say, "This is what he meant". This act has been
> repeated with every scripture in the New Testament which indicated that
"the
> kingdom of heaven was at hand". Pretty soon, man erased from minds
that
> there WAS a "live audience" back then.
>
> Each generation for 2,000 years applied the scriptures directly to
> themselves, whereby each expected Christ's return. Man's skeptics are
> wrong. Christ DID return right on schedule....but there WILL be
another
> day. I Corinthians 15:24-28 will be NO LESS spectacular than were the
> events from 67-70 a.d.
>
> I say all of this as an exhortation, and not as condemnatory. I
believed
> exactly as do most of you...because I was too busy to follow God's
spirit
> and study, and too centered on my personal problems. I trusted others
- in
> spite of an awareness that something did not "fit" (or ring true).
Simply,
> I was blind and preoccupied. God woke me up with purging and refining,
> which I knew in my heart that I needed.
>
> Christians, you can expect the same purging and cleansing-refining
which the
> early church underwent. It will be of God's mercy; otherwise He would
walk
> away without warning or correcting any of us.
>
> Did you notice to whom Christ said, "Pray always, that you might be
counted
> worthy to escape those things coming to pass"? Some of them endured to
the
> end. Many of them had their souls refined.
>
> Folks, it was God's people...all believers in Him...whom God CLEANSED
and
> judged for heavenly-entry, for the receiving of immortality, for
"change"
> from mortal to immortal.
>
> Believe me, God will NOT overlook any "saveable" soul in this_final_
end
> generation. That means that He will "jerk a knot in you", if
necessary, to
> wake you up. He sure took ME over the coals.
>
> Our grandparents had a whole lifetime in which to decide that what
comes
> after is more im****tant than what is now. THEIR "cleansing" was more
> gradual (depending on how long their life would be), but our generation
is
> comparable to a life-threatening blazing fire. "Wakeup" has to occur
> rapidly, and it will be painful (it is and has been already for
thousands
> and thousands). Many have realized what has been happening to them,
and
> have made their peace with God, asking forgiveness for their sins.
>
> Now that Christ is not human flesh anymore, but glorified flesh in His
own
> "habitat", we believers who have the same manifestation of God in us
are as
> responsible as was He when He ministered physically.
>
> I wrote a lot because I do not count my tomorrows and another
op****tunity to
> give you, who have lost hope or have none, some light at the end of the
> tunnel.
>
> I care for you because God cares for you. Before I gave myself to God,
I
> cared for no soul. I had brotherly love, and that does not compare to
the
> love of God. Don't wait and start worrying when nobody here cares any
> longer for your soul. They probably will have been "delivered up to
God".
>
> May
>
> heb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >In <36067CAA.3...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> writes:
> >>heb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>
> >>> >>KJV Rev 22:6 And he said unto me,
> >>> >>These sayings are faithful and true: and
> >>> >>the Lord God of the holy prophets sent
> >>> >>his angel to shew unto his servants the
> >>> >>things which must shortly be done.
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>> Valerie and others, you included, have specifically denied
> >>> that the things MUST shortly be done.
> >>
> >> Probably a cultural thing: both were undoubtably raised to
> >>believe that the prophecy hasn't happened yet ( which- from what I've
> >>seen- seems to be the most traditional sort of reading. ). I honestly
> >>doubt ~any~ amount of reasonable argument will shake this conviction-
as
> >>it is extremely unlikely that this opinion is adhered too for
rational
> >>reasons in the first place. But admittely at this point, I'm just
> >>guessing. Its just something I've run into a lot.
> >>
> >It CAN happen <g>. I was raised with the same belief, but
> >I read the scriptures with an open mind and discovered it
> >didn't say what I had always been taught.
> >
> >Ever since then, I have always been willing to question
> >the things that I have been taught, along with questioning
> >everyone else's preconceived ideas.
> >
> >As far as it being the "traditional" reading, that is actually
> >not the case. It is the "popular" reading, the one most
> >often presented on TV and in paperback books, which we
> >all know is all about money and sales rather than truth.
> >
> >
> >Scott
> >
alt.bible.prophecy > Faith and belief are antinomic - View Parsed
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now we find out.
This person, who calls himself "Amédée "
also calls himself "The Christ!"
Flee from him little children!
This is the beast!
prophet_jon
Amédée wrote:
> Faith is antinomic to belief. Faith can't arise when it is muzzled by
> belief.
> In a religious environment, belief is linked to a concept, some ideas,
> culture, dogmas. By believing you give your sup****t to a belief-system.
> Most of believers haven't chosen their religion besides. Their family
> background has taken on the choice for them.
> They were educated, conditioned to become good Christians, Hindus,
Muslims,
> Jews, Buddhists,
> They were subjected to religious indoctrination from very young and of
> course when they reach adulthood they swear by their religion.
> But a christian by birth who defends bitterly the fact of belonging
to
> the catholic religion, would defend fervently hindu religion as well if
he
> had been born in a hindu family.
> Faith as for it, is not linked to any dogma, religion, or concept.
> It is irrational as far as mind is concerned for it doesn't rest on
reason.
> Faith is intuitive.
> It is the echo produced by Christ that enlightens our consciousness.
> It is the wave of truth which comes from God through Christ within us.
> But to let faith arise, we must first get rid of all our doubts and
> beliefs.
> You have to be awaiting Revelation.
> With the reason you can assume God's existence or the contrary, but you
> won't experience God with it.
> Faith transcends intellect, it is intuitive intelligence.
> Beliefs comes from intellect, from reason.
> Faith is intuitive, belief is intellectual.
> Jesus-Christ died for faith and in faith.
> But He was murdered by believers.
> Yes, you can die for faith, and conversely, you can kill for beliefs.
> Those who really have faith know that you can't impose it.
> Faith is like love and love is not a rape !
> Beliefs as for them are imposed through countless forms of
indoctrination.
>
> Man needs a spiritual education so as to one day, put an end to his
cycle
> of lives on Earth, but he doesn't need any religious conditioning.
> Religions may be means to succeed in liberating Christ within us, but
when
> imposed they become hindrances to the spiritual fulfilment of Man.
>
> Only few people have chosen their religion. And this is why there is so
> much confusion in minds.
> You shouldn't forget that religions are only means and not the aim.
> There is no religion superior to others.
> The best religion is the religion that will lead you, personally, to
the
> divine.
> No matter how considered it is by the others.
> The religions are originally dedicated to be a path for your
> self-fulfilment.
> And when you reach your aim resurrection you don't need the
religious
> path anymore.
> Your life has become religious.
> You are the essence of religions.
> You are Religion.
>
> This is why I tell you,
> I am not a christian, nor a muslim, a hindu
> I am the Christ.
>
> http://www.amedee.org/english/Way/contents.html
alt.bible > 3168 and JESUS CHRIST - View Parsed
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
oh!
sorry!
you ARE kidding, right?
tell me you're kidding!
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
B. Ratsch wrote:
> . 3168 and JESUS CHRIST
>
> A newly released book that is sure to rock the Geometry,
> religious,space, and mathematics worlds concerns the number 3168, a
> number that is manifesting itself throughout all creation and the
> universe and is associated with Jesus Christ. The following evidence
> proves that Jesus Christ himself is the creator of the earth, moon and
> the cosmos because of those four numbers, 3168. In the book, "Jesus
> Christ the number of his name" by Bonnie Gaunt has nothing to do with
> the bible code we have all heard about. Simply put, when using the
> Greek alphabet in which each letter has a numerical value, the word
> "Lord" has a numerical value of 800, that is , Kappa=20, Upsilon=400,
> Rho=100, Iota=10, Omicron=70 and Sigma=200. Adding all those sum up to
> the number 800. Using the same Greek alphabet and their numerical
> values for the name "JESUS", sums up to 888 and finally the same method
> for the word "CHRIST", sums up to 1480. When adding up all three,
>
> LORD=800
> JESUS=888
> CHRIST-1480
> ----
> TOTAL=3168
>
> This number, 3168 is in all the universe and its creations, lending
to
> great sup****t that Jesus Christ, the second person of the trinity was
> its creator. For example light travels from the sun to the earth a
> distance of roughly 92 million miles. Sometimes the distance is
> different becasuse of Earth's eliptical orbit around the sun. But the
> mean distance that light travels from the sun to earth is 93 million
> miles. Using the Encyclopedia Britannica list the mean distance that
> light travels from the sun to each of our nine planets (dropping the
> zeros)
>
> Mercury....................36
> Venus......................67
> Earth......................93
> Mars......................142
> Jupiter...................483
> Saturn....................886
> Uranus..................1,782
> Neptune.................2,793
> Pluto...................3,672
> ----
> TOTAL 9954
>
> Thus the combined distances that light travels from the sun to each
of
> the nine planets is 9,954 (dropping the zeros). Think of this number
as
> representing the giant circumference ball of our solar System. If we
> were to draw a line directly through its middle, that line, its
diameter
> would measure 3,168. 3168 again! The amazing reality is that the whole
> solar system, of which man's home is a small part, bears the number of
> its Maker, "LORD JESUS CHRIST." Also consider that the place of
Jesus's
> birth is Bethlehem, Israel. What is Bethlehem's latitude? You guessed
> it, 31.68 degrees North. In the Jewish bible in the book of Micah 5:2,
> "You Bethlehem Ephratah, you who are little among the thousands of
> Judah, out of you he shall come forth to Me to be ruler in Israel, and
> his goings forth have been from of old, from the days of ETERNITY." In
> addition, the words, "THE WAY" (Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth
and
> the life") The bible speaks of Jesus as the "LIGHT" of the world and
> finally "Mary" whose ovum egg was fertilized by the Holy Spirit who
then
> bore Jesus. In adding the numerical value of the words, "THE WAY",
> "LIGHT" and "MARY", each total to 352. Why is 352 significant?
Because
> the Longitude of Bethlehem is 35.2 degrees East. Also if someone were
> to draw a square all the way around the circle of the earth, enclosing
> the earth within, the measure of the square or perimeter of square
would
> be 31,680 miles. Those four numbers, 3168 again! If anyone is
> interested about the number 3168 and how it releates to the moon and
> many other astronomical creations can be found in the book "Jesus
> Christ: The Number Of His Name" This book ISBN number is:
> 0-932813-60-7. The book is Soon to be if not already arrived in major
> book stores accross the USA. For those who have "Real Audio" on their
> computers can see and hear the author, Bonnie Gaunt as she is
> interviewed about her book and the details. Just go to
> http://www.broadcast.com/lightsource/tv/700/archive.html.
Then scroll
> down to Tuesday, September 1, 1998 and click onto it. After arriving
> there, fast-forward to 47 minutes, 50 seconds for the interview.
>
> On my server, the search engine "Hotbot", Out of curisity I typed in
> 31.68 to see what would come up. Ninth on the list was the following:
>
> "9. RUSSIAN BIBLE PSA-69
> A CHAPTER FROM THE BIBLE IN RUSSIAN (RST)
> 97%
>
> I then looked up Psa-69 in the Jewish bible and found within that
> chapter, in the 21st verse these words: "They gave me also gall for my
> meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink." I recognized
> intantly that this was talking about the creator, Jesus Christ (3168)
> as he was being crucified. For in the New Testament it says, "They
gave
> him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof,
> he would not drink." (Matthew 27:34)
alt.bible.prophecy > Is Rev Mike anti-Christ? No! I Apologize!
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I am putting my apology here because I havn't yet found the post in which
I
attacked
Rev. Mike.
When I find that post, I'll put another apology there.
we all make mistakes. This time, I made a big one.
I pray Rev. Mike's forgiveness, as well as the Lord's.
Forgive me, Rev Mike?
Prophet_jon
================================
Seems I owe you an apology.
I will herewith offer a guarded apology.
"Guarded" because I took a 2nd look at your site just now,
and I realized at a glance that I have not been there.
Apparently, as I clicked on your site's url, I was taken somewhere else.
I offer a "guarded" apoloty because I will not pass judgement pro/con
until I HAVE been to your site and checked it out.
But you have my sincerest apologies at this point.
And I will endeavor to get back on the News Group now and say the same
thing.
I have been asked repeatedly since I signed on, to please comment/guide
newer/novice Christians and seekers in who to read/listen to and whom to
avoid. I hope you will understand the gravity of the position the Spirit
seems to have placed me in.
I leave you now with my humblest apologies, and I will now go to the
News Group and post/paste this.
john
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike wrote:
> Jim Heida Jr wrote in message ...
> >If that aint enough, the Greek word for "caught" up is: 726. harpazo,
> >har-pad'-zo; from a der. of G138; to seize (in various
> applications):-->catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> I don't think anyone is saying that the Lord isn't going to catch the
saints
> up to be with Him, so the fact that the Greek word "harpazo" is used
here is
> moot. The question is "when", not "if".
>
> The term "Rapture" has more or less come to mean "Pre-Tribulation
Rapture"
> to most people and there is very little scriptural sup****t for that
> doctrine. The scripture that you quoted, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, is
usually
> linked together with 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 and the 1 Corinthians
verses say
> that it is at the last trumpet. The only "last trumpet" that we know
> anything about is in Revelation 11:15
>
> "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven,
> saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and
> of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
>
> This is at the end of the Tribulation, as the armies of rebellious
humanity
> are gathering to battle the Lord at Armeggedon.
>
> Additionally, both the 1 Thessalonian verses and the 1 Corinthians
verses
> speak of the "dead in Christ" rising first. The only resurrection of
the
> dead in Christ mentioned in scripture is in Revelation 20:4-6:
>
> "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
> them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
> Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not wor****pped the beast,
> neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in
> their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But
> the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished.
> This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part
in
> the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but
they
> shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a
thousand
> years."
>
> This is at the end of the Tribulation and at the beginning of the
Millennial
> Reign of Christ.
>
> You also quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God hath not appointed us to
wrath,
> but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,". God is not going
to
> pour His wrath out on us, but that doesn't mean we won't be here to see
it.
>
> "A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but
> it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and
see
> the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my
> refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall
thee,
> neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling." (Psalms 91:7-10)
>
> I think Psalm 91 should be a memorized by everyone before the
Tribulation
> begins. God kept Noah and his family safe in the midst of the Flood, He
kept
> Daniel safe in the midst of the lions, He kept Shadrach, Meshach, and
> Abednego safe in the midst of the furnace and He can keep those who are
His
> safe in the midst of the Tribulation too if that's what He chooses to
do.
>
> There is an article titled "Is the Pre-Tribulation Rapture
Scriptural?" on
> our website. You might want to check it out because it examines the
> "sup****t" scriptures for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in the light of
the
> whole Word of God.
>
> In Christ,
>
> Rev. Mike Bugal
> Heartland Chapel Ministries
> http://www.mindspring.com/~revmikeb/
> ICQ#3839265
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it, Frisbill.
prophet_jon
Frisbill wrote:
> When I said my foot slippeth;thy mercy O LORD held me up (psalm 94 18)
>
> you dont have to be perfect to stay saved.
>
> see also I JOHN 2 1
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van den Heuvel wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:56:11 -0500, "JAMES MCCAULEY" <@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >Global things will happen. Special News re****ts kind of stuff. Hang on
> >because GOD is about to move his hand over this world in the next
year.
> >Changing our lives and preparing us for JESUS.
>
> "Global things will happen". Isn't pretty much on par with "I predict
> the sun will rise tomorrow"?
>
> -Curt
Let's see how funny you are when the poop God throws hits the fanand it's
all
over you, Curt!
I don't know that 1999 is a special year, but then I don't claim to share
or
be privy to
JAMES MCCAULEY's vision.
But we can be sure it's about to break loose.
"What is about to break loose?" you ask.
You're about to find out. ;-)
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey, all you mindless weezles, check this out:
I could not have said it better.
prophet_jon
EHighleymn wrote:
> >What is the origin of the teaching of hellfire? Here it is and I pity
those
> >who believe in Hell.
>
> The two things Satan hates (and fears) the most
> are Christ's divinity and hellfire,
> for he will defeated by these two things.
> It's no wonder he's raised up the JW's to deny them.
>
> Their doctrine removes the basis for our fear of God --
> they replace eternal torment in hell with painless oblivion.
>
> But, as Christ teaches:
>
> Luke 12:4-5
> I tell you, my friends,
> do not be afraid of those who kill the body
> and after that can do no more.
> But I will show you whom you should fear:
> Fear him who, after the killing of the body,
> has power to throw you into hell.
> Yes, I tell you, fear him.
>
> Matt 13:42
> They will throw them into the fiery furnace,
> where there will be weeping and gna****ng of teeth.
>
> Mark 9:48
> Where their worm does not die,
> and the fire is not quenched.
>
> Rev 14:11
> The smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever.
> There is no rest day or night...
> <HTML>
> ________________________________________________
> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~erichighleyman/">
> Church, Prepare For Great Tribulation</A></HTML>
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But why reject "the better way" without even hearing about it?
Why reject "the better way" without trying it?
I keep hearing, "I don't want to be a Christian. Christians don't have
any
fun."
If I couldn't have fun, I wouldn't be a Christian.
I can have MORE fun than any non-Christian. It's the non-Christians who
don't have fun.
I can do anything I want. It's just that I don't want to do the truly bad
things.
And I am forgiven for the bad that I do.
See how that works?
The whole point is to do your best and get forgiven when you fail.
But without that relation****p with God through Jesus Christ (kinda the
"gate keeper" so to speak), there's no forgiveness. There's only
condemnation.
Get forgiven today. Enjoy tomorrow! There truly is New Life, and Better
Life, in Christ.
;-)
prophet_jon
Joshua wrote:
> >Cure for aids and cancer? Yes, we're closer, but not there. And
> >wouldn't it even be cooler though, if we found out *why* we contract
> >these things in the first place, rather than always having some
> >band-aid remedy to everything? This is all we're doing now, is putting
> >band-aids on the problems that continue to arise. We can only do this
> >for so long before we see the need to address a much larger underlying
> >problem here. I mean, why even the need to worry about these things in
> >the first place? Sure it may serve our egos to 'solve' our own
> >problems for a while, but could there possibly be an even BETTER way?
>
> well those things will come in time....as we learn more about
> ourselves we can discover interesting things about the nature God
> created for us.
> what better way are you talking about?
>
> >No. I do see what you're getting at, but believe me, it *is* a false
> >hope. This is what started it all to begin with. We basically told God
> >to shove off, we don't need Him meddling in our affairs. So He said
> >fine, then go on your way, and in the end you'll see that I was right.
>
> not really, i don't believe any of this would be possible without God.
> who says you can't be optimistic about this world and at the same time
> believe divine inspiration drives us to make this a better place?
>
> >And are things getting better? How long do you propose that will take?
> >Sometime during your lifetime? And do you think that you're the very
> >first person throughout history to have this absolutely wonderful
> >idea? And if not, why aren't things already better now? I don't
> >it, aren't we living in a complete utopia? What is it that keeps
> >hanging us up? The problem is that every person has their own idea as
> >to how we should go about it. I mean, in his own demented way even
> >Hitler tried to 'optimistically' make the world a better place.
>
> how long it will take is anyone's guess. i am not in a rush. everyone
> has their own opinions on how the world could be better. some are
> ingenius and some are outright demented....it's the flurry of
> different ideas that help make this a more interesting place to live.
>
> >No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with optimism, as I have a LOT of
> >it. Its just the empty optimism that scares the hell out of me.
>
> i would imagine empty pessimism would be scarier
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points, Hoppy,
but are you saying that you can't learn ANYTHING from other believers who
have perhaps been
places and experienced things you haven't?
I disagree. If you are a mature believer, you can sort your way through
the chaff and just enjoy
chewing the wheat.
Dr. Nee was a gifted theologian, if a little rigid at times.
There are passages of Dr. Nee's that I find truly inspiring and
beautiful.
Other passages I don't relate to at all.
But it takes many to grow and nurture one another. What else is church
about?
That is why the pastor is there. That is why the elders are there. That
is why the other
believers are there. For mutual nurturing.
And Watchman Nee is certainly not for everyone.
prophet_jon
Hoppy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to, the, Newsgroup.com wrote:
> In article <6uv4ii$b1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Esther" <esth...
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> wrote:
> >Dear members of Christ
> >. That is why I recommand the book of
> >"Watchman Nee A Seer of the Divine Revelation in thePresent Age"
written by
> >Witness Lee to the seeker of Christ.
> >Dear Hoppy, The Bible is our daily bread that is for sure, but some
times
> >when we get to certain verses we can not understand the intrinsic
meaning
> >then we will need the other member who has the spiritual insight to
open it
> >up to us. Pray that you will take my advice.
> >
> >Esther
> >Hoppy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to the Newsgroup.com wrote in message
> If I get to a passage of scripture that I do not understand, I use the
other
> Bible passages to get a clearer picture of the original passage. I
have yet
> to see a book written that does not "Lean" towards someone's personal
> understanding. That is why I stay with just the Bible.
> As far as Watchman Nee being a Seer of the Divine revelation, you would
really
> just have to be joking.
>
> Hoppy
alt.bible.prophecy > Isnt the Holy Spirit removed from the earth? -
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Val,
I see no reference to Michael in 2 thes 2
prophet_jon
Valerie Southard wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> The Holy Spirit is here now and the church is persecuted.
> What makes you think He needs to leave as He protects
> the church from the wicked?
>
> The Holy Spirit does not restrain evil. Also Jesus gave
> Him to the church as a comforter, not a protector from
> wicked people.
>
> Michael the archangel is the restrainer in 2 Thess. 2.
>
>
> Valerie
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If I can get in on the tail end of the ^ ^ title, Vote against
Republicans,
when anyone, including a sitting President, lies to congress under oath,
1. that is a felony. It doesn't matter what he lied about.
When he coerces or bribes someone else to lie for him,
2. that is also a felony.
When he gives false testimony during a trial/hearing (Paula Jones) for NO
reason
other than to cover his own hieny,
3. that is a felony
When he allows his attorney to give false testimony that he knows is
false during
a trial/hearing (Paula Jones) for NO reason other than to cover his own
hieny,
4. that is a felony
When he claims executive privilege in order to impede the investiation of
possibly
criminal matters involving him (see above list), that is "abuse of
power".
5. that is a felony
This abuse of power (executive privilege) is also called
6. obstruction of justice, and it, too, is a felony
Mr. Clinton is an attorney. He is supposed to know these things.
He didn't plead the 5th. He agreed on these occasions to testify. Then he
knowingly lied.
His testimony was not attributed to "mistakes". He lied. Repeatedly.
Under oath.
7. That is perjury.
He accessed almost 1,000 private FBI files, and then hid them at the
White House
for more than 2 years. Mr. Clinton was not allowed to have those files.
The
information on Heny Hyde's adulterous relation****p from 30 years ago was
contained
in those files, if 8. you weren't aware of that.
Mr. Nixon was impeached for having less than 10 unauthorized FBI files in
his
possession illegally. Why should we let Mr. Clinton off for having almost
1000
illegal files in his possession? Because some of you like him?
Then, in that case, we need to apologize for impeaching Dick Nixon.
We have not even discussed White Water Gate, or Hillary's illegal
trading, which
earned her in excess of $500 K
When is enough crime enough to impeach a sitting president?
And nothing has even been said yet about his cocaine trafficing out of
Cuba.
And nothing has been said about all the children who are being stolen off
the
streets of America and sold oversees into white slavery.
In case you hadn't heard, this is happening daily. And if Mr. Clinton
isn't
personally involved, he knows about it. And he has the power to stop it.
Will he?
Will Congress? They know about it, too.
j
joshua geller wrote:
> "Clavius" <clav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> > Yolanda wrote in message <6v0hhs$e7...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > >In article <6utpme$jl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clavius,
> > >says...
>
> > >>Yolanda, you're supposed to be casting *bread* upon the waters, not
hooks.
>
> > >I am not feeding ducks. I am just telling the truth. If God's Holy
Truth is
> > > too hard for you to swallow, then I am sorry. The Truth can be a
bitter
> > >pill for sinners to swallow...Amen!
>
> > >I did not ask to do the Lord's works. He called on me. So here I
am...Amen!
>
> > <gulp> Yolanda, you are a true Fisher of Men.
>
> So which are the oldest Gospels?
>
> My vote is for Mark, Thomas and Mary.
>
> My best,
>
> josh
wash.politics > Vote against Republicans (their public laundering of
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btw, josh,
last I looked, this is a baptist news group.
So what's with the "gospels of Thomas and Mary"?
We use the non-RCC pagan Bible here.
j
joshua geller wrote:
> "Clavius" <clav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> > Yolanda wrote in message <6v0hhs$e7...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> > >In article <6utpme$jl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, clav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clavius,
> > >says...
>
> > >>Yolanda, you're supposed to be casting *bread* upon the waters, not
hooks.
>
> > >I am not feeding ducks. I am just telling the truth. If God's Holy
Truth is
> > > too hard for you to swallow, then I am sorry. The Truth can be a
bitter
> > >pill for sinners to swallow...Amen!
>
> > >I did not ask to do the Lord's works. He called on me. So here I
am...Amen!
>
> > <gulp> Yolanda, you are a true Fisher of Men.
>
> So which are the oldest Gospels?
>
> My vote is for Mark, Thomas and Mary.
>
> My best,
>
> josh
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Adam Knight wrote:
> ^ GOD ^ <32qwe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > In article <19980927162225.12755.00002...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, ohphule...
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> > OhPhuleeze, says...
> > >
> > >
> > >How very wonderful for the Roman Catholic Church! Quite soon, the
> > religious
> > >descendents of the Colonial Puritans might well apologize for
hanging Mary
> > Dye
> > >on the Boston Common and the wholesale slaughter in the village of
Salem!
Baptists aren't "religious descendents of the Colonial Puritans ". Last I
recall,
there was a fellow in the New Testament, guy by the name of John the
Bapist, who
was the for runner of the Baptists of today.
Same doctrine. Same form of baptism.
Remind me, please, somebody, how the RCC pagans baptise? Last I heard,
they use a
drop or two of "holy water".
> >
> >
> > Who knows, maybe baptists will even apologize for their ongoing
public abuse
> > of gay men and women.
Preaching against human indecency is now called "public abuse".
Interesting
"politically correct" double speak.Yes?
If you're gonna be homo, having Christians and other hetero***uals preach
against
your VERY self and socially destructive behavior is the LEAST harm you
will
suffer. Wait til Jesus comes back and you will see some REAL anti-homo
action.
He will cast you into the lake of fire!
>
>
> Have they yet made apologies for their stance on slavery and
defense
> of it?
Last I heard, Harriet Beacher Stowe, (author of Uncle Tom's Cabin) was a
Baptist
as well as an early abolitionist.How the Catholics LOVE to revise history
to suit
their totally corrupt dogma/theology.
> Or their constant insulting and degrading of people of other
> faiths from the pulp...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmInteresting slant from a Catholic. I've been to
SEVERAL
Catholic services and heard the same thing. We baptists in America have
only been
preaching against perversion and anti-Biblical (RCC) teahings for about
200 years.
The RCC pagans have been preaching against non-RCC pagan New Testament
doctrine as
taught by Jesus and then Paul for, what? oh, about 1700 years.
> oh, they still do that one. =) well, what about
> the slavery thing?
We've been against slavery for almost 200 years, as dictated by
scripture.
Try again.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Adam Knight wrote:
> Nicholas <rom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > UPDATED 9-26-98
> >
> > Question~ "Why does Catholic doctrine state that Jesus had no
brothers and
> > sisters, and that
> > Mary was a virgin until her death"
> >
> > God says "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called
Mary?
> > and his BRETHREN, James,
> > and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his SISTERS, are they not all
with
> > us? Whence then
> > hath this man all these things?"
> > Matthew 13:55-56
>
> The gospels were written in Aramaic, Nick.
nope. Try Greek.
> In Aramaic, there is no
> word for cousin,
nope. More RCC pagan lies. You're saying here that none of the gospel
writers or
any of their ancestors who used any of the same languages (Aramaic and
Greek) ever
had any cousins, so there was no word for "cousin" in Aramaic or Greek?
Get real!
That's such a tall one my dumbest neighbor wouldn't beleive it.
> so the word for brother or sister is used instead.
horse pucky!more RCC pagan lies. You can't face it. Jesus had younger
brothers and
sisters. That, or God stole Joseph's wife.
> It's a tradition of the time that few today care to look into and learn
> about before spewing garbage like that post around calling educated
> people liars when it is yourself, Nick, that is doing the lieing.
NO. It is you. That or your pagan RCC elders.You have apparently done NO
independent research outside RCC pagan sources.
>
>
> Now then, what of other documents, very shortly thereafter, that
> note Christ as an only child? =)
documents? What documents? You mean "the Gospel of Thomas?" You mean "the
Gospel
of Mary?"Why do you think they aren't in the Cannon? Because they
"document" that
Jesus was "an only child." which any 1st C Jew knew was total B.S. Funny
thing
about the "gospels". In the cannon, (You know, those books that the Jews
and then
the 1st C saints/apostles) agreed would be in our Bible, in Matthew
12:46, it
says, "While He was speaking to the people, his mother and his brothers
came and
stood outside, and wanted to speak with Him."
This is from the Pe****a translation. I'm sure you have no clue what
version that
is. It's the 1st C. Bible used by the Coptic churches (you know, the ones
Paul
founded). This Bible was assembled in the 1st C. A.D. Bet you didn't know
that,
did you?
This Bible survived, first the Roman attempt to destroy all copies, in 70
A.D.,
then it survived the RCC attempts to destroy it beginning in the 3rd C.,
when the
RCC pagans took over the Roman cult known today as Catholicism.
Again, why are you in here? Look at the name of the News Group. It says
"Baptist."
Go peddle your RCC pagan dogma elsewhere.
> Or do they not count because the
> CATHOLIC council of Nicea did not put them into YOUR Bible to wor****p?
They don't count because neither the Jews, 1,000 years before Christ, nor
the
Apostles, approved them.See, there was a way books had to be qualified to
get into
our cannon.
You probably didn't know that. Long before the RCC pagans politicized the
process
of cannonizing books and saints, there was a real spiritual way of
cannonizing
books of the Bible.
1. Each book had to refer to at least one other.
2. Each book had to mention God or Jesus.
3. Each book had to say something new, something different, and not just
re-hash
other books.
4. Each book had to conform. Although each book had to say something new
(see #3),
there could be no conflict between any two books. (The conflicts that
seem to have
arisen in the past few centuries have mainly arisen because of the RCC
heresies
and others. In the New Testament days, to say an Apostle or a student of
an
apostle said "so and so" was enough authority to authenticate statements
and/or
writings. Only since the deaths of the Apostles and their disciples has
there
arisen such division over "what the Apostles really said and taught".
5. Each book of the New Testament and Old Testament had to be
authenticated by its
author.
Obviously the "Gospel of Thomas" and the "Gospel of Mary" didn't qualify
in
several aspects, as did Macabees, Tobit, and others.
Don't feel too badly. Even some books of Paul's, which were
authenticated, didn't
make it into the cannon.
prophet_jon
>
>
> That stuff runs both ways.
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I can't name the book, but I believe you'd probably find any such
references in
what are today called the "Apochrypha".
However, if none of the Apostles re****ted any such romance, I would not
believe
it for a moment. There is a reason we have the current cannon, minus a
number of
books the RCC pagans use. Those we use required pretty strict
documentation as to
their author****p etc. By the way, the "new" revelations aren't "new".
These
things have been whispered for MANY hundreds of years. Hear the one
about
Jesus's sons and daughters?
;-) gotcha!
prophet_jon
MsSpooky83 wrote:
> "New" revelations have surfaced suggesting that Jesus and Mary
Magdalene were
> involved in a "romantic" relation****p, quite possibly married. Could
come one
> please point me in the direction of the ancient text that sup****ts
these
> beliefs?
>
> ~Ezri
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you know,
this starts out so beautifully,
I kinda almost hate to jump on the author, Housekeep 1, with both feet
and tear the
meat off his bones!
But I must.
Here walks a soft spoken, earnest, sincere, quiet, polite
false teacher.
He woos you with soft, sweet music, as he teaches/preaches enough heresy
to send your soul to hell if you don't know any better.
I, prophet_jon, know better,
and I will show you his grievous errors if you will follow me through his
sweet,
poisonous words.
Come, let us study together:
prophet_jon
Housekeep1 wrote:
> The Way
>
> Some have asked about my "Gospel." I never claimed to have a gospel, I
only
> claimed to teach what Jesus has taught me.
"Housekeep 1"'s Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. Neither is his
"gospel" that
which Jesus and the prophets of old and the apostles of new gave us.
> Well, "Gospel" means "Good News,"
> and Jesus indeed had good news for the world. His Gospel is my Gospel,
not true.
> which I
> shall now attempt to put into words:
>
> Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Firstborn of Creation. Although His
Purity
> of Spirit, and Lightness of Being maintain His Eternal Innocence and
> Sinlessness, He manifest as Man, in great Love for you and respect
toward His
> Father's Will.
so good so far.
> Being born of a virgin, as was His mother and twin soul, Mary,
are you here telling us that Mary was/is a pre-existent Deity, like
Jesus?If she
was Jesus' "twin soul" she must be Deity.
Quote me the verse, please, where you get this heresy.
Last I looked, there are three, not four, who compose the Holy Trinity:
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
Your Holy Trinity looks like this:
Father
Mother
Son
Holy Spirit
something is wrong with this picture.
It violates scripture.
Mary acknowledged her sinful nature in written scripture, and her need of
a savior.
Luke 1:46, opening what has been called "Mary's Magnificat"
says
46 "And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
If Mary needed a savior, she wasn't God, or the 4th person of the Holy
Trinity, or
Deity.
She was a sinner, like you and me. Unlike Jesus, whom the Bible says was
born of
the virgin Mary, the Bible makes no such claim of Mary. She was human
like the rest
of us.
> His purity was
> maintained even as His Spirit densified onto the material realm.
>
> He endured a physical body and a world of limited Thought for a reason,
He
> endured in accordance to His Fathers Plan of Salvation for the Whole
of
> Creation.
Peter said to the Lord Jesus, "Lord, you know all things."
> Many teach that man is sinful by Nature and justly deserving of the
torments of
> hell. This is not so.
This IS so."All we, like sheep, have gone astray. We have turned,
everyone, to his
own way.
And the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 53:6 KJV (the version in which I memorized this as a child. This
is why
Jesus came and died.
> God would never make His Son assume the chains of the
> body for any deemed unworthy.
says who? says YOU? I rebuke you! Here, you are the spokesman for a liar,
the
prince of liars!Notice here, folks, while this guy's words sound lofty
and sweet,
he doesn't quote any scripture. This guy is quoting you very pretty
sounding,
poison of the New Age, New Gospel of Man, not the Gospel of God!
Run, children!
> Unworthiness is the lie, that is the deception.
Your words are the lie, the deception. Contrary to your lies, the Bible
says:Psalm
14:2-3
"Jehovah looked down from Heaven upon the children of men, to see if
there were any
that did understand, that did seek after God.
They are all gone aside; they are together become filthy; there is none
that doeth
good, no, not one.
Romans 3:10
There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands,
no one
who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become WORTHLESS;
there is
no one who does good, not even one."
Even St. Paul said, he had lived a righteous life, been the perfectly
righteous Jew
his entire life. Then he met the Risen Lord Jesus, and Paul realized his
entire
life was a pile of DUNG compared with Christ!
>
>
> Jesus knew, by coming here, that He must die, but that is not why He
came.
That is EXACTLY why He came. See above scriptures. The Lord laid on Him
the
iniquity of us all. This was an Old Testament prophesy that the Lord
Jesus forknew
He would have to fulfill if we were to survive death and go to Heaven to
the reward
God had wanted us to have.
> Jesus came to deliver a Message from His Father, He brought "Good New"
of Great
> Joy. He brought a Gospel.
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