mayor who stood before the cameras begging and pleading for the Feds
to come in and bail his ass out, when all along he had the resources
to do it himself. Then he has the nerve to be pointing the finger of
blame at everyone even remotely connected to this, when it's quite
obvious he is the one who screwed up here....BIG TIME.
Whatever remains of New Orleans when election time comes around again,
I hope the people remember his bumbling and incompetence. He needs to
be removed from office. He should do the honorable thing and resign,
but that isn't going to happen. Not when there's billions of dollars
on the line.
**Update**: The Jawa Re****t has further thoughts on the Wizbang post.
Posted by Brian in Current Events at 08:02 | Trackbacks (0)
Hey, Mark Bilbo! Dumbass!
It's always easier for you pathologial, arrested infantile
personalities to "blame the OTHER guy" (in Wa****ngton) than to place
blame on your local-- incompetent officials.
Now tell me that all these independent re****ters and journalists are
WRONG!
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:37:48 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:23:55 -0700, john w in
><qti4d2hrpc0tbi62vtnrk5hhalgp2fvs78@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:31:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:21:39 -0700, john w in
>>><0cl3d25hoe8da3j03ldqvha1nqfvbgnbbl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:50:01 -0700, "Vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>news:eeOdnXGi3JqPfk3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>>>>>> <1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>>>>>
>>>>>Watch for Aug 22-23, 2006
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- "As hip as it
is
>>>>>> for outsiders to blame New Orleans for everything bad that
happened
>>>>>> during and after Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who
>>>>>> lived here were much more prepared for a big storm than the
federal
>>>>>> government that promised us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Real cities don't build in a flood plain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phoenix is not expecting the feds to build an air conditioned dome.
The
>>>>>people were NOT prepared.
>>>>>The only disgrace of the government (especially local) is to allow
>>>>>homes in those areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Too many continue to blame Wa****ngton, D.C, (notably the
Republicans)
>>>> for Katrina.
>>>
>>>No, expert engineers blame the Army Corp of Engineers for their now
>>>proven and ADMITTED **** ups in building the levees which should NOT
have
>>>failed. The levees were "rated" to withstand up to a Cat 3. Well,
Katrina
>>>was around Cat 2/Cat 3 when she hit the city.
>>>
>>>There is now definitive proof the flood was caused by the Corp, not
>>>Katrina. Even the Corp has finally admitted it was their fault.
>>
>> You continue to miss the point. I did not say that Wa****ngton didn't
screw
>> up. I DID say that Louisiana officials and New Orleans officials
(notably
>> the mayor) screwed up BIG time.
>
>The Army Corp of Engineers was responsible for the flood. Period.
So we can make a LONG list of those who were "to blame."
Fine. So how does that help the people the Mayor ALLOWED to drown
because he refused to use some basic common sense?
>
>>>> The last I heard, New Orleans' citizens had unwisely re-elected
their
>>>> mayor.
>>>
>>>Yes, Nagin won re-election. The people in the city know a hell of a
lot
>>>better than *you do about what Nagin did.
>>
>> Rubbish! The people in the city quite obviously didn't have access to
the
>> TV NEWS to see what STUPIDITY the mayor displayed.
>
>Oh some insane dumb**** ***** **** writer knows better than the people
>who live there?
You're an insane lying idiot.
And the people who live there are STUPID if you're one of them, you're
even more stupid!
Demoniac!
It's been all this time later, and STILL all you care to do is cast
blame!
When are YOU going to pull YOUR HEAD out of your rectum and face the
FACT that your MAYOR screwed up BIG TIME!
>
>Like ****ing hell.
>
>> It would have been the easiest thing in the world-- if he had not had
>> HUA disease, to have broken into that school bus yard and used those
>> buses! In fact, memory recalls 2 SEPARATE fleets of buses that were
>> NEVER USED. As people died, some 100 buses sat idle.
>>
>> No plan, no heroic efforts on the part of the mayor.
>
>You're a liar. I was here. I *SAW* what was done.
Oh! I see, you are everywhere at once! you know all about those
buses!
I watch the NEWS, moron!
And YOU are a pathological liar!
>
>You're a evil piece of feces that does nothing but spew venom as you
>wor****p some imaginary demonic being who isn't worth the protoplasm your
>made of.
So, you know all the curse words, and you have no problem using them
all in public! What does that make YOU but a foul-mouthed ignorant,
idiot?
snip
>
>>>> He's the one who REFUSED to commandeer some 50 school buses to
>>>> evacuate as many as those buses would hold.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> "They are PRIVATELY owned! We had NO AUTHORIZATION to use those
buses!
>>>>
>>>> BESIDES, we didn't have the KEYS!
>>>>
>>>> We'd have to have broken into a LOCKED bus yard, and we'd have had
to
>>>> hotwire those buses!" (turned out not to be true; and the mayor
>>>> obviously hadn't even checked; the keys were IN the buses-- which
>>>> turned out to be a security risk)
>>>>
>>>> And they call Wa****ngton's politicians "incompetent!"
>>>
>>>You are a lying,
Try using your damn computer and the Internet to look up all the damn
buses that sat there in 3 feet of water because your mayor didn't
Bother to break a few locks!
>>
>> I am not lying. You are uninformed. I watch the news, while you shove
>> your head up your butt to count your lesions.
>
>I *LIVE* in the area you useless mother ****er.
>
>> evil asshole and if you represent this "god" then the
>>>only moral thing to do should that being exist is to repudiate it.
>>>
>>>You were not here, you have no ****ing clue what was going on.
>>
>> You obviously don't bother to keep yourself informed!
>
>I LIVE HERE
Congratulations, dimwit!
Inform yourself, you stupid, ill-informed, foul-mouthed son of a
*****!
read a NEWS story for a change, dumbass:
---
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9231926/
From MSNBC:
What went wrong in Katrina’s wake?
Many questions but few answers about the slow response on all levels
By Lisa Myers & the NBC Investigative Unit
NBC News
Lisa Meyers is Senior Investigative Correspondent
Updated: 5:59 p.m. PT Sept 6, 2005
WA****NGTON - Some 200 New Orleans school buses sit underwater in a
parking lot, unused. That's enough to have evacuated at least 13,000
people. Why weren’t those buses sent street by street to pick up
people before the storm?
[ 200 school buses sat in water in a parking lot, unused. Enough
buses to evacuate at LEAST 13,000 people! Why weren't they used?
Because the Mayor "didn't have authorization! or the key to the gate!"
]
A draft emergency plan, prepared by the Federal Emergency Management
Agency and obtained by NBC News, calls for "400 buses to ... evacuate
victims." Yet those 200 buses were left in Katrina's path.
"That's a real tragedy that these resources weren't employed," said
Greg Shaw, a disaster management expert at George Wa****ngton
University," because it would have been good to get those people out
of the city."
^ ^ ^
Story continues below ?
----
Try reading / listening to the NEWS sometime, dumbass!
(this story took me a whole 5 minutes to find with a Google search!
(meaning you'd rather believe your DELUSIONS than to get INFORMED!)
How about Wikipedia's story, you illiterate, dumbass!
-------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina
under the heading
Prevention and evacuation issues:
State and city evacuation plans ([10] Part 1 Section C and part II-2)
mention use of school buses for evacuation. With the following
language:
"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide trans****tation
for individuals who lack trans****tation and require assistance in
evacuating."
--> Several hundred school buses were left parked on low ground where
they would be easily flooded with storm water and then later by the
levee flooding making their use impossible in the emergency
evacuation. It is not clear whether these buses were owned by the city
or by a private contractor to which the city had outsourced school bus
services. Mayor Nagin testified in his hearing in Wa****ngton that
those buses were owned by the school board and that he had no control
over them. The precise number of buses available has been cited
anywhere from a couple of hundred to a likely exaggerated 2,000 [11].
<--
State and city evacuation plans ([10] Part 1 Section C and part II-2)
mention use of school buses for evacuation. With the following
language: "The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal
vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and
vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide
trans****tation for individuals who lack trans****tation and require
assistance in evacuating."
--> Several hundred school buses were left parked on low ground where
they would be easily flooded with storm water and then later by the
levee flooding making their use impossible in the emergency
evacuation. It is not clear whether these buses were owned by the city
or by a private contractor to which the city had outsourced school bus
services.
vvvvvvv
Mayor Nagin testified in his hearing in Wa****ngton that those buses
were owned by the school board and that he had no control over them.
^^^^^^^
The precise number of buses available has been cited anywhere from a
couple of hundred to a likely exaggerated 2,000 [11].
If I had been the Mayor of New Orleans, I'd have issued an executive
order to take OWNER****P of the damn buses!
But the MAYOR made excuses, and dummys like YOU reelected the
INCOMPETENT SOB!
-----
Try EDUCATING yourself, you dumbass!
If you don't know how to use your computer and the Internet to do
anything but make up lies and *****, perhaps you should CANCEL your
lisp and sell your computer!
>
>> By the time
>>>it came down to last about 15% of the population left in the city,
there
>>>was no time to put them on the road.
>>
>> Dumb****! I am saying that they didn't even TRY!
>>
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>THE PEOPLE OF THE DOME SURVIVED THE STORM.
>>
>> And got murdered by roving gangs.
>
And you don't have 2 cc worth of gray matter that the demons haven't
devoured!
john w
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author
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:52:59 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:19:16 -0400, Jeff Wilson <jeff@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>It's been several months now since I posted here. Deciding to return
>>>today and look around, I still see you making an ass of yourself.
>>>Are you really as nuts as you sound? Somehow I think so.
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>chuckle.
>>
>>I'm fine with me. Obviously you are not fine with you when you think
>>you need to write such silly posts, to make yourself feel better by
>>attempting to make others feel worse.
>>
>>I'll put you at the top of my prayer list!
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>Isn't it totally cool that we can both come in here and make total
>>***** of ourselves?
>>
>>
>I haven't seen Jeff Wilson in here for some time, and yet, when he
>returns he even sees the insanity in you!
Interesting, Crazy Elaine, how you can see the insanity in everyone
but yourself!
tsk tsk
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:29:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:34:47 -0700, IKnowHim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
>wrote:
>
>>Ritualism of the Roman Catholic Church 4
>
>> The repetitious recital of prayers is a heathen
>>practice specifically condemned by the Lord Jesus Christ: "In your
prayers
>>do not babble as the pagans do, for they think that by using many words
>>they will make themselves heard. DO NOT BE LIKE THEM" (Matt 6:7,8,
>>J.B.V.).
>
>It's good to point out your ignorance to you. We aren't babbling, but
praying.
You are not praying; you are babbling. How many HUNDREDS of times must
you repeat the same words before you believe God hears you?
tsk tsk
>You should try it some time.
>
>>Roman Catholics-flee while you still can!
>
>And join the ranks of you protest_ants that reject the words of Christ -
NO
>THANKS.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>IKnowHimDoYou- A. wrote:
>> RCC Examined 26
>>
>> 4. The Use of the Rosary- The rosary is a device consisting of a chain
of
>> beads used in the ritualistic counting of repetitious prayers such as
Hail
>> Marys and the Lord's Prayer.
>
>You forgot that the meditations of the Rosary are the Gosples,
Someone lied to you!
You will not find "The Rosary" ANYWHERE in the Bible
And it's not "a meditation". It's a repetitious CHANT (forbidden)
designed for self-hypnosis, so that you will be more receptive to
demon possession.
;-)
i.e.
>the life of Christ. (another poster mentions this, just wanted to
>post it again).
>
>
You seem to have gotten lost.
The RCC group is that way!
< ----------------------------
:-)
>>
>> "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John
8:32).
>
>Well "IKnowHim" it's time you listened to the words of John 8:32, and
>stop
>spreading outright lies.
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On 3 Aug 2006 14:19:13 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
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> wrote:
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>
>checker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:29:13 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:27:20 -0600, checker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Sobut the protest_er church wasn't around 2000 years ago when
Christ
>> >>>started his Church with the Mass, 7 sacraments, and the Papacy.
Your church
>> >>>started about 500 years ago.
>> >
>> >>Jesus never started His church with any mass, 7 sacraments, OR the
>> >>papacy.
>> >
>> >Sure he did. It's scriptural.
>>
>> SHOW us a papacy in scripture.
>
>"Thou art Peter (Rock); and upon this rock I will build my church."
>(Matt.16:18, Dy)
>
>
>> SHOW us a mass.
>
>In the Bible, Jesus said, "This Is My Body, this Is My Blood, do
>this...."
>This is the most im****tant part of the Mass.
>
>
>
>> SHOW us 7 sacraments (define your term first, please)
>
>Start another thread and take them one by one, less chance
>you can confuse others.
Kindly delete the Baptist group from your cross-posted spam next time.
:-)
Thank you!
john w
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> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:17:49 -0400, larry4355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:50:13 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:44:11 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2rj1d29trssg0nqsg8fu9g61uqls7mt7gu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> snip
>>>>>>> Since I was the one that originally used the expression
"attention whore",
>>>>>> You WERE, Elaine?
>>>>> Why don't you ****ing ask her instead of annoying me, you senile
old
>>>>> douchbag.
>>>> If it imagines it can annoy you, Robyn, it will keep on
trying.......
>>>>
>>>> At best, it is nothing but a low-functioning amoeba.... a liar, and
a
>>>> LEECH of society.
>>> And this is why some people view you Elaine as a hypocrite. Look at
>>> the curse word Robin said, and you said nothing about it. But the
>>> moment John post a curse word, you are all over him about it.
>>>
>>> And you are mocking God, but mocking one of his creations, by calling
>>> John and it, among other things.
>>>
>>> May God forgive you for this,
>>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Larry! But if you have not yet come to grips with it yet,
>> Elaine has had what is called "a psychotic break", that only
>> medication, a proper diagnosis, and LONG-term INTENSIVE care will even
>> HOPE to help.
>>
>> But she must first ADMIT she's sick. And sadly, people who are as sick
>> as she is are the LAST to seek help.
>>
>> (she thinks the whole world is off-kilter). However, you may have
>> noticed that those with whom she has chosen to align (Dave, crawls,
>> Phar Lap, Jim Agar) are as psychotic as she is.
>
>Isn't it wonderful we all pivot around you,
You hardly pivot around me! But I CAN use such remarks at this one at
your court-martial, and at your commitment hearing.
Thanks for your help!
:-)
john w
>
>> "Guilt by association."
>>
>> God bless, Larry!
>>
>> john w
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:43:52 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>>
>>There is nothing dishonorable about being physically or mentally
>>handicapped (you are certainly mentally deficient, Jimmy)
>>
>Never saw him say there was........
>
>>and there is nothing dishonorable about getting assisted living (low
>>income/disabled/senior / Section 8) housing when one needs it.
>>
>So are you finally admitting to being Section-8?
> 'bout time...
I said there are assisted living situations.
They INCLUDE:
low income
disabled
seniors
Section 8
Funny how you ZEROED in on "Section 8" and totally skipped the first
3!
Why?
(Never mind; I actually am not interested, beyond pointing out your
hatred and bigotry)
Oh! Almost forgot!
And when did my EXACT situation become YOUR business? You should be
less worried about every tiny detail of the lives of those you
DESPISE, and more concerned with YOUR business!
;-)
>
>>I suggest you pray, Jimmy, that you are as healthy as I am when you
>>are my age!
>>
>To listen to your continual griping,
Last I heard, you bigoted,
self-righteous,
atrophied brained
*****,
Christians are supposed to come to one another, explain our situations
(like in here), and ask for prayer.
YOU've done it!
you've been saying you have a
>serious heart condition, etc--------- so which is it-- are you
>healthy, or otherwise? You sound more like a hypochondriac to me.
Remind me, what business my health is of yours? (I keep forgetting)
>
>>;-)
>>
>>The way you're headed, someone is going to snuff you before you turn
>>40!
>>
>How do you know he isn't forty already?
Fine! So "the way Jimmy is headed, someone is going to snuff him
before he turns 45."
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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:37 -0400, "bam"
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> wrote:
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>
>"Dr. Knapp" <rwknapp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:1154619299.351244.116410@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> bam wrote:
>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:1bu2d2htghv7d4at991lnol8ml184e0466@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>>
>>> There's a tricky was out of a losing argument..........
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
>>> >>
>>> >>You need to have your brain washed - it's dirty.
>>> >
>>> > I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>>>
>>> OK. You got brainwashed by a heretic.
>>>
>>> >>> The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
>>> >>
>>> >>Poor slob.
>>> >
>>> > I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>>>
>>> Loser.
>>>
>>> >>> (even though you've been taught to lie and say "they aren't the
same
>>> >>> as the Baptists today!)
>>> >>
>>> >>Get a witness.
>>>
>>> >>> They immersed new believers (John 3), they didn't pray to Mary.
(they
>>> >>> prayed to Jesus)
>>>
>>> Mary wasn't dead yet. But they honored her more than any living
person.
>>
>> Mary was not honored after the death of Jesus she is mention only a
few
>> times. There is no bible record of anyone honoring Mary while she was
>> alive, even Jesus did not call her mother on the cross, he called her
>> "woman".
>
>>
>> Nothing in the Bible says anyone honored her.
>
>
>Do you read the Bible Knapp??
>
>Luk 1:48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for
behold
>from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
You are referring to one verse in the decree of the angel as "everyone
in the Bible honored her?"
THAT is a S t r e t c h !!
>
but, you knew that!
john w
>You'd do yourself a good turn if you'd start shutting up and start
obeying
>the Holy Catholic Church.
>
>BAM
>
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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:35:15 -0400, "bam"
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:57:42 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>
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> wrote in message
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>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:13:10 -0400, "bam"
>>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>>>
>>>>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>news:mssvc2dgd2clhfk8ulmq9trjr4iiuhp36l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:08 -0400, "bam"
>>>>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:1omvc2de499qnqa0scd4i4isbpsehos9a6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0400, "bam"
>>>>>>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Bible is not owned by you lot, no matter how many times you
lie
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> trying to claim it does, Bryan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep. We excommunicated Martin Luther and he ran off with our
Bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BAM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Want a crying towel, sonny?
>>>>>
>>>>>No doc. I just don't want you doctoring up the Catholic faith,
calling
>>>>>it
>>>>>Baptist,
>>>>
>>>> I keep looking for the Catholics" in the New Testament! It just
ain't
>>>> there!
>>>> You're makin' it up, aintcha?
>>>
>>>I don't know Johnny boy. Why don't you do a Google on the phrase
"Catholic
>>>Epistles".
>>
>> You don't get to call me "Johnny". You don't know me well enough!
>
>There's a tricky was out of a losing argument..........
>
>
>>>> Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
>>>
>>>You need to have your brain washed - it's dirty.
>>
>> I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>
>OK. You got brainwashed by a heretic.
>
>>>> The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
>>>
>>>Poor slob.
>>
>> I see you are doing the famous Roman Catholic dance, the sidestep.
>
>Loser.
>
>>>> (even though you've been taught to lie and say "they aren't the same
>>>> as the Baptists today!)
>>>
>>>Get a witness.
>
>>>> They immersed new believers (John 3), they didn't pray to Mary.
(they
>>>> prayed to Jesus)
>
>Mary wasn't dead yet. But they honored her more than any living person.
>
>
>>>Neither did they have a pulpit in the middle of their churches.
Neither
>>>had
>>>they pews or white steeples. What an assinine point.
>>
>> You are TRULY a brainwashed pagan idiot! I have listed half-a-dozen
>> DOCTRINES of your pagan religion!
>
>Rome has spoken; the case is closed.
lol!!
ROTFLMAO!!
john w
Here's what I think of your Rome!
sa lute! (with one finger)
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> wrote:
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:42:24 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:13:10 -0400, "bam"
>> >> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> ><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:mssvc2dgd2clhfk8ulmq9trjr4iiuhp36l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:08 -0400, "bam"
>> >> >> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:1omvc2de499qnqa0scd4i4isbpsehos9a6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0400, "bam"
>> >> >>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The Bible is not owned by you lot, no matter how many times
you
>lie
>> >in
>> >> >>>> trying to claim it does, Bryan.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Yep. We excommunicated Martin Luther and he ran off with our
Bible.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>BAM
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Want a crying towel, sonny?
>> >> >
>> >> >No doc. I just don't want you doctoring up the Catholic faith,
calling
>it
>> >> >Baptist,
>> >>
>> >> I keep looking for the Catholics" in the New Testament! It just
ain't
>> >> there!
>> >> You're makin' it up, aintcha?
>> >>
>> >> Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
>> >>
>> >> The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
>> >
>> >2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus
judge,
>> >that if one died for all, then were all dead:
>>
>> As I have said repeatedly, if you cannot discuss the issues with me
>> without using the KJV, we won't discuss the issues.
>
>You won't discuss issues on which we disagree, period. All you do is
>pontificate.
Funny!
lol!!
I was thinking the exact same about you!
"If you don't agree with ME, you're pontificating!"
So why bother at all?
>
>> >2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not
>> >henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them,
and
>rose
>> >again.
>> >
>> >1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due
time.
>> >
>> >Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering
of
>the
>> >body of Jesus Christ once for all.
>> >
>> >Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for
thou
>> >only art holy: for all nations shall come and wor****p before thee;
for
>thy
>> >judgments are made manifest.
>> >
>> >Catholic means universal - for all. That is the group for whom the
>Gospel
>> >message is. All. That is why the Catholic Church is called the
Church
>for
>> >all.
>>
>> Then SAY "the universal church".
>
>Why? Because you tell me to? The term Catholic means what it means ...
and
>it means universal. You can't change that.
Your misuse of the term offends me. So don't do things that offend
those whom you wish to call "brothers."
If you insist on doing things that I say offend me, don't presume to
call us "brothers."
It truly is that simple!
>
>> But that is NOT what you mean! You do not mean "the universal church".
>> You DO mean the Roman Catholic church. Because there are Baptist
>> churches in as many places as there are Catholic churches!
>
>But not for nearly as long.
Is this a contest?
tsk tsk.
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> wrote:
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> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:54:37 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >>"God established the Catholic Church for All" wrote in message
>news:1154389330.015518.179570@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>> Andrew wrote:
>> >>>> "duke" wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > .. there is a Church founded by Christ that celebrates the
Mass,
>has 7
>> >>>> > sacraments, and a man leader****p (Papacy) under the guidance of
the
>> >>>> > Holy Spirit.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Now what?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > duke, American-American
>> >>>> > *****
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When we read the account of the early church in the book of Acts
and
>NT
>> >>>> epistles, we find that although Peter was one of the pillars of
the
>church, he
>> >>>> was not the pope, or a pope - it's not there.
>> >>>
>> >>> They didn't speak English during the time of Saint Peter, "Pope"
>> >>> is an English word.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Therefore, the whole idea is a deception to promulgate the
>unscriptural idea
>> >>>
>> >>> Therefore, your entire statement is incorrect, see above. Saint
Peter
>> >>> IS the 1st Pope of Gods Catholic church.
>> >
>> >>This is true according to what they taught you, but if you read the
>account
>> >>of the early church in the book of Acts and the NT epistles... you
will
>find
>> >>that although Peter was one of the pillars of the church, he was not
a
>pope.
>> >
>> >So............what is a pope?
>>
>> A "pope" is an anti-Christ, a phony baloney invention of corrupt human
>> beings.
>
>If that's the definition of "pope" then Peter was never a pope, and nor
was
>John Paul II, and Benedict XVI isn't pope either. But they're still the
>leaders of the Christian community,
No, they are not! I can list you probably 2,000 churches without even
breathing hard, that do not acknowledge the Roman Catholic pope.
;-)
I certainly don't.
chosen by God.
No! he is chosen by a bunch of silly old retards in Rome who wear
funny dresses!
And, yes, I have only the worst possible CONTEMPT for the practice,
and for the old PERVERTS who "choose your pope."
He / and they usurp the rightful place of the Holy Spirit.
;-)
And MANY of the "decrees from the Vatican" are counter-Biblical!
(that means AGAINST the Holy Spirit)
john w
>
>> Or further, who is a pope?
>>
>> There is no church office in the Bible called "pope", so take your
>> choice!
>>
>> You want to be pope this week?
>>
>> I'll take next week!
>>
>> There are no cardinals. There are no archbishops.
>>
>> There are priests, and there are bishops.
>
>What is the name of your church's bishop?
Dr Whatsittoya
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
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>> >> author
>> >> >On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His followers.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
>> >>
>> >> John 3
>> >>
>> >> JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the
>> >> Judean countryside,
>> >> where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
>> >>
>> >> 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there
was
>> >> plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized.
24
>> >> (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument developed
>> >> between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter
of
>> >> ceremonial wa****ng.
>> >>
>> >> 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with
>> >> you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
>> >> about--well,
>> >>
>> >> He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
>> >>
>> >> ^ ^
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
>> >> CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
>> >
>> >It's EXPLANATORY, not CONTRADICTORY, information. It EXPLAINS John
3.
>>
>> How many times do you plan on "explaining' this contradiction?
>>
>> That's probably 20 thus far this week!
>
>I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself.
No, but the ONLY way you can explain the apparent CONTRADICTION
between John 3 and John 4 is to disregard John 3!
I strive to HARMONIZE them! He did baptize; not everybody who
"re****ted in" saw Him baptize.
However, that view presents YOU a MAJOR problem!
"He BAPTIZED," that is, He IMMERSED BELIEVERS IN WATER!
HORRORS!
YOU SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE VERSES THAT SAY ' HE BAPTIZED' ANYONE!
So YOU simply toss THOSE verses in the GARBAGE!
" Well, John 3 says He did! John 4 says He didn't!"
You're gonna go with John 4! ;-)
Why am I not surprised?
(You're a Roman Catholic!)
--- INSTEAD-- I HARMONIZE them!
;-)
Nor do you need refer me to the Adventists!
john w
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>> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and chooses
>> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them of
>> >> >doing.
>> >>
>> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
refer
>> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >>
>> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to be
a
>> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >>
>> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >>
>> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> don't believe in it
>> >>
>> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> don't believe in it
>> >>
>> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >>
>> >> don't believe in it.
>> >>
>> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >>
>> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic.
>> >
>> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who picks
and
>> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>>
>> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian" it's
>> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught that
>> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe 549
>> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>
>
>
>> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>>
>> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians, the
>> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>
>To each individual?
>
>> the Roman
>> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> instead.
>
>It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>historical Christianity.
>
>> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other denominations.
>
>If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be problematic.
But
>since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority, and a
>teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
>
>> >By its very nature, Sola Scriptura leads to that sort of thing
>>
>> Nonsense! And -- again-- you misunderstand the authority of
>> scripture. It unites us; it does not divide us.
>
>Tell that to all the denominations who baptise adults only and infants,
who
>believe that Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is symbolic, really
present,
>and absent, who sing only psalms as well as other hymns, including and
>forbidding rock music, etc.
>
>> And how it unites us is simply that it allows the Saturday wor****pper
>> to fellow****p outside of church with the Sunday wor****pper, as long as
>> both are tolerant.
>>
>> It allows the person who reads the NIV translation to fellow****p with
>> the one who prefers the RSV.
>>
>> It allows the person who speaks in "tongues" to fellow****p with the
>> one who believes the signs are long gone.
>>
>>
>> - not picking
>> >and choosing what parts of the Bible are good and bad (although many
do
>so)
>>
>> Actually, AGAIN, that is a misunderstanding of the freedom we have in
>> Christ.
>>
>> I have explained MANY times, yet you-- an "enlightened Roman
>> Catholic" -- continue to fail to grasp Paul's VERY im****tant teaching.
>>
>> "Let each be convinced in his own mind."
>
>Of the virgin birth?
Did I mention the virgin birth as a teaching on which there could be
diversity?
I did not! Which means you CONTINUE to not understand "core teaching"
(virgin birth) from differences over which day we should wor****p!
For you, there are 500 teachings that I would call "diversity"
teachings that you would call "core" teachings.
There simply is not FREEDOM of conscience in your religion. Which is
why I would never ever ever be a part of your religion. It forbids
individuality and thought.
Yes, sure, let them be convinced, but one way is
>right, and the other is wrong.
So, according to your rigid view, which is the correct Bible?
According to your rigid view, what is the correct style of seating in
church?
According to you, which is the correct type of wood to be used for
the pulpit?
>
>> For example:
>> IF I eat meat, but you do not, then I should not eat meat in front of
>> you.
>>
>> If you drink vodka, and I do not, then you should not drink your vodka
>> in front of me.
>>
>> >but choosing how one will interpret the passages one accepts, based
on a
>> >variety of whims.
>>
>> AGAIN, you ridicule and dismiss a very im****tant teaching. "The
>> freedom in Christ to disagree on non-essentials."
>>
>> You do not have/ and you do not understand, the freedom in Christ to
>> disagree on the non-essentials.
>
>And, it would seem, you have the freedom to define what non-essentials
are,
>while the rest do not.
I have defined "non-essentials" MANY times, but in your atrophied
(Roman Catholicized) brain, you just don't get it.
That means-- for you-- any teaching-- ANYTHING-- that comes out of
Rome, is a "core teaching."
If the Roman Catholic Church ordered you to begin drinking your urine
tomorrow, you would. If it comes out of the Vatican, it's "core
teaching."
You are not allowed to think for yourself!
The Bible says "be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
You demonstrate no mind.
john w
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:tto3d25po3von82lof10e40c1t8opcdqgi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:11:01 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:pib0d25d2i3398i6rotkltjqvibltrcfvs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>> >> >>no such thing
>> >> >Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and chooses
>> >> >what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them of
>> >> >doing.
>> >>
>> >> I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to
refer
>> >> to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
>> >> everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
>> >>
>> >> In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to be
a
>> >> Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
>> >>
>> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
>> >>
>> >> Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
>> >> don't believe in it
>> >>
>> >> Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
>> >> don't believe in it
>> >>
>> >> Have NO other gods before me!
>> >>
>> >> don't believe in it.
>> >>
>> >> I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
>> >> "don't believe that!"
>> >>
>> >> If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic.
>> >
>> >Actually, the term is usually used to describe a Catholic who picks
and
>> >chooses what parts of Catholic teaching he will believe or follow.
>>
>> I was being facetious. The times I've heard "Cafeteria Christian" it's
>> been a put-down from a Roman Catholic who has been wrongly taught that
>> all Christians must believe these 550 things. If you only believe 549
>> of them, you can't be a Christian!
>
>
>
>> I see in scripture, that we must believe certain "core teachings",
>> such as the Trinity, the Deity of our Lord, His virgin birth, etc.
>>
>> Yet even a CORE teaching among MOST denominations of Christians, the
>> final authority of scripture as taught by the Holy Spirit,
>
>To each individual?
Here we go again! I've discussed this REPEATEDLY, and yet you STILL
can't wrap your head around it! After I've discussed it from 50
different angles, it remains a complete MYSTERY to you!
Why is that?
Even if you disagreed, you SHOULD be able to understand it! Yet your
continued questions about the "priesthood of the believer" (Let each
of you make up his own mind) indicate you just don't get it!
>
>> the Roman
>> Catholic FLATLY rejects, placing that authority in the VATICAN,
>> instead.
>
>It's a common thread amongst a minority ... not a core teaching of
>historical Christianity.
You don't know the first thing about "historical Christianity" (the
New Testament kind).
>
>> Meaning YOU would FLUNK a CORE teaching of MOST other denominations.
>
>If it were a core teaching of Christianity, that would be problematic.
smirk.
It's in the Bible, genius! That makes it a "core teaching" by
do***entary evidence. That you don't see it there is NOT the fault of
the Bible, since millions of Christians all over the world, can open
their Bibles to the same exact passage and show it to you, yet YOU
can't understand it!
But
>since it's not, but rather a common teaching held by the minority, and a
>teaching that is 500 years old at most, it's not a problem.
There truly is no point in a Baptist born again Christian "debating
this" with a Roman Catholic who REFUSES to even be immersion baptized
as a believer!
john w
snip
YOu CONTINUE to want to engage me, to convert me.
"Ain't gonna happen!"
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:37:39 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>Robibnikoff wrote:
>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:fho3d2tr45h6gk9goob329r68cgu5jfqif@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:50:13 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:44:11 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2rj1d29trssg0nqsg8fu9g61uqls7mt7gu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> snip
>>>>>>> Since I was the one that originally used the expression
"attention
>>>>>>> whore",
>>>>>> You WERE, Elaine?
>>>>> Why don't you ****ing ask her instead of annoying me, you senile
old
>>>>> douchbag.
>>>> If it imagines it can annoy you, Robyn, it will keep on
trying.......
>>> WOW! Psychotic Elaine AGAIN lowers herself to refer to me in sub-
human
>>> terms!
>>
>> Elaine? Are you sure you're not talking to Robib?
>>
>> You seem so confused lately.
>
>Lately! This is the guy known as the 'scrambled one'...
Known by one clown (you) as "scrambled". And a LONG list of people
have put you in your place regarding such psychotic behavior.
And I'd STILL rather be me than you, pal!
;-)
(you are headed for a LONG incarceration!)
:-)
I'm personally hoping that your new girlfriend is 7 feet tall, 4 feet
wide, that he shaves his head, that his biceps are as big around as
your thighs, that he has a HUGE tattoo on his chest that says
"Maybelline", and his name is "Bubba". And he thinks you're the cutest
fish around.
:-)
john w
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>
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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> wrote:
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>
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>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:39:31 -0500, Mike I
>> >> <hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:17:46 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:22:04 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> >>author
>> >> >>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:16:16 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >>>wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>x-no-archive: yes
>> >> >>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:32:03 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> >>>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>the
>> >> >>>>author
>> >> >>>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:21 -0500, Mike I
>> >> >>>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Since this topic was recently discussed in these NG's. I
thought
>I
>> >> >>>>>>would bring this to your attention.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>It appears the discussion of immersion is on going even among
>> >Baptist.
>> >> >>>>>>Oklahoma's biggest Baptist church in Edmond Oklahoma has
raised
>the
>> >> >>>>>>question. For the record they did postpone the vote to give
>others a
>> >> >>>>>>chance to speak.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
>> >> >>>>>>Jul 24, 2006
>> >> >>>>>>By Staff
>> >> >>>>>>Baptist Press
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--In three services over the weekend of
July
>> >29-30,
>> >> >>>>>>members of Henderson Hills Baptist Church in Edmond, Okla.,
will
>> >vote
>> >> >>>>>>on a proposal to eliminate baptism as a requirement for
church
>> >> >>>>>>member****p. Announcement of the vote has sparked a flurry of
>> >debate --
>> >> >>>>>>a discussion reflected on the pages of The Baptist Messenger,
>news
>> >> >>>>>>journal of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>In a column published on the news journal's website,
>> >> >>>>>>www.baptistmessenger.com, Henderson Hills pastor Dennis
Newkirk
>> >> >>>>>>explains that, while the congregation's elder council
believes
>"the
>> >> >>>>>>New Testament commands every believer to be baptized by
>immersion,
>> >> >>>>>>subsequent to salvation," they are questioning whether
baptism
>> >should
>> >> >>>>>>be required "as an initiatory rite of church member****p."
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>The proposal, Newkirk writes, "is not intended to excuse
people
>from
>> >> >>>>>>the sin of refusing baptism. Instead, our concern is for
>Christians
>> >in
>> >> >>>>>>two categories, those who physically cannot experience
immersion
>due
>> >> >>>>>>to a disability, and for those who are under the mistaken
>conviction
>> >> >>>>>>that sprinkling is baptism."
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Like many Southern Baptist churches, Henderson Hills deals
with
>> >people
>> >> >>>>>>who would like to join but are members of churches that
sprinkle
>> >> >>>>>>infants, rather than immersing individuals who have
consciously
>> >chosen
>> >> >>>>>>to follow Christ. The vast majority of Southern Baptist
churches
>> >would
>> >> >>>>>>require such inquirers to offer evidence of salvation and
submit
>to
>> >> >>>>>>baptism by immersion.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Although Newkirk's column says that "in 31 years of ministry,
I
>have
>> >> >>>>>>never met a believer who adamantly refused baptism," he
argues
>that
>> >> >>>>>>the requirement of rebaptism is an obstacle to ministering to
>such
>> >> >>>>>>people.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"We often sacrifice our op****tunity to teach and influence
those
>> >> >>>>>>mistaken Christians by rejecting them or we unintentionally
>promote
>> >an
>> >> >>>>>>unbiblical motive for baptism, making it little more than a
rite
>of
>> >> >>>>>>initiation into church member****p," Newkirk writes. "Why not
>allow
>> >> >>>>>>them the blessings, responsibilities and protection of church
>> >> >>>>>>member****p, and then teach, pray, and influence them towards
>> >biblical
>> >> >>>>>>baptism?"
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>The proposal coming before the congregation would strike the
>phrase,
>> >> >>>>>>"has been scripturally baptized," from a church bylaw that
>currently
>> >> >>>>>>reads, in part: "Member****p will be granted to anyone who
offers
>a
>> >> >>>>>>biblical testimony of salvation, has been scripturally
baptized
>and
>> >> >>>>>>agrees to accept the responsibilities of member****p."
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>You can read the rest of the story at:
>> >> >>>>>>http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23674
>> >> >>>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>>http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/282006h.asp
>> >> >>>>>>http://www.newsok.com/article/2822312
>> >> >>>>>>http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9581346/detail.html
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Let me add one more site they have a PDF file online the
explains
>> >> >>>>>there concerns.
>> >>
>>
>>>>>>>http://www.hhbc.com/Websites/25/Files/Biblical%20Material%20Sub-
Team%2
>0
>> >Re****t.pdf
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>I just skimmed the do***ent and found these lines interesting:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Every instance of baptism in the New Testament does not
>necessarily
>> >> >>>>>refer to water baptism. Many instances refer to Spiritual
baptism
>or
>> >> >>>>>immersion into something or someone's authority or leader****p.
>Some
>> >> >>>>>passages about baptism are particularly difficult to
understand...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I disagree. I find only one place where a new believer was not
>> >> >>>>baptized by immersion. That was the thief on the cross. He was
not
>> >> >>>>immersion baptized because he didn't have the op****tunity.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Every other INSTANCE of baptism indicates immersion, believer's
>> >> >>>>baptism.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>In the various DISCUSSIONS on baptism, the mode may not always
be
>> >> >>>>mentioned; however, that would certainly be a reasonable lapse,
>since
>> >> >>>>every instance of baptism MENTIONED is one of immersion.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I believe the strongest statements we have on immersion of
>believers
>> >> >>>>in the Bible is the immersion of our Lord Himself. With people
>> >> >>>>practicing various water rituals all over the land, the FACT
that
>> >> >>>>Jesus SOUGHT John out BECAUSE John was immersing people in
water
>deep
>> >> >>>>enough to submerge them
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>speaks volumes.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says
upon
>> >> >>>>being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to
another
>part
>> >> >>>>of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized
>(thereby
>> >> >>>>establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and
some
>form
>> >> >>>>of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in
this
>> >> >>>>simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that
same
>> >> >>>>mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
>> >> >>>>Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those
whom He
>> >> >>>>baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was
transferred
>> >> >>>>from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
>> >> >>>>refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>If there is POWER in Christianity (in following in His
footsteps at
>> >> >>>>EVERY POSSIBLE op****tunity) then I want to avail myself of
every
>bit
>> >> >>>>of the power that is available.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>And being immersed by one who has been immersed is such a
SIMPLE
>thing
>> >> >>>>to do.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>Common Water Baptism Fallacies
>> >> >>>>>Although many verses mention water baptism, none explicitly
>address
>> >> >>>>>its meaning.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Sure they do. "in baptism", Paul relates, "we are BURIED with
>Christ."
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Baptism then is intended to be a visual symbol of following Him
to
>> >> >>>>death, into the grave, and out again.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> If the traditional view of Paul's use in Romans 6:4 and
>> >> >>>>>Colossians 2:12 are argued as the meaning of water baptism,
then
>they
>> >> >>>>>are to be taken literally.7 This would join water baptism with
>> >> >>>>>salvation and upset sola gratia and sola fide so accurately
>explained
>> >> >>>>>and defended elsewhere in Scripture.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Not at all. A vital proof text that immersion believers'
baptism--
>> >> >>>>while a VITAL act of OBEDIENCE-- is not ESSENTIAL-- would be
the
>thief
>> >> >>>>on the cross.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Never immersed, he received the only "baptism" that is
REQUIRED. He
>> >> >>>>was baptized in the Holy Spirit the INSTANT he believed.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>You are babbling Roman Catholic NONSENSE that is utterly NOT
>> >> >>>>scriptural.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>John W this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>If your post is intended strictly for Roman Catholics (sure, it
is),
>> >> >>then why is it posted to the baptist group?
>> >> >
>> >> >Well it was and is intended for both groups.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Put your hate
>> >> >>>of all things Catholic aside.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I don't hate the Roman Catholic person; I hate the utter
perversion
>of
>> >> >>pure 1st Century New Testament Christianity (what the Christ and
the
>> >> >>12 left us) that the RCC represents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >Yawn..
>> >> >
>> >> >>It's as if God and Jesus made SO MANY MISTAKES that it's taken
the
>RCC
>> >> >>2,000 years to correct all God's errors!
>> >> >
>> >> >zzzzzzZZZZZZ
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>The "nonsense" is coming from this Baptist Church in Edmond
>Oklahoma.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>??
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'd find far less "nonsense" in a Baptist church that at least
>> >> >>ATTEMPTS to follow God's rule, than in an RCC "church" in which
man's
>> >> >>rule is the order of the day, and when one mention's all God's
laws
>> >> >>that are so DELIBERATELY VIOLATED and IGNORED, one gets a LONG
list
>of
>> >> >>excuses.
>> >> >Tell me what they are doing?
>> >>
>> >> You have lost me!
>> >>
>> >> You said that they did not require water baptism in order to become
a
>> >> member of their church.
>> >>
>> >> That is standard among MANY Baptist and other Christian
denominations.
>> >>
>> >> They are taking a vote on what Scripture
>> >> >means.
>> >>
>> >> I have NO issue with THAT statement as it stands.
>> >>
>> >> There are certainly those scriptures "Jesus rose bodily the 3rd
day",
>> >> "Christ is God in human form", "Christ died on the cross to redeem
>> >> mankind"
>> >>
>> >> that we must take literally, word-for-word.
>> >>
>> >> HOWEVER, there are CERTAINLY doctrines -- NOT THEOLOGY-- that are
>> >> debatable.
>> >
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine
>> >
>> >Doctrine, from Latin doctrina (compare doctor), means "a code of
>beliefs",
>> >"a body of teachings" or "instructions", taught principles or
positions,
>as
>> >the body of teachings in a branch of knowledge or belief system. The
>Greek
>> >analogy is the etymology of catechism.
>> >
>> >Often doctrine specifically connotes a corpus of religious dogma as
it is
>> >promulgated by a church ...
>> >
>> >Examples of religious doctrines include:
>> >
>> >Christian Trinity and virgin birth
>> >Roman Catholic transubstantiation and immaculate conception
>> >Pentecostal Jesus-Only doctrine
>> >Calvinist predestination
>> >Methodist Prevenient Grace
>> >Mormon doctrine of the Heavenly Mother
>> >
>> >The Trinity is debatable
>>
>> Not if you're a Christian, it's not!
>>
>> - see many Jehovah's Witness-related threads.
>>
>> And why on EARTH do you consider Jehovah's Witnesses "Christians?"
>> Last I was aware, the discussion was amongst CHRISTIANS. Jehovah's
>> Witnesses are NOT Christians.
>
>In other words, you've just admitted that it's debatable by debating it.
Oh, you DO LOVE to play games and you never give one inch!
I am not debating you! I informed you that you are incorrect in your
belief that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians!
Why can't you stay on topic?
Or do you PREFER being "cutesy?"
>
>> If you EXAMINED Jehovah's Witnesses "doctrine" (as you choose to
>> mis-label it), Jehovah's Witnesses not only reject the teaching
>> regarding the Trinity, they reject the teaching that Jesus Christ was
>> God/man. They teach that he was a created being, an ANGEL.
>>
>> NO matter what else you are confused about, if you reject the Deity of
>> the Lord Jesus Christ, you are "preaching another gospel."
>>
>> John 1, The Word WAS GOD, and The Word became flesh.
>>
>> >Transubstantiation is debatable - see your own statements.
>>
>> To YOU, transubstantiation is "debatable'. To me, it's not, as it's a
>> myth. Unnecessary "magic."
>
>In other words, you've just admitted that it's debatable by debating it.
I am not debating transubstantiation.
And I will leave you here.
AGAIN, you waste my time with "cutesy."
tsk tsk
I am trying to get into some SERIOUS discussion here. You prefer
trolling and playing patty cakes!
tsk
john w
>
>Why not call it a "mystical power" like baptism?
>
>> >Doctrine is not just practice - it's theological teaching as well.
>>
>> Fine! Suit yourself. There are enough IM****TANT things to
>> discuss/argue over without adding semantics.
>
>Like misunderstand people and not care.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:25:09 -0700, "Vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>
>"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:38:26 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700, jes in
>>>><1154539003.850438.84970@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Prophecy Predicts Unstable World
>>>>
>>>>Gee, that's like predicting the sun will rise in the East...
>>>
>>> Funny stuff!
>>>
>>> One would THINK that "as scientists continue to unlock all the
>>> mysteries of life, all the secrets of the origins of the universe",
as
>>> the
>>> computer and nano- and micro-technology continue to improve the lives
of
>>> so many, that our world would ever evolve into "Utopia."
>>
>> No, stupid, that's your strawman.
>>
>>> So how come the Nile virus, and HIV/AIDS and measles, and the Black
>>> Death,
>>> and the Bubonic Plague, and the chicken flu, and the flesh-eating
virus,
>>> etc., etc., etc.,
>>>
>>> in 2006 now threaten mankind with extinction
>>
>> Our species has been threatened with extinction for its entire
existence.
>> We almost went extinct at least once.
>>
>> It's just part of being alive. Every day, every human is "threatened"
with
>> death.
>>
>>> in the same way the 50 foot tall flesh-eating dinosaur threatened the
10
>>> foot tall dinosaur and the 4 foot tall "primitive man" ???
>>
>> Humans and dinosaurs existed millions of years apart dimwit. You've
been
>> watching Flintstones reruns again haven't you?
>>
>>> Doesn't seem that-- as man becomes more of a self-fulfilling god
with
>>> every passing day-- that he comes any closer to immortality than he
was
>>> 50,000 years ago!
>>
>> So what?
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