>>
>>> chuckle.
>>>
>>> One thing man has always done that he continues to do. It just takes
>>> longer. All men -- even Carl Sagan-- still die.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> You still have two choices, as did Adam. And Carl Sagan. You can SORT
of
>>> determine HOW you'll die (where, under what cir***stances; such as in
a
>>> combat zone, or in Anytown USA), and you can SORT of pre-determine
where
>>> you will spend eternity.
>>
>> "Eternity" is a meaningless concept.
>>
>
>You really are stupid.
>
>You actually think survival of the fittest and evolution are the same.
smirk.
>You actually think that Dinos and humans did no coexist.
smirk.
>
>Sorry, I told an untruth.
>You don't think.
;-)
I have seen very little evidence of "intelligent thought" among
"atheists'. Their only "belief" system seems to be, "I don't believe
in God."
whoop dee doo!
>
>BTW, I suppose you are aware of the DNA trace to dinos of today.
Suuuuure.
>
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:15:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:52:20 -0700, john w in
><40l3d252v9f8bc29vadlug7thrp88md7et@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:38:26 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>>><1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>>
>>>Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>>
>> Funny stuff!
>>
>> One would THINK that "as scientists continue to unlock all the
>> mysteries of life, all the secrets of the origins of the universe", as
the
>> computer and nano- and micro-technology continue to improve the lives
of
>> so many, that our world would ever evolve into "Utopia."
>
>No, stupid, that's your strawman.
>
>> So how come the Nile virus, and HIV/AIDS and measles, and the Black
Death,
>> and the Bubonic Plague, and the chicken flu, and the flesh-eating
virus,
>> etc., etc., etc.,
>>
>> in 2006 now threaten mankind with extinction
>
>Our species has been threatened with extinction for its entire
existence.
>We almost went extinct at least once.
>
>It's just part of being alive. Every day, every human is "threatened"
with
>death.
>
>> in the same way the 50 foot tall flesh-eating dinosaur threatened the
10
>> foot tall dinosaur and the 4 foot tall "primitive man" ???
>
>Humans and dinosaurs existed millions of years apart dimwit.
That is a theory, dumbass. It is ONLY a theory.
Else, I am sure you will provide me the do***entation from the men who
wrote it who "weren't there at the time."
You've been
>watching Flintstones reruns again haven't you?
>
>> Doesn't seem that-- as man becomes more of a self-fulfilling god with
>> every passing day-- that he comes any closer to immortality than he
was
>> 50,000 years ago!
>
>So what?
>
>> chuckle.
>>
>> One thing man has always done that he continues to do. It just takes
>> longer. All men -- even Carl Sagan-- still die.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> You still have two choices, as did Adam. And Carl Sagan. You can SORT
of
>> determine HOW you'll die (where, under what cir***stances; such as in
a
>> combat zone, or in Anytown USA), and you can SORT of pre-determine
where
>> you will spend eternity.
>
>"Eternity" is a meaningless concept.
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:50:01 -0700, "Vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> "As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
>>>> for everything bad that happened during and after
>>>> Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
>>>> who lived here were much more prepared for a big
>>>> storm than the federal government that promised
>>>> us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Real cities don't build in a flood plain.
>>>
>>>Phoenix is not expecting the feds to build an air conditioned dome.
>>>The people were NOT prepared.
>>>The only disgrace of the government (especially local) is to allow
homes
>>>in
>>>those areas.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Too many continue to blame Wa****ngton, D.C, (notably the Republicans)
>> for Katrina.
>>
>> The last I heard, New Orleans' citizens had unwisely re-elected their
>> mayor. He's the one who REFUSED to commandeer some 50 school buses to
>> evacuate as many as those buses would hold.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> "They are PRIVATELY owned! We had NO AUTHORIZATION to use those buses!
>>
>> BESIDES, we didn't have the KEYS!
>>
>> We'd have to have broken into a LOCKED bus yard, and we'd have had to
>> hotwire those buses!" (turned out not to be true; and the mayor
>> obviously hadn't even checked; the keys were IN the buses-- which
>> turned out to be a security risk)
>>
>> And they call Wa****ngton's politicians "incompetent!"
>>
>> There was a WIDESPREAD re****ting of people "stealing their neighbor's
>> boats" in order to fill them with WARM bodies and carry them to higher
>> ground!
>>
>> Last I heard, there have been no arrests or prosecutions (nor are
>> any planned) of those who stole boats to save lives.
>>
>> In fact, I saw at least 2 interviews by media of people in boats
>> full of people. "Where did you get the boat?"
>>
>> "I STOLE IT!"
>>
>> Those thieves should the "Medal of Freedom;" they were the FEW who
>> got it right!
>>
>> Then there were the hardened CRIMINALS who went back into the flood
>> area a couple of weeks later and BROKE INTO HOMES (breaking and
>> entering is a felony) to rescue abandoned pets! Many had simply been
>> left behind. They fed them, they watered them, they nurtured them, and
>> they returned them to their owners!
>>
>> Why haven't those burglars been prosecuted? ( ;-) They should all
>> get medals, too! In fact, if you were watching, there were
>> CELEBRITIES between making movies who were rescuing pets (they had the
>> $$$ to do it)
>>
>>
>> Why blame Wa****ngton? Hasn't Wa****ngton LONG AGO proved (yes) to be
>> UTTERLY INCOMPETENT at the LOCAL level?
>>
>> That's what LOCAL / city POLITICIANS are about! THEY negotiate
>> LOCALLY, the STATE politicians negotiate at the STATE level.
>>
>> Both Louisiana's state AND local politicians FAILED MISERABLY.
>>
>> And then pointed the finger of blame at DC!
>>
>> tsk tsk
>>
>> john w
>
>Idiot, anti Israel, Bilbo is blaming Engineers of 1925.
>Idiot Bilbo is ignoring the warnings of the corps of Engineers.
>Idiot Bilbo is one who would not know how or why to come in out of the
rain.
>Idiot Bilbo would stand in the middle of a highway and blame the
>"government" for making it possible.
>Idiot Bilbo doesn't know that N.O. was warned in 1921, 1943, 1944.
>
Bilbo is either utterly, criminally insane (foam at the mouth, white
of the eyes), or a demoniac, or both.
My bet is both.
He is actually so STUPID that he believes he can type 3 pages of the
vilest curses and you're actually going to read it!
!!
chuckle.
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:31:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
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> wrote:
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>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:21:39 -0700, john w in
><0cl3d25hoe8da3j03ldqvha1nqfvbgnbbl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:50:01 -0700, "Vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>
>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:eeOdnXGi3JqPfk3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>>>> <1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>>>
>>>> Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>>>
>>>Watch for Aug 22-23, 2006
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo
>>>> -------------------------------------------------- "As hip as it is
for
>>>> outsiders to blame New Orleans for everything bad that happened
during
>>>> and after Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people who lived
>>>> here were much more prepared for a big storm than the federal
>>>> government that promised us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Real cities don't build in a flood plain.
>>>
>>>Phoenix is not expecting the feds to build an air conditioned dome.
The
>>>people were NOT prepared.
>>>The only disgrace of the government (especially local) is to allow
homes
>>>in those areas.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Too many continue to blame Wa****ngton, D.C, (notably the Republicans)
for
>> Katrina.
>
>No, expert engineers blame the Army Corp of Engineers for their now
proven
>and ADMITTED **** ups in building the levees which should NOT have
failed.
>The levees were "rated" to withstand up to a Cat 3. Well, Katrina was
>around Cat 2/Cat 3 when she hit the city.
>
>There is now definitive proof the flood was caused by the Corp, not
>Katrina. Even the Corp has finally admitted it was their fault.
You continue to miss the point. I did not say that Wa****ngton didn't
screw up. I DID say that Louisiana officials and New Orleans officials
(notably the mayor) screwed up BIG time.
>
>> The last I heard, New Orleans' citizens had unwisely re-elected their
>> mayor.
>
>Yes, Nagin won re-election. The people in the city know a hell of a lot
>better than *you do about what Nagin did.
Rubbish! The people in the city quite obviously didn't have access to
the TV NEWS to see what STUPIDITY the mayor displayed.
It would have been the easiest thing in the world-- if he had not had
HUA disease, to have broken into that school bus yard and used those
buses! In fact, memory recalls 2 SEPARATE fleets of buses that were
NEVER USED. As people died, some 100 buses sat idle.
No plan, no heroic efforts on the part of the mayor.
>
>> He's the one who REFUSED to commandeer some 50 school buses to
>> evacuate as many as those buses would hold.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> "They are PRIVATELY owned! We had NO AUTHORIZATION to use those buses!
>>
>> BESIDES, we didn't have the KEYS!
>>
>> We'd have to have broken into a LOCKED bus yard, and we'd have had to
>> hotwire those buses!" (turned out not to be true; and the mayor
obviously
>> hadn't even checked; the keys were IN the buses-- which turned out to
be a
>> security risk)
>>
>> And they call Wa****ngton's politicians "incompetent!"
>
>You are a lying,
I am not lying. You are uninformed. I watch the news, while you shove
your head up your butt to count your lesions.
evil asshole and if you represent this "god" then the
>only moral thing to do should that being exist is to repudiate it.
>
>You were not here, you have no ****ing clue what was going on.
You obviously don't bother to keep yourself informed!
By the time
>it came down to last about 15% of the population left in the city, there
>was no time to put them on the road.
Dumb****! I am saying that they didn't even TRY!
snip
>THE PEOPLE OF THE DOME SURVIVED THE STORM.
And got murdered by roving gangs.
>
>They made it. They were okay. It was FEMA who had promised--yes they
>did--to send help to evacuate who failed to show up. For *days they kept
>telling Nagin and Blanco hundreds of buses were "coming." They just
never
>showed up.
and got murdered and raped.
snip
When you can control your infantile rhetoric, get back to me,
demoniac.
If you actually think I'm going to read your venom, your PUKE, you are
INSANE!
tsk tsk
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:27:32 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On 1 Aug 2006 18:43:29 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church
for
>> >> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic
Church
>for
>> >> >> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>> >> >> >"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>> >> >> >Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>> >> >> >passage, you don't see it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What part of SYMBOLIC don't you understand?
>> >> >
>> >> >Jesus made it very clear that He meant what He said,
>> >> >"This IS My Body."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Actually, He didn't!
>> >>
>> >> Because, AFTER He SAID, "This is my body, this is my blood", He
THEN
>> >> said, "so every time you eat this BREAD, and drink this CUP..."
>> >>
>> >> meaning, you believe what you WANT to believe, and what you are
TOLD
>> >> to believe!
>> >>
>> >> I could list a DOZEN things He said and MEANT, but you IGNORE those
>> >> things!
>> >>
>> >> Why?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And, I continue to have a question, which ALL Roman Catholics
AVOID.
>> >>
>> >> If He TRULY wanted us to eat His flesh, and drink His actual blood,
>> >> why didn't He rip an arm off, roast it, feed it to the apostles,
and
>> >> grow a new one?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe He couldn't!
>> >>
>> >> Why didn't He use a sharp rock to open a vein, and give them His
>> >> ACTUAL BLOOD?
>> >>
>> >> Why was He reduced to MAGIC?
>> >
>> >But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism? You
>believe
>> >in magic too.
Sad. YOU see no difference between the words "mystical", and "magic."
tsk tsk
The discernment we get from the Holy Spirit, where is that?
You have NONE!
A first year Bible student who has the Holy Spirit guiding him has
more spiritual understanding than you do, Steve!
>>
>> I was using the term "magic" here in a negative way.
>>
>> There is nothing negative or "magical" (sleight of hand) or occult
>> about baptism.
>
>There is something mystical, though, you tell us. A mystical power.
Yours
>is mystical power, ours is magic ... so saith John W.
AGAIN, Steve, I see utterly NOTHING to be gained from this
"discussion".
You simply do not give one single inch. I have in the past few weeks
conceded SEVERAL points. IN the past YEAR, I believe you have conceded
one TINY one.
Why do we continue this "monologue?"
I shall not.!!
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wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>x-no-archive: yes
>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:27:32 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
><skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>author
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:ad80d2t766teq53nfui0c91183s9qvvgu8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On 1 Aug 2006 18:43:29 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church
for
>>> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>> >
>>> >NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> >> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church
for
>>> >> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>>> >> >"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>>> >> >Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>>> >> >passage, you don't see it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> What part of SYMBOLIC don't you understand?
>>> >
>>> >Jesus made it very clear that He meant what He said,
>>> >"This IS My Body."
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, He didn't!
>>>
>>> Because, AFTER He SAID, "This is my body, this is my blood", He THEN
>>> said, "so every time you eat this BREAD, and drink this CUP..."
>>>
>>> meaning, you believe what you WANT to believe, and what you are TOLD
>>> to believe!
>>>
>>> I could list a DOZEN things He said and MEANT, but you IGNORE those
>>> things!
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> And, I continue to have a question, which ALL Roman Catholics AVOID.
>>>
>>> If He TRULY wanted us to eat His flesh, and drink His actual blood,
>>> why didn't He rip an arm off, roast it, feed it to the apostles, and
>>> grow a new one?
>>>
>>> Maybe He couldn't!
>>>
>>> Why didn't He use a sharp rock to open a vein, and give them His
>>> ACTUAL BLOOD?
>>>
>>> Why was He reduced to MAGIC?
>>
>>But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism? You
believe
>>in magic too.
>
>I was using the term "magic" here in a negative way.
>
>There is nothing negative or "magical" (sleight of hand) or occult
>about baptism.
>
>When I referred to the "mystical power" of immersion baptism, I didn't
>mean that some "mysterious process one can OBSERVE" takes place, as
>would happen with the transformation of bread into "His actual flesh."
>
>I also find MUCH less mysticism in the Christian / and specifically
>the Baptist churches than I find in the Roman perversion.
>
>The REAL MAGIC of chanting the mantra of the Rosary, for example, has
>been DEMONSTRATED to cause self-hypnosis (one of the reasons the
>demons inspired the monks to REQUIRE Roman Catholics to chant the
>mantra of the Rosary). Self-hypnosis opens one to demon possession,
>which very LIKELY is happening to HUNDREDS of millions of Roman
>Catholics, who then become DEMONSTRATABLY BLIND to clear Bible
>teaching. (they / you can't even read the text on the page and get
>the black-and-white meaning without the aid of a "priest.")
>
>And I could look at probably 20 or 30 practices and beliefs INVENTED
>by the pagans in Rome that are DELIBERATE PAGAN "magic", from the
>counting of4 "prayer beads" ( so you don't lose track of how many
>prayers you've changed) which practice is found NOWHERE in scripture,
>to the sprinkling of "holy water", to the "baptism" of infants, to
>"indulgences", to "purgatory", to the wor****p of "saints", to praying
>for the dead.
>
typos corrected:
And I could look at probably 20 or 30 practices and beliefs INVENTED
by the pagans in Rome that are DELIBERATE PAGAN "magic", from the
counting of "prayer beads" ( so you don't lose track of how many
prayers you've chanted) which practice is found NOWHERE in scripture,
to the sprinkling of "holy water", to the "baptism" of infants, to
"indulgences", to "purgatory", to the wor****p of "saints", to praying
for the dead.
sorry!
:-(
>
>I suggested and I suggest that there was OBVIOUSLY some REAL POwER
>(which Roman Catholics in general and YOU in particular CHOOSE to
>REJECT and DENY) in immersion baptism, since there is an unbroken line
>of IMMERSION BAPTISM from the Christ to the apostles HE immersed (John
>3) through the disciples THEY immersed down to today's elders
>immersing new believers.
>
>(Roman Catholics will NEVER experience that POWER so long as they
>continue to obstinately, ARROGANTLY REFUSE to be immersed, as Jesus
>was.)
>
>A similar unbroken chain of elder****p/scholar****p exists when our
>committed laymen go to seminary, to learn the deeper meanings of
>scripture as handed down from the apostles.
>
>(you Roman Catholics are not the ONLY "Christians" to claim an
>unbroken line of succession of FAITH from the apostles to today.)
>
>Pax
>
>john w
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:6aotc2te5r9s3o1bb00dtv7t3fb92agged@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says upon
>>> being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to another part
>>> of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized
(thereby
>>> establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and some
form
>>> of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in this
>>> simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that same
>>> mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
>>> Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those whom He
>>> baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was transferred
>>> from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
>>>
>>> Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
>>> refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
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(Bree)
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>> author
>>>In article <GMidnY9gZ6DmjkzZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Stephen
Korsman"
>>><skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But what about the mystical power you said comes from baptism? You
>>>> believe
>>>> in magic too.
>>>
>>>I just had a bath
>>>
>>>It was magic too
>>
>>
>> Do you EVER contribute to the conversation, demoniac?
>>
>> Grow UP!
>
>Why don't YOU grow up and either put him in your killfile or just ignore
>him?
pot kettle.
;-)
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>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:19:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:26:42 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:55:35 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>smirk. Don't think TOO highly of yourself! Last I heard, you still
>>>>work for a living! You're not smart enough to be retired WEALTHY!
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you? You're boasting about living off the work of OTHERS.
>>
>>?????
>>
>>#1 Social Security is a RETIREMENT FUND in the US! You pay INTO it,
>>and then, when you RETIRE, you draw from it!
>> And who on EARTH besides YOU (dumb****) thinks I / we should follow
>>in YOUR corrupt steps?
>
>My 'corrupt steps' ???
>How corrupt was I walking when I got a loan to further my education,
>and put myself through training?
>How corrupt was I walking when I graduated with top marks in the
>class, making the Dean's List?
>How corrupt was I walking when I took post-grad courses?
>How corrupt was I walking when I remained in my chosen profession,
>helping others, for all these years?
>
>Yupper- that's REAL 'corrupt', old boy!!!!!! LOL!
Interesting stuff! Thanks for telling the whole WORLD about your
college education,
bragger!
And what makes you think I could not say everything you said about
myself?
( I could)
And-- finally, why on EARTH should I (or anyone) believe you? You are
KNOWN, after all, as Queen Liar!
;-)
>
>> And-- psycho nurse-- pray you aren't sicker than I am in a few
>>years! Usually, when *****es and jerks like YOU judge others (like
>>me) you end up FAR worse off than the person(s) you are pointing your
>>bony finger at!
>>
>I have never wished illness on you or anyone else, liar-johnnie
In fact, Queen Liar *****, you have accused me of FAKING it!
>weatherless---- it's YOU who keeps on harping how sick you supposedly
>are, and I've seen that in hypochondriacs before......
And you DENY your own ACUTE illness!
I am utterly amazed (as I am sure many are) that one day you talk
about how psychotic I am (the habitual lying you accuse me of is one
PSYCHOSIS), the next you talk about me FAKING it.
Well, Elaine, am I faking it, or am I the most psychotic person you
know? I cant be BOTH,
stupid!
>
>>;-)
>>
>>> At least I'm earning my own way, paying for my home, etc...
>>>What are YOU paying for?
>>
>>Since when is my personal life any of your business? And your
>>Pinocchio nose just grew 3 more FEET!
>>
>Since when is MY personal and/or professional life any of yours?
I am RIDICULING you, stupid! I wasn't asking you any question beyond,
What business is my life to you?
NONE!
DO try to stay on track (I know you such an emotional/mental WRECK,
it's almost impossible)
> And why do you have to make up lies concerning it?
OBVIOUS RIDICULE isn't lying, dumb****!
>As for little Pinocchio, I disregarded silly fairy tales in my very
>early youth.........
smirk.
>
>
>>And I am SO happy you are paying your home off! I want it free and
>>clear when I TAKE it!
>>
>You'll never get it, loser.
wanna bet?
loser!
A question, stupid! Why do you spend so much time writing such hate
mail to someone who doesn't matter?
An "it" as you just called me?
H:mmmmm?
>
>>
>>> If you want to accuse me because I work for my keep, you're only
>>>making more of a fool of yourself than you already have.
>>
>>Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>>
>^^^^Usual insane ***ual rant noted .............
There you go, again, Elaine! You just contradicted yourself AGAIN!
Above, you said I'm faking it, a hypochondriac!
Now, I'm "insane" again!
M a k e u p y o u r m i n d !!
>(another SURE indicator of your losing the argument. ALL part of the
>pattern...)
"the pattern..." ??
What "pattern.. " is that, Elaine?
Are you diagnosing me again?
;-)
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Psa 62:12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest
>>>to every man according to his work.
>>>
>>>Psa 90:17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and
>>>establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our
>>>hands establish thou it.
>>>
>>>Pro 18:9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that
>>>is a great waster.
>>>
>>>Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have
>>>rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
>>>
>>>Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
>>>give every man according as his work shall be.
>>>
>>>At least MY life and work is honorable,
>>
>>rotflmao!
>>
>laugh if you like - I KNOW otherwise.
>
>
>>Your life IN HERE is certainly NOT honorable, you lying *****!
>^^^^Usual resorting to cursing noted -- another proof positive YOU
>KNOW you've lost the argument, little man!
>
>>Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself
>>
>^^^^Ridiculous ***ual connotations AGAIN duly noted and
>ARCHIVED.......
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:17:49 -0400, larry4355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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author
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:50:13 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:44:11 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:2rj1d29trssg0nqsg8fu9g61uqls7mt7gu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>Since I was the one that originally used the expression "attention
whore",
>>>>
>>>> You WERE, Elaine?
>>>
>>>Why don't you ****ing ask her instead of annoying me, you senile old
>>>douchbag.
>>If it imagines it can annoy you, Robyn, it will keep on trying.......
>>
>>At best, it is nothing but a low-functioning amoeba.... a liar, and a
>>LEECH of society.
>
>And this is why some people view you Elaine as a hypocrite. Look at
>the curse word Robin said, and you said nothing about it. But the
>moment John post a curse word, you are all over him about it.
>
>And you are mocking God, but mocking one of his creations, by calling
>John and it, among other things.
>
>May God forgive you for this,
>Larry
Thanks, Larry! But if you have not yet come to grips with it yet,
Elaine has had what is called "a psychotic break", that only
medication, a proper diagnosis, and LONG-term INTENSIVE care will even
HOPE to help.
But she must first ADMIT she's sick. And sadly, people who are as sick
as she is are the LAST to seek help.
(she thinks the whole world is off-kilter). However, you may have
noticed that those with whom she has chosen to align (Dave, crawls,
Phar Lap, Jim Agar) are as psychotic as she is.
"Guilt by association."
God bless, Larry!
john w
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His followers.
>> >
>> >
>> >JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
>>
>> John 3
>>
>> JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the
>> Judean countryside,
>> where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
>>
>> 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was
>> plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized. 24
>> (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument developed
>> between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of
>> ceremonial wa****ng.
>>
>> 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with
>> you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
>> about--well,
>>
>> He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
>>
>> ^ ^
>> >
>>
>>
>> >John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
>> CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>
>It's EXPLANATORY, not CONTRADICTORY, information. It EXPLAINS John 3.
How many times do you plan on "explaining' this contradiction?
That's probably 20 thus far this week!
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:39:23 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:53:02 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
>>CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>>
>
>JESUS HIMSELF DID NOT BAPTIZE, liar-johnnie, and THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
We just got done explaining that. You said your piece. I said mine. I
note AGAIN that you DEMAND the last word.
;-)
>
>>And how many times do you plan on arguing about it?
>>
>As long as YOU continue to LIE concerning my Lord and Savior, Jesus.
>
>>Control FREAK!
>Tough. Live with, or smarten up your fool act.
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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>> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >>no such thing
>> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and chooses
>> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them of
>> >doing.
>>
>> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to refer
>> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>>
>> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to be a
>> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>>
>> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>>
>> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> don't believe in it
>>
>> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> don't believe in it
>>
>> Have NO other gods before me!
>>
>> don't believe in it.
>>
>> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> "don't believe that!"
>>
>> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic.
>
>Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who picks and
>chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian" it's
been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught that
all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe 549
of them, you can't be a Christian!
I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians, the
final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit, the Roman
Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
instead.
Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other denominations.
>
>By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday wor****pper
to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as long as
both are tolerant.
It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p with
the one who prefers the RSV.
It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with the
one who believes the signs are long gone.
- not picking
>and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although many do
so)
Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we have in
Christ.
I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant teaching.
"Let each be convinced in his own mind."
For example:
IF I eat meat, but you do not, then I should not eat meat in front of
you.
If you drink vodka, and I do not, then you should not drink your vodka
in front of me.
>but choosing how one will interpret the passages one accepts, based on a
>variety of whims.
AGAIN, you ridicule and dismiss a very im****tant teaching. "The
freedom in Christ to disagree on non-essentials."
You do not have/ and you do not understand, the freedom in Christ to
disagree on the non-essentials.
For you, the above paragraph may as well be written in Swahili!
It is FAR beyond your grasp.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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wrote:
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author
>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:44:11 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:2rj1d29trssg0nqsg8fu9g61uqls7mt7gu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>snip
>>>>
>>>>Since I was the one that originally used the expression "attention
whore",
>>>
>>> You WERE, Elaine?
>>
>>Why don't you ****ing ask her instead of annoying me, you senile old
>>douchbag.
>If it imagines it can annoy you, Robyn, it will keep on trying.......
WOW! Psychotic Elaine AGAIN lowers herself to refer to me in sub-human
terms!
smirk.
>
>At best, it is nothing but a low-functioning amoeba.... a liar, and a
>LEECH of society.
Only YOU can hurt me like this, Elaine/Robib!
snif
:-(
Did it ever occur to your diseased/atrophied (absent without leave)
brain, Elaine, that for your DAILY insults, you don't bother me this
much = ?
I simply feel sorry for you as you continue to PROVE beyond a shadow
of doubt that you are not fit to be in charge of/ care for NUMEROUS
mentally ill folks.
And when I get another thing or two off the front burner, we shall see
about that!
;-)
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>> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:17:46 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>x-no-archive: yes
>> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:22:04 -0500, Mike I
>> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> >>author
>> >>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:16:16 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>x-no-archive: yes
>> >>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:32:03 -0500, Mike I
>> >>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >>>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >>>>author
>> >>>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:21 -0500, Mike I
>> >>>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>Since this topic was recently discussed in these NG's. I thought
I
>> >>>>>>would bring this to your attention.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>It appears the discussion of immersion is on going even among
>Baptist.
>> >>>>>>Oklahoma's biggest Baptist church in Edmond Oklahoma has raised
the
>> >>>>>>question. For the record they did postpone the vote to give
others a
>> >>>>>>chance to speak.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
>> >>>>>>Jul 24, 2006
>> >>>>>>By Staff
>> >>>>>>Baptist Press
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--In three services over the weekend of July
>29-30,
>> >>>>>>members of Henderson Hills Baptist Church in Edmond, Okla., will
>vote
>> >>>>>>on a proposal to eliminate baptism as a requirement for church
>> >>>>>>member****p. Announcement of the vote has sparked a flurry of
>debate --
>> >>>>>>a discussion reflected on the pages of The Baptist Messenger,
news
>> >>>>>>journal of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>In a column published on the news journal's website,
>> >>>>>>www.baptistmessenger.com, Henderson Hills pastor Dennis Newkirk
>> >>>>>>explains that, while the congregation's elder council believes
"the
>> >>>>>>New Testament commands every believer to be baptized by
immersion,
>> >>>>>>subsequent to salvation," they are questioning whether baptism
>should
>> >>>>>>be required "as an initiatory rite of church member****p."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>The proposal, Newkirk writes, "is not intended to excuse people
from
>> >>>>>>the sin of refusing baptism. Instead, our concern is for
Christians
>in
>> >>>>>>two categories, those who physically cannot experience immersion
due
>> >>>>>>to a disability, and for those who are under the mistaken
conviction
>> >>>>>>that sprinkling is baptism."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Like many Southern Baptist churches, Henderson Hills deals with
>people
>> >>>>>>who would like to join but are members of churches that sprinkle
>> >>>>>>infants, rather than immersing individuals who have consciously
>chosen
>> >>>>>>to follow Christ. The vast majority of Southern Baptist churches
>would
>> >>>>>>require such inquirers to offer evidence of salvation and submit
to
>> >>>>>>baptism by immersion.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Although Newkirk's column says that "in 31 years of ministry, I
have
>> >>>>>>never met a believer who adamantly refused baptism," he argues
that
>> >>>>>>the requirement of rebaptism is an obstacle to ministering to
such
>> >>>>>>people.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"We often sacrifice our op****tunity to teach and influence those
>> >>>>>>mistaken Christians by rejecting them or we unintentionally
promote
>an
>> >>>>>>unbiblical motive for baptism, making it little more than a rite
of
>> >>>>>>initiation into church member****p," Newkirk writes. "Why not
allow
>> >>>>>>them the blessings, responsibilities and protection of church
>> >>>>>>member****p, and then teach, pray, and influence them towards
>biblical
>> >>>>>>baptism?"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>The proposal coming before the congregation would strike the
phrase,
>> >>>>>>"has been scripturally baptized," from a church bylaw that
currently
>> >>>>>>reads, in part: "Member****p will be granted to anyone who offers
a
>> >>>>>>biblical testimony of salvation, has been scripturally baptized
and
>> >>>>>>agrees to accept the responsibilities of member****p."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>You can read the rest of the story at:
>> >>>>>>http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23674
>> >>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/282006h.asp
>> >>>>>>http://www.newsok.com/article/2822312
>> >>>>>>http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9581346/detail.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Let me add one more site they have a PDF file online the explains
>> >>>>>there concerns.
>>
>>>>>>http://www.hhbc.com/Websites/25/Files/Biblical%20Material%20Sub-
Team%20
>Re****t.pdf
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I just skimmed the do***ent and found these lines interesting:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Every instance of baptism in the New Testament does not
necessarily
>> >>>>>refer to water baptism. Many instances refer to Spiritual baptism
or
>> >>>>>immersion into something or someone's authority or leader****p.
Some
>> >>>>>passages about baptism are particularly difficult to
understand...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I disagree. I find only one place where a new believer was not
>> >>>>baptized by immersion. That was the thief on the cross. He was
not
>> >>>>immersion baptized because he didn't have the op****tunity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Every other INSTANCE of baptism indicates immersion, believer's
>> >>>>baptism.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>In the various DISCUSSIONS on baptism, the mode may not always be
>> >>>>mentioned; however, that would certainly be a reasonable lapse,
since
>> >>>>every instance of baptism MENTIONED is one of immersion.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I believe the strongest statements we have on immersion of
believers
>> >>>>in the Bible is the immersion of our Lord Himself. With people
>> >>>>practicing various water rituals all over the land, the FACT that
>> >>>>Jesus SOUGHT John out BECAUSE John was immersing people in water
deep
>> >>>>enough to submerge them
>> >>>>
>> >>>>speaks volumes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says upon
>> >>>>being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to another
part
>> >>>>of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized
(thereby
>> >>>>establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and some
form
>> >>>>of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in this
>> >>>>simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that same
>> >>>>mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
>> >>>>Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those whom
He
>> >>>>baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was transferred
>> >>>>from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
>> >>>>refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If there is POWER in Christianity (in following in His footsteps
at
>> >>>>EVERY POSSIBLE op****tunity) then I want to avail myself of every
bit
>> >>>>of the power that is available.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>And being immersed by one who has been immersed is such a SIMPLE
thing
>> >>>>to do.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>and
>> >>>>>Common Water Baptism Fallacies
>> >>>>>Although many verses mention water baptism, none explicitly
address
>> >>>>>its meaning.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Sure they do. "in baptism", Paul relates, "we are BURIED with
Christ."
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Baptism then is intended to be a visual symbol of following Him to
>> >>>>death, into the grave, and out again.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If the traditional view of Paul's use in Romans 6:4 and
>> >>>>>Colossians 2:12 are argued as the meaning of water baptism, then
they
>> >>>>>are to be taken literally.7 This would join water baptism with
>> >>>>>salvation and upset sola gratia and sola fide so accurately
explained
>> >>>>>and defended elsewhere in Scripture.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Not at all. A vital proof text that immersion believers' baptism--
>> >>>>while a VITAL act of OBEDIENCE-- is not ESSENTIAL-- would be the
thief
>> >>>>on the cross.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Never immersed, he received the only "baptism" that is REQUIRED.
He
>> >>>>was baptized in the Holy Spirit the INSTANT he believed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>You are babbling Roman Catholic NONSENSE that is utterly NOT
>> >>>>scriptural.
>> >>>
>> >>>John W this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church..
>> >>
>> >>If your post is intended strictly for Roman Catholics (sure, it is),
>> >>then why is it posted to the baptist group?
>> >
>> >Well it was and is intended for both groups.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Put your hate
>> >>>of all things Catholic aside.
>> >>
>> >>I don't hate the Roman Catholic person; I hate the utter perversion
of
>> >>pure 1st Century New Testament Christianity (what the Christ and the
>> >>12 left us) that the RCC represents.
>> >>
>> >Yawn..
>> >
>> >>It's as if God and Jesus made SO MANY MISTAKES that it's taken the
RCC
>> >>2,000 years to correct all God's errors!
>> >
>> >zzzzzzZZZZZZ
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>The "nonsense" is coming from this Baptist Church in Edmond
Oklahoma.
>> >>
>> >>??
>> >>
>> >>I'd find far less "nonsense" in a Baptist church that at least
>> >>ATTEMPTS to follow God's rule, than in an RCC "church" in which
man's
>> >>rule is the order of the day, and when one mention's all God's laws
>> >>that are so DELIBERATELY VIOLATED and IGNORED, one gets a LONG list
of
>> >>excuses.
>> >Tell me what they are doing?
>>
>> You have lost me!
>>
>> You said that they did not require water baptism in order to become a
>> member of their church.
>>
>> That is standard among MANY Baptist and other Christian denominations.
>>
>> They are taking a vote on what Scripture
>> >means.
>>
>> I have NO issue with THAT statement as it stands.
>>
>> There are certainly those scriptures "Jesus rose bodily the 3rd day",
>> "Christ is God in human form", "Christ died on the cross to redeem
>> mankind"
>>
>> that we must take literally, word-for-word.
>>
>> HOWEVER, there are CERTAINLY doctrines -- NOT THEOLOGY-- that are
>> debatable.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine
>
>Doctrine, from Latin doctrina (compare doctor), means "a code of
beliefs",
>"a body of teachings" or "instructions", taught principles or positions,
as
>the body of teachings in a branch of knowledge or belief system. The
Greek
>analogy is the etymology of catechism.
>
>Often doctrine specifically connotes a corpus of religious dogma as it
is
>promulgated by a church ...
>
>Examples of religious doctrines include:
>
>Christian Trinity and virgin birth
>Roman Catholic transubstantiation and immaculate conception
>Pentecostal Jesus-Only doctrine
>Calvinist predestination
>Methodist Prevenient Grace
>Mormon doctrine of the Heavenly Mother
>
>The Trinity is debatable
Not if you're a Christian, it's not!
- see many Jehovah's Witness-related threads.
And why on EARTH do you consider Jehovah's Witnesses "Christians?"
Last I was aware, the discussion was amongst CHRISTIANS. Jehovah's
Witnesses are NOT Christians.
If you EXAMINED Jehovah's Witnesses "doctrine" (as you choose to
mis-label it), Jehovah's Witnesses not only reject the teaching
regarding the Trinity, they reject the teaching that Jesus Christ was
God/man. They teach that he was a created being, an ANGEL.
NO matter what else you are confused about, if you reject the Deity of
the Lord Jesus Christ, you are "preaching another gospel."
John 1, The Word WAS GOD, and The Word became flesh.
>Transubstantiation is debatable - see your own statements.
To YOU, transubstantiation is "debatable'. To me, it's not, as it's a
myth. Unnecessary "magic."
>
>Doctrine is not just practice - it's theological teaching as well.
Fine! Suit yourself. There are enough IM****TANT things to
discuss/argue over without adding semantics.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:37:48 -0700
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:25:09 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:38:26 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>>><1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>>
>>>Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>>
>> Funny stuff!
>>
>> One would THINK that "as scientists continue to unlock all the
>> mysteries of life, all the secrets of the origins of the universe", as
>> the computer and nano- and micro-technology continue to improve the
>> lives of so many, that our world would ever evolve into "Utopia."
>>
>> So how come the Nile virus, and HIV/AIDS and measles, and the Black
>> Death, and the Bubonic Plague, and the chicken flu, and the
>> flesh-eating virus, etc., etc., etc.,
>>
>> in 2006 now threaten mankind with extinction
>>
>> in the same way the 50 foot tall flesh-eating dinosaur threatened the
>> 10 foot tall dinosaur and the 4 foot tall "primitive man" ???
>
>Oh give me a break. Are you honestly that stupid that you actually
believe
>that "primitive man" and dinosaurs were on the planet on the same
time?!?
>Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Are you hoestly that stupid, Elaine/Robib, that you are unaware that
man and dinosaurs co-existed?
smirk.
>
>What am I saying? You ARE actually that stupid. That is hilarious. And
you
>have the nerve to brag about your supposed extremely high IQ. How
pathetic.
What amazes me is that you are so damned smug that you have this
pathetic notion that ANYONE who disagrees with you suffers terminal
HUA disease!
As for IQ, m'love, one's ability to learn and one's capacity for
learning (two things IQ measure) have little to do with how much one
actually HAS learned.
Of course, you haven't demonstrated the smarts to know that.
However, in my case (an anomaly, I admit), while my IQ is extremely
high (that's probably on the web somewhere, if you with to look), my
learning apparatus is severely damaged.
Sort of like, I have a grain silo that will hold 500,000 bushels of
wheat. Only my loading ramp is broken, and the 3 wheat moving dump
trucks are all broken down.
All that capacity and no way to utilize it!
You should feel sad, not scorn.
AND you should be hoping and praying the same is never your lot.
Of course, we were just discussing the FACT that you simply ARE that
stupid, and you ARE that shallow.
"Ah, there, but for the grace of God, go I!"
;-)
chuckle.
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Subject: Re: Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
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On 2 Aug 2006 20:54:42 -0700, "Olrik" <olrik666@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
>Vernon wrote:
>> "Dubh Ghall" <puck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:hn52d2hl89jamqg7oeuhtaus3crc9b0bhs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On 2 Aug 2006 13:42:08 -0700, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>>
>> >>And will you make a public apology to us on Aug 24th if we're all
still
>> >>here?
>> >
>>
>> To the idiots, I NEVER mentioned or even implied ANYTHING about us not
being
>> here .
>>
>> Actually the 22 or 23 are im****tant, but more im****tant is the
inability of
>> those here to read with any comprehension.
>
>Read *what*, moron? Care to actually say what you think will happen for
>the dates in question?
You have now posed a most loaded question. If vern is truly an idiot
(he DOES give that impression at times, and that he is a bigot)
but if he is an idiot, he not only doesn't have the gray matter with
which to make any sense,
but if he is truly an idiot, why does one with as much native
intellect as you express even bother to ATTEMPT communication?
Hmmmmmm...
>
>Olrik
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>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:08:17 -0700, Vernon in
><44d1224e$0$23834$882e0bbb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dubh Ghall" <puck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> news:hn52d2hl89jamqg7oeuhtaus3crc9b0bhs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On 2 Aug 2006 13:42:08 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And will you make a public apology to us on Aug 24th if we're all
still
>>>>here?
>>>
>>>
>> To the idiots, I NEVER mentioned or even implied ANYTHING about us not
>> being here .
>>
>> Actually the 22 or 23 are im****tant, but more im****tant is the
inability
>> of those here to read with any comprehension.
>
>Yeah, that's what the last "prophet" said when he passed through...
I continue to note with amusement that there remain in this world of
constant change (the only "constant" MANY of us see is the "constant
of change")
so many who never BOTHER to ask, "can I ask you to clarify that?"
If one comes from a certain mindset / POV ( one that at all smacks of
"Christian") one is presumed by many to be "mad".
chuckle.
Perhaps vern would care to enlighten the unenlightened.
Evidently, vern is aware of some astronomical event, or perhaps he's
referring to the fact that the sun quite LITERALLY does not "rise" in
the East, as the sun does not orbit the Earth.
The sun only APPEARS to "rise in the East", a visual phenomenon unique
to earth. On-- say-- Mars, for those who live there ( ; - ) )
the sun might rise in the NORTH, and set in the South.
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Subject: Re: Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:21:39 -0700
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:50:01 -0700, "Vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>> <1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>
>> Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>
>Watch for Aug 22-23, 2006
>
>>
>> --
>> Mark K. Bilbo
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> "As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
>> for everything bad that happened during and after
>> Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
>> who lived here were much more prepared for a big
>> storm than the federal government that promised
>> us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
>>
>
>
>Real cities don't build in a flood plain.
>
>Phoenix is not expecting the feds to build an air conditioned dome.
>The people were NOT prepared.
>The only disgrace of the government (especially local) is to allow homes
in
>those areas.
>
Too many continue to blame Wa****ngton, D.C, (notably the Republicans)
for Katrina.
The last I heard, New Orleans' citizens had unwisely re-elected their
mayor. He's the one who REFUSED to commandeer some 50 school buses to
evacuate as many as those buses would hold.
Why?
"They are PRIVATELY owned! We had NO AUTHORIZATION to use those buses!
BESIDES, we didn't have the KEYS!
We'd have to have broken into a LOCKED bus yard, and we'd have had to
hotwire those buses!" (turned out not to be true; and the mayor
obviously hadn't even checked; the keys were IN the buses-- which
turned out to be a security risk)
And they call Wa****ngton's politicians "incompetent!"
There was a WIDESPREAD re****ting of people "stealing their neighbor's
boats" in order to fill them with WARM bodies and carry them to higher
ground!
Last I heard, there have been no arrests or prosecutions (nor are
any planned) of those who stole boats to save lives.
In fact, I saw at least 2 interviews by media of people in boats
full of people. "Where did you get the boat?"
"I STOLE IT!"
Those thieves should the "Medal of Freedom;" they were the FEW who
got it right!
Then there were the hardened CRIMINALS who went back into the flood
area a couple of weeks later and BROKE INTO HOMES (breaking and
entering is a felony) to rescue abandoned pets! Many had simply been
left behind. They fed them, they watered them, they nurtured them, and
they returned them to their owners!
Why haven't those burglars been prosecuted? ( ;-) They should all
get medals, too! In fact, if you were watching, there were
CELEBRITIES between making movies who were rescuing pets (they had the
$$$ to do it)
Why blame Wa****ngton? Hasn't Wa****ngton LONG AGO proved (yes) to be
UTTERLY INCOMPETENT at the LOCAL level?
That's what LOCAL / city POLITICIANS are about! THEY negotiate
LOCALLY, the STATE politicians negotiate at the STATE level.
Both Louisiana's state AND local politicians FAILED MISERABLY.
And then pointed the finger of blame at DC!
tsk tsk
john w
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Subject: Re: Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 03:52:20 -0700
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:38:26 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
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>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
><1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>
>Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
Funny stuff!
One would THINK that "as scientists continue to unlock all the
mysteries of life, all the secrets of the origins of the universe", as
the computer and nano- and micro-technology continue to improve the
lives of so many, that our world would ever evolve into "Utopia."
So how come the Nile virus, and HIV/AIDS and measles, and the Black
Death, and the Bubonic Plague, and the chicken flu, and the
flesh-eating virus, etc., etc., etc.,
in 2006 now threaten mankind with extinction
in the same way the 50 foot tall flesh-eating dinosaur threatened the
10 foot tall dinosaur and the 4 foot tall "primitive man" ???
Doesn't seem that-- as man becomes more of a self-fulfilling god with
every passing day-- that he comes any closer to immortality than he
was 50,000 years ago!
chuckle.
One thing man has always done that he continues to do. It just takes
longer. All men -- even Carl Sagan-- still die.
;-)
You still have two choices, as did Adam. And Carl Sagan. You can SORT
of determine HOW you'll die (where, under what cir***stances; such as
in a combat zone, or in Anytown USA), and you can SORT of
pre-determine where you will spend eternity.
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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:57:42 -0400, "bam"
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:13:10 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>
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>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:08 -0400, "bam"
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>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0400, "bam"
>>>>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Bible is not owned by you lot, no matter how many times you
lie in
>>>>>> trying to claim it does, Bryan.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep. We excommunicated Martin Luther and he ran off with our Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>BAM
>>>>>
>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Want a crying towel, sonny?
>>>
>>>No doc. I just don't want you doctoring up the Catholic faith, calling
it
>>>Baptist,
>>
>> I keep looking for the Catholics" in the New Testament! It just ain't
>> there!
>> You're makin' it up, aintcha?
>
>I don't know Johnny boy. Why don't you do a Google on the phrase
"Catholic
>Epistles".
You don't get to call me "Johnny". You don't know me well enough!
>
>>
>> Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
>
>You need to have your brain washed - it's dirty.
I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>
>> The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
>
>Poor slob.
I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>
>
>> (the word "Baptist" is)
>>
>> ;-)
>
>Well then, maybe you can start a church called "in the beginning", and
say
>it was the original church because it's the first three words in the
Bible.
Funny stuff! When you bring your stand-up act to Seattle, drop me an
e-mail!
>
>
>> (even though you've been taught to lie and say "they aren't the same
>> as the Baptists today!)
>
>Get a witness.
>
>
>> The 1st C Christians weren't Baptists, TROLL!
>>
>> They immersed new believers (John 3), they didn't pray to Mary. (they
>> prayed to Jesus)
>>
>> They didn't have idols in their churches like you do.
>>
>> They didn't buy their way to heaven with "indulgences"
>>
>> They didn't chant with prayer beads.
>>
>> Shall I go on?
>
>Neither did they have a pulpit in the middle of their churches. Neither
had
>they pews or white steeples. What an assinine point.
You are TRULY a brainwashed pagan idiot! I have listed half-a-dozen
DOCTRINES of your pagan religion!
You fire back with PRACTICES!
You don't know the difference between NON-issues and ISSUES!
lol!!
"You're a Bible student all right!"
not.
>
>> It's like someone
>>>painting spectacles or a moustache on the Mona Lisa and trying to pass
it
>>>off as their own.
>>
>> You just described the RCC!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> YOu ARE getting it!
>
>Without the Catholic Church you never would have heard of God.
rotfl!!
Like I said, pagan, when you bring your stand-up act to Seattle, drop
me an e-mail!
I'll be the one throwing tomatoes!
;-)
>
>BAM
>
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