Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Scout Lady
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:20:47 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:17:05 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:42:12 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:31:13 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> May it be one of your best, if not the best, ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> JohnH
>>>>
>>>> I am amazed! You would call her a heretic to her face, John H!
>>>>
>>>> But her birthday comes, and you GUSH!
>>>>
>>>> hypocrite!
>>> I've called Scout Lady a heretic?
>>
>> I didn't say ^ ^ that!
>
>Then what did you mean?
????? Why are you asking me? You're one of the ones who tells ME
what I meant!
>>
>> AGAIN, you prove that you are hysterical, given to exaggeration, and
>> a LIAR!
>> And the truth isn't in you!
>
>Projection!
Actually, John H, that's simply too convenient! I was talking about
YOU!
I didn't say what you said I said! I cracked a joke, which YOU chose
to take VERY literally, and then you FALSELY ACCUSED me (as usual)
You need to watch that, John H! God does not appreciate those who
falsely accuse, which is why I don't do it!
>>
>> Show the post. If you can't, I'll
>>> just consider this another one of your lies.
>>
>> And THAT was another of your lies ^ ^ .
>>
>> List my "lies", if you can, you LIAR!
>>
>Projection!
Actually, for every lie you accuse me of, I can point to one of
your REAL lies!
You -- like Elaine the Insane Paine-- LOVE to mis-direct!
>>
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Here it is!!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:07:55 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:43:08 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:49:40 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> How many times are you going to PRETEND that you "just found it?"
>>And how many times are you going to PRETEND that you are posting it
>>for the first time?
>
>I didn't pretend, short bus - I did 'just find it' after painstakingly
The PRETENDING, stupid one, is that you are PRETENDING that you just
posted it "for the first time." You have posted it half-a-dozen times
thus far, and you keep acting like you've "finally proved something."
You mis-interpreted my words the first time you referred to this
post, and you're mis-representing them now!
>searching through my personal archives of your CRAP.
>
> There is so much to wade through, it took me several days, but I knew
>I'd find it.
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.fan.bob-
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Subject: Re: ** Kent Wills = Lying Liar for Jayzus -- Born again religion
re****ter loses faith **
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:05:16 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:50:50 -0700, Bo Raxo
<crimenewscenter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Aug 4, 5:14 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:02:08 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"<thep...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Kent Wills wrote:
>> >> As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:34:28 +1000, Ned Flanders
>> >> <donteventhinkabou...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:03:58 +1000, Red wrote
>> >>> (in article <1186236238.868413.167...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>
>> >>>> Ultraman is a cocksucking whore who stands around public
restrooms
>> >>>> picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with ***
>> >>>> crimes.
>>
>> >>> Why don't you take a few minutes and read the article he posted.
>> >>> It is worth the read.
>>
>> >> No mention of any religion is made in the article. Jonezie
>> >> lied, again. It's what he does.
>>
>> >Keep dancing, Kent, you lying liar for jayzus.
>>
>> I think -- no matter what you believe-- I don't get why any person
>> who calls himself/ herself an adult needs to RIDICULE those who see
>> things differently or who believe different.
>>
>
>I think humans have advanced greatly through the use of language,
As my field is the field of writing (language as a tool), I would
agree. Some truly beautiful stuff has been written, not the least of
it being the Psalms and the Proverbs (in the Old Testament of the
Bible)
>allowing them to express and share ideas, to debate and yes, to
>ridicule.
I am not an uneducated person. And I never saw the place of
"ridicule" in a civilized world.
When those who claim to be "educated" reduce themselves to ridicule,
they leave the world a less civilized place for it.
Sometimes this collaboration actually results in them
>sharpening their thinking and getting smarter.
To disagree with some of the less rational aspects of "religion" and
philosophy-- a case in point that being how the Hindus in several
nations (India and Pakistan being two) STARVE to death, because they
refuse to kill and eat the plentiful animals-- is sad. But I wouldn't
ridicule a Hindu just because I see their beliefs as WRONG and
destructive.
There are whole
>disciplines built on such collavoboration and criticism: the
>sciences, philosophy, rhetoric, to name a few.
Criticism, yes. "I do not believe in flying saucers, because..." is
one thing. "People who believe in flying saucers? What IDIOTS!" is
another.
>
>
>> I don't get what would motivate anyone to refer to someone's God as
>> "Jayzus."
>>
>
>Guess things like sarcasm and hyperbole are beyond you. Your loss.
You don't get to decide what's a loss for me. I would say that it's
a real loss for anyone to think they're beyond the reach of or need
for God just because they think they're "educated."
I've know a lot of highly educated men and women who were believers!
"Your loss!"
At any rate, I didn't comment to start a debate with someone who will
likely never even acknowledge that my point has any validity.
I commented because I believe there's still a place for being civil
whether we can agree or not.
>
>
>> ??? What kind of behavior is that? It's not ADULT behavior!
>>
>
>Naive belief that some supernatural father figure runs the world,
You haven't yet proved that belief is "naive."
I'd say non-belief is naive, and self-destructive.
Particularly when the probability of God's existence is SO easy to
demonstrate!
If you believe in the possibility of extraterrestrial life, you
believe in the possibility that there's a Supreme Being, meaning that
YOUR issues are MORAL issues (you don't WANT to believe), rather than
an issue of intellect or of education!
john w
is
>omnipotent but fervently desires the wor****p of creatures he created,
>and has a grand plan for the entire history of the world but will
>change it if you plead earnestly enough, perhaps accompanied by
>finanical gifts to representatives of whatever mythology you were
>raised in - that is what I would say is not adult behavior.
>
>Ridiculing someone who believes in invisible friends and supernatural
>beings and the idea that after you're dead you live forever in some
>beyond-the-stars paradise with all of your best pals, that's perfectly
>adult behavior.
>
>> So much for the notion that everyone is tolerant!
>>
>
>"Tolerant" doesn't mean respecting every ridiculous piece of bull****
>anyone cares to spout.
>
>
>> "not on Usenet!"
>>
>
>Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
>
>
>
>Bo Raxo
>
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.fan.bob-larson,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: ** Kent Wills = Lying Liar for Jayzus -- Born again religion
re****ter loses faith **
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:56:30 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:21:16 -0500, Kent Wills <compuelf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>As I understand it, on Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:14:11 -0700, john w
><johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:02:08 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>><theprof@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>
> You shouldn't post to Usenet then, as your post will be
>quoted. And not just be me.
>
>>>Kent Wills wrote:
>>>> As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:34:28 +1000, Ned Flanders
>>>> <donteventhinkaboutit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:03:58 +1000, Red wrote
>>>>> (in article <1186236238.868413.167970
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ultraman is a cocksucking whore who stands around public restrooms
>>>>>> picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with ***
>>>>>> crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you take a few minutes and read the article he posted.
>>>>> It is worth the read.
>>>>
>>>> No mention of any religion is made in the article. Jonezie
>>>> lied, again. It's what he does.
>>>
>>>Keep dancing, Kent, you lying liar for jayzus.
>>
>> I think -- no matter what you believe-- I don't get why any person
>>who calls himself/ herself an adult needs to RIDICULE those who see
>>things differently or who believe different.
>>
>> I don't get what would motivate anyone to refer to someone's God as
>>"Jayzus."
>
> Jonez, no matter the nym he uses, has some serious issues he
>needs to address with the help of a qualified mental health
>professional.
Yep!
Until such time as he does, he'll just get further and
>further into the unstable world his mind has created.
> I write that not to be mean, though I see where one could view
>it as such, but to point out that the man is ill. He needs help.
>
>>
>> ??? What kind of behavior is that? It's not ADULT behavior!
>>
>> So much for the notion that everyone is tolerant!
>
> Jonez is anything but tolerant. If you don't agree with him
>100% of the time on 100% of the topics, you're any number of
>homo-*****c references.
> And if your a woman (which you aren't, if your name is any
>indication) , it's even worse.
>
>>
>> "not on Usenet!"
>>
>
> New to Usenet? :)
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: A Serious Challenge
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:54:45 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:22:31 -0700, Falcon <Falcon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>I have been watching the group for a long time and it seems that the
>same thing happens over and over. Myself, guilty as well at times.
>
>Why does everyone allow John W to turn it into his show?
>
>A few recent threads, for example.
>
>Hello--I'm new to the group
>
>Why did everyone allow this to be about John W?
>
>Happy Birthday, Scout Lady
>
>An occasion for SL that has turned to a John W show. Why?
>
>Get a life John.....
>
>Feeding frenzy continues and even has evolved into nothing but John W
>and no end in sight.
>
>Why do you all keep feeding him? Why do you let him hijack decent
>topics only to sink to his level. Ponder a bit. Are you all unable
>to ignore and engage in meaningful conversations? Pretty lame excuse
>that others must be warned about him, etc.
Anyone with more than 5
>or 6 functioning brain cells can figure him out in two posts or less.
chuckle.
Now, that could be considered insulting, if I considered you
im****tant enough to allow you to insult me.
But in the grand scheme, tweety, you simply aren't all that!
>
>I would challenge you all to let it go. Do not respond to his
>nonsense and inane ramblings.
There you go! We should all-- instead-- respond to YOUR nonsense
and inane ramblings!
There is far more to life and our
>calling than to continually respond by banging your head against a
>brick wall of someone who feeds you the bait and it turns into a
>feeding frenzy of
give John W all the attention he wants.
Actually, tweety, I'd enjoy a whole lot less attention!
in here, anyway.
Several who have wised up (sooner than I did) have pointed out that
this is a haven for the self-im****tant with few / no visible
achievements (do consider yourself in that number)
Several have also pointed out that if there ever was someone who
comes in here and badmouths EVERYone without EVERY actually
CONTRIBUTING, you're even worse than Elaine the Pain!
>
>Not that it means much to anyone but I am a little disappointed that
>John W seems to control so many folks on this newsgroup.
I "control " people?
Liar!
If I controlled people, they'd shut up!
He talks,
>everyone jumps to answer and in the process sinks to his level which
>only adds more food to his frenzy.
You flatter me, tweety!
john w
>
>My challenge to everyone is to let it go, he is a lost cause and no
>need to let him control you and let him dictate what you want to say.
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: All bridges go to low bidder.
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:24:06 -0700
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 10:03:02 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>In article <rsu6b3tl90ldl7p2lvt7pprmldv0igkqs3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:15:25 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> <findme@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:33:21 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Your government protecting you.
>> >
>> >Here is a sample of your government "protecting" you........
>> >
>> >
>> >The recent Executive Order enacting (without the approval of
Congress)
>> >National Security Presidential Directive 51 allows George W. Bush to
>> >establish an immediate dictator****p, including taking control of ALL
>functions
>> >of government AND state, municipal and private sectors, including at
the
>> >'tribal' level, if there is *any* catastrophic natural event or
terror
>attack of
>> >ANY type what-so-ever on US soil.
>>
>> Where have YOU been? That's called "martial law." And any time our
>> nation is in a state of declared war (this WAS approved by Congress
>> like it or not), we are in a state of martial law.
>>
>> Perhaps you forgot, perhaps you were never aware (shame on you) how
>> the government "siezed" private commercial air carriers (TWA,
>> American, Delta, United) to get our troops and war materiel to Iraq.
>>
>> That's called "martial law."
>>
>> Perhaps you were not aware that whatever companies were capable of
>> producing bullets and rockets and missiles were ordered into 24/7
>> production (when possible and necessary). That is also called
>> "martial law."
>>
>> And those acts were put into motion-- and publicly announced-- shortly
>> after Congress voted, IIRC.
>>
>> john w
>>
>
>Yes
>
>America is already under martial law in that it is controlled by an
>unelected military Juna fronted by the Bush family
Lie! America has a constitutional process. For the first time in
our history, the voting system didn't work; it failed. The next step
in the process WAS taken. The election went to the United States
Supreme Court, which was right and proper.
You don't know anything about our government, OBVIOUSLY, so you
should just
SHUT UP!
The first GWB election proved that the system worked! I am BETTING
that if we'd gone through the EXACT same system, and ALGore had won,
you'd be "tickled that the system worked."
Grow up and SHUT up!
john w
>
>I think the problem of perception in America is that the expectation is
>that living under a Junta would feel different
>
>But anyone who was in Fascist Spain under Franco would know that in many
>ways what you have now is precisely how it feels
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:08:55 GMT, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> Thank you, the list is great help!
>--
>
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
> carrying the cross."
> Sinclair Lewis
smirk.
All you have said is that you are not a tolerant person!
Anyone who doesn't believe as YOU believe is stupid and a fanatic!
So much for tolerance! You are a HATER, and you are a bigot!
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Subject: Re: ** Kent Wills = Lying Liar for Jayzus -- Born again religion
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:02:08 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>Kent Wills wrote:
>> As I understand it, on Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:34:28 +1000, Ned Flanders
>> <donteventhinkaboutit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 00:03:58 +1000, Red wrote
>>> (in article <1186236238.868413.167970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>
>>>> Ultraman is a cocksucking whore who stands around public restrooms
>>>> picking up little boys. That's why the obsession he has with ***
>>>> crimes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you take a few minutes and read the article he posted.
>>> It is worth the read.
>>
>> No mention of any religion is made in the article. Jonezie
>> lied, again. It's what he does.
>
>Keep dancing, Kent, you lying liar for jayzus.
I think -- no matter what you believe-- I don't get why any person
who calls himself/ herself an adult needs to RIDICULE those who see
things differently or who believe different.
I don't get what would motivate anyone to refer to someone's God as
"Jayzus."
??? What kind of behavior is that? It's not ADULT behavior!
So much for the notion that everyone is tolerant!
"not on Usenet!"
john w
>
>From the LA Times, written by By William Lobdell, Times Staff Writer
>
>When Times editors assigned me to the religion beat, I believed God had
answered
>my prayers.
>
>As a serious Christian, I had cringed at some of the coverage in the
mainstream
>media. Faith frequently was treated like a circus, even a freak show.
>
>I wanted to re****t objectively and respectfully about how belief shapes
people's
>lives. Along the way, I believed, my own faith would grow deeper and
sturdier.
>
>But during the eight years I covered religion, something very different
>happened.
>
>In 1989, a friend took me to Mariners Church, then in New****t Beach,
after
>saying: "You need God. That's what's missing in your life." At the time,
I was
>28 and my first son was less than a year old. I had managed to nearly
ruin my
>marriage (the second one) and didn't think I'd do much better as a
father. I was
>profoundly lost.
>
>The mega-church's pastor, Kenton Beshore, had a knack for making
Scripture
>accessible and relevant. For someone who hadn't studied the Bible much,
these
>talks fed a hunger in my soul. The secrets to living well had been there
all
>along - in "Life's Instruction Manual," as some Christians nicknamed the
Bible.
>
>Some friends in a Bible study class encouraged me to attend a men's
religious
>weekend in the San Bernardino Mountains. The three-day retreats are
designed to
>grind down your defenses and leave you emotionally raw - an easier state
in
>which to connect with God. After 36 hours of prayer, singing, Bible
study,
>intimate sharing and little sleep, I felt filled with the Holy Spirit.
>
>At the climactic service Sunday, Mike Barris, a pastor-to-be, delivered
an
>old-fa****oned altar call. He said we needed to let Jesus into our
hearts.
>
>With my eyes closed in prayer, I saw my heart slowly opening in two and
then
>being infused with a warm, glowing light. A tingle spread across my
chest. This,
>I thought, was what it was to be born again.
>
>The pastor asked those who wanted to accept Jesus to raise their hands.
My hand
>pretty much levitated on its own. My new friends in Christ, many of whom
I had
>first met Friday, gave me hugs and slaps on the back.
>
>I began praying each morning and night. During those quiet times, I
mostly
>listened for God's voice. And I thought I sensed a plan he had for me:
To write
>about religion for The Times and bring light into the newsroom, if only
by my
>stories and example.
>
>My desire to be a religion re****ter grew as I read stories about faith
in the
>mainstream media. Spiritual people often appeared as nuts or simpletons.
>
>In one of the most famous examples, the Wa****ngton Post ran a news story
in 1993
>that referred to evangelical Christians as "largely poor, uneducated and
easy to
>command."
>
>Another maddening trend was that homo***uality and abortion debates
dominated
>media coverage, as if those where the only topics that mattered to
Christians.
>
>I didn't just pray for a religion writing job; I lobbied hard. In one
meeting
>with editors, my pitch went something like this:
>
>"What if I told you that you have an institution in Orange County that
draws
>more than 15,000 people a weekend and that you haven't written much
about?"
>
>They said they couldn't imagine such a thing.
>
>"Saddleback Church in Lake Forest draws that type of crowd."
>
>It took several years and numerous memos and e-mails, but editors
finally agreed
>in 1998 to let me write "Getting Religion," a weekly column about faith
in
>Orange County.
>
>I felt like all the tumblers of my life had clicked. I had a strong
marriage,
>great kids and a new column. I attributed it all to God's grace.
>
>First as a columnist and then as a re****ter, I never had a shortage of
topics. I
>wrote about an elderly church organist who became a spiritual mentor to
the man
>who tried to rape, rob and kill her. About the Orthodox Jewish mother
who
>developed a line of modest clothing for Barbie dolls. About the hardy
group of
>Mormons who rode covered wagons 800 miles from Salt Lake City to San
Bernardino,
>replicating their ancestors' journey to Southern California.
>
>Meanwhile, Roman Catholicism, with its low-key evangelism and deep
ritual,
>increasingly appealed to me. I loved its long history and loving embrace
of
>liberals and conservatives, immigrants and the established, the rich and
poor.
>
>My wife was raised in the Catholic Church and had wanted me to join for
years. I
>signed up for yearlong conversion cl***** at a New****t Beach parish that
would
>end with an Easter eve ceremony ushering newcomers into the church.
>
>By then I had been on the religion beat for three years. I couldn't wait
to get
>to work each day or, on Sunday, to church.
>
>IN 2001, about six months before the Catholic clergy *** scandal broke
>nationwide, the dioceses of Orange and Los Angeles paid a record $5.2
million to
>a law student who said he had been molested, as a student at Santa
Margarita
>High School in Rancho Santa Margarita, by his principal, Msgr. Michael
Harris.
>
>Without admitting guilt, Harris agreed to leave the priesthood. As part
of the
>settlement, the dioceses also were forced to radically change how they
handled
>***ual abuse allegations, including a promise to kick out any priest
with a
>credible molestation allegation in his past. It emerged that both
dioceses had
>many known molesters on duty. Los Angeles had two convicted pedophiles
still
>working as priests.
>
>While re****ting the Harris story, I learned - from court records and
>interviews - the lengths to which the church went to protect the priest.
When
>Harris took an abrupt leave of absence as principal at Santa Margarita
in
>January 1994, he issued a statement saying it was because of "stress."
He
>resigned a month later.
>
>His superiors didn't tell parents or students the real reason for his
absence:
>Harris had been accused of molesting a student while he was principal at
Mater
>Dei High School in Santa Ana from 1977 to 1979; church officials
possessed a
>note from Harris that appeared to be a confession; and they were sending
him to
>a treatment center.
>
>In September 1994, a second former student stepped forward, this time
publicly,
>and filed a lawsuit. In response, parents and students held a rally for
Harris
>at the school, singing, "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow." An airplane
towed a
>banner overhead that read "We Love Father Harris."
>
>By this time, church leaders possessed a psychological re****t in which
Catholic
>psychiatrists diagnosed Harris as having an attraction to adolescents
and
>concluded that he likely had molested multiple boys. (Harris, who has
denied the
>allegations, now stands accused of molesting 12 boys, according to
church
>records.) But they didn't step forward to set the record straight.
Instead, a
>diocesan spokesman called Harris an "icon of the priesthood."
>
>Harris' top defense attorney, John Barnett, lashed out at the priest's
accusers
>in the media, calling them "sick individuals." Again, church leaders
remained
>silent as the alleged victims were savaged. Some of the diocese's top
priests -
>including the cleric in charge of investigating the accusations - threw
a
>going-away party for Harris.
>
>At the time, I never imagined Catholic leaders would engage in a
widespread
>practice that protected alleged child molesters and belittled the
victims. I
>latched onto the explanation that was least damaging to my belief in the
>Catholic Church - that this was an isolated case of a morally corrupt
>administration.
>
>And I was comforted by the advice of a Catholic friend: "Keep your eyes
on the
>person nailed to the cross, not the priests behind the altar."
>
>IN late 2001, I traveled to Salt Lake City to attend a conference of
former
>Mormons. These people lived mostly in the Mormon Jell-O belt - Utah,
Idaho,
>Arizona - so-named because of the plates of Jell-O that inevitably
appear at
>Mormon gatherings.
>
>They found themselves ostracized in their neighborhoods, schools and
careers.
>Often, they were dead to their own families.
>
>"If Mormons associate with you, they think they will somehow become
contaminated
>and lose their faith too," Suzy Colver told me. "It's almost as if
people who
>leave the church don't exist."
>
>The people at the conference were an eclectic bunch: novelists and stay-
at-home
>moms, entrepreneurs and cartoonists, *** addicts and alcoholics. Some
were
>depressed, others angry, and a few had successfully moved on. But they
shared a
>common thread: They wanted to be honest about their lack of faith and
still be
>loved.
>
>In most pockets of Mormon culture, that wasn't going to happen.
>
>Part of what drew me to Christianity were the radical teachings of Jesus
- to
>love your enemy, to protect the vulnerable and to lovingly bring lost
sheep back
>into the fold.
>
>As I re****ted the story, I wondered how faithful Mormons - many of whom
>rigorously follow other biblical commands such as giving 10% of their
income to
>the church - could miss so badly on one of Jesus' primary lessons?
>
>As part of the Christian family, I felt shame for my religion. But I
still
>compartmentalized it as an aberration - the result of sinful behavior
that
>infects even the church.
>
>IN early 2002, I was assigned to work on the Catholic *** scandal story
as it
>erupted across the nation. I also continued to attend Sunday Mass and
conversion
>cl***** on Sunday mornings and Tuesday nights.
>
>Father Vincent Gilmore - the young, intellectually sharp priest teaching
the
>class - spoke about the *** scandal and warned us Catholics-to-be not to
be
>poisoned by a relatively few bad clerics. Otherwise, we'd be committing
>"spiritual suicide."
>
>As I began my re****ting, I kept that in mind. I also thought that the
victims -
>people usually in their 30s, 40s and up - should have just gotten over
what had
>happened to them decades before. To me, many of them were needlessly
stuck in
>the past.
>
>But then I began going over the do***ents. And interviewing the victims,
scores
>of them. I discovered that the term "***ual abuse" is a euphemism. Most
of these
>children were raped and sodomized by someone they and their family
believed was
>Christ's representative on Earth. That's not something an 8-year-old's
mind can
>process; it forever warps a person's ***uality and spirituality.
>
>Many of these victims were molested by priests with a history of abusing
>children. But the bishops routinely sent these clerics to another
parish, and
>bullied or conned the victims and their families into silence. The
police were
>almost never called. In at least a few instances, bishops encouraged
molesting
>priests to flee the country to escape prosecution.
>
>I couldn't get the victims' stories or the bishops' lies - many of them
right
>there on their own stationery - out of my head. I had been in journalism
more
>than two decades and had dealt with murders, rapes, other violent crimes
and
>tragedies. But this was different - the children were so innocent, their
parents
>so faithful, the priests so sick and bishops so corrupt.
>
>The lifeline Father Vincent had tried to give me began to slip from my
hands.
>
>I sought solace in another belief: that a church's heart is in the pews,
not the
>pulpits. Certainly the people who were reading my stories would recoil
and, in
>the end, recapture God's house. Instead, I saw pari****oners reflexively
sup****t
>priests who had molested children by writing glowing letters to bishops
and
>judges, offering them jobs or even raising their bail while cursing the
victims,
>often to their faces.
>
>On a Sunday morning at a parish in Rancho Santa Margarita, I watched
congregants
>lobby to name their new parish hall after their longtime pastor, who had
>admitted to molesting a boy and who had been barred that day from the
ministry.
>I felt sick to my stomach that the people of God wanted to honor an
admitted
>child molester. Only one person in the crowd, an Orange County sheriff's
deputy,
>spoke out for the victim.
>
>On Good Friday 2002, I decided I couldn't belong to the Catholic Church.
Though
>I had spent a year preparing for it, I didn't go through with the rite
of
>conversion.
>
>I understood that I was witnessing the failure of humans, not God. But
in a way,
>that was the point. I didn't see these institutions drenched in God's
spirit.
>Shouldn't religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -
driven,
>reflect higher standards than government, cor****ations and other groups
in
>society?
>
>I found an excuse to skip services that Easter. For the next few months,
I
>attended church only s****adically. Then I stopped going altogether.
>
>SOME of the nation's most powerful pastors - including Billy Graham,
Robert H.
>Schuller and Greg Laurie - appear on the Trinity Broadcasting Network,
>benefiting from TBN's worldwide reach while looking past the network's
reliance
>on the "prosperity gospel" to fuel its growth.
>
>TBN's creed is that if viewers send money to the network, God will repay
them
>with great riches and good health. Even people deeply in debt are
encouraged to
>put donations on credit cards.
>
>"If you have been healed or saved or blessed through TBN and have not
>contributed . you are robbing God and will lose your reward in heaven,"
Paul
>Crouch, co-founder of the Orange County-based network, once told
viewers.
>Meanwhile, Crouch and his wife, Jan, live like tycoons.
>
>I began looking into TBN after receiving some e-mails from former
devotees of
>the network. Those people had given money to the network in hopes of
getting a
>financial windfall from God. That didn't work.
>
>By then, I started to believe that God was calling me, as he did St.
Francis of
>Assisi, to "rebuild his church" - not in some grand way that would lead
to
>sainthood but by simply re****ting on corruption within the church body.
>
>I spent several years investigating TBN and ****ed through stacks of
do***ents -
>some made available by appalled employees - showing the Crouches eating
>$180-per-person meals; flying in a $21-million cor****ate jet; having
access to
>30 TBN-owned homes across the country, among them a pair of New****t
Beach
>mansions and a ranch in Texas. All paid for with tax-free donor money.
>
>One of the stars of TBN and a major fundraiser is the self-proclaimed
faith
>healer Benny Hinn. I attended one of his two-day "Miracle Crusades" at
what was
>then the Pond of Anaheim. The arena was packed with sick people looking
for a
>cure.
>
>My heart broke for the hundreds of people around me in wheelchairs or in
the
>final stages of terminal diseases, believing that if God deemed their
faith
>strong enough, they would be healed that night.
>
>Hinn tells his audiences that a generous cash gift to his ministry will
be seen
>by God as a sign of true faith. This has worked well for the
televangelist, who
>lives in an oceanfront mansion in Dana Point, drives luxury cars, flies
in
>private jets and stays in the best hotels.
>
>At the crusade, I met Jordie Gibson, 21, who had flown from Calgary,
Canada, to
>Anaheim because he believed that God, through Hinn, could get his
kidneys to
>work again.
>
>He was thrilled to tell me that he had stopped getting dialysis because
Hinn had
>said people are cured only when they "step out in faith." The decision
enraged
>his doctors, but made perfect sense to Gibson. Despite risking his life
as a
>show of faith, he wasn't cured in Anaheim. He returned to Canada and
went back
>on dialysis. The crowd was filled with desperate believers like Gibson.
>
>I tried unsuccessfully to get several prominent mainstream pastors who
appeared
>on TBN to comment on the prosperity gospel, Hinn's "faith healing" or
the
>Crouches' lifestyle.
>
>Like the Catholic bishops, I assumed, they didn't want to risk what they
had.
>
>AS the stories piled up, I began to pray with renewed vigor, but it felt
like I
>wasn't connecting to God. I started to feel silly even trying.
>
>I read accounts of St. John of the Cross and his "dark night of the
soul," a
>time he believed God was testing him by seemingly withdrawing from his
life.
>Maybe this was my test.
>
>I met with my former Presbyterian pastor, John Huffman, and told him
what I was
>feeling. I asked him if I could e-mail him some tough questions about
>Christianity and faith and get his answers. He agreed without
hesitation.
>
>The questions that I thought I had come to peace with started to bubble
up
>again. Why do bad things happen to good people? Why does God get credit
for
>answered prayers but no blame for unanswered ones? Why do we believe in
the
>miraculous healing power of God when he's never been able to regenerate
a limb
>or heal a severed spinal chord?
>
>In one e-mail, I asked John, who had lost a daughter to cancer, why an
atheist
>businessman prospers and the child of devout Christian parents dies. Why
would a
>loving God make this impossible for us to understand?
>
>He sent back a long reply that concluded:
>
>"My ultimate affirmation is let God be God and acknowledge that He is in
charge.
>He knows what I don't know. And frankly, if I'm totally honest with you,
a life
>of gratitude is one that bows before the Sovereign God arguing with Him
on those
>things that trouble me, lamenting the losses of life, but ultimately
saying,
>'You, God, are infinite; I'm human and finite.' "
>
>John is an excellent pastor, but he couldn't reach me. For some time, I
had
>tried to push away doubts and reconcile an all-powerful and infinitely
loving
>God with what I saw, but I was losing ground. I wondered if my born-
again
>experience at the mountain retreat was more about fatigue, spiritual
longing and
>emotional vulnerability than being touched by Jesus.
>
>And I considered another possibility: Maybe God didn't exist.
>
>TOWARD the end of my tenure as a religion re****ter, I traveled to Nome,
Alaska.
>Sitting in a tiny visitor's room, I studied the sad, round face of the
Eskimo in
>front of me and tried to imagine how much he hated being confined to
jail.
>
>Peter "Packy" Kobuk was from a remote village on St. Michael Island in
western
>Alaska. There natives lived, in many ways, just as their ancestors did
10,000
>years ago. Smells of the outdoor life hung heavy in his village: the
salt air,
>the strips of salmon drying on racks, the seaweed washed up on the
beach.
>
>But for now, Packy could smell only the disinfectants used to scrub the
concrete
>floors at the Anvil Mountain Correction Center. Unfortunately, alcohol
and a
>violent temper had put Packy there many times in his 46 years. For his
latest
>assault, he was serving three months.
>
>The short, powerfully built man folded his calloused hands on the table.
I was
>surprised to see a homemade rosary hanging from his neck, the blue beads
held
>together by string from a fi****ng net.
>
>I had come from Southern California to re****t on a generation of Eskimo
boys who
>had been molested by a Catholic missionary. All of the now-grown Eskimos
I had
>interviewed over the past week had lost their faith. In fact, several of
them
>confessed that they fantasized daily about burning down the village
church,
>where the unspeakable acts took place.
>
>But there was Packy with his rosary.
>
>"Why do you still believe?" I asked.
>
>"It's not God's work what happened to me," he said softly, running his
fingers
>along the beads. "They were breaking God's commandments - even the
people who
>didn't help. They weren't loving their neighbors as themselves."
>
>He said he regularly got down on his knees in his jail cell to pray.
>
>"A lot of people make fun of me, asking if the Virgin Mary is going to
rescue
>me," Packy said. "Well, I've gotten helped more times from the Virgin
Mary
>through intercession than from anyone else. I won't stop. My children
need my
>prayers."
>
>Tears spilled from his eyes. Packy's faith, though severely tested, had
>survived.
>
>I looked at him with envy. Where he found comfort, I was finding
emptiness.
>
>IN the summer of 2005, I re****ted from a Multnomah County, Ore.,
courtroom on
>the story of an unemployed mother - impregnated by a seminary student 13
years
>earlier - who was trying to get increased child sup****t for her sickly
>12-year-old son.
>
>The boy's father, Father Arturo Uribe, took the witness stand. The
priest had
>never seen or talked with his son. He even had trouble properly
pronouncing the
>kid's name. Uribe confidently offered the court a simple reason as to
why he
>couldn't pay more than $323 a month in child sup****t.
>
>"The only thing I own are my clothes," he told the judge.
>
>His defense - orchestrated by a razor-sharp attorney paid for by his
religious
>order - boiled down to this: I'm a Roman Catholic priest, I've taken a
vow of
>poverty, and child-sup****t laws can't touch me.
>
>The boy's mother, Stephanie Collopy, couldn't afford a lawyer. She
stumbled
>badly acting as her own attorney. It went on for three hours.
>
>"It didn't look that great," Stephanie said afterward, wiping tears from
her
>eyes. "It didn't sound that great . but at least I stood up for myself."
>
>The judge ruled in the favor of Uribe, then pastor of a large parish in
>Whittier. After the hearing, when the priest's attorney discovered I had
been
>there, she ran back into the courtroom and unsuccessfully tried to get
the judge
>to seal the case. I could see why the priest's lawyer would try to cover
it up.
>People would be shocked at how callously the church dealt with a
priest's
>illegitimate son who needed money for food and medicine.
>
>My problem was that none of that surprised me anymore.
>
>As I walked into the long twilight of a ****tland summer evening, I felt
used up
>and numb.
>
>
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Subject: Re: A Pebble, A Stone, Or A Rock?
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:13:21 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:01:50 -0600, checker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>>>It's also the word for the rock foundation of which Christ is the
cornerstone.
>>>>And the rock foundation is the Papacy. For Jesus told Simon he was
"cephas", or
>>>>rock on a 1:1 translation.
>>
>>John 1:42 (New International Version)
>>42And he brought him to Jesus.
>> Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You
will be
>>called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter[a]).
>>Footnotes:
>>John 1:42 Both Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) mean rock.
>
>Try again:
"By this will all men know that you are my disciples: If you love
one another."
I am BETTING that you cannot/ that you WOULD NOT say "I love you,
John !"
;-)
John w
>
>Eph 2:19-22
>Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow
>citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20
>having been built onTHE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, Jesus
>Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the
>whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the
>Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling
>place of God in the Spirit.
>NKJV
>
>So according to GOD, the ROCK FOUNDATION was NOT any poopecy, but was
>ALL of the Apostles and Prophets. So you SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT.
>>
>>Ooops, chec, does this mean that Jesus spoke Aramaic when he called
Simon a
>>"rock"?
>
>Only in your mind, dukey, only in your mind. You have provided NO
>PROOF OF ANY SUCH THING. Just "opinion."
>
>Go figure!
>>
>>Wow!!!!!!!!
>>
>>>NO PAPACY ANYWHERE. TRY AGAIN.
>>
>>Historical for 2000 years now.
>
>No, historical for only about 1625 years now, and invented by the rcc.
>NOT ACCORDING TO GOD IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.
>
>>>EVERY CHRISTIAN HAS THE HOLY GHOST LIVING WITHIN US. (verse 9)
>>>Your poope has lied to you.
>>
>>Your church is lying to you, chec.
>>
>Rom 8:9-10
>9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit
>of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of
>Christ, he is not His.
>NKJV
>
>Since even your poope agrees that we Christian Baptists ARE
>Christians, you are contradicted by even your own pope!
>
>In the Name of Jesus Christ,
>Checker
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Subject: Re: A Pebble, A Stone, Or A Rock?
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wrote:
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>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:13:21 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:01:50 -0600, checker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>>>It's also the word for the rock foundation of which Christ is the
cornerstone.
>>>>And the rock foundation is the Papacy. For Jesus told Simon he was
"cephas", or
>>>>rock on a 1:1 translation.
>>
>>John 1:42 (New International Version)
>>42And he brought him to Jesus.
>> Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You
will be
>>called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter[a]).
>>Footnotes:
>>John 1:42 Both Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) mean rock.
>
>Try again:
How very sad, checker, that we argue the same causes, but you are so
intolerant and CHILDISH that you pay me no attention!
God forgive you!
You are NOT a mature Christian however you might PRETEND!
Anyone who isn't as "perfect" as you think YOU are is kicked to the
curb!
You are truly part of what is wrong with the church today!
"No tolerance, no patience, and no LOVE!"
john W
>
>Eph 2:19-22
>Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow
>citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20
>having been built onTHE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, Jesus
>Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the
>whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the
>Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling
>place of God in the Spirit.
>NKJV
>
>So according to GOD, the ROCK FOUNDATION was NOT any poopecy, but was
>ALL of the Apostles and Prophets. So you SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT.
>>
>>Ooops, chec, does this mean that Jesus spoke Aramaic when he called
Simon a
>>"rock"?
>
>Only in your mind, dukey, only in your mind. You have provided NO
>PROOF OF ANY SUCH THING. Just "opinion."
>
>Go figure!
>>
>>Wow!!!!!!!!
>>
>>>NO PAPACY ANYWHERE. TRY AGAIN.
>>
>>Historical for 2000 years now.
>
>No, historical for only about 1625 years now, and invented by the rcc.
>NOT ACCORDING TO GOD IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.
>
>>>EVERY CHRISTIAN HAS THE HOLY GHOST LIVING WITHIN US. (verse 9)
>>>Your poope has lied to you.
>>
>>Your church is lying to you, chec.
>>
>Rom 8:9-10
>9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit
>of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of
>Christ, he is not His.
>NKJV
>
>Since even your poope agrees that we Christian Baptists ARE
>Christians, you are contradicted by even your own pope!
>
>In the Name of Jesus Christ,
>Checker
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Subject: Re: A Pebble, A Stone, Or A Rock?
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> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:55:13 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>>>It's also the word for the rock foundation of which Christ is the
cornerstone.
>>>>>And the rock foundation is the Papacy. For Jesus told Simon he was
"cephas", or
>>>>>rock on a 1:1 translation.
>
>>>John 1:42 (New International Version)
>>>42And he brought him to Jesus.
>>> Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You
will be
>>>called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter[a]).
>>>Footnotes:
>>>John 1:42 Both Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) mean rock.
>
>>>Ooops, chec, does this mean that Jesus spoke Aramaic when he called
Simon a
>>>"rock"?
>>>Wow!!!!!!!!
>
>>>>NO PAPACY ANYWHERE. TRY AGAIN.
>>>Historical for 2000 years now.
>
>> Scripture-- not Rome-- is the foundation of our Christian Faith, and
>>there is NO mention of a "pope" in the Bible. You are imagining it!
>
>The job description is clearly presented in the bible.
The "job description" of God is filled.
There is no "pope" mentioned in the Bible, and every church in the
New Testament (and every New Testament church) is autonomous.
john w
>
>>And they can put a gun to my head (and they may), and I will NEVER bow
>>down to Rome! I bow ONLY to God!
>
>I don't bow to Rome either. Lay off the bottle, jw.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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Subject: Re: A Pebble, A Stone, Or A Rock?
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> wrote:
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>On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:00:38 +0100, Andrew <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>
>>> Of course, that is Jesus, and Peter is the rock foundation on which
Jesus built
>>> his Church.
>
>>Jesus said that Peter (a person) was the rock (singular noun) on which
>>he would build his church. No mention of bishops. No mention of
>>succession. No mention of Rome. There is nothing whatsoever in this
>>statement that qualifies the episcopacy of Rome as leaders of
>>Christianity.
>
>Correction - the rock foundation.
Lie!
Jesus Christ is The Rock, not Pete!
john w
And succession is clearly historical, which
>you ortho boys want to deny. Why?
>
>Could the answer be..............PRIDE? That's one of the 7 deadly
sins.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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> wrote:
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>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:46:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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>>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:23:18 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:11:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is NO scriptural basis-- NONE-- for "proving" that Peter was
>>>>the "first pope." NONE.
>>>Sure there is. Mat 16:13-20, Acts 15:7.
>> You twist 2 passages, but you can't re-write the whole Old Testament.
>
>The words of God are pretty clear in those passages,
snip
You truly have NO THING to say to me that I wish to hear!
I continue to wonder why a PAGAN like you continues to troll in a
BAPTIST group.
I think you have lost your way, pagan!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Another JW lie exposed!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:09:38 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:32:57 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:48:52 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>> you wouldn't need to worry
>>your psycho self about my posts!
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>demoniac!
>
>
>Talking to yourself again, short bus?
Who are you calling short bus, short bus?
And if you could READ, stupid person, you'd have seen I was talking
to Phar Lap!
GEEZE, you are one stupid broad!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Another JW lie exposed!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:08:13 -0700
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:06:47 -0400, "Scout Lady" <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> ^^^^^As SL often CORRECTLY points out, INAPPROPRIATE AFFECTATION duly
>> noted....................
>>
>The term is actually inappropriate affect.
>http://tinyurl.com/ys3jns
>
>
Once again, we see Queen Charge Nurse Elaine The Pain, using the
wrong terminology!
roll on floor laughing my ASS off!
smirk.
Sanity strikes again (Cathy does have her moments), and the POMPOUS
ASS Elaine takes YET another tumble!!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Another JW lie exposed!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:06:47 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:41:32 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:53:13 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: hell no- permission DENIED!
>
>
>
>
>Hey, old man- you claimed yesterday that 'you were putting me in the
>kill file ' -- another LIE I see!!!
Actually, you have "kill filed" many over the years. Then you
"changed your mind" without telling anyone.
If you can do it, I can do it.
I changed my mind. Your vitriol sometimes needs responding go!
If you don't want me to come back and kick your ass, then get
control of yourself.
>
>>Actually, I wrote two letters, but you "put the fix in", which means
>>you simply jeopardized the careers of those foolish enough to "cover
>>your ass!"
>>
>
>Oh, my- you really are in a paranoid state, aren't you?
??? What's "paranoid" about seeing a problem and attempting to do
something about it? You do it! Or you CLAIM to do it!
And when I see the op****tunity, I shall act again!
>
>>Now, when I DO drag your ASS into court, there will be half-a-dozen or
>>so conspirators (your "buddies") who will be called to answer for why
>>they didn't do something about YOU!
>>
>Now now, liar-johnnie-- go to the caregivers and ask them for a
>sedative -------- you need one, obviously
Anyone who opposes your insanity needs a sedative?
smirk.
>
>>;-)
>^^^^^As SL often CORRECTLY points out, INAPPROPRIATE AFFECTATION duly
>noted....................
>
As if you and Cathy are The Authorities on "inappropriate
affect"!!
rotflmao
>>
>> He was all mouth
>>>and no action. He had no action because he had nothing to go on.
>>
>> As is usual, you're a LIAR.
>> But you know that!
>>
>
>Sure, sure, liar short bus johnnie --- whatever you want to claim if
>it keeps you calm!!!
Short bus, you are no authority on ANYTHING I can think of.
And you have AGAIN wasted enough of my time for one post!
>>>
>>>Anyone wi****ng to check with the College will quickly learn I have an
>>>untarnished history,
>>
>>"So far!"
>>
>>But once a dozen of the patients you ABUSED are interviewed, you may
>>well spend some time in PRISON!
>>
>
>Oh, indeed, indeed, liar-johnnie!!!!!!!!!!
>What patients would those be, old boy?
>
>
>> much to liar-johnnie's chagrin.
>>>
>>>
>>>He CLAIMED he would have my license pulled....... yes----- but the
>>>poor fool
>>
>> ^ ^ that's libel!
>>
>Not at all- YOU DID CLAIM you would have my license to practice
>revoked. YOU are the libeler, old man, not me.
>
>>had nothing but his LIES to back him up. ''Needless to say,
>>
>> You DID say when you were working that QUITE a few (I don't recall
>>you giving a #) of your patients were "faking it." That's not for you
>>to say!
>>
>show the post, old man!
>
>>
>>>I retired quite gracefully last year, from the profession which I
>>>chose and worked diligently at since 1974.
>>
>> I CAN ensure that you never get back into the profession!!
>>
>> Shall we see if I can?
>>
>
>Do you not even know the meaning of the word R-E-T-I-R-E, liar
>johnnie?
>And you call yourself a 'writer'? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
>>
>>>The crud isn't WORTH trying to sue, since he was unable to do me any
>>>personal harm, either to profession or reputation.
>>>
>>> But thanks for your concern. :o)
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Here it is!!
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:49:40 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:44:55 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>I knew I had it archived.
>
> Here, liar-johnnie posted as 'Jeremiah' and put in the 'reply-to:
>"The Holy Spirit"
>
> Care to deny that now, liar-johnnie?
I have replied to this nonsense SEVERAL times, Elaine.
You misunderstood the post, as you USUALLY do.
I did NOT mean what you falsely believe I meant, and when you said
what you said, I IMMEDIATELY corrected your PERVERSE
mis-interpretation.
You-- however-- yet AGAIN prefer to believe that YOU know better
what I mean than I do.
You CANNOT read minds, no matter how much you would LOVE for people
to think you can.
You REALLY need help, Elaine. You are NOT a mind-reader, and you
are NOT a psychic!
I MEANT that those who were going to reply, should so in prayer "To
The Holy Spirit."
Of COURSE you are going to reply, "That's NOT what you meant!"
You CAN NOT KNOW what I meant!
And to say you DO "KNOW WHAT I MEANT" indicates that you are
EXTREMELY mentally ill!!
This is ALSO like the 3rd or 4th time you have posted exactly this
same post within the past 24 hours or so!
How many times are you going to PRETEND that you "just found it?"
And how many times are you going to PRETEND that you are posting it
for the first time?
"NONSENSE!"
"enuf"
john w
>
>
>From: j w <john_w@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
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>>Many here already know that the party posting under the name'
Jeremiah'
>>is really John W ----
>>
>>But I happened to notice something in his header that really makes me
>>wonder. Dig this:
>>
>>From: jeremiah <jere@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Don't tell me he thinks he's the Holy Spirit now?
>
>Such a comment / assumption could only come from a person who is very
>mentally disturbed, and who is spiritually a total wack job.
>
>IT never occurred to this psychotic person that
>#1 I am looking for a new identity (perhaps as "Jeremiah", perhaps
>someone else)
>#2 I am suggesting that those whom I touch should get on their knees
>in prayer to God.
>
>>
>>This is disgusting.
>
>Your ongoing diabolical assumptions and your belief that you can read
>my every thought are what is disgusting.
>
>>
>>And I'm wa****ng my hands of the creep.
>
>I got the impression you had washed your hands of me a long time ago.
>Otherwise, what has been the meaning of you shadowing me like Peter
>Pan's shadow and tossing rocks at every op****tunity?
>
>Miss Perfect.
>
>>
>>Methinks he's best left up to God to handle.
>
>True. I think the same of you. Nevertheless, your belief that I am
>best left to God hasn't stopped your evil thoughts and your motor
>mouth.
>
>Of course, a RATIONAL person would have asked me to clarify, "John,
>are you trying to say you believe you're the Holy Spirit, now?"
>
> Elaine being FAR from rational, she prefers her assumptions AGAIN,
>rather than asking for clarifying information.
>
>Elaine seems to have been taking lessons on "ASSUME, ASSUME, ASSUME
>and then make FLAGRANT leaps in logic" from her bud, Scout Lady. (And
>then pretend those leaps of logic are statements made by the other
>person, or something they told you in secret.)
>
>>
>>I did start challenging him and his lies again, but after seeing this,
>>it's obvious he is more to be pitied than laughed at.
>
>p k
>
>I have not called myself God. I know better. YOU have called yourself
>spiritually perfect and "responsible to no man." That is a problem.
>
>But I forgive your ongoing apostasies. God still loves you; however,
>you still must repent.
>
>jw
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Another JW lie exposed!
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>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:24:25 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> You can claim to know Him til Doom's Day! The question will be, will
>>He claim to know you!
>QUESTION MARK needed , old boy, not an exclamation mark - and YES--
>JESUS WILL say HE KNOWS ME.
"Good point!" He will claim to know Satan, too!
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:48:50 GMT, "A. Watcher!" <awatcher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>"**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote in
>> No one branch of the church has a monopoly on the truth. Differences
>> between denominations or congregations - or even within them - reflect
the
>> rich diversity and variety of the social, cultural and temperamental
>> backgrounds from which those people come.
>
>The NT Apostles stated there was "ONE faith and ONE baptism" the
>"denominations or congregations" have made it into a multi-faith
>conglomerate of diverse heretics, which were to be 'rejected' such being
>already 'self-condemned'.
So which do you condemn?
Those who wor****p on Sunday, or those who wor****p on Saturday?
Which do you condemn, the vegetarians or the meat eaters?
Which do you condemn, those who insist that ONLY the KJV is valid
(which one)? Or do you condemn those who prefer the NIV/ The NASB? The
NLT?
Which do you condemn? Those who use grape juice in their Lord's
Table? Or those who use wine?
They often condemn each other!
Which would YOU condemn?
>
>>If you belong to Christ and I belong to Christ, we belong to each other
and
>>we need each other. Nothing should divide us. So we should accept one
>>another, as we are each accepted by God (Romans 15:7).
>
>Only if such a unity is based on Christ's commands and Apostolic
teaching,
>if not, it's a sinful alliance with evil people who "Hold the truth in
>unrighteousness".
>Think about it!
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,free.christians
Subject: Re: Get a life John.....
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:42:45 -0700
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> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:27:59 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:27:31 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On THAT, we agree!
>>>>
>>>> john w
>>>
>>> 'You' have NO opinion to offer, short bus.
>>
>> Who in the HELL do YOU think YOU are to call ME "retarded?"
>
> Hi retard, whats up ??
Talk about libel and lies, ^ ^ is both.
And you are most definitely KILLING yourself with rage!
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,free.christians
Subject: Re: Get a life John.....
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:34:23 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:25:26 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:14:07 GMT, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:44:42 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> Tired of Phonies wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 1:01 pm, Rod <kc0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>> And you figure you have what it will take to heal me?
>>>>>> Nope, only God can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before
>>>>>>> you condemn me,
>>>>>> Don't mistake what I said for condemnation, Rodney. It merely was
an
>>>>>> observation of your overt, expressed violent nature and sick,
twisted
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>> You're the one owning a gun, redneck and
>>>> Interesting take from a twisted psychotic with ANGER issues!
>>>>
>>>> Hundreds of years ago, men who were smarter than YOU decided that
>>>> it was in our nation's best interests to make every law-abiding
>>>> citizen a gun owner!
>>>>
>>>> You know better than them, right?
>>> Evidently you aren't that smart. You're the one that recognized
>>> that I have anger issues, I recognized it as well. Now as angry
>>> as i am at this man and as much as I hate him, do you think it is
>>> a wise idea to put guns within my reach ? No, it isn't a wise idea,
>>> but then I can hunt him down with a club or a knife, now can't I ?
>>>
>>> Do you understand now ? It's about accepting personal
responsibility
>>> for your feelings and your actions, and it starts with you. I have,
>>> I deal with me daily. I know that if I give in to me I'm not
different
>>> then the guy behind the bars, so I'm going to bust my ass to be
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Now I know thst several of you don't like issues dealing with guns
>>> and gun control, but you need the laws to protect your families and
>>> your children, and if you keep things the way they are then that
tells
>>> me that you value the lives of these people much less than your
right
>>> to own your killing toys.
>>
>> "killing toys."
>>
>>
>> ALL you have said is that no one-- NO ONE-- has the RIGHT to see
>> things different than YOU do!
>
>
> Sure. Whatever you say John.
>
>
>>
>> And I'll say it again, until you choose to get help, stay out of MY
>> face, and I won't have to get in YOURS!
>
>
> BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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> HA!
Yep! You're Elaine by another nick!
And ^^^
that was a VERY mature response!
>
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> Rod
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Get a life John.....
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:30:15 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:57:46 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w <johnw wrote:
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>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:32:31 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:39:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>> "Cute!" NOT! I was referring to your attempting to advise ELAINE.
>>>>> She's no more open to other POVs than YOU!
>>>> Why are you lying?
>>>
>>> Lying's all johnnie-derie knows, Robyn.
>>
>> That's called "libel", Crazy Elaine!
>>
>>
>
> Not when it's the truth !
I'm a journalist, stupid person! I continue to think you're Elaine!
"libel" is a lie.
And very little of what Elaine the Crazy says about me or anyone
else is "the truth."
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Get a life John.....
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:28:58 -0700
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:57:10 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:23:13 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are too insane to deal with!
>>>
>>> If ANYONE is 'too insane to deal with, liar weatherless, it's YOU.
>>
>> I will remind you again, Elaine, that every time you call me a liar,
>> you commit another count of libel. Every time you very childishly
>> call me "weatherless," you prove to the court yet again that you are
>> not a responsible adult.
>> That's the silly stuff children do!
>>
>>
>>
>
> And making hypothetical death threats is something a fricking
> lunatic will do....lunatic as in Weatherless.....
"hypothetical death threats?"
What the HELL are you talking about??
"You know what? NEVER mind!"
Every time I reply to one of your mind-numbingly STUPID,
self-absorbed, la****ng out in blind range posts...
I wonder why I bothered!
I suspect the only way you're going to figure out that you're not
the center of the known universe is for some LUCKY dude to knock you
on your ass and loosen a few teeth!
I hope it's on the news, so I can have a good laugh!
>
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> Rod
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Subject: Re: Get a life John.....
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> wrote:
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:38:19 GMT, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:37:15 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:34:53 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:14:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And now that you've admitted to being a psychic, it's entirely
>>>>>>>> appropriate to call you a WITCH!!
>>>>>>> Oh, you poor old sad sack!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can prove ghostly presence by some piccies I've taken, but a
moron
>>>>>>> like you would never be able to admit I'm correct.
>>>>>> You and I are going to have to talk about that Elaine, privately
!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rod
>>>>> sure-- send me an email if you like, Rod.
>>>> There you go, Elaine! Allow an unbeliever to side up to you and
take
>>>> you by the hand and draw you closer and closer to the pit!
>>>
>>> Listen you fundie numbskull, there is more to this life than your
>>> bible and what is contained within it's pages. If you would pull
>>> your head out of your ass long enough to take a deep breath and
>>> look around you would see things occurring with a regularity that
>>> the bible doesn't even cover, let alone mention!
>>
>> If you knew your ass from a hole in the wall, the Bible DOES mention
>> paranormal activity.
>
>
> Who said anything about the paranormal? I didn't! Why are you having
> a conversation with me when you can have one with yourself?
>
>
>
>>
>> But with that ATTITUDE, I see no point in discussing ANY topic with
>> you further!
>> You think I've learned NOTHING, experienced NOTHING in 60 years?
>
> That about sums er' up!
???
smirk.
YOu are truly a numbskull!
You aren't "dealing with your HATE!"
You express it for others daily!
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