> Risto Karttunen said on May 11, 8:01 am:
> We are capable of saying "I", we are able to look
> at ourselves and see our very ****dness before God.
> Animals aren't
Animals are capable of saying "I" in their thoughts,
if not with their voices, and they can do so even
with their voices when God miraculously grants them
the gift of speech (Numbers 22:28-30). They can also
be trained by scientists to express themselves in
all their fully-conscious complexity by pointing to
sequences of symbols (e.g. with primates). And they
can recognize their very ****dness in mirrors (e.g.
elephants), and they know God and could teach us
about Him (Job 12:7-10) if only they could speak.
> Risto said:
> If we were immortal, we would also be immoral (or
> rather amoral), I think. Angels are not moral
> beings
Christians will be resurrected into immortality at
the second coming of Jesus (1 Corinthians
15:22-23,52-55), and so will become equal to the
angels (Luke 20:36). They will not become amoral,
but will live forever in righteousness (Romans 5:21),
just as the unfallen angels are not amoral, but are
holy (Matthew 25:31).
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(A Subsequent Post)
>> RTB had said:
>> Just as God wasn't afraid in Genesis 3:22b, so He
>> wasn't afraid in Genesis 11:6b. God just knew that
>> if sinful man were allowed to go on forever in his
>> godless technological aspirations, he would end up
>> destroying himself and the planet
> -
> Risto Karttunen said on May 11, 8:16 am:
> I don't believe that the writer(s) of that story
> could see that far
The historical account of Genesis 11:6 was written
under the inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16), who
could see that far (e.g. Isaiah 46:10).
> Risto said:
> Anyway, we are destroying our planet _now_, in
> spite of what happened to that tower. In fact, I'd
> rather say _because of_ what happened there. Surely
> wars and other quarrels have only made things worse
What God did at the Tower of Babel could have delayed
for thousands of years what we are doing to our
planet now. And the unity of mankind under the coming
worldwide reign of the Antichrist won't prevent the
further destruction of the planet, for the
Antichrist, under the inspiration of the dragon
Lucifer (Satan), will purposely destroy the earth
(Isaiah 14:17) at the end of his reign, probably with
massive numbers of nuclear weapons, so as to leave
only a "scorched earth" for the returning Jesus to
reign over.
Jesus will return to "destroy them which destroy the
earth" (Revelation 11:18b), after which He will make
parts of it like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35,
Isaiah 51:3) and man will return to a right
relation****p with the earth (Isaiah 30:23-25).
> Risto said:
> Now you are preaching
Preaching is a good thing, if it points people to
what the Bible teaches (2 Timothy 3:15-4:4).
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(A Subsequent Poster)
> Merlin said on May 11, 8:30 am:
> ... when we get involved there is no guilt
When we believe in Jesus' death for our sins on
the cross (Romans 3:25) and His rising from the dead
on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:17), and then
repent from all of our sins (Luke 13:3), and then
make amends to all those whom we have ever harmed
(Matthew 5:23-26), and then forgive all those who
have ever harmed us (Matthew 6:15), and then confess
all of our sins to God (1 John 1:9), and then get
baptized in water in the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38),
only then is there no guilt.
> Merlin said:
> we are always ****d to god and it don't involved
> ****d bodies
Our always being ****d before God (Hebrews 4:13)
involves not only our bodies, but our very souls and
spirits, our very thoughts (Hebrews 4:12).
> Merlin said:
> all humans have eternal life
Not all humans have eternal life (John 3:36).
> Merlin said:
> no one dies
People do die (Luke 16:22-24).
> Merlin said:
> jesus is not dead
Jesus is not dead now, but He was dead at one point
in the past (Revelation 1:18).
> Merlin said:
> satan is more alive today than ever, and satan has
> lived for eternity in the book
The Bible doesn't say that Satan has lived for
eternity, and he, like all unsaved humans, will
eventually die the second death of eternal torment
in the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation
20:10,15, 14:10-11, 21:8, Matthew 25:41,46, Mark
9:45-46).
> Merlin said:
> angels are not real
Angels are real, real enough to be able to literally
take hold of your hand and lead you out of trouble
(Genesis 19:15-16).
> Merlin said:
> you are so identified with you human body you see
> loosing it as death?
> then you miss the whole point of jesus life and
> teachings
Jesus taught that the loss of the human body was
death (Luke 18:33), and that the resurrection of the
human body will be life for those who are saved (John
5:28-29).
> Merlin said:
> find jesus love
Jesus "loved us, and washed us from our sins in His
own blood" (Revelation 1:5).
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