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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:36:58 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:28:58 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"Peace Crusader" <acfernando@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:1154351436.139054.306910@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Dear John and my Fellowmen,
>> >>
>> >> john w wrote:
>> >>> I have not one single quibble with this post.
>> >>>
>> >>> Pax!
>> >>
>> >> My reply:
>> >> Thank you, John. I hope our fellowmen will accept that the spirit
in
>> >> us is neither male nor female. This spirit is the breath of life
that
>> >> God breathed into us to make our inanimate physical body (which
came
>> >> from the soil, hence should go back to the soil) move. It is the
>> >> physical body that is either male or female.
>> >>
>> >> Since the spirit came from God, we are like God. That is our
likeness
>> >> of God -- as spirit.
>> >>
>> >> I heard and learned this from a spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy
Spirit,
>> >> if you will believe it, who we (plural) talk to and record on audio
>> >> tape our sessions with Him.
>> >>
>> >> The true God enlighten us, illuminate and guide us to the path of
>> >> justice, to the path of reason, in order that we will not go astray
now
>> >> and forever.
>> >>
>> >> Pax!
>> >
>> >Jesus Christ established a Church, and told His Apostles, "He who
hears
>you
>> >hears me."
>>
>> Take your Roman Catholic CRAP and go elsewhere with it, TROLL!
>
>You're the one trolling in the Catholic group.
>
>> The Roman Catholic group is
>>
>>
>> < ---------------------
>>
>> that way!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >I don't remember Jesus saying anything about you.
>>
>> I see "John" in the New Testament. There's even a book with "John's"
>> name on it. (several, actually)
>
>Now you're claiming that not only is your church named in the Bible
(John of
>
>the Baptist Church) but you are the Apostle John?
>
>Wow. No wonder you've seen the church with the sign outside saying
"Genuine
>1st Century AD"
You are SUCH a pathetic pathological liar!
Of course, "Roman Catholic" and "liar" are kind of repetitive.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:08:28 -0700
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:42:24 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:13:10 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> ><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:mssvc2dgd2clhfk8ulmq9trjr4iiuhp36l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:08 -0400, "bam"
>> >> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>news:1omvc2de499qnqa0scd4i4isbpsehos9a6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0400, "bam"
>> >>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Bible is not owned by you lot, no matter how many times you
lie
>in
>> >>>> trying to claim it does, Bryan.
>> >>>
>> >>>Yep. We excommunicated Martin Luther and he ran off with our Bible.
>> >>>
>> >>>BAM
>> >>>
>> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Want a crying towel, sonny?
>> >
>> >No doc. I just don't want you doctoring up the Catholic faith,
calling it
>> >Baptist,
>>
>> I keep looking for the Catholics" in the New Testament! It just ain't
>> there!
>> You're makin' it up, aintcha?
>>
>> Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
>>
>> The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
>
>2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge,
>that if one died for all, then were all dead:
As I have said repeatedly, if you cannot discuss the issues with me
without using the KJV, we won't discuss the issues.
>2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not
>henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and
rose
>again.
>
>1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
>
>Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of
the
>body of Jesus Christ once for all.
>
>Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for
thou
>only art holy: for all nations shall come and wor****p before thee; for
thy
>judgments are made manifest.
>
>Catholic means universal - for all. That is the group for whom the
Gospel
>message is. All. That is why the Catholic Church is called the Church
for
>all.
Then SAY "the universal church".
But that is NOT what you mean! You do not mean "the universal church".
You DO mean the Roman Catholic church. Because there are Baptist
churches in as many places as there are Catholic churches!
>
>The Baptist Church is for Baptists only, though.
>
>> (the word "Baptist" is)
>
>Not the Baptist Church, though.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
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On 1 Aug 2006 22:44:00 -0700, "colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>john w wrote:
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>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:48:09 +1200, colp <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >Peace Crusader wrote:
>> >> Dear John and my Fellowmen,
>> >>
>> >> john w wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I have not one single quibble with this post.
>> >>>
>> >>>Pax!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My reply:
>> >> Thank you, John. I hope our fellowmen will accept that the spirit
in
>> >> us is neither male nor female. This spirit is the breath of life
that
>> >> God breathed into us to make our inanimate physical body (which
came
>> >> from the soil, hence should go back to the soil) move. It is the
>> >> physical body that is either male or female.
>> >>
>> >> Since the spirit came from God, we are like God. That is our
likeness
>> >> of God -- as spirit.
>> >
>> >Bzzzzt. Wrong answer.
>> >
>> >There is a difference between Ruach Elohim (the Spirit of God in
Genesis
>> >1:2) and the Elohim (Gods) who have descendants (eg Genesis 6:2).
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I heard and learned this from a spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy
Spirit,
>> >> if you will believe it, who we (plural) talk to and record on audio
>> >> tape our sessions with Him.
>> >
>> >How can you tell the "Holy Spirit" from a lying spirit?
>>
>>
>> Since the Bible is Holy Spirit-"derived" or Holy Spirit inspired,
>
>In part or in total? The Bible contradicts itself regarding the nature
>of deity, and several historical events.
Only in the opinions of those who are not reading it under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
When He guides us in our reading, there is no confusion.
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Subject: Re: The son of man
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:34:33 -0700
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On 2 Aug 2006 16:44:07 -0700, "David" <davecheryll@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>
>colp wrote:
>> john w wrote:
>> > x-no-archive: yes
>> > On 2 Aug 2006 03:44:43 -0700, "colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> > article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> > author
>> <snip>
>> > >> > >>>>Human beings cannot share in divinity.
>> >
>> > Says who?
>>
>> My adversary.
>>
>
>That would be me.
>
>> Jesus shared in divinity.
>
>Jesus was divine colp. He was the Word made flesh. God can become man
>while at the same time remaining God, but man cannot become God.
>
>> Jesus was a human being.
>
>Jesus was God colp, the Word made flesh.
>
>> Therefore human beings can share in divinity.
>>
>
>Wrong again colp, human beings cannot share in divinity. You simply
>fail to understand my argument, because you misunderstand the Biblical
>text. The Bible makes clear Jesus is God.
>
>> > Are you saying that All powerful God lacks one power?
>>
>> He's not all powerful, apparently.
>>
>> And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the
>> mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
>> because they had chariots of iron.
>> Jedges 1:19
>>
>
>Once again colp's reading comprehension skills fail him. It is Judah
>who cannot drive out the inhabitants of the valley. God was with Judah,
>but it was up to Judah.
>
>>
>> > THat is, All powerful God is not capable of taking a human body
if
>> > He chooses?
>>
>> Both Jesus and his Father have taken human bodies.
>>
>
>Jesus did become flesh in the New Testament. The Father, however, does
>not have a physical body.
As of Jesus being born, David, God the Father has a human body. (Col 2
and other references) Col 2 says the Son was the Father/Son/and Holy
Spirit in flesh)
>
>> > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > >>>>So what sort of being was Jesus?
>> >
>> > Jesus Christ was God become flesh.
>>
>> God being a translation of theos, meaning a divine being.
>>
>
>Which human beings cannot be.
>
>> > God can do as God pleases. He
>> > is -- by definition-- all powerful.
>>
>> Definitions don't necessarily match reality.
>>
>
>This is colp's problem, his definitions don't match reality.
>
>> > God chose-- for His own purposes-- to take on human flesh.
>> >
>> > Why is that concept so hard for you to grasp?
>>
>> It' isn't.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > >> > >>>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>The Father and I are one colp.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>You didn't answer the question.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Yes I did colp. Jesus is God.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Jesus was a human being.
>> >
>> > Jesus was / is God become man.
>> > It's only demons and Satan that DENY that God has the power
>> > to become man if He wishes.
>> >
>> > You DENY God has the power to become a man?
>> >
>>
>> No.
>>
>> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> The Father and I are one colp.
>> > >
>> > >The disciples were one with the Father. Does that make them God
too?
>> >
>> > NOWHERE does the Bible say that the disciples "were one
>> > with the Father." IT ONLY says that Jesus encouraged them to STRIVE
>> > for that..
>> >
>> > It NEVER says they ACHIEVED that.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> > You said that human beings cannot share in divinity.
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> This is correct colp. But Jesus was God before he became flesh
colp.
>> > >
>> > >Jesus was still a human being.
>> >
>> > You are REALLY hung up on the idea of God becoming a man, aren't
you?
>>
>> The issue is that my adversary seems to think that humans cannot
attain
>> perfection.
>>
>
>What I think is irrelevant colp, I simply point out the Biblical text.
>
>> "Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perect" implies that
>> this is not the case.
>>
>
>Again, as I already made clear, be ye perfect is not meant to be taken
>literally, instead, it means to strive to be perfect, as imperfectly as
>imperfect beings can do, with the help of divine grace. A goal which
>human beings will fall short of.
>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Therefore you are saying that Jesus cannot share in divinity
because he
>> > >was a human being.
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >>>
>> > >> > >>>>>As I already
>> > >> > >>>>>pointed out, the Bible teaches divinity is not something
for man to
>> > >> > >>>>>grasp.
>> >
>> > YOu have it turned around.
>>
>> No, that is what my adversary said.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > God took on flesh, colp. Not the other way around.
>> > And it has only happened once.
>>
>> No, twice at least.
>
>Wrong again colp.
>
>>Genesis 18
>
>colp tried but failed to show this to be true.
>
>> and the gospels.
>>
>
>This the Gospels do claim the Word was made flesh.
>
>> >
>> > How sad that you so limit your god.
>>
>> Says you who claims that a deity took on flesh only once.
>>
>> If you correctly attributed the comments in this thread you would be
in
>> a better position to make such a statement.
>>
>> <snip>
>> > >> > The doctrine of the Trinity isn't true
>> >
>> > Of course, it's true!
>>
>> No, it is a fallacy.
>
>Unsup****ted assertion.
>
>>There are gender issues with Genesis 1:26-27 and
>> the virginal conception.
>>
>
>Colp has yet to bring up any gender issues for either of these, he has
>tried, but not succeeded.
>
>> >
>> > To deny the truth of the Trinity is to deny God has the
>> > power to do as He chooses.
>>
>> Non sequitir.
>>
>> >
>> > And the Trinity is not a "doctrine". The Trinity is theology.
>> > "The study of who God is, His nature."
>>
>> doctrine: [n] a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as
>> authoritative by some group or school
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > >> The Trinity concept begins in the Old
>> > >> Testament, and is taught in the Gospels.
>> > >
>> > >It is not possible to reconcile the concept of the Trinity with the
>> > >scripture of "let us make man in our image, after our likeness" in
>> > >which both male and females were created and the assertion that the
>> > >Holy Spirit was the father of Jesus.
>> >
>> > Says who?
>>
>> Me. Feel free to show otherwise.
>>
>> <snip>
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:30:31 -0700
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On 2 Aug 2006 14:20:49 -0700, "colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 2 Aug 2006 03:44:43 -0700, "colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
><snip>
>> >> > >>>>Human beings cannot share in divinity.
>>
>> Says who?
>
>My adversary.
>
>Jesus shared in divinity.
>Jesus was a human being.
>Therefore human beings can share in divinity.
>
>> Are you saying that All powerful God lacks one power?
>
>He's not all powerful, apparently.
>
>And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the
>mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
>because they had chariots of iron.
>Jedges 1:19
I find it amusing that heretics such as you will believe verse A
because it fits your mindset, but you will reject verses J-M because
it DOESN'T fit your mindset.
I'd like to know what "map" you use to determine which verses to read
and believe and which to not believe.
If Jesus was not God, for example, how did He rebuke the hurricane at
sea and stop it?
If Jesus was not God, how did he resurrect a man who had been dead and
in the tomb for 3 days?
If Jesus was not God, how did He feed THOUSANDS of people with a
couple of fish and a small loaf of bread?
>
>
>> THat is, All powerful God is not capable of taking a human body if
>> He chooses?
>
>Both Jesus and his Father have taken human bodies.
Jesus IS the Father!
John 1:1
1 John
Rev 1, Rev 21 and 22.
>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>So what sort of being was Jesus?
>>
>> Jesus Christ was God become flesh.
>
>God being a translation of theos, meaning a divine being.
Since there is only one God/Deity, your point is irrelevant.
>
>> God can do as God pleases. He
>> is -- by definition-- all powerful.
>
>Definitions don't necessarily match reality.
In your case, you don't get reality, period.
You do not define God; God defines you.
>
>> God chose-- for His own purposes-- to take on human flesh.
>>
>> Why is that concept so hard for you to grasp?
>
>It' isn't.
It obviously is. The Bible says God took on flesh.
YOU are blabbering that "man cannot become divine."
You have it exactly BACKWARDS.
You are very confused.
I suggest you be delivered from your demons and then I suggest a long,
quiet hospital stay.
>
>>
>>
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>The Father and I are one colp.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>You didn't answer the question.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yes I did colp. Jesus is God.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jesus was a human being.
>>
>> Jesus was / is God become man.
>> It's only demons and Satan that DENY that God has the power
>> to become man if He wishes.
>>
>> You DENY God has the power to become a man?
>>
>
>No.
Sure you do! You have repeatedly denied that God could become Jesus,
God in flesh!
>
>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> The Father and I are one colp.
>> >
>> >The disciples were one with the Father. Does that make them God too?
>>
>> NOWHERE does the Bible say that the disciples "were one
>> with the Father." IT ONLY says that Jesus encouraged them to STRIVE
>> for that..
>>
>> It NEVER says they ACHIEVED that.
>
>True.
AGAIN, you seem to be playing mind games.
I don't have time or interest in playing games.
>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > You said that human beings cannot share in divinity.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> This is correct colp. But Jesus was God before he became flesh
colp.
>> >
>> >Jesus was still a human being.
>>
>> You are REALLY hung up on the idea of God becoming a man, aren't you?
>
>The issue is that my adversary seems to think that humans cannot attain
>perfection.
In this life, within our human lifetimes, no man will ever achieve
perfection.
>
>"Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perect" implies that
>this is not the case.
You are misinterpreting the word "perfect."
Paul is saying that we are to be MATURE.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Therefore you are saying that Jesus cannot share in divinity because
he
>> >was a human being.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>>>As I already
>> >> > >>>>>pointed out, the Bible teaches divinity is not something for
man to
>> >> > >>>>>grasp.
>>
>> YOu have it turned around.
>
>No, that is what my adversary said.
>
><snip>
>
>> God took on flesh, colp. Not the other way around.
>> And it has only happened once.
>
>No, twice at least. Genesis 18 and the gospels.
Fine! Twice.
And the gospels all record God the Son taking on flesh ONCE.
>
>>
>> How sad that you so limit your god.
>
>Says you who claims that a deity took on flesh only once.
I have also conceded the point.
AGAIN, you are playing games.
>
>If you correctly attributed the comments in this thread you would be in
>a better position to make such a statement.
>
><snip>
>> >> > The doctrine of the Trinity isn't true
>>
>> Of course, it's true!
>
>No, it is a fallacy. There are gender issues with Genesis 1:26-27 and
>the virginal conception.
You evidently do not understand the meaning of "The Trinity", which
merely states that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit are ONE God, and that the Three co-exist.
>
>>
>> To deny the truth of the Trinity is to deny God has the
>> power to do as He chooses.
>
>Non sequitir.
Not at all. Since God is all-powerful, God is capable of existing as
Trinity.
>
>>
>> And the Trinity is not a "doctrine". The Trinity is theology.
>> "The study of who God is, His nature."
>
>doctrine: [n] a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as
>authoritative by some group or school
theology: The study of God's nature.
>
><snip>
>
>> >> The Trinity concept begins in the Old
>> >> Testament, and is taught in the Gospels.
>> >
>> >It is not possible to reconcile the concept of the Trinity with the
>> >scripture of "let us make man in our image, after our likeness" in
>> >which both male and females were created and the assertion that the
>> >Holy Spirit was the father of Jesus.
>>
>> Says who?
>
>Me. Feel free to show otherwise.
I don't think I want to waste that kind of time, demon.
john w
>
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Subject: Re: Weatherley's Christspeak - just disgusting or cracking up?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:16:20 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:09:44 +1000, Shasta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>In article <lsbic2poo1sif1cg0pu0armf1tv6unaqo3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>>
Re: Weatherley's Christspeak - just disgusting or cracking up?
Hey, PHAR LAP!
You're misspelling my name, genius!
>> You SHRIEK for attention as you wet your diaper!
>>
>> Fine!
>>
>> You've had your allotted attention!
>>
>> Now shriek "mommy!" and she may stick her teat in your mouth, if
>> you're lucky!
>>
>>
>>
>> john w
>
>
>+++++++++
>
>MAD AS A RAT!
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>
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Subject: Re: John Wolf (BJ): This One Is Just For You... And You Need
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:10:18 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:56:25 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Besides, I've almost succeeded in having you in carcerated!
>that should be 'incarcerated', dummyload- and,, "Yeah, sure you
>have".........
It's like this, love of my life, the one I dream about every night
(such dreams! ;-) blush!)
If you can play with MY head, I can play with your head!
;-)
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: FOR THE ARCHIVES:
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:10:37 -0700
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:52:16 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:44:19 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So m'love, which part are you ILLEGALLY archiving?
>>
>
>NO part, old boy.
> ALL of Usenet can be legally archived, and there isn't a blasted
>thing you can do about it.
>
>
>>The part where you are ridiculing a handicapped person?
>oh, get real.
> YOU ridicule nearly everyone you encounter.
>And furthermore, weatherless, if you were not so high-and-mighty,
>bragging, such a self-righteous, self-proclaimed know-it-all, a lot
>fewer people would be ridiculing you at all.
>
> The very fact that you're a proven LIAR, a lazy, good-for-nothing
>sloth, and an idle threatener and wisher of ill tidings against others
>certainly do anything to win you any Brownie points.
>
> Even the Armed Forces couldn't stand you.
>
> The Armed Forces are legendary for making real people out of wimps --
>if they booted your tu****e out, they must have realized that keeping
>your lazy carcassin the Stockade for years was a great waste of
>government funds..... so they saw fit to remove you instead...
>>
>>OR perhaps you're archiving (thank you)
>>
>I have archived my messages for years, old boy!
>
>>:-)
>>
>>the part where he rightly put you in your place?
>>
>Who put me in what place?
>I'm typing 'from my p[lacer' as we speak, old sloth.''' :op
>
>>Hmmmmmm?
>>
>huh?
>
>>*****!
>Thank you - same to you, O jealous panderer of ****!
I'll say it again, darlin', keep this up, and they're going to start
measuring you for a wedding dress!
A nice white one, befitting your "true maiden" status.
;-)
Of course, I still must win you from Jimmy!
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>
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Subject: Re: FOR THE ARCHIVES:
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:09:09 -0700
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wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:44:19 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>So m'love, which part are you ILLEGALLY archiving?
>>
>
>NO part, old boy.
> ALL of Usenet can be legally archived, and there isn't a blasted
>thing you can do about it.
>
>
>>The part where you are ridiculing a handicapped person?
>oh, get real.
> YOU ridicule nearly everyone you encounter.
>And furthermore, weatherless, if you were not so high-and-mighty,
>bragging, such a self-righteous, self-proclaimed know-it-all, a lot
>fewer people would be ridiculing you at all.
>
> The very fact that you're a proven LIAR, a lazy, good-for-nothing
>sloth, and an idle threatener and wisher of ill tidings against others
>certainly do anything to win you any Brownie points.
>
> Even the Armed Forces couldn't stand you.
>
> The Armed Forces are legendary for making real people out of wimps --
>if they booted your tu****e out, they must have realized that keeping
>your lazy carcassin the Stockade for years was a great waste of
>government funds.....
What's a "carcassin" ?
so they saw fit to remove you instead...
>>
>>OR perhaps you're archiving (thank you)
>>
>I have archived my messages for years, old boy!
>
>>:-)
>>
>>the part where he rightly put you in your place?
>>
>Who put me in what place?
>I'm typing 'from my p[lacer' as we speak, old sloth.''' :op
>
>>Hmmmmmm?
>>
>huh?
>
>>*****!
>Thank you - same to you, O jealous panderer of ****!
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:54:38 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:07:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Oh please, you're only handicapped when it suits you.
Well, then I guess I'm better off than you, dearie!
You're mentally defective ALL the time, and sadly, you don't even know
it yet!
:-(
When it doesn't,
>>you're the uber-intelligent,
Thanks for finally admitting that I am intelligent!
I think so, too!
:-)
over-educated,
Thanks for finally admitting that I am educated!
I think so, too!
:-)
Unfortunately, one can't say the same about you!
celebrated,
Well, darlin', if you think about it,
seems that MOST of the threads in here are about me!
;-)
And every time I think I've been forgotten,
:-(
YOU jump in to make sure NO one forgets my name!
:-)
once-highly-paid,
Yep!
>>artist (not).
I continue to wonder how you do***ented that I've earned so much money
as a writer/photographer.
???
I guess you believe me when it SUITS you!
chuckle.
Which makes one Merle Elaine Matthews (isn't "Merle" a MAN'S name ?
?????)
kinda two faced!
"White Canadian broad speak with forked tongue!!"
>
>
>He's A NOTHING.
Sad that you would say so! You tell me FREQUENTLY that even the
atheists are folk for whom Jesus died, and you remind me that "He
loves them, too."
So your hatred has so warped you that you consider even an atheist
more worthy than me!
(I'm apparently lower than an atheist to you!)
"Feel the love!"
>A boor;
Funny, one day you find me absolutely HILARIOUS! The next day, I'm a
boor!
Have you ever been checked for bi-polar disorder?
;-)
(your EXTREME ups and downs suggest undtreated psychotic bi-polar
disorder)
:-)
>a pest;
Well, we can't all be as UNIVERSALLY ADORED as you, m'love!
;-)
And I must admit I turn green with envy every time I read someone
else's comments about how you are such a WONDERFUL, HIGHLY admired,
WORLD-famous philanthropist and "general, all-around do-gooder!)
I continue to strive to be JUST LIKE YOu, but I admit I fail
MISERABLY!
:-(
Still, every time I make a TOTAL ASS of myself, I think, "Ah, John!
You're geting closer!
:-)
>a royal pain in the backside of DECENT Society;
I know! Ain't I AWFUL!?
>a liar;
Yep! I haven 't told one single truth in the 27 years I've been in
here!
And YOU have never ever ever told one single lie!
;-)
You told the truth when you said I have no education!
Oops! No, wait! You just said I am "over-educated!"
Now, I'm confused!
Or, perhaps YOU're confused!
;-)
>a gutter-mouthed swine;
Wow! You're warming up to me!
Shall I get the diamond ring out again?
>a lazy sloth.........
Hmmmm. I can't think of any snappy comeback for that.
But I DO still want to know where you stashed the hidden cameras and
mikes, so that you could listen and watch my every move and hear my
every word!
???
>
>And he thinks people will fall in line to fall all over him? !!
?????
Uh, I think that last one has me totally mystified!
I think it's time to contact the guys in white coats in your
neighborhood! You have OBVIOUSLY QUITE lost it, as I expected!
I wonder what it will take now to turn you into a psycho mass
murderer?
Hmmmmmm...
(just kidding)
Kisses, buddy! (I actually think you're almost as much in love with me
as I am with you! Every time I read one of these juicy love notes, I
get "all hot and bothered!"
(you know what I mean) blush
kisses!
( I KNOW, in spite of your words, I turn you on, too!)
;-)
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Subject: Re: An open post to John Weatherly
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:19:16 -0400, Jeff Wilson <jeff@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>It's been several months now since I posted here. Deciding to return
>today and look around, I still see you making an ass of yourself.
>Are you really as nuts as you sound? Somehow I think so.
>
>Jeff
chuckle.
I'm fine with me. Obviously you are not fine with you when you think
you need to write such silly posts, to make yourself feel better by
attempting to make others feel worse.
I'll put you at the top of my prayer list!
;-)
Isn't it totally cool that we can both come in here and make total
***** of ourselves?
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>In article <GMidnY9gZ6DmjkzZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Stephen
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>>
>> But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism? You
believe
>> in magic too.
>
>I just had a bath
>
>It was magic too
Do you EVER contribute to the conversation, demoniac?
Grow UP!
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:27:32 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
<skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:ad80d2t766teq53nfui0c91183s9qvvgu8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 1 Aug 2006 18:43:29 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
>> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church
for
>> >> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>> >> >"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>> >> >Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>> >> >passage, you don't see it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What part of SYMBOLIC don't you understand?
>> >
>> >Jesus made it very clear that He meant what He said,
>> >"This IS My Body."
>>
>>
>> Actually, He didn't!
>>
>> Because, AFTER He SAID, "This is my body, this is my blood", He THEN
>> said, "so every time you eat this BREAD, and drink this CUP..."
>>
>> meaning, you believe what you WANT to believe, and what you are TOLD
>> to believe!
>>
>> I could list a DOZEN things He said and MEANT, but you IGNORE those
>> things!
>>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>> And, I continue to have a question, which ALL Roman Catholics AVOID.
>>
>> If He TRULY wanted us to eat His flesh, and drink His actual blood,
>> why didn't He rip an arm off, roast it, feed it to the apostles, and
>> grow a new one?
>>
>> Maybe He couldn't!
>>
>> Why didn't He use a sharp rock to open a vein, and give them His
>> ACTUAL BLOOD?
>>
>> Why was He reduced to MAGIC?
>
>But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism? You
believe
>in magic too.
I was using the term "magic" here in a negative way.
There is nothing negative or "magical" (sleight of hand) or occult
about baptism.
When I referred to the "mystical power" of immersion baptism, I didn't
mean that some "mysterious process one can OBSERVE" takes place, as
would happen with the transformation of bread into "His actual flesh."
I also find MUCH less mysticism in the Christian / and specifically
the Baptist churches than I find in the Roman perversion.
The REAL MAGIC of chanting the mantra of the Rosary, for example, has
been DEMONSTRATED to cause self-hypnosis (one of the reasons the
demons inspired the monks to REQUIRE Roman Catholics to chant the
mantra of the Rosary). Self-hypnosis opens one to demon possession,
which very LIKELY is happening to HUNDREDS of millions of Roman
Catholics, who then become DEMONSTRATABLY BLIND to clear Bible
teaching. (they / you can't even read the text on the page and get
the black-and-white meaning without the aid of a "priest.")
And I could look at probably 20 or 30 practices and beliefs INVENTED
by the pagans in Rome that are DELIBERATE PAGAN "magic", from the
counting of4 "prayer beads" ( so you don't lose track of how many
prayers you've changed) which practice is found NOWHERE in scripture,
to the sprinkling of "holy water", to the "baptism" of infants, to
"indulgences", to "purgatory", to the wor****p of "saints", to praying
for the dead.
I suggested and I suggest that there was OBVIOUSLY some REAL POwER
(which Roman Catholics in general and YOU in particular CHOOSE to
REJECT and DENY) in immersion baptism, since there is an unbroken line
of IMMERSION BAPTISM from the Christ to the apostles HE immersed (John
3) through the disciples THEY immersed down to today's elders
immersing new believers.
(Roman Catholics will NEVER experience that POWER so long as they
continue to obstinately, ARROGANTLY REFUSE to be immersed, as Jesus
was.)
A similar unbroken chain of elder****p/scholar****p exists when our
committed laymen go to seminary, to learn the deeper meanings of
scripture as handed down from the apostles.
(you Roman Catholics are not the ONLY "Christians" to claim an
unbroken line of succession of FAITH from the apostles to today.)
Pax
john w
>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says upon
>> being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to another part
>> of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized (thereby
>> establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and some form
>> of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in this
>> simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that same
>> mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
>> Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those whom He
>> baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was transferred
>> from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
>>
>> Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
>> refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:19:25 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:43:31 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:efp3d2d81jt19qaugu4uem0ujvc7fmd3ng@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:56 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:7pb0d2hqron0ondjl6ube20is84gs3vg75@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this
>> >> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
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>the
>> >> >> >> author
>> >> >> >> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His
>followers.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> John 3
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into
the
>> >> >> >> Judean countryside,
>> >> >> >> where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because
there
>> >was
>> >> >> >> plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be
>baptized.
>> >24
>> >> >> >> (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument
>developed
>> >> >> >> between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the
>matter
>> >of
>> >> >> >> ceremonial wa****ng.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who
was
>with
>> >> >> >> you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
>> >> >> >> about--well,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ^ ^
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his
>disciples,)
>> >> >> >> CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It's EXPLANATORY, not CONTRADICTORY, information. It EXPLAINS
John
>3.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How many times do you plan on "explaining' this contradiction?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's probably 20 thus far this week!
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself.
>> >>
>> >> No, but the ONLY way you can explain the apparent CONTRADICTION
>> >> between John 3 and John 4 is to disregard John 3!
>> >
>> >Nope, you disregard John 4.
>> >
>> >> I strive to HARMONIZE them! He did baptize; not everybody who
>> >> "re****ted in" saw Him baptize.
>> >
>> >That phrase is not about what they saw, it's an explanation from John
>(the
>> >Apostle) of what they said.
>> >
>> >> However, that view presents YOU a MAJOR problem!
>> >>
>> >> "He BAPTIZED," that is, He IMMERSED BELIEVERS IN WATER!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> HORRORS!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> YOU SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE VERSES THAT SAY ' HE BAPTIZED' ANYONE!
>> >>
>> >> So YOU simply toss THOSE verses in the GARBAGE!
>> >>
>> >> " Well, John 3 says He did! John 4 says He didn't!"
>> >>
>> >> You're gonna go with John 4! ;-)
>> >
>> >You go with John 3. I harmonise them.
>> >
>> >> Why am I not surprised?
>> >>
>> >> (You're a Roman Catholic!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- INSTEAD-- I HARMONIZE them!
>> >>
>> >> ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Nor do you need refer me to the Adventists!
>> >
>> >Why not? You're just as legalisting, believing in a religion of body
>> >posture rules and water volume.
>> >
>> On the contrary! I believe in baptizing BELIEVERS (like Jesus
>> believed). I don't base baptism on ASSUMPTIONS (like ASSUMING that
>> infants "simply MUST have been baptized" even though not one single
>> mention of an infant being "baptized" can be found in the New
>> Testament!
>>
>> And I believe in being baptized like Jesus chose to be baptized, and
>> like His followers chose to do it.
>>
>> And I don't argue over "we don't KNOW He was immersed!"
>>
>> (but you REFUSE to be immersed "in case HE WAS")
>>
>> There would be ABSOLUTELY NO SIN INVOLVED WHATSOEVER in being IMMERSED
>> in water.
>>
>> But you STILL R E F U S E to do it!
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Because ROME says "Don't!"
>
>Rome doesn't say "don't" ... you're making things up. Like your first
>century AD church building marked as such.
As always, totally unable to respond to my 5 good points, you
sidestep.
I think I'm done with you.
This has been an UTTER WASTE of time.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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> wrote:
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>
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>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:17:33 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:49 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:tto3d25po3von82lof10e40c1t8opcdqgi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this
>> >> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>the
>> >> >> >> author
>> >> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
>chooses
>> >> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused
them
>of
>> >> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it
to
>> >refer
>> >> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer
to
>> >> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim
to
>be
>> >a
>> >> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>> >and
>> >> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or
follow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria
Christian"
>it's
>> >> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly
taught
>that
>> >> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only
believe
>549
>> >> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core
teachings",
>> >> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth,
etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >> >
>> >> >To each individual?
>> >> >
>> >> >> the Roman
>> >> >> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> >> >> instead.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>> >> >historical Christianity.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other
denominations.
>> >> >
>> >> >If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be
problematic.
>> >But
>> >> >since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority,
and
>a
>> >> >teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> >> >> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and
>infants,
>> >who
>> >> >believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
>> >present,
>> >> >and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including
and
>> >> >forbidding rock music, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> >> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday
>wor****pper
>> >> >> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as
long
>as
>> >> >> both are tolerant.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p
>with
>> >> >> the one who prefers the RSV.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with
the
>> >> >> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - not picking
>> >> >> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although
>many
>> >do
>> >> >so)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we
have
>in
>> >> >> Christ.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> >> >> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant
>teaching.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>> >> >
>> >> >Of the virgin birth?
>> >>
>> >> Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could
be
>> >> diversity?
>> >
>> >I never said you did.
>> >
>> >> I did not! Which means you CONTINUE to not understand "core
teaching"
>> >> (virgin birth) from differences over which day we should wor****p!
>> >
>> >No, that's Adventism.
>> >
>> >> For you, there are 500 teachings that I would call "diversity"
>> >> teachings that you would call "core" teachings.
>> >
>> >Likewise. So it's all arbitrary. Who decides? You?
>> >
>> >> There simply is not FREEDOM of conscience in your religion.
>> >
>> >Then you don't understand it.
>> >
>> >> Which is
>> >> why I would never ever ever be a part of your religion. It forbids
>> >> individuality and thought.
>> >
>> >Then you don't understand it.
>> >
>> >> Yes, sure, let them be convinced, but one way is
>> >> >right, and the other is wrong.
>> >>
>> >> So, according to your rigid view, which is the correct Bible?
>> >
>> >The 73 book one. Anything else is relative truth.
>> >
>> >> According to your rigid view, what is the correct style of seating
in
>> >> church?
>> >
>> >In some churches, there is no seating. They stand.
>> >
>> >> According to you, which is the correct type of wood to be used for
>> >> the pulpit?
>> >
>> >Who says it has to be wood? If it's wood, it is decreed that it be
the
>wood
>> >of a tree, and let anyone who denies that be anathema. All else is
>> >non-essential.
>> >
>> >> >> For example:
>> >> >> IF I eat meat, but you do not, then I should not eat meat in
front
>of
>> >> >> you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you drink vodka, and I do not, then you should not drink your
>vodka
>> >> >> in front of me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >but choosing how one will interpret the passages one accepts,
based
>on
>> >a
>> >> >> >variety of whims.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> AGAIN, you ridicule and dismiss a very im****tant teaching. "The
>> >> >> freedom in Christ to disagree on non-essentials."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You do not have/ and you do not understand, the freedom in
Christ to
>> >> >> disagree on the non-essentials.
>> >> >
>> >> >And, it would seem, you have the freedom to define what non-
essentials
>> >are,
>> >> >while the rest do not.
>> >>
>> >> I have defined "non-essentials" MANY times, but in your atrophied
>> >> (Roman Catholicized) brain, you just don't get it.
>> >>
>> >> That means-- for you-- any teaching-- ANYTHING-- that comes out of
>> >> Rome, is a "core teaching."
>> >>
>> >> If the Roman Catholic Church ordered you to begin drinking your
urine
>> >> tomorrow, you would.
>> >
>> >Nope, that's Baptists.
>> >
>> >Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master
and
>to
>> >thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit
upon
>the
>> >wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with
>you?
>> >
>> >> If it comes out of the Vatican, it's "core
>> >> teaching."
>> >
>> >You obviously haven't a clue about things like that.
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of "eating His flesh" and "drinking His
>> blood!"
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of praying to Mary and Peter.
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of bowing down to the idols in your
>> cathedrals
>>
>> You want the magical "power" you get from "indulgences".
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of voting for a "pope" every -__ years.
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of being sprinkled with "holy water"
>> periodically.
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of burning candles when you "pray."
>>
>> You want the magical "power" of chanting the "Rosary" 50 times a week.
>>
>>
>> But if there's any REAL mystical "power" in being immersed,
>
>You have your magical powers, and Catholicism has its own mysticism.
I'll
>leave it at that. I know which one is biblical.
>
I find it interesting how you ALWAYS chop off the point or the punch
line.
That's called dishonesty!
I make a point you can't answer, so you hack it off!
And I didn't call baptism "magic."
And you have LIED once again.
>God bless,
>Stephen
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> wrote:
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>
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:49 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:tto3d25po3von82lof10e40c1t8opcdqgi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this
>> >> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>the
>> >> >> >> author
>> >> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
>chooses
>> >> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused
them
>of
>> >> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it
to
>> >refer
>> >> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer
to
>> >> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim
to
>be
>> >a
>> >> >> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> don't believe in it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> >> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman
Catholic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who
picks
>> >and
>> >> >> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or
follow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria
Christian"
>it's
>> >> >> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly
taught
>that
>> >> >> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only
believe
>549
>> >> >> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core
teachings",
>> >> >> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth,
etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians,
the
>> >> >> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>> >> >
>> >> >To each individual?
>> >> >
>> >> >> the Roman
>> >> >> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> >> >> instead.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>> >> >historical Christianity.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other
denominations.
>> >> >
>> >> >If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be
problematic.
>> >But
>> >> >since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority,
and
>a
>> >> >teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> >> >> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>> >> >
>> >> >Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and
>infants,
>> >who
>> >> >believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
>> >present,
>> >> >and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including
and
>> >> >forbidding rock music, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> >> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday
>wor****pper
>> >> >> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as
long
>as
>> >> >> both are tolerant.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p
>with
>> >> >> the one who prefers the RSV.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with
the
>> >> >> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - not picking
>> >> >> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although
>many
>> >do
>> >> >so)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we
have
>in
>> >> >> Christ.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> >> >> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant
>teaching.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>> >> >
>> >> >Of the virgin birth?
>> >>
>> >> Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could
be
>> >> diversity?
>> >
>> >I never said you did.
>>
>> Yes, you did!
>
>You can't read.
>
>> And with THAT lie, I cut you off yet again!
>>
>> Lie to someone else!
>
>I'm sure you will.
Once again, you forgot to stick your tongue out and blow a raspberry!
How childish!
And now I'm sure that you will reply with
"I know you are!"
tsk tsk
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:05:53 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
<skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:11:48 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:49 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>> >> >> author
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
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>> >> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
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>the
>> >> >> >> author
>> >> >> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and
>chooses
>> >> >> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused
them
>of
>> >> >> >> >doing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it
to
>> >refer
>> >> >> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer
to
>> >> >> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim
to
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