up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
Then -- without leaving the sink or turning the water on-- I can pick
up the soap again and wash my hands again, and rinse them again, and
dry them again.
I can do that 25 times before I turn the water off or leave the sink.
OR, I can visit the kitchen sink-- say-- once an HOUR-- to be sure my
hands are clean.
Which activity is useful, and which is useless?
If I wash and rinse and dry 25 times before I STOP (that's what you
are doing when you CHANT the Rosary 25 times)
If I wash a dozen times in a DAY, I am keeping my hands clean, because
I am doing dirty work.
Unfortunately, you are so brain dead, you can't detect the REAL
difference. In other words, for YOU (and HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of Roman
Catholics), it's become "rote".
It's only "meaningful" because you've been told that it is.
In the hand wa****ng, the first thing you know, your hands are raw and
bleeding (excessive, unnecessary, HARMFUL hand wa****ng)
In the Rosary, excessive, unnecessary chanting, and it's excessive,
and it's HARMFUL (it's actually self-hypnosis)
Are you TRULY THAT stupid, that brainwashed?
tsk tsk
>
>>And you must think God is deaf!
>>"Our Father..."
>
>>"Eh?" Can't heah you! Speak up!" "In the GOOD ear!" "NOt that one!
>>The OTHER one!"
>
>Do you pray, jw?
Sure, I pray! Are you daft?
> How about an example?
Certainly! You have asked a VERY intimate question, but I can share
some not-so-personal prayers.
"Our Father, who is in Heaven. Hallowed be your name! Your kingdom
come, your will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven!"
Or,
"Lord Jesus, I ask you to bless this meal! Forgive any sins I've
committed so far to day, bless my loved ones, bless our nation's
leaders. In Jesus' name, Amen!"
"Lord Jesus, as I lay down to sleep tonight, I again confess any sins
I've committed. I'm sorry I got mad and took your name in vain. I am
sorry I had lustful thoughts about my cute neighbor next door! I am
sorry I cursed my building manager under my breath. Forgive me for
cursing at the TV this evening! Help me get better control of my
temper.
Help me to spend more time in the Bible, and less time watching the
tube! And help me to find more op****tunities to share the gospel!
In Jesus name, bless my sleep! Help me get some rest!"
I have a big day tomorrow! Don't let me get too busy for you, and
don't let me get too busy to be helpful to others! Help me find ways
to share Jesus with others!
Amen!
Maybe you'd like to try praying some REAL prayers, Earl!
All prayer is is "talking to God".
And if you get "stuck" with what to pray, start with Psalm 1, and read
them through to the last Proverb.
Many have complained over the centuries, "I don't know what words to
use." Pray the Psalms and Pray the Proverbs.
Or just talk about what's on your mind, and ask God what's on His
mind!
There's absolutely NO ONE THERE but God, and you.
So you TRULY can be candid, and honest.
One of my buddies at church one Sunday evening, during "Sunday night
with the pastor, in a Question and Answer" session, asked our pastor
(senior pastor), "Dr ______ (don't recall which one)
should I tell God I'm REALLY pissed off? At HIM?
The pastor laughed. "What makes you think God doesn't already KNOW
you're really pissed off. At Him?
shouldn't we be HONEST with God?
Perhaps it would make us feel better OCCASIONALLY to tell God WHY
we're pissed off. At Him!
(He knows, but it makes us feel better)
john w
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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Subject: Re: In Fact, Mark Bilbo...
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>snip
>>
>> An unformed, uneducated, illiterate HATER.
>
>This describes you PERFECTLY.
>
>Unlike you, Mark's actually a published author. Look him up, genius.
Or
>are you too stupid to figure out how to do that?
I also note that Mark didn't have the stones to reply to my post that
included actual LINKs to the stories about the buses the Mayor didn't
use in N O!!
Not that YOU care about facts.
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Subject: Re: In Fact, Mark Bilbo...
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:06:40 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>snip
>>
>> An unformed, uneducated, illiterate HATER.
>
>This describes you PERFECTLY.
>
>Unlike you, Mark's actually a published author. Look him up, genius.
Or
>are you too stupid to figure out how to do that?
Oh! And remind me once again, darlin', why I have anything to prove
to you.
I keep forgetting.
(and you know everything)
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Subject: Re: In Fact, Mark Bilbo...
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:06:40 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>snip
>>
>> An unformed, uneducated, illiterate HATER.
>
>This describes you PERFECTLY.
Any comment on the actual topic of the thread, asshole?
Didn't think so!
You, like your sockpuppet lover Elaine, would rather harass people
than have anything constructive to say.
>
>Unlike you, Mark's actually a published author.
lol!!
john w
snip
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Subject: Re: In Fact, Mark Bilbo...
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:45:48 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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author
>On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:30:39 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:38:50 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:05:19 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>john w
>>>
>>>
>>>Go take your meds and calm down, weatherless--- and be quiet for a
>>>change.
>>
>>
>>Take your own advice, psycho!
>>
>You're not qualified to attempt to diagnose anyone, infidel.
>
>
>>"remove the ranch house from your eye and you will be able to see the
>>speck of sawdust in John's eye!"
>>
>>
>Would that be that imaginary 'four-storey' ranch house you used to
>post about old boy?
> Four storey-- NO ranch house has four storeys, you moron!
I love how you sidetrack the topic again and again and again and
again, from the thread (subject) to you!
You are SUCH an attention whore!
What do you now have to say about Mark Bilbo being unaware of the
buses that the Mayor of N O refusing to use to evacuate Katrina
victims?
Any USEFUL remarks?
I didn't think so!
You're too busy with your obsessing and badmouthing, to do anything
CONSTRUCTIVE!
>
>>(that's called "application.")
>>
>I call it a damn good comeback.
> You're welcome.
>>
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Subject: Re: In Fact, Mark Bilbo...
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:20:14 GMT, "Rod" <freelance74601@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
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>
>On 4-Aug-2006, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>spoke....:
>
>> Yet the Mayor whined and shrieked "Wa****ngton, come save us", and he
>> let his citizens DROWN because he was too INCOMPETENT to go get those
>> buses! He could have moved 26,000 people with the school buses and the
>> municipal buses!
>
> John;
>
> I've heard this same thing from two former city employees of New
orleans
> that were relocated to my former home of Em****ia Kansas. I for one
> believe their is a great deal of truth behind what you've said here
so
> far..
>
Thanks, Rod! And, note, Mark Bilbo didn't respond to half-a-dozen
news links-- ONE from a Senior Correspondent from MSNBC NEWS!
He attacks people who he thinks don't know. HE doesn't know!
I don't run my mouth! While I don't ALWAYS present do***entation, it
only took me like 5 minutes and 3 searches to come up with several
HUNDRED links. You just have to type in the right words. All I ended
up typing in was "New Orleans Buses". After I waded through 2 pages of
"New Orleans Bus" ads, I found the rest was page after page after page
of the buses the Mayor hadn't bothered to use, with his people
DROWNING.
And the local news and national news from here in Seattle had choppers
flying overhead, doing video feeds (live) of the buses in those bus
yards. The media kept asking the Mayor, "MAYOR! WHY AREN'T YOU USING
THESE BUSES? " Day after day after day after day, those buses sat
there, and day after day after day, he yelled, "Why isn't Wa****ngton
helping?"
He is incompetent, and the lives of THOUSANDS are his responsibility!
NO comment from Mark!
NONE!
Even when I CHALLENGED him DIRECTLY,
No comment from Mark!
John
>
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>the
>> >> >> >> author
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the
Catholic
>> >Church
>> >> >for
>> >> >> >> >> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>> >> >> >> >> >"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>> >> >> >> >> >Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>> >> >> >> >> >passage, you don't see it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> What part of SYMBOLIC don't you understand?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Jesus made it very clear that He meant what He said,
>> >> >> >> >"This IS My Body."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Actually, He didn't!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Because, AFTER He SAID, "This is my body, this is my blood",
He
>THEN
>> >> >> >> said, "so every time you eat this BREAD, and drink this
CUP..."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> meaning, you believe what you WANT to believe, and what you
are
>TOLD
>> >> >> >> to believe!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I could list a DOZEN things He said and MEANT, but you IGNORE
>those
>> >> >> >> things!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> And, I continue to have a question, which ALL Roman Catholics
>AVOID.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If He TRULY wanted us to eat His flesh, and drink His actual
>blood,
>> >> >> >> why didn't He rip an arm off, roast it, feed it to the
apostles,
>and
>> >> >> >> grow a new one?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Maybe He couldn't!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why didn't He use a sharp rock to open a vein, and give them
His
>> >> >> >> ACTUAL BLOOD?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Why was He reduced to MAGIC?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism?
You
>> >> >believe
>> >> >> >in magic too.
>> >>
>> >> Sad. YOU see no difference between the words "mystical", and
"magic."
>> >>
>> >> tsk tsk
>> >
>> >The problem is that you use them incorrectly.
>> >
>> >> The discernment we get from the Holy Spirit, where is that?
>> >>
>> >> You have NONE!
>> >>
>> >> A first year Bible student who has the Holy Spirit guiding him has
>> >> more spiritual understanding than you do, Steve!
>> >
>> >And all the first year students who have the Holy Spirit telling them
>> >contradicting things have more understanding?
>> >
>> >Hmm ... I doubt it's the Holy Spirit.
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was using the term "magic" here in a negative way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is nothing negative or "magical" (sleight of hand) or
occult
>> >> >> about baptism.
>> >> >
>> >> >There is something mystical, though, you tell us. A mystical
power.
>> >Yours
>> >> >is mystical power, ours is magic ... so saith John W.
>> >>
>> >> AGAIN, Steve, I see utterly NOTHING to be gained from this
>> >> "discussion".
>> >
>> >Then don't waste your time.
>> >
>> >> You simply do not give one single inch. I have in the past few
weeks
>> >> conceded SEVERAL points. IN the past YEAR, I believe you have
conceded
>> >> one TINY one.
>> >
>> >I do not bow to your idols.
>>
>> No, Steve, you bow to YOUR idols!
>
>I don't have idols. You know that.
You DO have idols, but your spiritual blindness (your demons cause it)
don't allow you to see the OBVIOUS. Rome LIES to you, and you believe
ROME instead of clear scripture.
Those statues of people ("the saints") in your "sanctuaries" and
cathedrals are IDOLS, pal!
LEV 26:1 " `Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for
yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down
before it. I am the LORD your God.
DT 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you
at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully,
16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol,
an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or
like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like
any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters
below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon
and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing
down to them and wor****ping things the LORD your God has ap****tioned
to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the LORD took you
and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be
the people of his inheritance, as you now are.
No images of man, woman, animal, bird, or fish is allowed in the
sanctuary.
If you knew the BIBLE, pal, you wouldn't be making these STUPID
remarks!
;-)
Hatred doesn't let you admit it.
Kindly do not impose your IGNORANCE on me! I do not hate you! I hate
the anti-Christ CULT you belong to!
And I am AGAIN recommending (strongly) that we take a LONG break from
you. If you are too stupid to figure out that I am immune from your
proselytizing. You have been at this with me for over 5 YEARS now!
You have not budged; nor have *I*!
>
>> And-- for the record-- dumbass LIAR--
>
>That's your legacy, not mine.
You are a DUMBASS! You pretend to know the Bible! YOu do not!
You are a LIAR! YOu pretend to know the Bible, but you ONLY know
Catholicism.
>
>> I don't have any idols in my
>> life.
>
>That's not what it looks like here.
>
>Now it's time to killfile you ... you've gotten tiresome with your lies
and
>bickering.
pot kettle, baby!
And I should have killfiled your lying, Roman Catholic ass YEARS ago.
That's called "God's eternal patience!"
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:36:03 -0700
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>IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> RCC Examined 26
>>
>> These studies have been taken in part from "Christian Equippers
>> International" web site at:
>>
>> www.bibleb.com/CATHINFO.HTM
>>
>> Ritualism of the Roman Catholic Church 4
>>
>> 4. The Use of the Rosary- The rosary is a device consisting of a chain
>> of beads used in the ritualistic counting of repetitious prayers such
>> as Hail Marys and the Lord's Prayer. It was first introduced by a
>> monk named Peter the Hermit (1090 A.D.), but was not officially
>> sanctioned until the 16th century by the RCC. The repetitious recital
>> of prayers is a heathen practice specifically condemned by the Lord
>> Jesus Christ: "In your prayers do not babble as the pagans do, for
>> they think that by using many words they will make themselves heard.
>> DO NOT BE LIKE THEM" (Matt 6:7,8, J.B.V.).
>>
>> Note: It is interesting and telling that such pagan religions as
>> Buddhism, Islam and others also use beads and prayer wheels. Some
>> pagans also used stones dropped into a container to count their
>> prayers to their gods. There is no doubt that the RCC is indeed
>> practicing these same pagan rituals. RCC prayers get no higher than
>> their heads for God never hears them and they pray in vain.
>>
>> Roman Catholics-flee while you still can!
>
>No device will help a person who is ignorant of the way of prayer or
>unwilling to meet the necessary obligations. Like you.
When our Lord Jesus gave us the PERFECT prayer, He prayed, "Our
Father..." Nor did He say, "pray this 25 times before you stop!"
What you are indicating, David, is that you don't even understand how
to pray!
tsk tsk
john w
>>
>>
>> "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John
>> 8:32).
>
>And those of us who know the truth ARE free, unlike you, who only think
>you know the truth and whose "truth" is only what you can use to stroke
>the true god of all narcissists--your ego.
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:08:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:00:36 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>It's good to point out your ignorance to you. We aren't babbling, but
praying.
>
>>You are not praying; you are babbling. How many HUNDREDS of times must
>>you repeat the same words before you believe God hears you?
>>tsk tsk
>
>You should try it some times, jw. It's good to pray.
If you believe that repeating the Rosary over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over
is prayer, evidently, you don't understand real prayer.
And you must think God is deaf!
"Our Father..."
"Eh?" Can't heah you! Speak up!" "In the GOOD ear!" "NOt that one!
The OTHER one!"
tsk tsk
>
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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>On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:05:19 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>john w
>
>
>Go take your meds and calm down, weatherless--- and be quiet for a
>change.
Take your own advice, psycho!
;-)
"remove the ranch house from your eye and you will be able to see the
speck of sawdust in John's eye!"
(that's called "application.")
:-)
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Subject: Re: Peter Was NOT A Pope -- Please!
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>That is so true..which is why the argument "it isnt in the bible" is
>not a valid point.
In this case, you are correct. However, in many cases, the point IS
valid.
and in many cases where a specific issue is not mentioned, enough
similar teaching is given that we can draw a fairly specific
conclusion.
What too many do NOT understand is that the Bible is DELIBERATELY
silent on MANY modern issues meaning that God grants many more freedom
than they're comfortable with.
For that reason, such "leader****p" as that found within the Vatican,
and such leader****p as that found in Calvinism and the "Reformed"
churches go to great lengths to "fill in the gaps" God left, and
"correct" His divine omissions.
That is, "just because God didn't see fit to forbid _____, and _____,
and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
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_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
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_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
_____, and _____, and _____, and _____, and
(I believe you will get the idea)
Doesn't mean that, all those things are "ok."
In fact, that is PRECISELY what those "blanks" mean!
To say that _____ (something the Bible does not forbid (like eating
candy)) is wrong, even though the Bible doesn't say so, is to say,
"well, you must pray over which brand of toothpaste to use." Or, "you
must pray whether to use a gentle brush, a medium brush, or a firm
brush.
Why don't all men pray over whether to cross their shoelaces to the
right or left?
There are TRULY 10,000 issues that come up in our lives on which God
simply has "No Opinion!"
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>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:13:20 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> author
>> >> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:54:37 GMT, "Andrew"
<andrew.321remov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>"God established the Catholic Church for All" wrote in message
>> >news:1154389330.015518.179570@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >>>> "duke" wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > .. there is a Church founded by Christ that celebrates the
Mass,
>> >has 7
>> >> >>>> > sacraments, and a man leader****p (Papacy) under the guidance
of
>the
>> >> >>>> > Holy Spirit.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Now what?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > duke, American-American
>> >> >>>> > *****
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> When we read the account of the early church in the book of
Acts
>and
>> >NT
>> >> >>>> epistles, we find that although Peter was one of the pillars
of
>the
>> >church, he
>> >> >>>> was not the pope, or a pope - it's not there.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> They didn't speak English during the time of Saint Peter,
"Pope"
>> >> >>> is an English word.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Therefore, the whole idea is a deception to promulgate the
>> >unscriptural idea
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Therefore, your entire statement is incorrect, see above.
Saint
>Peter
>> >> >>> IS the 1st Pope of Gods Catholic church.
>> >> >
>> >> >>This is true according to what they taught you, but if you read
the
>> >account
>> >> >>of the early church in the book of Acts and the NT epistles...
you
>will
>> >find
>> >> >>that although Peter was one of the pillars of the church, he was
not
>a
>> >pope.
>> >> >
>> >> >So............what is a pope?
>> >>
>> >> A "pope" is an anti-Christ, a phony baloney invention of corrupt
human
>> >> beings.
>> >
>> >If that's the definition of "pope" then Peter was never a pope, and
nor
>was
>> >John Paul II, and Benedict XVI isn't pope either. But they're still
the
>> >leaders of the Christian community,
>>
>> No, they are not! I can list you probably 2,000 churches without even
>> breathing hard, that do not acknowledge the Roman Catholic pope.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> I certainly don't.
>
>Your opinion is equal to the sum on the first century AD churches
multiplied
>by the number of first century Baptist congregations. Zero.
>
>> chosen by God.
>>
>> No! he is chosen by a bunch of silly old retards in Rome who wear
>> funny dresses!
>>
>>
>> And, yes, I have only the worst possible CONTEMPT for the practice,
>> and for the old PERVERTS who "choose your pope."
>>
>> He / and they usurp the rightful place of the Holy Spirit.
>
>Nope, that's you.
>
>> And MANY of the "decrees from the Vatican" are counter-Biblical!
>>
>> (that means AGAINST the Holy Spirit)
>
>Nonsense.
>
>> john w
>>
>> >
>> >> Or further, who is a pope?
>> >>
>> >> There is no church office in the Bible called "pope", so take your
>> >> choice!
>> >>
>> >> You want to be pope this week?
>> >>
>> >> I'll take next week!
>> >>
>> >> There are no cardinals. There are no archbishops.
>> >>
>> >> There are priests, and there are bishops.
>> >
>> >What is the name of your church's bishop?
>>
>> Dr Whatsittoya
>
>So you're not attending a biblical church then.
Whatsittoya?
You have not earned the right to ask me the time of day in Seattle!
;-)
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:17:33 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
chooses
>> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them
of
>> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
>refer
>> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to
be
>a
>> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>and
>> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>> >>
>> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian"
it's
>> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught
that
>> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe
549
>> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >
>> >To each individual?
>> >
>> >> the Roman
>> >> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> >> instead.
>> >
>> >It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>> >historical Christianity.
>> >
>> >> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other
denominations.
>> >
>> >If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be
problematic.
>But
>> >since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority,
and a
>> >teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>> >
>> >> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>> >>
>> >> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> >> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>> >
>> >Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and
infants,
>who
>> >believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
>present,
>> >and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including
and
>> >forbidding rock music, etc.
>> >
>> >> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday
wor****pper
>> >> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as long
as
>> >> both are tolerant.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p
with
>> >> the one who prefers the RSV.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with the
>> >> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - not picking
>> >> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although
many
>do
>> >so)
>> >>
>> >> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we have
in
>> >> Christ.
>> >>
>> >> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> >> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant
teaching.
>> >>
>> >> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>> >
>> >Of the virgin birth?
>>
>> Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could be
>> diversity?
>
>I never said you did.
>
>> I did not! Which means you CONTINUE to not understand "core teaching"
>> (virgin birth) from differences over which day we should wor****p!
>
>No, that's Adventism.
>
>> For you, there are 500 teachings that I would call "diversity"
>> teachings that you would call "core" teachings.
>
>Likewise. So it's all arbitrary. Who decides? You?
>
>> There simply is not FREEDOM of conscience in your religion.
>
>Then you don't understand it.
>
>> Which is
>> why I would never ever ever be a part of your religion. It forbids
>> individuality and thought.
>
>Then you don't understand it.
>
>> Yes, sure, let them be convinced, but one way is
>> >right, and the other is wrong.
>>
>> So, according to your rigid view, which is the correct Bible?
>
>The 73 book one. Anything else is relative truth.
>
>> According to your rigid view, what is the correct style of seating in
>> church?
>
>In some churches, there is no seating. They stand.
>
>> According to you, which is the correct type of wood to be used for
>> the pulpit?
>
>Who says it has to be wood? If it's wood, it is decreed that it be the
wood
>of a tree, and let anyone who denies that be anathema. All else is
>non-essential.
>
>> >> For example:
>> >> IF I eat meat, but you do not, then I should not eat meat in front
of
>> >> you.
>> >>
>> >> If you drink vodka, and I do not, then you should not drink your
vodka
>> >> in front of me.
>> >>
>> >> >but choosing how one will interpret the passages one accepts,
based on
>a
>> >> >variety of whims.
>> >>
>> >> AGAIN, you ridicule and dismiss a very im****tant teaching. "The
>> >> freedom in Christ to disagree on non-essentials."
>> >>
>> >> You do not have/ and you do not understand, the freedom in Christ
to
>> >> disagree on the non-essentials.
>> >
>> >And, it would seem, you have the freedom to define what non-
essentials
>are,
>> >while the rest do not.
>>
>> I have defined "non-essentials" MANY times, but in your atrophied
>> (Roman Catholicized) brain, you just don't get it.
>>
>> That means-- for you-- any teaching-- ANYTHING-- that comes out of
>> Rome, is a "core teaching."
>>
>> If the Roman Catholic Church ordered you to begin drinking your urine
>> tomorrow, you would.
>
>Nope, that's Baptists.
>
>Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and
to
>thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon
the
>wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with
you?
>
>> If it comes out of the Vatican, it's "core
>> teaching."
>
>You obviously haven't a clue about things like that.
You want the magical "power" of "eating His flesh" and "drinking His
blood!"
You want the magical "power" of praying to Mary and Peter.
You want the magical "power" of bowing down to the idols in your
cathedrals
You want the magical "power" you get from "indulgences".
You want the magical "power" of voting for a "pope" every -__ years.
You want the magical "power" of being sprinkled with "holy water"
periodically.
You want the magical "power" of burning candles when you "pray."
You want the magical "power" of chanting the "Rosary" 50 times a week.
But if there's any REAL mystical "power" in being immersed,
You shriek
"No THANKS!"
Why is that?
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:7pb0d2hqron0ondjl6ube20is84gs3vg75@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His
followers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> John 3
>> >> >>
>> >> >> JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into
the
>> >> >> Judean countryside,
>> >> >> where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because
there
>was
>> >> >> plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be
baptized.
>24
>> >> >> (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument
developed
>> >> >> between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the
matter
>of
>> >> >> ceremonial wa****ng.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was
with
>> >> >> you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
>> >> >> about--well,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ^ ^
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his
disciples,)
>> >> >> CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's EXPLANATORY, not CONTRADICTORY, information. It EXPLAINS
John 3.
>> >>
>> >> How many times do you plan on "explaining' this contradiction?
>> >>
>> >> That's probably 20 thus far this week!
>> >
>> >I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself.
>>
>> No, but the ONLY way you can explain the apparent CONTRADICTION
>> between John 3 and John 4 is to disregard John 3!
>
>Nope, you disregard John 4.
>
>> I strive to HARMONIZE them! He did baptize; not everybody who
>> "re****ted in" saw Him baptize.
>
>That phrase is not about what they saw, it's an explanation from John
(the
>Apostle) of what they said.
>
>> However, that view presents YOU a MAJOR problem!
>>
>> "He BAPTIZED," that is, He IMMERSED BELIEVERS IN WATER!
>>
>>
>> HORRORS!
>>
>>
>>
>> YOU SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE VERSES THAT SAY ' HE BAPTIZED' ANYONE!
>>
>> So YOU simply toss THOSE verses in the GARBAGE!
>>
>> " Well, John 3 says He did! John 4 says He didn't!"
>>
>> You're gonna go with John 4! ;-)
>
>You go with John 3. I harmonise them.
>
>> Why am I not surprised?
>>
>> (You're a Roman Catholic!)
>>
>>
>> --- INSTEAD-- I HARMONIZE them!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Nor do you need refer me to the Adventists!
>
>Why not? You're just as legalisting, believing in a religion of body
>posture rules and water volume.
>
On the contrary! I believe in baptizing BELIEVERS (like Jesus
believed). I don't base baptism on ASSUMPTIONS (like ASSUMING that
infants "simply MUST have been baptized" even though not one single
mention of an infant being "baptized" can be found in the New
Testament!
And I believe in being baptized like Jesus chose to be baptized, and
like His followers chose to do it.
And I don't argue over "we don't KNOW He was immersed!"
(but you REFUSE to be immersed "in case HE WAS")
There would be ABSOLUTELY NO SIN INVOLVED WHATSOEVER in being IMMERSED
in water.
But you STILL R E F U S E to do it!
Why?
Because ROME says "Don't!"
;-)
Sadly, you likely don't even know why you REFUSE to be immersed.
You just have been taught "that's not the way to do it!"
and you can't even remember when / if you were "baptized" as an
infant. All you have is a piece of paper that says you were!
But that is "good enough for you" because
Rome says so!
>God bless,
>Stephen
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:efp3d2d81jt19qaugu4uem0ujvc7fmd3ng@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:56 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:7pb0d2hqron0ondjl6ube20is84gs3vg75@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His
followers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> John 3
>> >> >>
>> >> >> JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into
the
>> >> >> Judean countryside,
>> >> >> where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because
there
>was
>> >> >> plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be
baptized.
>24
>> >> >> (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument
developed
>> >> >> between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the
matter
>of
>> >> >> ceremonial wa****ng.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was
with
>> >> >> you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
>> >> >> about--well,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ^ ^
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his
disciples,)
>> >> >> CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's EXPLANATORY, not CONTRADICTORY, information. It EXPLAINS
John 3.
>> >>
>> >> How many times do you plan on "explaining' this contradiction?
>> >>
>> >> That's probably 20 thus far this week!
>> >
>> >I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself.
>>
>> No, but the ONLY way you can explain the apparent CONTRADICTION
>> between John 3 and John 4 is to disregard John 3!
>
>Nope, you disregard John 4.
>
>> I strive to HARMONIZE them! He did baptize; not everybody who
>> "re****ted in" saw Him baptize.
>
>That phrase is not about what they saw, it's an explanation from John
(the
>Apostle) of what they said.
>
>> However, that view presents YOU a MAJOR problem!
>>
>> "He BAPTIZED," that is, He IMMERSED BELIEVERS IN WATER!
>>
>>
>> HORRORS!
>>
>>
>>
>> YOU SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE VERSES THAT SAY ' HE BAPTIZED' ANYONE!
>>
>> So YOU simply toss THOSE verses in the GARBAGE!
>>
>> " Well, John 3 says He did! John 4 says He didn't!"
>>
>> You're gonna go with John 4! ;-)
>
>You go with John 3. I harmonise them.
>
>> Why am I not surprised?
>>
>> (You're a Roman Catholic!)
>>
>>
>> --- INSTEAD-- I HARMONIZE them!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Nor do you need refer me to the Adventists!
>
>Why not? You're just as legalisting, believing in a religion of body
>posture rules and water volume.
>
On the contrary! I believe in baptizing BELIEVERS (like Jesus
believed). I don't base baptism on ASSUMPTIONS (like ASSUMING that
infants "simply MUST have been baptized" even though not one single
mention of an infant being "baptized" can be found in the New
Testament!
And I believe in being baptized like Jesus chose to be baptized, and
like His followers chose to do it.
And I don't argue over "we don't KNOW He was immersed!"
(but you REFUSE to be immersed "in case HE WAS")
There would be ABSOLUTELY NO SIN INVOLVED WHATSOEVER in being IMMERSED
in water.
But you STILL R E F U S E to do it!
Why?
Because ROME says "Don't!"
;-)
Sadly, you likely don't even know why you REFUSE to be immersed.
You just have been taught "that's not the way to do it!"
and you can't even remember when / if you were "baptized" as an
infant. All you have is a piece of paper that says you were!
But that is "good enough for you" because
Rome says so!
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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> wrote:
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>
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
chooses
>> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them
of
>> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
>refer
>> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to
be
>a
>> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>and
>> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>> >>
>> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian"
it's
>> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught
that
>> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe
549
>> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >
>> >To each individual?
>> >
>> >> the Roman
>> >> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> >> instead.
>> >
>> >It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>> >historical Christianity.
>> >
>> >> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other
denominations.
>> >
>> >If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be
problematic.
>But
>> >since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority,
and a
>> >teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>> >
>> >> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>> >>
>> >> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> >> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>> >
>> >Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and
infants,
>who
>> >believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
>present,
>> >and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including
and
>> >forbidding rock music, etc.
>> >
>> >> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday
wor****pper
>> >> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as long
as
>> >> both are tolerant.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p
with
>> >> the one who prefers the RSV.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with the
>> >> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - not picking
>> >> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although
many
>do
>> >so)
>> >>
>> >> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we have
in
>> >> Christ.
>> >>
>> >> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> >> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant
teaching.
>> >>
>> >> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>> >
>> >Of the virgin birth?
>>
>> Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could be
>> diversity?
>
>I never said you did.
Yes, you did!
And with THAT lie, I cut you off yet again!
Lie to someone else!
john w
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> x-no-archive: yes
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
chooses
>> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them
of
>> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
>refer
>> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to
be
>a
>> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>and
>> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>> >>
>> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian"
it's
>> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught
that
>> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe
549
>> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >
>> >To each individual?
>> >
>> >> the Roman
>> >> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> >> instead.
>> >
>> >It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>> >historical Christianity.
>> >
>> >> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other
denominations.
>> >
>> >If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be
problematic.
>But
>> >since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority,
and a
>> >teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>> >
>> >> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>> >>
>> >> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> >> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>> >
>> >Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and
infants,
>who
>> >believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
>present,
>> >and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including
and
>> >forbidding rock music, etc.
>> >
>> >> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday
wor****pper
>> >> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as long
as
>> >> both are tolerant.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p
with
>> >> the one who prefers the RSV.
>> >>
>> >> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with the
>> >> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - not picking
>> >> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although
many
>do
>> >so)
>> >>
>> >> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we have
in
>> >> Christ.
>> >>
>> >> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> >> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant
teaching.
>> >>
>> >> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>> >
>> >Of the virgin birth?
>>
>> Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could be
>> diversity?
>
>I never said you did.
Yes, you did!
And with THAT lie, I cut you off yet again!
Lie to someone else!
john w
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >
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>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
chooses
>> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them
of
>> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
>refer
>> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to
be
>a
>> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>and
>> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>> >>
>> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian"
it's
>> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught
that
>> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe
549
>> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >
>> >To each individual?
>>
>> Here we go again! I've discussed this REPEATEDLY, and yet you STILL
>> can't wrap your head around it! After I've discussed it from 50
>> different angles, it remains a complete MYSTERY to you!
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
>> Even if you disagreed, you SHOULD be able to understand it! Yet your
>> continued questions about the "priesthood of the believer" (Let each
>> of you make up his own mind) indicate you just don't get it!
>
>Let each person make up their own mind and theology.
You obviously
1. didn't look up the passage.
2. looked it up, but with your obvious spiritual blindness, you didn't
get it.
That's how Baptists
>work, it seems. You included. It's all arbitrary.
Not at all!
We are free to decide for ourselves on non-essentials. ALL the topics
in that passage are NON-ESSENTIALS.
feasts
holidays
foods to eat/avoid
days to wor****p
NON-essentials!
And I am betting you STILL don't get it!
(because you are so brainwashed you can only "comprehend" information
that's stamped "Rome Approved!"
ah hem.
john w
snipped the ongoing rantings and bs of Steven
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>> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
chooses
>> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them
of
>> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
>refer
>> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
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