Mary was not/is not deity.
john_seeks
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> janet <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >In article <36130682.10588...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ><star...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said unto us:
>
> >>The doctrine is that Mary died, and later was brought by God body AND
> >>soul into heaven.
>
> This doctrine is nowhere sup****ted in the scriptures which is the
> foundation of true Christianity. The Bible says of those who ascend
> to heaven as heirs of the kingdom that 'flesh and blood cannot inherit
> God's kingdom. (1Cor.15:50) Also, 'there are heavenly bodies, and
> earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and
> that of the earthly bodies is of a different sort.' (1Cor.15:40.)
> Therefore persons in heaven have invisible spirit bodies and do not
> possess earthly flesh and blood.
>
> Suzanne.
alt.bible.prophecy > Please Help need info. - View Parsed
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I must say I object to your nick.
There were 13 apostles.
That time has passed.
Calling yourself The Apostle is like calling your self Jesus Christ.
It is un-scriptural. However, I will write this transgression off to
ignorance.
That said, I'm not sure there is a correct answer to your question.
I believe we must wait and see in some areas.
This is one. You will get many lofty answers, probably.
However, I think the appropriate answer is, "Don't know. Wait and see."
Does anybody have a scriptural answer, they can quote?
My best guess is, since the Bible tells us there will be no tears in
Heaven,
we won't remember Earth.
Anyway, what would be the point?
The Bible says, "Behold, all old things are passed away. All things are
new."
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> My Home Church and youth group just had a disscussion about end times
> when we are taken back to the godly realm of heaven and we were
> wondering if when in heaven do you have your memiories of earth in
> heaven
alt.bible.prophecy > Do you think Quake is Satanic? - View Parsed
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you didn't say how old your son is.
If he's 5 or 10 and he's playing a game you disapprove of,
then I beleive it's your duty as his mom to intervene.
That's what parents do. They guide their children away from the bad, and
toward
the good.
If your son is 15, then you have a problem. And he may have a problem.
You may wish to discuss with the older child why he feels so destructive.
This is also a good idea with the younger child.
But it may be easier to re-direct the younger child than with the older
one.
you may write to me for more direct information when you have more direct
information for me.
I have a gift of counseling. Although I am not a professional therapist,
I can
probably find
you scriptural answers, if that is what you seek.
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>
> I'm a mom whose son plays a lot of Quake and Quake II. I think it's
pretty
> bad, but he says it's just a game. What do you think?
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>>> >As opposed to your man-made traditions, Doc?
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>>> such as?
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>>Sola Scriptura, for one...
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>
Subject: Re: Fathers are loosers.
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Doug:
I'd be VERY curious who you got to listen/help amongst the media,
legislators, and
legal profession.
I am retired on disability. I am trying to live on Social Security. I am
finding NO
resources that are even remotely interested in me if I am not rich.
I have decided to take my case to the United States Supreme Court. I
don't trust any of
the state courts in Wa****ngton.
I am also recruiting any other people who feel their state courts and
media have
mistreated them as I have been mistreated. If you want to go plead your
case with me to
the highest court in our formerly great nation, please contact me.
angry...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin wrote:
> I have been away from this forum for three months. In that time a I
have been
> helping to set up a 501 3(c) "Shared Parenting of Wa****ngton State";
bringing two
> appeals (one in my own case and one trying to get "absolute immunity
for 'expert
> witnesses' aka 'psychologists" over-turned; attending the Wa****ngton
State "Move
> Away Summit" patterned on the AAML "Model Relocation Act" (coming to
your state as
> well); organizing court watch; researching to sue a judge; writing
letters to the
> leg and newspapers; working on legislation to improve the divorce
situation for
> children; holding down a full time job... and taking a vacation with
my 5 year
> old.
>
> One of the things that I am most distressed about is the "I can't do
anything about
> it" attitude of so many men that I encounter. While posting flame mail
here is
> perhaps a good way to vent... spending that same energy sending letters
to your
> congressmen/women, state senators, newspapers, and, yes... your state
supreme court
> would probably be more productive. Write your anecdotal story. Keep
it short...
> 500 words or less. Pass it through a friend or a critique... maybe
even someone
> here... AND SEND IT TO YOUR REP!!
>
> Anyway... take care of each other. Its rough enough without sup****t
groups. We
> don't need "abuse groups"!
>
> Doug Martin
> Olympia, WA
> mdmar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Lwbroomrdr wrote:
>
> > by any chance are you my boyfreinds ex-wife or ex-mother-in-law?
cause you sure
> > sound as immature, selfish and petty, as they are. P.S. we go
without to pay
> > that witch her sup****t, you need to troll on out of here...
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated > Fathers are loosers. - View Parsed
From: john weatherly <john_weathe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Doug:
I'd be VERY curious who you got to listen/help amongst the media,
legislators, and
legal profession.
I am retired on disability. I am trying to live on Social Security. I am
finding NO
resources that are even remotely interested in me if I am not rich.
I have decided to take my case to the United States Supreme Court. I
don't trust any of
the state courts in Wa****ngton.
I am also recruiting any other people who feel their state courts and
media have
mistreated them as I have been mistreated. If you want to go plead your
case with me to
the highest court in our formerly great nation, please contact me.
angry...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin wrote:
> I have been away from this forum for three months. In that time a I
have been
> helping to set up a 501 3(c) "Shared Parenting of Wa****ngton State";
bringing two
> appeals (one in my own case and one trying to get "absolute immunity
for 'expert
> witnesses' aka 'psychologists" over-turned; attending the Wa****ngton
State "Move
> Away Summit" patterned on the AAML "Model Relocation Act" (coming to
your state as
> well); organizing court watch; researching to sue a judge; writing
letters to the
> leg and newspapers; working on legislation to improve the divorce
situation for
> children; holding down a full time job... and taking a vacation with
my 5 year
> old.
>
> One of the things that I am most distressed about is the "I can't do
anything about
> it" attitude of so many men that I encounter. While posting flame mail
here is
> perhaps a good way to vent... spending that same energy sending letters
to your
> congressmen/women, state senators, newspapers, and, yes... your state
supreme court
> would probably be more productive. Write your anecdotal story. Keep
it short...
> 500 words or less. Pass it through a friend or a critique... maybe
even someone
> here... AND SEND IT TO YOUR REP!!
>
> Anyway... take care of each other. Its rough enough without sup****t
groups. We
> don't need "abuse groups"!
>
> Doug Martin
> Olympia, WA
> mdmar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Lwbroomrdr wrote:
>
> > by any chance are you my boyfreinds ex-wife or ex-mother-in-law?
cause you sure
> > sound as immature, selfish and petty, as they are. P.S. we go
without to pay
> > that witch her sup****t, you need to troll on out of here...
From: john_seeks <john_se...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject: Re: Jesus will kill millions of false Christians!
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obvious difference, since it escapes you,
is that Jesus is God, the Creator.
He is The One who has given us all life.
He is The One with the right, and the only one with the power,
to take it away.
Should you be thinking, "many have the power",
I shall remind you.
Jesus spoke the universe into existence.
He can give or take life with a thought.
That is what makes Him uniquely qualified to decide who lives and who
dies.
He's been doing it for thousands of years.
So you must decide whose side you're on.
To equate the Lord Jesus to Hitler, or Stalin, or Saddam is absurdly sad,
that
you can't see the difference.
prophet_j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Org wrote:
> Charles Tarrats wrote in message <361666E8.8F0A4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> >Jesus will kill millions of false Christians!
> >Question: What individual in all of human history mercilessly killed
> >and/or will kill the most people? Unrighteous Hitler, unrighteous
Saddam
> >Hussein, unrighteous Antichrist, or righteous God-Jesus Christ-the
> >Messiah?
> >I am not equating
> >the character of God-Jesus Christ with the characters of the three
> >above-mentioned evil men in any way whatsoever.
>
> Why Not equate him with those others?
> "What is the difference between Christianity and Nazism? They both
want the
> control of the world, they want to force their ideology, they seclude
groups
> and predjudice against them , they blame the Jews for everything, and
the
> ego needs to be praised and followed or else death by burning.
> So really what’s the difference between the two, I’d really like to
know why
> the obvious eludes you?" -a Mike Night Quote-
>
> More Insightful quotes, some humorous....
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bicycle/69/quotes.html
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obvious difference, since it escapes you,
is that Jesus is God, the Creator.
He is The One who has given us all life.
He is The One with the right, and the only one with the power,
to take it away.
Should you be thinking, "many have the power",
I shall remind you.
Jesus spoke the universe into existence.
He can give or take life with a thought.
That is what makes Him uniquely qualified to decide who lives and who
dies.
He's been doing it for thousands of years.
So you must decide whose side you're on.
To equate the Lord Jesus to Hitler, or Stalin, or Saddam is absurdly sad,
that
you can't see the difference.
prophet_j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Org wrote:
> Charles Tarrats wrote in message <361666E8.8F0A4...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
> >Jesus will kill millions of false Christians!
> >Question: What individual in all of human history mercilessly killed
> >and/or will kill the most people? Unrighteous Hitler, unrighteous
Saddam
> >Hussein, unrighteous Antichrist, or righteous God-Jesus Christ-the
> >Messiah?
> >I am not equating
> >the character of God-Jesus Christ with the characters of the three
> >above-mentioned evil men in any way whatsoever.
>
> Why Not equate him with those others?
> "What is the difference between Christianity and Nazism? They both
want the
> control of the world, they want to force their ideology, they seclude
groups
> and predjudice against them , they blame the Jews for everything, and
the
> ego needs to be praised and followed or else death by burning.
> So really what€™s the difference between the two, I€™d really like to
know why
> the obvious eludes you?" -a Mike Night Quote-
>
> More Insightful quotes, some humorous....
> http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bicycle/69/quotes.html
alt.bible.prophecy > End of the universe - View Parsed
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(Walksalone)
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On or about 4 Oct 1998 16:40:12 -0400 me <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Having
stopped their
contemplations on the mystery of life & uttered the following:
>I must take issue with several of your statements.
>You say there is no evidence of a universal flood.
>On the contrary, I have in my library a book (if I can find it)
>The Deluge Story in Stone, by Bryson C. Nelson
Exactly who is Mr. Nelson. Is he a published geologist, where is he
employed.
If the IRC , then you have flawed material in your posession.
>go to Amazon.com and look up Universal Flood, and other similar titles
>and see what you come up with.
>It is typical of scientists who are ill educated to scoff at Creationism
>and the Universal Deluge, both of which are easily demonstratable.
If they are so easy to demonstrate, why doesn't everyone believe in the
myth?
>I DID find my copy of The Deluge Story In Stone.
>The author went to sites in Wyoming, Montana, Alberta, and Switzerland,
>and do***ented, with accompanying photographs, where the layers are in
>reverse order, with no evidence whatever of ****fting.
Was that the fold that is known to be in the western US, key word, fold?
>That is the order in which the sediment was deposited. With the large
>fossils on the bottom and the little ones on top. Suggestive of a
>universal flood, wouldn't you say?
NOt a geologist, & no I wouldn't say. Which way are the fossils lying,
are
they deposited or moved to the location involved.
>I have not visited these sites personally, but I have a good friend from
>my earlier church days, and seminary, Rev. Steve Estes, now a missionary
>in South America, who went to several of these sites personally as part
>of a seminary field trip. These reversed strata are there.
Reversed/folded strata are world wide, what is your question again?
>It really ticks me off, as it does other conservative Christians, when
>folks like you, with incomplete information, and incomplete education,
>make these preposterous statements about there being "no proof" of
>Creation, and "no proof" of a universal flood. If there were no proof,
>we would not believe these facts.
Been reading IRC handouts again?
>I for one am not a stupid person. I don't know many pastors who are
>stupid. Most of the pastors I have known the past 50 years have 4 or 5
>doctoral degrees after their names. You don't get those by being un-
educated or stupid or uninformed.
>How many doctor's degrees do you have after YOUR name?
Happy to say, I've yet to be educated beyond my means. Encountered many
who
have, not guilty yet. There is a difference between ignorant & stupid.
Ignorance can be cured, stupidity seems to be a life long affliction. As
to
degrees meaning anything beyond paper on a wall, am aware of many that
couldn't pour urine out of a boot if you told them there were directions
on
the bottom of the heel.
>prophet_jon
>
>Christopher M. Sharp wrote:
>
large snip involved.
>I am very uncomfortable with your attempt to "fit the Bible with
>science." Every time you hear a crunch, it's the Bible that has lost
>another foothold in your mind.prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
't worry, the bible & science won't jive, in as much as science is
continually shrinking the gap for the gods to hide in.
>
>> http://www.csharp.com/csharp
>
>
A smile is a whisper of a laugh.
The politically incorrect walksalone at ala net
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how sad, that you have lived all these years, in a world full of the
wonder of
God, and you have not found anything worthy of your awe or esteem
outside yourself.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> There is nothing outside of the self. Everything that happens, comes
through
> the self.
>
> In other words, everything begins with the self - whatever the self
allows.
>
> No one but the self is responsible for the way that we take up the
word, and
> no one but self, is responsible for our state of mind.
>
> Those who take up the word in a negative way, are those who will be in
a
> negative state of mind.
>
> The negative state of mind, is an adverse state - a no growth zone - a
state
> in which nothing good happens.
>
> It is a state in which we oppose our own true self - a state in which
we are
> our own worst enemy, and our foes, are those negative thoughts - in
which we
> are so blindly believing to be true and correct.
>
> It is a state of mind whereby the winds of adversity strike again and
again,
> until we are able to wake up.
>
> However, it is a long time before we catch those that are stealing
from us.
>
> It is our belief in those negative thoughts, that rob us of our mental
ability
> and keep our spirit imprisoned in the negative green state of mind.
>
> We blindly accept what outsiders tell us - without question.
>
> The negative words and belief in them, put us on the path of self-
destruction,
> but of course, we are not aware of this, because we are too busy with
the
> secular things.
>
> Whilst we are engaged in such matters, we fail to see what is happening
to
> our mind - how old and feeble it is growing. We fail to see, because we
fail
> to make time for ourselves - scarcely, if ever, do we spare a thought
for
> what maybe happening in our own life, or to the inner self.
>
> We fail to keep a close check on our mode of thinking, and the way in
which we
> are conducting our lives.
>
> We put everything and everyone else before us, and wonder why it is,
that we
> get a raw deal.
>
> We fail to realise our own good - because we are not there to see
ourselves as
> we really be.
>
> By believing in the negative we leave ourselves for dead - even though
we
> aren't dead.
>
> The negative words crucify us - whether we know it or not.
>
> We go on witch hunts, and we look to scalp those who would be our
friends - if
> we would allow.
>
> What we come to believe in by believing in the negative words, is
nothing more
> than an illusion, and it is our own belief in them, that strengthens
the
> illusion, and keeps us labouring under the illusion.
>
> We suffer spiritually, mentally and physically, whilst we are blindly
> believing in the negative words, but who can tell us?
>
> We know it all, so we just have to go on blindly believing until
something
> happens to make us stop and examine our attitude, belief, motive and
> behaviour.
>
> REGARDS
>
> CHRIS JAY
>
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more lies from the pits of hell
by that son of Satan
David Suiter.
caution, children,
the devil prowls, seeking weak souls to devour.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Mankind has a right to receive the gifts promised by the Living God.
>
> These gifts from God are knowledge, understanding, and wisdom; the
> knowledge and understanding of the greater ways and principles of God,
> and the wisdom to choose these as a way of life.
>
> Few of mankind have seen and understood this life which is lived in
> and by these principles of God. Because man has not seen nor
> understood this life, he places no great value on this life.
>
> Man has not seen nor understood this life, for man has not sought
> truth of this matter. Mankind has not sought truth of this matter
> because he has been led to believe he cannot find nor possess truth of
> this matter.
>
> The Living God does not require nor demand that mankind live this life
> He offers. God has merely given mankind an op****tunity to have and lve
> this life. Man is free to live life as he now does, and reject the
> offer from God.
>
> How does the life offered by God differ from the life man now lives?
>
> These lives differ according to the difference in the principles
> between God and mankind. By certain principles, a way of life is
> established. A principle is a law, or a "way" which when followed,
> brings certain results.
>
> One may love a child as God loves, giving for the needs of the child,
> that which is good for the childs development. Another may use and
> abuse the child for self indulgence or murder the child for the same
> reason. Each of these two follow certain principles; ways of living;
> ways of "doing things."
>
> Another one of man may gather riches by the principles of lying,
> deceiving, and cheating others. Yet another may live in poverty
> because he refuses to follow these principles.
>
> If the entirety of life was lived in the physical body, then indeed
> the physical body would be the object of desire, to indulge and
> please. But life in the physical body is merely a moment when compared
> to the ongoing life in spirit without the physical body.
>
> Mankind is a group of people who live a life while in the physical
> body, then passing on from this physical body. All substance and
> matter required for the needs of the physical body are provided by the
> physical environment.
>
> By the principle of God, all have their needs met. By the principle of
> man, many do not. The government of man allows a few to control the
> many, abusing the rights of the many to live life as God gives.
>
> Because the many have been led to believe they are helpless victims
> who cannot help themselves, life as man has established life,
> continues.
>
> When the many are told Truth of God; that they may learn of and live
> the life offered by the Living God; they learn the way in and by which
> they may be self governing and throw off the rule and government of
> the evil ones who oppress and abuse the m*****, including the
> governing religions.
>
> Religion of man is used as a way to keep the m***** from knowing the
> Truth of God. It is used by the governments of man for religion is of
> these same governments, following these same principles which are not
> of God.
>
> Religion leads the m***** to believe man cannot ask and receive life
> from the Living God. Religion teaches man to remain as blind sheep,
> and they, the religious leaders, being the blind shepherds.
>
> The religious heads and leaders live in excess of wealth as their
> government provides for them. These live a life as the heads of
> government live a life, provided by the labor and giving of the
> m*****.
>
> The needs of the people are not met by the religious and government
> laws, for these laws are not the laws of God.
>
> By the laws and principles of religion and government, man is being
> led into self destruction, for mankind is rapidly destroying his
> physical environment which is necessary for physical life.
>
> As mankind depletes his needed sources for physical life, all
> government shall fall, for each of mankind shall seek to save his life
> by following the inate law of self survival. Because mankind has
> destroyed, and continues to destroy, there shall soon be insuffiency
> to provide for the needs of all. Man shall compete against fellow man
> for the needs of physical life using the principles of self survival
> which are the laws of the beasts, who now live by these principles.
> Kill or be killed.
>
> Such is the end of the way of life which religion and government of
> mankind has chosen to follow.
>
> There is an alternative. There is the life offered by the Living God.
> In this life, man is able to use his mind to prevent his extinction.
> He is able to cease his destruction of his physical environment. He is
> able to feed to hungry, clothe the ****d, nourish his young, aid the
> ill. He is able to live in and by the principles of God.
>
> For all who receive this life from God, these are able to live a life
> of peace, love, and joy, with each other. It is a life where all work
> together for the well being of all. It is a life where all work
> together for the good, seeing and understanding what is good for
> mankind, electing to have this good.
>
> Mankind, by himself, cannot create this life for he does not know nor
> understand the principles required for the establishment of this life;
> this way of living. He must learn these principles. He must see how
> his life will be better by following these principles. He must choose
> to learn and obey these principles in order to have and live this
> life.
>
> If man chooses this life from God, he must destroy the principles
> which are not of God from his social order. From the Living God comes
> the means by which mankind may destroy these wrong principles which
> have created the life mankind now lives.
>
> The weapon given man by God for the destruction of these principles
> not of God is His Truth. The Truth is given mankind in great depths of
> knowledge and understanding. Each and everyone of mankind is seen by
> God in true equality and is able to come to receive this Truth.
>
> In order for mankind as a whole to be able to live by the principles
> of God, each individual must first receive the Truth from the Livng
> God; learn the principles of God; and willingly learn to obey these
> principles. Collectively, the m***** may individually do this and when
> finished, shall be the many who have overcome the evil of this world;
> shall be the many who have elected the Kingdom of God as a social
> order; as a way of life.
>
> Understand that it was by the principles of religion and government of
> man, Jesus of Nazareth was crucified. So also, the prophets of God and
> the true servants of God, who brought His Word which declared His
> offer to teach man this life He offers. These evil ones were in
> control of the affairs of mankind by keeping mankind subject to the
> ruler****p and control of religion.
>
> Those in control and power have kept mankind from the Living God by
> murdering the true ones of God and removing these and their teachings
> from the social order of mankind. In and by this, mankind has been
> kept separated from the Living God; separated from the Truth of God
> which sets man free from these who rule and control the m***** by
> their principles and laws, which are not of God, but are in great
> conflict with the laws and principles of God.
>
> As long as mankind believes life is only that which is lived in the
> physical body, the current laws and principles of mankind shall be the
> life mankind lives. When mankind learns of ongoing life after
> separating from the physical body, he shall desire to know and
> understand this ongoing life. Only then will he listen and hear the
> true servants of God who teach the way in and by which mankind may
> learn the Truth of these matters. Only then will mankind enter into
> and follow the way in and by which he is taught Truth by the Living
> God; the way of Spirit; the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> When mankind reaches a certain degree of pain and sorrow from the life
> he lives, and is unable to alter or change this life, then he shall
> call out to God. This degree of pain and sorrow shall come as is
> already experienced by many. Each day, more and more experience this
> pain and sorrow in their life for the principles mankind has elected
> and established for this way of life guarantee the pain and sorrow for
> all.
>
> It is and has been, love of money and what money buys, that is the
> foundational law and principle used by those who govern mans social
> order, including the religions. Money buys physical objects to possess
> which give man physical comfort and pleasure. In order to obtain
> possession of money, man has elected certain principles to follow
> which allow him to obtain and possess money. These principles include
> the principles of lying, deceiving, and cheating others of mankind.
> These principles become the law for mankind to follow; law established
> by those in power and authority over others of mankind.
>
> In this, is found the reality of the enemy who comes to steal and rob
> from mankind, the life of God which is the peace, love, and joy in
> living. The enemy of God is any principle which stands against the
> principles of God.
>
> These principles are not allowed in the life God lives nor the life
> the righteous live who have passed on from the physical body.
> Whosoever lives by these principles which are not of God shall not
> dwell with God nor the family of God when passing on from the physical
> body.
>
> None shall dwell with God unless learning the principles of God;
> unless coming into obedience to these principles by knowledge and
> understanding, and willful choosing of these principles.
>
> In not knowing this truth, mankind follows the laws of the religions
> which are lies and deceptions, teaching man he shall dwell with God
> when in truth, he shall not. Man cannot make himself "righteous" and
> the unrighteous shall not dwell with God for these are the lawbreakers
> who violate the law of God and would attempt to convert others to
> their ways. As a convicted murderer is not allowed to "run loose" or
> live with others of mankind in man's social order, the unrighteous
> ones are not allowed to live with those who are of God. It is the law
> of God which He enforces with total impartiallity; without respect of
> individual persons; but with respect to righteousness and
> unrighteousness, which are judged by the principles and laws of God as
> to what is right and what is wrong in regards to "life" and the living
> of life.
>
> One of the greatest errors of mankind is to not look ahead to the time
> when his physical body shall surely die. Mankind is taught by the
> religions to not look ahead to this time except with fear and dread.
> Man does so because of the teachings of religion which declares this
> to be "death." It is not death but a time of separation from the
> physical body which is according to the principles and laws
> established by the Living God. It is not a "bad" thing but a good
> thing established by God for if man remained in the physical body he
> could never join and dwell with the Living God who is Spirit; who does
> not dwell in a physical body. If life in the physical body was the
> better way of life, God would dwell in the physical body.
>
> In Truth of God man must see and understand the purpose of the
> physical body as designed by God. It is merely a "womb" within which,
> the mind and spirit is developed, reaching maturity at the time of
> separation from the physical body, even as the physical child must
> develop before coming out of the womb.
>
> So it is, the Truth of God and the lies of mankind. Each determines a
> life and the way of life each brings. Life is lived by law and
> principle. The life of God is separate and apart from the life mankind
> lives according to his social order which now "is."
>
> The tribulation in the life man now lives shall increase greatly for
> it is inevitable according to the principles mankind follows. What
> mankind labels "social ills" and "mental disorders" and "criminal
> activity" is the reality of this tribulation. Mankind names this
> "stress." Stress comes from conflict. Conflict comes from opposing
> principles.
>
> Mankind offers more and more mind altering drugs and the building of
> more prisons as the only soloution to his problems. Law after law is
> promulgated by mankind which is ineffective in correcting these
> problems. These laws and these principles are not of God and cannot
> correct these problems, for these problems are created by mankind who
> has elected to follow the principles which have created these
> problems. If mankind is left to himself, he shall destroy himself.
>
> Now comes the understanding of the power of God who has declared He
> shall not allow this to happen. It is within the power of God, to
> "save" mankind from himself by teaching mankind principles which allow
> mankind to live a life without these problems. Mankind has not seen
> nor heard the Truth of the Living God in and by which the principles
> of God come to mankind in His Word and teachings. In and by these
> alone, man receives his life from the Living God, both now and when
> passing on, which all shall surely do.
>
> For this reason, the Living God is raising up His true servants;
> teachings these His Truth; so these may give this Truth to others
> concerning the way in and by which all mankind may know the Truth from
> God and be set free from this life created by the evil ones of man's
> governments and religions.
>
> It is this true servant who has given you this word.
> DW Suiter
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here is the anti-Christ Satan David Suiter, again, people.
Don't listen to his lies. He is from the pits of hell.
prophet_jon
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wrote:
> The Christ of God is not of man nor man's religions nor sects, but of
> God. Christ comes to be by the works of the Living God.
Christ was the title given Jesus, the Son of God (Incarnate God--Deity in
flesh) who was born of Mary in a little town called Bethlehem as recorded
in the Gospels.
>
>
> Jesus of Nazareth followed the Word and teachings given him by the
> Living God, becoming the spiritual Son of God. This Son is not a
> creation of man nor man's religious teachings; not Judaism nor
> Christianity.
Jesus of Nazareth/Bethlehem gollowed the Word and teaching given Him by
His Father, the Living God, yes. But since Jesus was God, these were His
teachings/words.He didn't "become the son of God." He was God from
eternity past.
i.e., Genesis 1: Let us make man in our image. Jesus/the Son was there
from the beginning. He pre-exists, just like God the Father and God the
Spirit, who also appears in Genesis 1: The Spirit of God moved
prophet_jon
>
>
> "Christ" is the anointed of God; not the anointed of man's religious
> doctrines and teachings.
>
> Jesus of Nazareth was obedient to the laws of God; not the laws of
> Judaism. Jesus of Nazareth would not be obedient to the laws of
> "Christianity."
Jesus of Nazareth founded the laws of Christianity. Any "laws" He did not
found as Yahweh of the Bible are not Christian.such phony manmade laws
are
such as
don't drink coffee
don't eat meat on Friday
don't wor****p on Sunday
these laws are man made true enough.
and Jesus didn't give us these man-made laws.
For the most famous list of the laws Jesus endorsed, see the 10
Commandments
He also gave us laws in the New Testament
When His disciples asked Him which were the most im****tant laws, He
responded,
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart" or words to that efffect.
"Love your neighbor as yourself." He added.
"If you do these things, you have fulfilled the law." Jesus said.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Such is the true Gospel of Christ, taught by the true Christ of God.
> DW Suiter
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I think you probably know YOUR destination.
I believe it's presumptious for you to speak for anyone else.
I am not going to hell. I am going to Heaven.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wolfe wrote:
> I think we are all going to hell. What do you think about that ?
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if you have ever had your wife suck on them or lick them, they give you
INTENSE pleasure, as such gives your wife when you suck or lick HER
nipples.
I believe God gave men nipples for this purpose. ***ual pleasure.
When my 1st ex-wife sucked and licked and bit my nipples during
intercourse, it helped me climax. And it was a VERY INTENSE climax.
(and some believe 1. God doesn't believe in pleasure 2. Christians can't
have fun)
nonsense! ;-)
For those of you who don't believe this is appropriate conversation for
this NG, I ask why not? We are adults. I am not describing fornication
or adultery. I was discussing marital ***.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Timothy F. Mulligan wrote:
> Why did God give men nipples?
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we are not put through the tribulation and made to suffer for our
faith, we
will be the 1st generation of believers who did not have to suffer for
their
faith.
I am already, today, being persecuted for my Christianity.
It is happening today in America.
And it must get worse.
The Apostles were all put to death for their faith in Jesus.
Are we better than Peter and Paul?
Are we better than Stephen, who was stoned?
Richard Vizzutti wrote:
> Boy are you people going to beg for death to come.What a cruel God you
> serve? I am not just trying to be smart here either. I mean it. Are all
of
> you with the Militia? Again I am not trying to be a smart mouth here.
> Jesus is coming soon for His bride. He is not going to let the world
and
> the beast rape her first. Why would God want to pour out his anger on
his
> own children along with the devil's? The Bible says that the coming
wrath
> will be the worst punishment of all.
And the Bible clearly says that the purest gold is the gold that is
tested in
the hottest fire.
>
>
> This will be the greatest horror God has ever released onto the world!
He
> protected the Jews through the Red Sea.
How many millions of Jews were murdered for being Jews during the Third
Reich?
> He protected and called out lot.
> He protected Noah. Now you all are telling me that he won't protect us
> from the greatest wrath and horror ever known?
Not necessarily, no.
> Your God is cruel. Will you
> enjoy watching your loved ones go through all the horrors of
Revelation?
Enjoy it? No. But I believe the day may come when the police come to my
door
with drawn pistols and ask if I'm a Christian. If I say "yes", I believe
I
will be executed on the spot. I can only hope the 2nd Coming happens
first,
because when / if I am faced with this situation, I frankly don't know
what I
will do. Before I had a son, I said I'd confess and be shot. Now that I'm
a
dad, and my boy doesn't live with me, I have an intense self-preservation
instinct to "be here for my son."
> God called Lot and his family out before destruction, and I believe I
and
> others will be called to be with Christ very soon as He takes us out to
be
> with Him.
I hope you're right. But I don't believe we will necessarily be spared.
Look
at Foxe's Book of Martyrs. Martyrdom is entirely scriptural.Do you know
that,
in the past 2 centuries, America was/is one of the few countries on this
planet where Christians were not executed or severely persecuted for
our/their
faith?
When I lived in Los Angeles, I prayed for 5 years for the father of a
Cuban
church friend. She had gotten out, but her father had been imprisoned for
18
years for being a Christian. When he was told to quit preaching, he
refused,
and he was imprisoned for his faith.
He is a free man, a miracle of God. But he suffered for his faith.
And you are naive to believe otherwise.
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Then the judgement wrath of God will begin on the kingdom of the
> beast. -Rick-
>
> --
> *KENNEDY and BEYOND*
> http://www.angelfire.com/me/carcano/index.html
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that I have heard my entire life
1. that this psalm, like 21 and 23, is Messianic.
then people like you come along and challenge that interpretation.
What give you the right?
2. that many prophesies were not understood by the prophet.
Daniel is an excellent example. He asked the angel what the prophesy
meant.
The angel said essentially, "It's not for you to know."
It is presumptious on your part to think David even understood that he
was
writing a prophesy.
Yet verses in Psalm 22 present a graphic picture of what being crucified
was like.
From the inside.
Curt van den Heuvel wrote:
> Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
I seem to recall Jesus saying these words from the cross.What do you
mean,
this is not prophesy?
> why art thou so
> far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
I can imagine Jesus having these thoughts as He hung there.
> Psalm 22:7-8 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out
> the lip, they shake the head,
I can imagine this happening too. I'm sure the Romans got a good laugh
that this local yokel who they had heard called himself God bled and died
just like any other man.
> saying, He trusted on the Lord that he
> would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
I seem to recall these words being said by several taunters standing
there, watching Jesus die.
> Psalm 22:16,18 For dogs have compassed me:
Boy, are you showing your ignorance here! It is common knowledge that the
Jews considered all non-Jews "dogs". Jesus was referring to the non-Jews
in this verse. Whether He uttered the words or not, we can believe He
thought them. Not all gentiles were dogs. But I'm sure Jesus had a moment
when he would have/could have/might have referred to the gentiles who
crucified him as "dogs". We'd probaby call men who did this to us "s***"
today, tho I've heard Monica referred to as a "woof woof" more than once.
> the assembly of the wicked
> have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
What's the question here? As I recall, Jesus' hands and feet WERE
pierced.You beg the question when you exclaim, "a coincidence".
When this was written, crucifixion was unheard of as a form of execution.
> ..They part my
> garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
And they did. Another prophesy directly fulfilled. God put these thoughts
into David's mind. David may have not even known where the thoughts came
from, but he wrote them down. I don't recall reading anywhere that any of
this happened to David. When were David's hands and feet pierced? When
did
anyone cast lots for David's clothing?prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> If the Christian interpretation is to hold, one wonders how verse 10
> is to be resolved. The psalmist here states that God was with him from
> the moment of his birth. This makes sense for a purely human
> protagonist, but it is hard to reconcile with the notion of a
> pre-existent, divine Messiah.
>
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzprophet_
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> To sum up, then, we have several problems: first, there is no
> indication that this psalm was intended to be prophetic. It follows
> the theme and structure of a number of David's other Songs of
> Deliverance. Second, the psalm does not unambiguously refer to
> crucifixion. There are other interpretations, which better fit the
> context of the poem. Finally, there are elements of the psalm that
> cannot easily be applied to Jesus. The bottom line is that this is
> simply one more Old Testament passage that was abused by the New
> Testament writers.
>
> -Curt
>
> http://www.primenet.com/~heuvelc
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Here he is again, ladies, gentlemen, one of Satan's liars.
David Suiter.
Let's get something very clear.
The same anti-Christ voices have been railing ever since the Lord
ascended
into heaven, well how will we know when He comes back? How can we not be
fooled?
Jesus and the apostles all answered this question, so that we who need to
know would not be fooled.
He warned us that many would come claiming to be Himm before He would
return.
But He promised us that, the Moment He returns, the entire planet will
know it is Him.
There will be no doubt in any one's mind that He is The Lord of Hosts,
the
King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, God Almighty in Human Form, the 2nd
Coming of The Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain and rose again the 3rd
day.
That is the proof. He will come in such power and majesty that it will be
perfectly obvious to all mankind in one moment in time, "Ah, This is The
Lord!"
That hasn't happened yet.
So don't let this Satanic Liar mislead you.
prophet_jon
By the way, so that you all know who I am, numerous people have
complained
to me that they consider me a modern day prophet of the Lord, ( I speak
with authority and I don't apologize or get it wrong often), and they
felt
I should use a more appropriate title than John_seeks.
I have chosen prophet_jon. So none will feel deceived, prophet_jon and
john_seeks are one and the same. I don't think/believe it matters who I
really am. But for those of you who would like to be able to identify me
in some way, I have taken the name prophet_jon. I don't consider myself
anyone terribly special. I just know a lot about the Bible and its
history. There certainly are those who know more. But I have been their
student these 50 years, and since many of them are no longer among us to
share with you, I believe it's fair to say I have been "chosen" to take
up
the torch. I don't consider this a point of pride. I speak from the heart
that I want you to know where I am coming from.
There will always be those who will disagree. I remind you that the Lord
Himself had His detractors. Paul had his detractors, Peter had his.
Remember Stephen was stoned to death while preaching.
Peace, the King is Coming Very Soon!
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> So you look for the Christ of God; you wait and watch. You have heard
> it said, Christ shall come again and shall be seen.
>
> You have heard many words from many of mankind, explaining this
> matter. You have heard many opinions as to who and what Christ is.
>
> Christ is the anointed one of God. How are you able to determine who
> is the anointed of God? What is the anointing of God that you would be
> able to see and know this anointing?
>
> What is it you look for? Do you await a physical apparition which you
> believe shall be Christ? Do you wait for someone to physically walk on
> water and float through the air? Someone who will raise up physical
> bodies from the physical death?
>
> Have you ever considered how Christ came to mankind in previous times?
> And what do you know of this matter?
> Consider the Father of Jesus of Nazareth; the True and Faithful Living
> God. Consider Him who was given praise and honor by Jesus of Nazareth.
> Consider Him whom Jesus of Nazareth declared you must come to; you
> must ask and receive from. Consider Him whom Jesus spoke of saying He
> is greater than I am. Consider, and meditate, and understand who is
> calling you; asking you to come to Him.
>
> DW Suiter
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Here he is again, ladies, gentlemen, one of Satan's liars.
<BR>David Suiter.
<BR>Let's get something very clear.
<BR>The same anti-Christ voices have been railing ever since the Lord
ascended
into heaven, well how will we know when He comes back? How can we not be
fooled?
<BR>Jesus and the apostles all answered this question, so that we who
need
to know would not be fooled.
<BR>He warned us that many would come claiming to be Himm before He would
return.
<BR>But He promised us that, the Moment He returns, the entire planet
will
know it is Him.
<BR>There will be no doubt in any one's mind that He is The Lord of
Hosts,
the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, God Almighty in Human Form, the 2nd
Coming of The Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain and rose again the 3rd
day.
<BR>That is the proof. He will come in such power and majesty that it
will
be perfectly obvious to all mankind in one moment in time, "Ah, This is
The Lord!"
<BR>That hasn't happened yet.
<BR>So don't let this Satanic Liar mislead you.
<BR>prophet_jon
<BR><B>B</B>y the way, so that you all know who I am, numerous people
have
complained to me that they consider me a modern day prophet of the Lord,
( I speak with authority and I don't apologize or get it wrong often),
and they felt I should use a more appropriate title than John_seeks.
<BR>I have chosen prophet_jon. So none will feel deceived, prophet_jon
and john_seeks are one and the same. I don't think/believe it matters who
I really am. But for those of you who would like to be able to identify
me in some way, I have taken the name prophet_jon. I don't consider
myself
anyone terribly special. I just know a lot about the Bible and its
history.
There certainly are those who know more. But I have been their student
these 50 years, and since many of them are no longer among us to share
with you, I believe it's fair to say I have been "chosen" to take up the
torch. I don't consider this a point of pride. I speak from the heart
that
I want you to know where I am coming from.
<P>There will always be those who will disagree. I remind you that the
Lord Himself had His detractors. Paul had his detractors, Peter had his.
Remember Stephen was stoned to death while preaching.
<P>Peace, the King is Coming Very Soon!
<BR>prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>gen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>So you look for the Christ of God; you wait and
watch.
You have heard
<BR>it said, Christ shall come again and shall be seen.
<P>You have heard many words from many of mankind, explaining this
<BR>matter. You have heard many opinions as to who and what Christ is.
<P>Christ is the anointed one of God. How are you able to determine who
<BR>is the anointed of God? What is the anointing of God that you would
be
<BR>able to see and know this anointing?
<P>What is it you look for? Do you await a physical apparition which you
<BR>believe shall be Christ? Do you wait for someone to physically walk
on
<BR>water and float through the air? Someone who will raise up physical
<BR>bodies from the physical death?
<P>Have you ever considered how Christ came to mankind in previous times?
<BR>And what do you know of this matter?
<BR>Consider the Father of Jesus of Nazareth; the True and Faithful
Living
<BR>God. Consider Him who was given praise and honor by Jesus of
Nazareth.
<BR>Consider Him whom Jesus of Nazareth declared you must come to; you
<BR>must ask and receive from. Consider Him whom Jesus spoke of saying
He
<BR>is greater than I am. Consider, and meditate, and understand who is
<BR>calling you; asking you to come to Him.
<P>DW Suiter</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Actually, I just heard a news story about this subject a few months ago.
There has been a 10 fold ( I believe taht was the correct #) increase in
earthquakes these past 100 years over previous history. The earth is
trying to tell
us something.
Read Revelation about the increase of natural disasters.
prophet_jon
Ellcs wrote:
> Thank you for that info but there are earthquakes on this planet large
and
> small EVERY day. The only differance between now and 200 years ago is
we have
> the means to detect them and publisize them worldwide in an instant.
This makes
> it seem like there are more of them more often.
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> http://member.aol.com/ellcs/elliott/elliott.htm
alt.bible.prophecy > "God's Time"? (Near Means Near) - View Parsed
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Well, Scott, obviously "behold I come quickly" doesn't mean what you
want to believe it means because He hasn't come back yet, has He?
Or did I miss it?
He DID say what He meant by "behold I come quickly" in the very next
phrase, "like a thief in the night".
The thief doesn't announce his arrival. He's in and out in a couple of
minutes if he's a smart thief.
prophet_jon
heb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> NAB Zephaniah 1:14 Near is the great
> day of the LORD, Near and coming
> very quickly; Listen, the day of the
> LORD! In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
> 15 A day of wrath is that day, A day of
> trouble and distress, A day of
> destruction and desolation, A day of
> darkness and gloom, A day of clouds
> and thick darkness,
>
> Zephaniah prophecied just prior to the Babylonian captivity.
> In fact, the captivity occurred within his lifetime. To him,
> "near" and "coming quickly" meant within one generation.
>
> When Zephaniah prophecied that the Day of the Lord was
> "near" and "coming very quickly," it meant just that. It was
> not an event that would occur millennia into the future.
>
> When God spoke through Zephaniah, He spoke according to
> man's reckoning of time, not some mysterious "God time."
>
> There is no reason to believe that when God told John that
> the fulfillment of the prophecies in Revelation were "near"
> and "coming quickly," that He meant 2000 years would pass
> before they would be fulfilled.
>
> Scott
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Subject: Re: The Times Of The Gentiles
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corneli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> In article <tcpnntpd.18.9.27.0.13.26.2313078920.937...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> <wurlit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > -=> Quoting In:cbsg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> > In> After what 1000 years? According to your mistaken theory it is
> > In> now - the second one 1000 years or so overdue!
> >
> > Yes! After WHAT 1000 years? I must agree with this, and in
addition, I put
> > forth that I can find no place in the Bible that refers to a 1000-
year
> > period of any sort.
> >
You're kidding! What Bible are you reading?I see 1,000 years mentioned 3
times in
3 verses.
Rev 20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the
bottomless pit and
a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2
And he seized the dragon (Satan, the Beast, the anti-Christ), that old
serpent,
which is the Tempter and Satan, who deceived the whole world, and bound
him A
THOUSAND YEARS.
Rev 20:3
And cast him (Satan) into the bottomless pit and shut him up an d set a
seal over
him, that he shold no more deceive the nations until the THOUSAND years
should be
past; aftert that he will be loosed for a short time.
Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones and those who sat upon them, and judgment was given to
them; and
the souls of those who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the
word of
God and who had not wor****pped the wild beast, neither his image, nor had
received
his mark upon their foreheads or on their hand, lived and reigned with
their
Christ these thousand years.
The Pe****a Translation (1st C. Coptic Bible)
prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Wurly.
> Peter and Barnabas wrote of 1000 years being as 1 day to God.
> Now God created all things in 6 days and rested on the 7th.
> Adam and Eve began God's plan of salvation 6000 years ago.
> Abraham journeyed west to Israel 4000 years ago.
> Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins 2000 years ago.
> The age of the gentiles will last 2000 years.
> Jesus reigns on earth as King for 1000 years (the day of rest).
> My best research puts the date of Jesus' crucifixion on
> Friday, April 3, 33 AD. So, according to the 6 day theory,
> the age of the gentiles will end in 2033 AD. The seven years
> of tribulation will end in 2040 AD, bringing in the 1000 year
> reign of Christ on earth. After this, the devil is released for
> a little season. Then the Great White Throne of Judgement.
> That about sums it up. This is just a theory, but in my humble
> opinion, a darn good one.
>
> Cornelius
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alt.bible.prophecy > Prophets of DOOM - View Parsed
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Subject: Re: Prophets of DOOM
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Well, well, well, we have it in black and white.
Jesus has been called a liar. I wonder if you'll have the nerve to call
Him
that to His face when you see Him. ???
prophet_jon
Joshua wrote:
> >Not the generation he was speaking *to*. 'This generation' he was
> >referring to is the generation that was to later actually *see* these
> >things he was speaking of. Do you remember he also told them it was
> >not for them to know *of* the things he was speaking? Just to write it
> >down *for* a later generation.
>
> ah so it was basically a play on prepositions, right? how cute...it
> would have been a lot easier if jesus came out with the truth instead
> of using little tiny prepositions to mask what he is really saying.
alt.bible.prophecy > THE PERFECT WORD OF GOD - View Parsed
From: prophet_jon <prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I must ask why He would only speak to a few of you, and not the rest of
us?
Beware of "new revelations" that contradict old ones.
I am not saying your "new revelation" contradicts.
I'm saying, "beware that your "new revelation" does NOT contradict the
old."
prophet_jon
JAMES MCCAULEY wrote:
> If any one knows about the following things please contact me. God is
> moving and I think he is speaking to more people around the world
besides
> me.
>
> LAMB, THE SAME, GOD: WHERE THESE THREE WORDS IN HEBREW CONNECT TO EACH
> OTHER WITH FIRST AND LAST LETTERS.
>
> GOD, HEART, SON: WHERE THESE THREE WORDS IN HEBREW CONNECT TO EACH
OTHER
> WITH THE FIRST AND LAST LETTERS.
>
> IF YOU KNOW THE ABOVE: GOD MAY HAVE SHOWN YOU THE AMAZING THING THAT
> HAPPENED WITH THE STOCK MARKET ON AUGUST 31, 1998. AND YOU KNOW THE
REASON
> IT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY.
>
> Please if you know of these things please contact me at this e-mail
address:
> mccau...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> THE PERFECT WORD OF GOD - View Parsed
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I must ask why He would only speak to a few of you, and not the rest of
us?
Beware of "new revelations" that contradict old ones.
I am not saying your "new revelation" contradicts.
I'm saying, "beware that your "new revelation" does NOT contradict the
old."
prophet_jon
JAMES MCCAULEY wrote:
> If any one knows about the following things please contact me. God is
> moving and I think he is speaking to more people around the world
besides
> me.
>
> LAMB, THE SAME, GOD: WHERE THESE THREE WORDS IN HEBREW CONNECT TO EACH
> OTHER WITH FIRST AND LAST LETTERS.
>
> GOD, HEART, SON: WHERE THESE THREE WORDS IN HEBREW CONNECT TO EACH
OTHER
> WITH THE FIRST AND LAST LETTERS.
>
> IF YOU KNOW THE ABOVE: GOD MAY HAVE SHOWN YOU THE AMAZING THING THAT
> HAPPENED WITH THE STOCK MARKET ON AUGUST 31, 1998. AND YOU KNOW THE
REASON
> IT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY.
>
> Please if you know of these things please contact me at this e-mail
address:
> mccau...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I am Christ and I am the Messiah - View Parsed
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Michael wrote:
> Amedee wrote:
>
> > Jesus was not Christ, as most of you believe. Jesus was the Son of
Man.
The Son of Man was one of His titles. The Son of God was another of His
titles.
Christ was another of His titles.
> > When he made the voluntary choice to let emerge Christ in Him, He has
> > become Jesus-Christ, the Son of God.
The Angel told Mary that she would give birth to He who would safe the
people
from our sins. He was incarnate from the moment of His conception.
Remember when
the pregnant Mary went to visit her cousin Martha, the mother of John the
Baptist, and John moved in Martha's womb. Martha acknowledged His
Lord****p that
very day. Long before He was ever born.Remember when He went to Jerusalem
at the
tender age of 12, and He confounded the scholars. He was already God.
> >
> > And Christ has never been Jesus, but It was revealed in Him by the
will of
> > Jesus for sacrifice.
You are a heretic, and you blaspheme.
> >
> > For actually Christ is within each of us !
No, Christ only indwells those of us who invite Him to indwell us. And
nowhere in
scripture do you see any refernce to our "asking Jesus to come into our
life and
be our Savior."No.
The Bible clearly states that
"If we confess that Jesus is Lord, and if we believe that God raised Him
from the
dead, we shall be saved."
We call upon Jesus to be our Lord! We believe that God raised Him from
the dead.
We are then "saved".
> > Christ is the divinity which lies in Man !
This is true AFTER we have invited Him into our life as our Lord, and He
comes
into our being and becomes our Savior.
> > Christ is eternal, not Man.
Our soul is eternal, whether we believe in Christ or not. We spend our
eternity
in Heaven as we choose, or we spend our eternity in hell, as we choose.
By the lies you are telling, I will guess you have chosen hell as your
final
destination.
> >
> > This is why I tell you again, Jesus, just as each of you, was the Son
of
> > Man.
no. Jesus was/is the unique only begotten Son of God, the 2nd person of
the
Tri-Unity, very God of Very God. He was capable of raising the dead, of
healing
the lepers with a touch; he alone walked on water. He alone rose from the
dead by
His own power.You think we forget these vital proofs of His Deity. We
don't
forget.
> > Jesus-Christ is the Son of God, and this is the potential of every
human
> > being !
Jesus is the unique third part of the Triune God, which we can never
be.We can
become God's sons. Jesus was/is God in flesh, equal to the Father in
every way.
We can never be that.
>
>
> I do not believe that you are the messiah. However, your interesting
view on
> Jesus Christ does make it easier for me to begin to accept that he
could have
> been the messiah.
Don't be misled by this false prophet.prophet_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A Father's Right - View Parsed
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I am trying to organize a grass roots campaign and take this whole rotten
custody mess to the United States Supreme Court.
If you had not heard, custody is a Civil Rights issue, and the United
States
Supreme Court specializes in Civil Rights issues.
You need not go through a lengthy process to have the U.S. Supreme Court
hear
your case.
I am planning to go to the U.S. Supreme Court in about a year, as soon as
I can
get my case prepped and submitted.
Any who would
1. like to join me in Wa****ngton, D.C.
2. like more information
3. like to give me more information on YOUR casse
is/are invited to write to me.
angry...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
would also help if you could find it in your heart to send me $5 or
$10 to
defray my expenses at this point.
I am retired/disabled on Social Security (learning disabled/bi-polar)
which is
a large part of why I lost my son to begin with. (This sounds strangely
like
discrimination, and a violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act to
me
;-) )
I need
1. a car
2. work
3. a home to which to take my son once I get him back.
At the very least at the moment, I need $$$ to get my files copied/sent
to the
Supreme Court.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
And it will help me/us to get to D.C. to the Supreme Court that much
faster.
Thanks.
john
angry...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I have not spoken to my son for 5 months, not through lack of trying on
my
> behalf. I have called him unsucessfully 4 times a week. I do not know
> where he is living, except that he attends an elementary school in
Ontario.
> I am at my wits end, I miss my son, and I want to go back to court.....
> does anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated > Strange Custody Mediation-Calif. - View
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send me more details of your story.
I am planning to take this B S regarding custody to Wa****ngton D.C. to
the U.S.
Supreme Court.
You can
1. give me particulars of your case.
2. go with me to D.C.
and plead your case to the U.S. Supreme Court
angry...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> My story....
>
> 'SO became pregnant and moved from her home to mine, in anticipation
> of forming a home/family for our child.
>
> Two months before child is born, SO moves out because I won't marry her
> (BPD problem and lots of debt).
>
> I initiate custody and paternity motion. Visitation rulings are put on
hold
> pending venue dispute. I prevail in venue motion.
>
> Case finally goes to mediation, after several attempts of denying
access
> for visitation of our infant child.
>
> Court appoints mediator (mandatory in Calif.)
>
> Mediator suggests, because mother has moved 115 miles away, that the
> mediation is done *over the telephone*.
>
> I can't believe this is happening. The fate of my son and our
relation****p
> is going to be made in a telephone interview with a mediator that will
never
> meet either one of us. 'Talked to my attorney, we're suggesting
private
> mediation but 'don't know if the other side will agree to it. I have
no
> idea how the mediator will rule or what his biases are.
>
> Has anyone ever run in to this mediation practice before? 'Any
suggestions?
>
> This seems like an awfully im****tant issue to be discussed and
concluded
> over a telephone.
>
> b.
alt.bible.prophecy > The pre-trib & mid-trib lie - View Parsed
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wrote:
> The pre-tribulation lie.
>
> It is a lie of the devil that Jesus is coming to get us before the
> tribulation.
nonsense, turtledove2, it is only a difference of opinion. I don't see
how it
matters.
> The devil wants us Christians to think that.
lighten up.
> He wants us to
> doubt the Lord and the bible and our salvation. When the tribulation
begins
> and the anti-christ government rules, then them Christians that believe
in
> the pre- tribulation rapture will doubt the Lord and His word and maybe
even
> doubt their own salvation. Thus, the devil will prosper when he gets
back
> those Christian souls.
oh? So you don't believe in eternal security? So you believe if any of us
doubts
for amoment, then we lose our salvation?
I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!
He is able to keep that which is commited unto Him until that day.
forget the old hym
For I know whom I have beleived,
and am persuaded that He is able
to keep that which I've committed
unto Him against that day.
There is a reason we sing these hymns of old. They
1. teach us essential Bible truths.
2. remind us of those truths when _____'s like you would shake us up.
>
>
> That is why we must stand up against the pre-tribulation and mid-
tribulation
> rubbish, so that we can help strengthen Christian souls.
strengthen all you like. But don't condemn to perdition those who1. don't
agree
with you
2. have doubts sometimes
>
>
> Jesus comes back at the last TRUMPET in the CLOUDS, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
the
> tribulation and the DEAD rise first.
And you leave no room whatever for any disagreement? The Bible says that
even the
Apostlesdisagreed amongst themselves at times. Are you saying you know
more than
the 12? I doubt that
seriously.
> Then we which are alive and remain after
> the tribulation will get caught up together with the DEAD in Christ in
the
> CLOUDS. PRAISE THE LORD.
perhaps. perhaps not. And it doesnt' matter, frankly. Look at Rev 3:3 and
at Rev
16:15The point is, be ready!
>
>
> The last trumpet goes off in Revelation 11 when the two prophets get
raised
> from the DEAD in the CLOUDS at the LAST TRUMPET. Then we which are
alive and
> remain shall be caught up with THEM. PRAISE THE LORD.
And what if you're mis-interpreting? Now I admit that I agree with most
of the
scriptures you're quoting.But what if we're wrong? Is that possible? Do
you leave
ANY room for discussion or disagreement?
>
>
> The devil fully rules for 1,260 days, but God raises up the standard
against
> "him" by sending the two prophets that prophecy in Revelation 11, for
1,260
> days. God's way of raising the standard.
> Isa 59:19 ... When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of
the
> LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
The problem with numbering the days in Revelation is that1. Revelation is
a book
of SYMBOLS. The 1,260 days may be a symbol. And who is counting?
2. If indeed, someone is counting, and the 1,260th day comes and goes,
what then?
Is the Bible wrong,
or did the number instead stand for a "very long time"?
>
>
> So, don't believe that lie of the pre-tribulation or mid-tribulation
rubbish.
> It is designed to keep you weak and it is designed so that you will
doubt the
> Lord, and His word and your salvation, when you see the A.C. and the
> tribulation begin.
>
> Lots of love in His name.
TurtledoveI don't see love. I see condemnation. You have said that those
who
disagree with you are going to hell.lighten up.
prophet_jon
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Martin wrote:
> If those in Christiandom insist on saying God is Jesus, Jesus is God,
The
> Holy Spirit is God I make this challenge.
>
> Show me from the Bible, specifically where God says: "He is Jesus".
> Show me specifically where Jesus says: "I am God".
> Show me specifically where the Holy Spirit says: "I am God."
>
I don't know that I can directly respond to these 3 challenges. But, if
you're
sincere, I believe I can prove the truth of the Trinity to you. Actually,
in
seminary, I was taught that the proper term is Tri-Unity.One God exists
in 3
persons/aspects whatever term you can find that makes it work for you.
Okay, here we go again. We have done this MANY times, but we do it one
more
time.
You BETTER be sincere, because the Trinity is clearly and EASILY
demonstratable. And I do not take kindly to wasting my time on those who
are
not genuinely searching for truth.
Let's take this approach:
God has a number of attributes. Among those attributes are:
God is All knowing. We call that omniscience. And we can also say that,
not
only is God All knowing, Only God is All knowing. That is, we can't say
about
ANY man or any other being that he/it is All knowing. Therefore, if we
can
demonstrate that Jesus or the Holy Spirit is All knowing, we have
demonstrated
that Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit is God.
Do you follow me so far? It is a simple matter of deductive reasoning.
God is also All powerful. We call that attribute omnipotence. And we can
also
say that, not only is God All powerful, Only God is All powerful. That
is, we
can't say about ANY man or any other being that he/it is All powerful.
Therefore, if we can demonstrate that Jesus or the Holy Spirit is All
powerful,
we have demonstrated that Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit is God.
God is also Everywhere. We call that attribute omnipresence. And we can
also
say that, not only is God Everywhere, Only God is Everywhere. That is, we
can't
say about ANY man or any other being that he/it is Everywhere. Therefore,
if we
can demonstrate that Jesus or the Holy Spirit is Everywhere, we have
demonstrated that Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit is God.
Okay?
This is called "systematic theology"
After Jesus has told the disciples that He was going back to Heaven, one
of the
disciples said, "Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of
speech.
Now we can see that you know all things, and that you do not even need to
have
anyone ask you questions."
Jesus could not "know all things" without being Omniscient. If He is
Omniscient, He is God. Only God is Omniscient.
Jesus asked Peter the 3rd time, "Peter, do you love me?"
Peter answered, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."
John
21:17
If Jesus knew all things, He was Omniscient, and HE was/is God.
Jesus said to Judas (not Iscariot),
"All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy
Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things
and
will remind you of everything I have said to you." John 14:25-26
we see 2 things in this passage:
1. The Holy Spirit is not a thing. He is a person who is capable of
teaching
believers all things.
2. He is Omniscient, an attribute we have already seen applied to Jesus.
The
Holy Spirit can't teach us "All things" if He doesn't KNOW all things. If
He
knows all things, He is Omniscient, and therefore, the Holy Spirit is
God.
Where do we first see the Holy Spirit?
Genesis 1:2 The earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the
surface of
the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the water.
We see God's Spirit in the 1st chapter of the 1st book.
Even God's name, in Genesis, Elohim, is a plural noun, indicating "more
than
one." To explain this reference, look at a "bunch" of grapes. We see one
bunch,
but it contains many grapes. So we see Elohim, in Genesis 1. Elohim is a
plural
noun meaning God exists in plurality.
What did Peter say to Jesus when Jesus asked Peter who He was?
"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."
What did Jesus say back to Peter?
"Blessed are you, Peter, beause flesh and blood has not revealed this to
you.
My Father in Heaven has revealed this to you."
What did Thomas do and say to Jesus when he had felt the spear mark in
the
Risen Savior's side and he had felt the nail mark in His hand?
Thomas dropped to his knees and said, "My Lord, and my God!" He
wor****pped
Jesus. And Jesus didn't rebuke him. Jesus accepted Thomas' wor****p.
John 20:27-28
What did the Pharisees say to Jesus when He told the paralyzed man, "Your
sins
are forgiven"? Luke 5:18
"Some men came carrying a paralytic on a mat and tried to take him into
the
house to lay him before Jesus. When they could not find a way to do this
becuase of the crowd, they went up on the roof and lowered him on his mat
through the tiles into the middle of the crowd, right in front of Jesus.
When
Jesus saw their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven." The
Pharisees
and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, "Who is this
fellow
who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?" Jesus knew
what they
were thinking and asked, "Why are you thinking these things in your
hearts?"
(He could read their minds, because He was/is God) "Which is easier: to
say,
'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? But that you may
know
that the Son of Man has authority on Earth to forgive sins..." He said to
the
paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home."
Immediately, he
stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home
praising God.
> I don't want to hear all this razz-ma-tazz...er, ah, maybe, sounds
like,
> cough, sputter, well so and so sounds like he said, ahem, but this
> scripture almost says... Be specfic or shut up about it because it DOES
NOT
> EXIST.
>
The problem you have is a problem many people have. You expect Jesus and
the
Apostles to speak in English/American idioms. They don't. You have to
understand the Hebrew / Greek cultures sometimes. Why did the Jews reject
Him?They had seen a million preachers. What was different about Jesus?
What was
different was that He didn't claim to be another prophet. He claimed to
be God
Incarnate. And He convinced a lot of people. Before the end of the 1st
Century,
conservative estimates are that there were 2 - 5 million believers.
It is estimated that Jesus Himself left behind 500,000 to 1 million
believers.
Peace
Jerry Martinnow YOU shut up!Peace.
prophet_jon
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is true.
that is exactly why we were given tests.
and any one who claims to be a prophet must past the tests.
You have heard/I have anyway, several people claiming to be latter
day/last day "Apostles," for instance.
What is wrong with the claim of some that they are latter day "Apostles"?
prophet_jon
luap wrote:
> You know, if God sent forth a prophet today, we would call him a false
> prophet. Why, because we are so paranoid of being mislead.
>
> luap
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I think that we can't know until it happens.
I believe there will probably be clusters of believers sitting around
campfires in
heaven when this has all run its course.
And we will swap stories about which passages were fulfilled literally,
and which
weren't.
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