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Subject: Re: The Trinity is a fallacy
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:scivc293r50f5tl7utj7uc5lsi30bsnk1a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:28:58 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>
>>>"Peace Crusader" <acfernando@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:1154351436.139054.306910@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Dear John and my Fellowmen,
>>>>
>>>> john w wrote:
>>>>> I have not one single quibble with this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pax!
>>>>
>>>> My reply:
>>>> Thank you, John. I hope our fellowmen will accept that the spirit
in
>>>> us is neither male nor female. This spirit is the breath of life
that
>>>> God breathed into us to make our inanimate physical body (which came
>>>> from the soil, hence should go back to the soil) move. It is the
>>>> physical body that is either male or female.
>>>>
>>>> Since the spirit came from God, we are like God. That is our
likeness
>>>> of God -- as spirit.
>>>>
>>>> I heard and learned this from a spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy
Spirit,
>>>> if you will believe it, who we (plural) talk to and record on audio
>>>> tape our sessions with Him.
>>>>
>>>> The true God enlighten us, illuminate and guide us to the path of
>>>> justice, to the path of reason, in order that we will not go astray
now
>>>> and forever.
>>>>
>>>> Pax!
>>>
>>>Jesus Christ established a Church, and told His Apostles, "He who
hears
>>>you
>>>hears me."
>>
>> Take your Roman Catholic CRAP and go elsewhere with it, TROLL!
>>
>> The Roman Catholic group is
>>
>>
>> < ---------------------
>>
>> that way!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I don't remember Jesus saying anything about you.
>>
>> I see "John" in the New Testament. There's even a book with "John's"
>> name on it. (several, actually)
>>
>> What I DON'T see is the name "bam."
>
>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
smirk.
You are delusional!
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:27 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>>At least I know how to correct my typos, Elaine!
>
>
>It was not me you were replying to, moron.
The two of you act and talk so much alike, many of us believe the two
of you are one person!
Prove you're not!
idiot!
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Subject: Re: Peter Was NOT A Pope -- Please!
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>"john w" wrote in message news:o8hvc21bntbb3ab0coqeo7qooquc7hkml1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I know that the first thing Jesus will destroy when He returns is the
>> Vatican!
>
>
>"She shall be utterly burned with FIRE for strong is the Lord God who
> judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication
> and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her,
when
> they shall see the smoke of her burning." Rev 18:8,9
>
>
I see you have read that, too!
:-)
Now if we can just get you away from the Old LAW to the New Covenant!
:-)
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Subject: Re: Peter Was NOT A Pope -- Please!
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:19:01 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>>a pope is your cult's ELECTED LEADER- elected by a bunch of old
farts,
>>>>stodgy old growls who are in the so-called' college of cardinals' ---
>
>>>Yes, elected, just as Jesus said. Another will take his place.
>>>You don't even know what a Pope is, dummy doc.
>>I know there is no "pope' mentioned in the Bible.
>
>There was also no "apostle" mentioned in the bible.
You are MAD as a hatter!
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Subject: Re: "So Much For A Cease-Fire" 3 Raspberries 4 Hezbollah
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wrote:
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author
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:15:18 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:43:57 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2006 LIAR-Johnnie Weatherless; all rights not reserved; every
****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author, who's an idiot at best...
>
>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>heheheh~~~~~~~~~ nope! It be ARCHIVED!!
How very ADULT of you!
( Grow UP! )
>
>>>>And of course, Phar Lap, who knows all things, is now speaking from
>>>>authority as a Hezbollah fighter IN Lebanon, wearing a towel mask at
>>>>this very moment, lobbing rockets into Israel!
>>>>
>>>Well, well- You're the moron who keeps claiming that 'anyone in the
>>>armed forces is only in it because they can't make it in the real
>>>world' ---- so-- is fighting for one's country and the safety of
>>>their people cowardly now, weatherless, you miserable, old, lying
>>>pompous ASS?
>>
>>you stupid person, you!
>>
>>I say that to ridicule little Jimmy Col Agar!
>>
>OTC, old growl, you don't have a CLUE what you're saying, and my
>latest rebuff of your ridiculous comments proved that even more.
smirk. Don't think TOO highly of yourself! Last I heard, you still
work for a living! You're not smart enough to be retired WEALTHY!
smirk.
>
>>I have had good friends in the military!
>>
>So they 'couldn't make it in the real world' either, huh? ROTFL!
Elaine, your remarks are HARDLY rotfl funny!
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:05:45 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>>2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His followers.
>
>
>JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER.
John 3
JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the
Judean countryside,
where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was
plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized. 24
(This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument developed
between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of
ceremonial wa****ng.
26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with
you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you testified
about--well,
He is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
^ ^
>
>John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
CONTRADICTORY information. It MUST square with John 3.
And how many times do you plan on arguing about it?
Control FREAK!
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:17:31 -0500, Mike I
<hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:03:58 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:35:30 -0500, Mike I
>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>"cafeteria Baptist"...
>>no such thing
>Just a figure of speech.. when some one or group picks and chooses
>what doctrines they wish to follow that is what JW accused them of
>doing.
I've heard the term, "cafeteria Christian", but don't use it to refer
to ME! I TYPICALLY hear it used by Roman Catholics to refer to
everyone else! (the Non-Roman Catholics)
In other words, if you're not a Roman Catholic, and you claim to be a
Christian, then you're a "cafeteria Christian."
If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic
Immersion, believers' baptism (in the Bible)
don't believe in it
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ (John 3:16)
don't believe in it
Have NO other gods before me!
don't believe in it.
I could give you 50 - 75 examples without even trying!
"don't believe that!"
If ever there was a "cafeteria Christian", it's a Roman Catholic.
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:01:27 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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author
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:22:04 -0500, Mike I
><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>The "nonsense" is coming from this Baptist Church in Edmond Oklahoma.
>>In fact if you click on the links and read; you would have found that
>-----jealousy obvious
Good for you! THAT was an original comment!
;-)
chuckle.
At least you are quoting (stealing from) some VERY CLEVER people!
:-)
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:39:31 -0500, Mike I
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> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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author
>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:17:46 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:22:04 -0500, Mike I
>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:16:16 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:32:03 -0500, Mike I
>>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>>author
>>>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:21 -0500, Mike I
>>>>><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since this topic was recently discussed in these NG's. I thought I
>>>>>>would bring this to your attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It appears the discussion of immersion is on going even among
Baptist.
>>>>>>Oklahoma's biggest Baptist church in Edmond Oklahoma has raised the
>>>>>>question. For the record they did postpone the vote to give others
a
>>>>>>chance to speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
>>>>>>Jul 24, 2006
>>>>>>By Staff
>>>>>>Baptist Press
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--In three services over the weekend of July 29-
30,
>>>>>>members of Henderson Hills Baptist Church in Edmond, Okla., will
vote
>>>>>>on a proposal to eliminate baptism as a requirement for church
>>>>>>member****p. Announcement of the vote has sparked a flurry of debate
-–
>>>>>>a discussion reflected on the pages of The Baptist Messenger, news
>>>>>>journal of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a column published on the news journal’s website,
>>>>>>www.baptistmessenger.com, Henderson Hills pastor Dennis Newkirk
>>>>>>explains that, while the congregation’s elder council believes “the
>>>>>>New Testament commands every believer to be baptized by immersion,
>>>>>>subsequent to salvation,” they are questioning whether baptism
should
>>>>>>be required “as an initiatory rite of church member****p.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The proposal, Newkirk writes, “is not intended to excuse people
from
>>>>>>the sin of refusing baptism. Instead, our concern is for Christians
in
>>>>>>two categories, those who physically cannot experience immersion
due
>>>>>>to a disability, and for those who are under the mistaken
conviction
>>>>>>that sprinkling is baptism.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like many Southern Baptist churches, Henderson Hills deals with
people
>>>>>>who would like to join but are members of churches that sprinkle
>>>>>>infants, rather than immersing individuals who have consciously
chosen
>>>>>>to follow Christ. The vast majority of Southern Baptist churches
would
>>>>>>require such inquirers to offer evidence of salvation and submit to
>>>>>>baptism by immersion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Although Newkirk’s column says that “in 31 years of ministry, I
have
>>>>>>never met a believer who adamantly refused baptism,” he argues that
>>>>>>the requirement of rebaptism is an obstacle to ministering to such
>>>>>>people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>“We often sacrifice our op****tunity to teach and influence those
>>>>>>mistaken Christians by rejecting them or we unintentionally promote
an
>>>>>>unbiblical motive for baptism, making it little more than a rite of
>>>>>>initiation into church member****p,” Newkirk writes. “Why not allow
>>>>>>them the blessings, responsibilities and protection of church
>>>>>>member****p, and then teach, pray, and influence them towards
biblical
>>>>>>baptism?”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The proposal coming before the congregation would strike the
phrase,
>>>>>>“has been scripturally baptized,” from a church bylaw that
currently
>>>>>>reads, in part: “Member****p will be granted to anyone who offers a
>>>>>>biblical testimony of salvation, has been scripturally baptized and
>>>>>>agrees to accept the responsibilities of member****p.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can read the rest of the story at:
>>>>>>http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23674
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/282006h.asp
>>>>>>http://www.newsok.com/article/2822312
>>>>>>http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9581346/detail.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me add one more site they have a PDF file online the explains
>>>>>there concerns.
>>>>>http://www.hhbc.com/Websites/25/Files/Biblical%20Material%20Sub-
Team%20Re****t.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>I just skimmed the do***ent and found these lines interesting:
>>>>>
>>>>>Every instance of baptism in the New Testament does not necessarily
>>>>>refer to water baptism. Many instances refer to Spiritual baptism or
>>>>>immersion into something or someone’s authority or leader****p. Some
>>>>>passages about baptism are particularly difficult to understand...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I disagree. I find only one place where a new believer was not
>>>>baptized by immersion. That was the thief on the cross. He was not
>>>>immersion baptized because he didn't have the op****tunity.
>>>>
>>>>Every other INSTANCE of baptism indicates immersion, believer's
>>>>baptism.
>>>>
>>>>In the various DISCUSSIONS on baptism, the mode may not always be
>>>>mentioned; however, that would certainly be a reasonable lapse, since
>>>>every instance of baptism MENTIONED is one of immersion.
>>>>
>>>>I believe the strongest statements we have on immersion of believers
>>>>in the Bible is the immersion of our Lord Himself. With people
>>>>practicing various water rituals all over the land, the FACT that
>>>>Jesus SOUGHT John out BECAUSE John was immersing people in water deep
>>>>enough to submerge them
>>>>
>>>>speaks volumes.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says upon
>>>>being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to another part
>>>>of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized
(thereby
>>>>establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and some
form
>>>>of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in this
>>>>simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that same
>>>>mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
>>>>Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those whom He
>>>>baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was transferred
>>>>from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
>>>>
>>>>Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
>>>>refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If there is POWER in Christianity (in following in His footsteps at
>>>>EVERY POSSIBLE op****tunity) then I want to avail myself of every bit
>>>>of the power that is available.
>>>>
>>>>And being immersed by one who has been immersed is such a SIMPLE
thing
>>>>to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>Common Water Baptism Fallacies
>>>>>Although many verses mention water baptism, none explicitly address
>>>>>its meaning.
>>>>
>>>>Sure they do. "in baptism", Paul relates, "we are BURIED with
Christ."
>>>>
>>>>Baptism then is intended to be a visual symbol of following Him to
>>>>death, into the grave, and out again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the traditional view of Paul’s use in Romans 6:4 and
>>>>>Colossians 2:12 are argued as the meaning of water baptism, then
they
>>>>>are to be taken literally.7 This would join water baptism with
>>>>>salvation and upset sola gratia and sola fide so accurately
explained
>>>>>and defended elsewhere in Scripture.
>>>>
>>>>Not at all. A vital proof text that immersion believers' baptism--
>>>>while a VITAL act of OBEDIENCE-- is not ESSENTIAL-- would be the
thief
>>>>on the cross.
>>>>
>>>>Never immersed, he received the only "baptism" that is REQUIRED. He
>>>>was baptized in the Holy Spirit the INSTANT he believed.
>>>>
>>>>You are babbling Roman Catholic NONSENSE that is utterly NOT
>>>>scriptural.
>>>
>>>John W this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church..
>>
>>If your post is intended strictly for Roman Catholics (sure, it is),
>>then why is it posted to the baptist group?
>
>Well it was and is intended for both groups.
>>
>>
>> Put your hate
>>>of all things Catholic aside.
>>
>>I don't hate the Roman Catholic person; I hate the utter perversion of
>>pure 1st Century New Testament Christianity (what the Christ and the
>>12 left us) that the RCC represents.
>>
>Yawn..
>
>>It's as if God and Jesus made SO MANY MISTAKES that it's taken the RCC
>>2,000 years to correct all God's errors!
>
>zzzzzzZZZZZZ
>>
>>>
>>>The "nonsense" is coming from this Baptist Church in Edmond Oklahoma.
>>
>>??
>>
>>I'd find far less "nonsense" in a Baptist church that at least
>>ATTEMPTS to follow God's rule, than in an RCC "church" in which man's
>>rule is the order of the day, and when one mention's all God's laws
>>that are so DELIBERATELY VIOLATED and IGNORED, one gets a LONG list of
>>excuses.
>Tell me what they are doing?
You have lost me!
You said that they did not require water baptism in order to become a
member of their church.
That is standard among MANY Baptist and other Christian denominations.
They are taking a vote on what Scripture
>means.
I have NO issue with THAT statement as it stands.
There are certainly those scriptures "Jesus rose bodily the 3rd day",
"Christ is God in human form", "Christ died on the cross to redeem
mankind"
that we must take literally, word-for-word.
HOWEVER, there are CERTAINLY doctrines -- NOT THEOLOGY-- that are
debatable.
In order to maintain "church unity" within an independent church, the
members WISELY vote to decide, "our church of 500 members will teach
THIS about THAT."
those who cannot agree to abide by that teaching (in THIS church, we
will teach and preach ONLY from the New International Version of the
Bible)
are encouraged to wor****p ELSEWHERE in the interests of UNITY.
Surely a Roman Catholic can UNDERSTAND the need for UNITY.
Doctrine by committee
ABSOLUTELY.
Paul said, Let each of you be convinced in your own mind!
He also said, "regarding feasts, holidays, Sabbaths, food, drink"
(doctrine), 'don't argue."
Thanks be to God that He has died to set us FREE from the tyranny of
someone else telling us what we MUST believe!
And there are enough different denominations that we are CERTAIN to
find others who ALSO eat steak (non-vegetarians), those who read the
NIV (some churches ONLY use the KJV), etc.
YOU of course, prefer a "church" where all 750 MILLION of you MUST
march in LOCK step. There can be NO "individual thinking".
What if you're ALL W R O N G ??
>:-(
"No thank you!"
and it disagrees with your view of
>Scripture again I ask you who has the truth you or them?.
There is enough truth to go around!
Do you TRULY believe that God is SO concerned with which day we
wor****p that He'd cast me into hell for wor****pping on Monday because
I had to work Sunday?
Probably, YOU do!
(I don't)
>
>>
>>
>>>In fact if you click on the links and read; you would have found that
>>>they saying "water" Baptism isn't required to be a member of "the
>>>Church"
>>
>>It isn't.
>>
>>SOME churches require immersion baptism, others do not. I have joined
>>numerous churches, Baptist and a couple that were not Baptist, that
>>accepted me as a full member on what is called one's "statement of
>>faith," and assurance that one "has been immersion baptized as a
>>believer" in one's past.
>>
>>There is no scriptural justification for requiring one to be
>>"re-baptized" if one was immersed as a believer in one's past.
>
>But there is the rub, they are talking about people who can not be
>immersed for whatever reason. Do they have to be immersed to be
>Christian?
Read my lips. "No!"
The thief on the cross was NEVER water baptized by ANY form!
But he's in heaven! He received the ONLY BAPTISM that was required
(Holy Spirit baptism)
>
>>
>>There is also--in many Baptist churches-- no REQUIREMENT that one who
>>was SPRINKLED as a believer (as Lutherans do it, and Methodists) must
>>be IMMERSED to join.
>
>Apparently there is in this Baptist Church, so which one is right
>there J.W.
I just got done saying, that I have belonged to a number of BAPTIST
churches that did NOT REQUIRE immersion baptism for member****p.
I believe the only stipulation (and that would be up to the church)
would be that if you don't choose to be water baptized (immersed) you
can not serve as an elder.
It would seem that even among Baptist there is no true
>teaching on immersion,
AGAIN, the teaching on DOCTRINE (practice) is up to each church to
decide. There is no Vatican or pope in the Methodist church, so each
Methodist church's members (like Baptists) decides for themselves.
"In THIS Methodist church, we have a motion that we should hold
Thursday evening services, since half our members work over at Glory
Mines, and they all work on Sunday, and their only day off is
Thursday.
"All in favor, say "I".
There are 573 "I"s, and no "Nays!"
motion carries!
it is what John says it is in OKC and over
I detect your URGENT desire to insult me.
?????
>there in Wa****ng ion it is what Jane says something else.. How can
>both be correct?
Already explained that. You have evidently missed Paul's explanation:
"Let each of you be convinced in his own mind."
You can observe holidays, or you can ignore them. You can observe the
feasts, or you can ignore them. You can be a vegetarian, or you can
eat steak.
You can wor****p on Sabbath, Sunday, or every other Tuesday.
Believe it or not, there is not one set of Doctrine for us all!
And- I sense that you just want to argue.
:-(
>
>>
>>Those churches ENCOURAGE immersion baptism, but wisely, leave it to
>>the conscience of the believer.
>>
>>In my own home church, the one I was born into-- Metropolitan Baptist
>>(Southern) in Wa****ngton, D.C., we had a woman come forward when I was
>>a teenager, who had been a member (and deaconess, if I recall) in good
>>standing for some 30 years (?), who finally confessed that she had
>>never been "immersion baptized", and "it was time."
>
>Wonderful.. I'm surprised that a "deaconess" was never baptized.
Christians and Baptists specifically are probably MUCH more tolerant
of "differences" that don't matter than are Roman Catholics.
>>
>>>
>>>Your argument is with the Baptist in Edmond not me or the Catholic
>>>Church.
>>
>>I'll pick my arguments, thanks!
>
>True but you see your comments were directed at the Catholic Church
>when the Catholic Church had nothing to do with the issue.
In your opinion.
IN my opinion (which I just expressed) you REPEATEDLY attacked my
beliefs. I responded in kind.
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On 1 Aug 2006 18:43:29 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
>> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>> >"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>> >Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>> >passage, you don't see it.
>>
>>
>> What part of SYMBOLIC don't you understand?
>
>Jesus made it very clear that He meant what He said,
>"This IS My Body."
Actually, He didn't!
Because, AFTER He SAID, "This is my body, this is my blood", He THEN
said, "so every time you eat this BREAD, and drink this CUP..."
meaning, you believe what you WANT to believe, and what you are TOLD
to believe!
I could list a DOZEN things He said and MEANT, but you IGNORE those
things!
Why?
And, I continue to have a question, which ALL Roman Catholics AVOID.
If He TRULY wanted us to eat His flesh, and drink His actual blood,
why didn't He rip an arm off, roast it, feed it to the apostles, and
grow a new one?
Maybe He couldn't!
Why didn't He use a sharp rock to open a vein, and give them His
ACTUAL BLOOD?
Why was He reduced to MAGIC?
Makes NO sense!
;-)
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Subject: Re: Was Peter the first "Pope"=YES
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On 1 Aug 2006 18:41:02 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
>> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >That turn is the Catholic Church, and if you call God the wrong
>> >turn, that is very sad.
>>
>>
>> The romanist CULT is NOT the Church founded by Jesus,
>
>Hey, the Catholic church was established by Jesus, most
>everyone knows that...Duh.
You speak ONLY for Roman Catholics,
Duh!
Kindly take your proselytizing back to the Catholic group.
It went
< -------------------------------
that away!
:-)
(glad I could help)
>
>> and if you still
>> imagine it is, then post this crap to your romanist group, and leave
>> the CHRISTIAN groups out of it.
>
>Catholics were and still are the 1st Christians.
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Was Peter the first "Pope"=YES
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On 1 Aug 2006 15:17:04 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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author
>
>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 1 Aug 2006 07:20:23 -0700, "God established the Catholic Church for
>> All" <catholic_gods_church@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >
>> >rodney_victor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> >> > 1. Protest_ants are very foolish. Why does one need to be
physically in Rome
>> >> > to be Bishop of Rome in 33AD or thereabouts.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. Biblical scholar research confirms Peter was in Rome.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know exactly how to interpret the above statements.
Probably
>> >> the writer is a Jesuit.
>> >
>> >God revealed His Catholic Church for the world, not
>> >only for Jesuits. Peter is part of the biblical truth.
>>
>> Ummmmmmmm.... I believe you're lost. Probably a wrong turn somewhere
>
>
>That turn is the Catholic Church, and if you call God the wrong
>turn, that is very sad.
>
>> >> He is saying anything to try and confuse the
>> >> people.
>> >
>> >One doesn't have to be a Jesuit to read the Bible
>> >to know the truth, which is that God established the
>> >Catholic church.
>>
>> lol!!
>> rotfl!!
>>
>> you crack me up!
>>
>> I have read the New Testament at least 10 times so far,
>
>You have also missed the part where Jesus said,
>"This is My Body, This Is My Blood, Do this.."
>Couldn't be any clearer, but yet when You read that
>passage, you don't see it.
I have explained THIS one a gazillion times.
Sincere Bible students (which leaves YOU out), don't point at one text
and say, "SEE?"
Because they EMBARRASS themselves!
If you are going to understand THAT passage, Mr Roman Catholic, you
must study the SYMBOLISM used for the same feast (the Paschal feast)
in the OLD Testament!
;-)
>
>
>> and not one
>> single mention of "the Roman Catholic Church." Not one single mention
>> of "the Catholic Church." Not even one frikkin' mention of "the
>> catholic church."
>
>Catholic is an English word meaning universal.
Fine! So now you will have to show me "the Universal Church" in the
New Testament. That isn't there, either!
Next excuse!
.......
............
>
>> >>
>> >> This post proves that Peter was NEVER in Rome, so to say that
"Biblical
>> >> scholar research confirms Peter was in Rome" is nonsense.
>> >
>> >The post is correct, non Catholic research also confirms
>> >Peter was in Rome.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Rodney
>> >> Jesus is coming again very soon, so we had all better know what our
>> >> Bibles say.
>> >
>> >On that we agree, however you turn your back on the truth
>> >of the Catholic Church which is in the Bible,
>>
>> You are obviously not a Bible reader. Peter was indeed in Rome! In
PRISON!
>
>He was put in prison for preaching about Jesus Christ.
Peter went to Rome to preach the gospel. The Romans ( Roman Catholics
of HIS day) put him in prison, then executed him!
Those Roman Catholics of Pete's day were VERY impressed!
;-)
>
>>
>> The Catholics loved him SO MUCH they put him in PRISON, then EXECUTED
>> him!
>
>It was the Romans were killing the Catholic Christians at that time.
smirk.
At least those are the lies your "church" (read "cult") tells you. I
can't find ANY of that in MY Bible.
Perhaps you'll give the reference.
(likely you won't)
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:12:53 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:46:40 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>!
>======================================crap flushed
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WHAT "crap?"
I don't see any "crap?"
lol!!
Rotfl!!
You must have flushed YOUR "crap!"
;-)
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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>Rod wrote:
>> On 29-Jul-2006, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>spoke....:
>>
>>> Oh! My gosh!
>>> Wow!
>>> I read this just for curiosity sake! Rod, I hope you take this as
>>> intended!
>>>
>>> I have seen a new side to you, and we are-- at this place -- in
>>> ABSOLUTE agreement!
>>
>> I do see things your way in many areas. We are notr that far apart
>> on issues.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have had to tell any number of people these past 20 years. My very
>>> [ legal ] lifestyle was outlawed some 15 years ago. One day I was a
>>> law-abiding citizen (I won't go into detail), the next I woke up, and
>>> new laws had been signed, and NOTHING IN MY BEHAVIOR HAD CHANGED, but
>>> OVERNIGHT, I had become a criminal!
>
>What laws would those be?
I explained that, Mike. MANY times. But JUST FOR YOU, I'll explain it
once again. (not that you'll believe me. And RATHER than you just
going and CHECKING on the web, you'll call me -- and Rod -- "liars".)
Because that's the sort YOU are.
When Clinton first took office, there was a law pending. It was so
unconstitutional that George the Ist refused to sign it. It was a law
that outlawed handgun owner****p to law abiding citizens who had been
convicted of ANY form of "domestic violence." Some dubbed it "the
Domestic Violence" clause.
Clinton and other Lefties had been pu****ng restricting gun owner****p
for YEARS. This was the "bone" the Right threw them to "shut them up."
But George the Ist refused to sign it.
So -- illegal procedure-- it "went back to committee", to be ILLEGALLY
held in Congress (they can't do that) until a "New President"
(hopefully) took office. (I know because I watched this CAREFULLY.
Evidently, YOU did NOT!)
One of Clinton's campaign promises was that-- should he be elected,
he'd sign the Partial Birth Abortion bill into law. The bill would
allow a woman to GIVE BIRTH to a healthy child (how the bill is
actually worded allows this), and then kill it.
He promised that-- should he be elected, he would legalize homo***uals
in the military. He promised that he'd "find a way." (he did)
He promised also that-- should he be elected, he would SIGN the
"domestic violence anti-gun bill" that the Congress was holding "in
committee" just WAITING for a Liberal Democrat President.
I BELIEVE the first bill he signed was the Domestic Violence bill
(could be wrong on that).
But he signed it. And just before he did, SOMEONE noticed ( if you
were honest, you'd remember. If you don't, ask one of your cop
friends)
someone noticed that the new "Domestic Violence Anti-handgun bill"
would DISARM some 20 % of our nation's law enforcement AND soldiers!
So many of both have been CONVICTED of "Domestic Violence", which in
MY state, includes "arguing with your partner."
The law in Wa****ngton reads to the effect "IF a person (man) acts in a
way that they frighten their partner (female), they have committed
Domestic Violence."
An argument qualifies.
And if you argue with your partner, according to how Wa****ngton state
interprets the Federal Domestic Violence law, you lose your right to
own a handgun.
I know I am not mis-interpreting because of folk like Rod. It has
not just happened to me.
And there does NOT "have to be MORE than that to it."
You want to explain my situation away because the Truth is FAR TOO
SCARY! Congress has RUN AMUK!
john w
>>>
>>> And so now, as of this date, I am an outlaw!
>
>If you disobey a law then you are indeed an outlaw.
NOT if the law was changed AFTER the fact!
I had not broken any law on Saturday. But a law was signed on Monday
that outlawed my behavior on Friday!
I had an argument with my wife on Friday. On Monday night, Congress
signed the "Domestic Violence anti-gun bill", and Clinton passed it.
I woke up on Tuesday a criminal because Congress and Clinton made the
law RETROACTIVE INFINTELY. That is, if I had an argument with my wife
10 YEARS ago, I had still broken the new law!
That is UnConstitutional! It VIOLATES the "double-jeopardy" clause.
IF I was not guilty on Saturday or Sunday, I was not guilty on Monday,
Tuesday, or Wednesday.
The law was UNCONSTITUTIONALLY made INFINITELY RETROACTIVE, thereby
violating the "double-jeopardy" clause.
And-- once again-- you feel quite free to speak with TOTAL authority
on issues where you have NO knowledge.
One thing of which you seem UTTERLY unware (for a supposedly educated
"former cop") is that one of the COMPLAINTS about the Domestic
Violence/handgun laws is how very DIFFERENTLY they're INTERPRETED by
the 50 states!
For instance, I likely could own 10 pistols and 10 shotguns in Rhode
Island or in Idaho.
Not in Wa****ngton!
In fact, the DA explained to me,
"Mr Weatherly, we're going to prosecute you TO THE HILT
SO THAT YOU DON'T EVER COMMIT a crime!"
And if you DO ever break a law, it'll even be worse!"
I thought I was in the Twilight Zone!
So, you SUSPECT that farmer Jones is GOING to steal Farmer Brown's
prize cow.
You ARREST farmer Jones AHEAD of time, to PREVENT him from what you
SUSPECT he's ABOUT to do!
( I don't think so, but in Wa****ngton, it happens every day!)
>
>>>
>>> And I will be until they come and arrest me!
>
>You will continue to be one until acquited or finish your sentence and
stop
>doing what is illegal.
AGAIN, you are QUITE willing to talk about things about which you know
nothing.
>>>
>>> The FACT is that the local authorities know who I am, and they could
>>> not care LESS! So long as I don't bother anyone (I never have), I am
>>> left be!
>>>
>>> However, that could change. And when the time comes, and I have some
>>> real $$$$, I will begin VIGOROUSLY FIGHTING a dozen laws!
>>>
>>> ONE for example. The first month William J Clinton was in office as
>>> President, he signed into law an unconstitutional bill against gun
>>> owner****p. That unconstitutional bill turned ME into an outlaw.
>>> Overnight. The day BEFORE, I was a legal gun owner. The next morning,
>>> it was illegal for me to own a gun! I had done NOTHING different
>>> overnight!
>Neither had the pot smokers before marijuana became illegal.
I notice you were only too happy to switch topics!
>
>>
>> My self as well John. I have an ex wife in Oklahoma that hated
>> being\ married to a truck driver, yet she loved spending the money
>> I made. In any case she found herself the local bar and a
>> boyfriend. In the divorce proceedings she was granted a restraining
>> order due to me making an attempt to get more of my belongings than
>> simply my clothes, and thusly losing my right to own a handgun in
>> the process.
>
>I know of no states where owning a handgun is illegal unless you are a
>felon.
Then you are admitting that you don't know, but you are HAPPY to
comment anyway.
My "crime", an argument with my wife" ( a misdemeanor known as
"verbal assault) with a "threatening gesture" thrown in.
>If you are a felon, then there is more to the story than just an attempt
to
>retrieve more of "your" belongings.
THERE you go! You just LOVE to EMBELLISH! Don't you? ;-)
(In California anything acquired after
>marriage is community property, it does not belong to the individual)
You forget "prenuptials".
>
>The divorce proceding would return what was your property before the
>marriage.
"Not necessarily."
In MY case, she stole 95 % of my stuff. Because I was accused of a
"threatening gesture" I was a criminal guilty of "domestic violence."
In which case, my punishment was that the "personal property" that was
mine BEFORE the marriage was cancelled, and everything I owned
"before" became hers.
Thousands of dollars of PROPERTY and thousands in MONEY became hers
when the judge declared "everything in Ms Weatherly's possession is of
this date HERS! Everything in Mr Weatherly's possession is of this
date HIS! "
Which meant, I got NOTHING I didn't already have. All my stuff she
held onto became legally hers.
>
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:22:08 -0700, Dave <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>
>[Snip]
>
>>>>> If you are going to attempt to insult me (smirk)
>>>>>
>>>>> you might at LEAST try to be a LITTLE original.
>>>>
>>>> HYPOCRITE! You have been using reruns over and over lately. We
>>>> deserve better quality sarcastic one liners. We expect better from
>>>> you.
>>
>>>And poor stupid wants people to think of him a wordsmith! Everyone
>>>thinks him the Baptist buffoon at best...
>>
>> There the drooling village idiot goes, pretending he speaks for the
>> entire population of the planet again!
>
>And how often does Weatherly do that, when he claims that the words of
>others are of no interest to any but those specific among the others
whom
>he berates? I guess we have a pretty clear example--another one,
>actually--of rather flagrant hypocrisy.
>
>> You're only in the military, LOSER, because you don't have the BRAIN
>> to make it in the REAL world!
>
>So let me see if I understand this correctly: Weatherly, whom could
never
>qualify to get into the military, based on what I have been reading,
would
>berate someone for being in the military, and declare that person a
>"loser?"
Oh, Dave! Dave! Dave! The one who has YET to prove there's even a
BRAIN in his empty skull!
You just don't get it!
tsk tsk
And I DID serve, Dave. If it's any of your business, which it's not!
I am NOT putting down the military, David. I have friends in the
military. For those who choose to serve, it's a noble calling!
I am putting down PEOPLE, not the military!
So you can put your "self-righteous indignation" away.
And for any military OTHER than crawls and ujb (Jim Agar)
any military who I have been offending, any who actually have taken my
remarks LITERALLY
(God only knows why)
I hereby PUBLICLY apologize!
Those who have actually BOTHERED to get to know me PERSONALLY
know I have only the highest respect for the military.
And, YOU, Dave, if you'd just pull your head out. IF you did a little
research before you shoot your mouth off,
it's pretty easy to find out (as others have), that I DID serve.
:-)
>
>Perhaps Weatherly feels that the blood of the thousands, the same blood
that
>gave and then sustained his rights, was the blood of "losers."
>
>I could, of course, get into the fact that there are many military
>careerists whom have gone on to very successful "REAL world" careers,
Very true. Two for whom I have the ULTIMATE respect are
General Colin Powell. And General Norman Schwarzkopf
(both dedicated CHRISTIANS, I might point out)
Col Jim Irwin was a Gemini Astronaut, as I recall.
A friend of mine, a Col in the Air Force, was involved in the
Manhattan Project.
I could go on.
as
>well as the millions who served and also had successful careers. And
how
>far back do we need to go to show the successful careers that occurred
>within the service? How many should we cite?
AGAIN, to any but Dave or crawls or Jimmy, I apologize.
But then, no one but Dave or crawls or Jimmy has taken me literally.
That must tell you all something!
>
>The military is a reflection of the society that it represents, and
there
>are winners and losers in the military, just as there are in the "REAL
>world." Weatherly is free to make all of the unChristian comments that
he
>wishes, and in so doing, besmirch an entire profession, but that doesn't
>make his arguments. It does nothing more than show that Weatherly's
>failures extend across-the-board.
>
>> You know it, we ALL know it!
>
>Weatherly again decided what we "ALL" know, in hypocritical fa****on.
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:04:44 -0700
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:10:21 -0700, Dave <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 29 Jul 2006 08:35:42 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>john w wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On 28 Jul 2006 18:20:54 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>> >john w wrote:
>>>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> >> On 28 Jul 2006 07:07:32 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>> >> author
>>>> >> >john w wrote:
>>>> >> >> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> >> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:49:27 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> >> >> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> >> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this
>>>> >> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>>>> >> >> the author
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> >> >> >snip
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Having been in the position of the employer interviewing on
>>>> >> >> >> many an occasion
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Oh boy. Making up some more imaginary jobs you've held, huh?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Sorry! Explain once again how that's any of your business!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Weatherly just never seems to get Usenet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hey, Dave!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Why don't you go get that blow up doll you just bought, find a
nice
>>>> >> quiet place, and have *** with yourself?
>>>> >
>>>> >So this self-styled wordsmith
>>>
>>>Snipped away that I exposed his lie.
>>
>> lol!
>>
>> Not only are you a pathological liar...
Wow! I have SUCH A FAN CLUB!
I am humbled!
>
>Weatherly
john w
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>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:03:44 -0700
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:34:45 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
> >>
>>> I read what you wrote below. It sup****ts the idea that people might
>>> pay you to not be an editor.
>>
>> As if that absurd crack hasn't been used 1,000 times before you by 100
>> others!
>>
>> If you are going to attempt to insult me (smirk)
>>
>> you might at LEAST try to be a LITTLE original.
>>
>> Maybe you can't!
>>
>> Maybe just maybe there aren't enough gray cells left in your hollow
>> skull to form one intelligent thought!
>>
>> (you haven't formed one SO far)
>>
>> Nor do I need to prove my writing skills.
>
>No more than any other claims you make.
>But when you claim one thing and do another
tsk tsk
David! / Mike!
( I use both, because you're so interchangeable, you might as well be
the same idiot using two nyms.)
You keep missing the point that when you START with 15 lies, and 25
insults, I cut you off!
As a buddy said, START with the INFORMATION at the TOP, and then SNIP
the insults and lies!
;-)
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:20:37 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:43:52 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Just think! So far, I've made FAR more money with my art (writing,
>>etc) in my lifetime, than Van Gogh did in his!
>
>
>Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the insanity!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!
Now psycho ***** is actually pretending to know how much MONEY I've
earned in my lifetime!
Scary stuff! She admits almost DAILY that she's stalking me, digging
up THIS information, digging up THAT information!
(that's illegal, Elaine)
but, you knew that!
(and on the chance you don't know it's illegal, you'll find out!
;-)
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>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:00:04 -0700
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On 29 Jul 2006 08:11:30 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>
>[Snip]
>
>> >>> Gosh jw plays editor
>> >>
>> >> Yep!
>> >> In fact, there was a time I did it professionally, and made a lot
of
>> >> money! Likely a LOT more than you ever did!
>> >
>> >I read what you wrote below. It sup****ts the idea that people might
pay you
>> >to not be an editor.
>>
>> As if that absurd crack hasn't been used 1,000 times before you by 100
>> others!
>
>Unlike Weatherly's constantly repeated, absurd cracks...I guess those
>are okay.
>
>> If you are going to attempt to insult me (smirk)
>
>There was no attempt. Weatherly was insulted, and with good reason.
>
>> you might at LEAST try to be a LITTLE original.
>>
>> Maybe you can't!
>>
>> Maybe just maybe there aren't enough gray cells left in your hollow
>> skull to form one intelligent thought!
>
>Hey! Who's surprised that Weatherly decided to attack the intelligence
lol!!
What "intelligence?"
I was pointing out that there doesn't seem to be any!
BOY, you are stupid!
I didn't "critique what was said"
because you said nothing worthy of "critique."
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>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:57:48 -0700
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:53:08 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>When I choose to do so, I can be VERY original.
>
>
>It's never happened yet, and I'm willing to take BETS that it never
>will, liar-johnnie...
"What a SNAPPY comeback!"
lol
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>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:35:17 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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author
>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:35:47 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:54:42 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're only in the military, LOSER, because you don't have the BRAIN
>>>> to make it in the REAL world!
>>>
>>>
>>> An other insane comment made by the resident dolt of Usenet!
>>
>>Poor stupid seems to forget I know all!
>>ujb
You, Jimmy, forget that I discovered the military connection!
;-)
>
>But he also seems to forget-- oh, never mind!!! :o)
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.religion.christian.baptist,free.christians
Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:55:29 -0700
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:41:39 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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author
>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:22:08 -0700, Dave <dave@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>john w wrote:
>>
>>[Snip]
>>
>>>>>> If you are going to attempt to insult me (smirk)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you might at LEAST try to be a LITTLE original.
>>>>>
>>>>> HYPOCRITE! You have been using reruns over and over lately. We
>>>>> deserve better quality sarcastic one liners. We expect better from
>>>>> you.
>>>
>>>>And poor stupid wants people to think of him a wordsmith! Everyone
>>>>thinks him the Baptist buffoon at best...
>>>
>>> There the drooling village idiot goes, pretending he speaks for the
>>> entire population of the planet again!
>>
>>And how often does Weatherly do that, when he claims that the words of
>>others are of no interest to any but those specific among the others
whom
>>he berates? I guess we have a pretty clear example--another one,
>>actually--of rather flagrant hypocrisy.
>>
>>> You're only in the military, LOSER, because you don't have the BRAIN
>>> to make it in the REAL world!
>>
>>So let me see if I understand this correctly: Weatherly, whom could
never
>>qualify to get into the military, based on what I have been reading,
would
>>berate someone for being in the military, and declare that person a
>>"loser?"
>>
>>Perhaps Weatherly feels that the blood of the thousands, the same blood
that
>>gave and then sustained his rights, was the blood of "losers."
>>
>>I could, of course, get into the fact that there are many military
>>careerists whom have gone on to very successful "REAL world" careers,
as
>>well as the millions who served and also had successful careers. And
how
>>far back do we need to go to show the successful careers that occurred
>>within the service? How many should we cite?
>>
>>The military is a reflection of the society that it represents, and
there
>>are winners and losers in the military, just as there are in the "REAL
>>world." Weatherly is free to make all of the unChristian comments that
he
>>wishes, and in so doing, besmirch an entire profession, but that
doesn't
>>make his arguments. It does nothing more than show that Weatherly's
>>failures extend across-the-board.
>>
>>> You know it, we ALL know it!
>>
>>Weatherly again decided what we "ALL" know, in hypocritical fa****on.
>
>
>Indeed, my good friend Mork entered the military nearly two years ago
>0 at least he's serving his country -- a lot more than that low-lifing
>scuzball weatherless ever did .
Once again, Elaine, you are a God damned liar!
but, you know that!
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: How can a god have a son?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:29:08 -0700
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>
><walksalone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> First of all, they are not the words of one Jesus of Nazareth for such
a
>> person has never been known to exist historically. It has that in
common
>> with the other pigments of the imagination of humanity. However,
there is
>> writing such as you describe but it is not attributed to one Jesus the
>> Christ. Here is the information.
>
>> Apparently you are one pathetic grimorie student, is much as you we
>> confuse the words of your master with the words of somebody who
supposedly
>> record those words.
>
>> which wannabe this time jw, the genuine imitation generic artificial
>> angling to prove it scholar of the xian & grimoires? After all, and
this
>> requires a least 100 versions of its grimorie, and it is still based
on
>> hype.
>
>Not that I disagree with your comments regarding the fact that nothing
>in the Bible is truly the words of the teacher known as Jeshua bin
Joseph,
>but 'grimorie' isn't a word in any dictionary that I can research, and
Xian is
>only listed as a city in China.
>
>Grimoire, however, is a manual for evoking black magic, which I think
>even the worst of Biblical interpretation is not.
>
>Can you clarify?
>
>
To clarify, the one who calls himself 'walksalone", (who I lovingly
redubbed "crawls") is an atheist who HATES Christianity, Christians,
the Bible, God, Jesus, and all related issues and topics.
He has been sitting in the Baptist group hurling insults at everything
that moves for 6 years now, or longer.
He truly is a bore.
And an attention whore.
And -- in general -- a truly pathetic, psychotic person.
And-- thanks so much for asking!
:-)
john w
>
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: How can a god have a son?
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>In <GqJzg.4093$cj7.2303@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, on 08/01/06
> at 02:20 PM, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <mams@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
>
>
>><walksalone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>>> Apparently you are one pathetic grimorie student, is much as you we
>>> confuse the words of your master with the words of somebody who
>>> supposedly record those words.
>
>
>>Grimorie. (?)
>
>A variant of grimoire, it gives the spelling police something to whine
>about.
>
>>Ah... Found it (no wonder it's not in common dictionaries) inside a
>>website for invocations, witches, and other miscellaneous pagan
>>informations.
>
>>Grimorie:
>>Wiccan Study Course, Handfasting, Grimorie of the Circle of Heka,
>>Wiccan/Pagan Contacts, Tools of The Witch, Teen Witch, Wickids, The
>>Egyptian Temple, The Coven, The Alchemist, etc., etc..
>
>>Hmmm... at least you have a different viewpoint of acceptable
'religion'.
>
>
>Mythology is mythology, & how the cults invoke their gods is found in
>their grimorie. Bit to uncomplicated for many.
Hey, crawls! While you are typing one-handed (can't IMAGINE what you
are doing with the other! >:-( )
blush
You misspelled "too".
"Bit to uncomplicated for many." You used the wrong word.
"to" is the preposition. "You, crawls, were caught going to the park
and exposing yourself to some kids."
"Too" as in "much too complicated for dummies such as crawls."
:-)
john w
>
>As to what is acceptable, I suspect that varies from person to person,
but
>can be summed up by *what I don't want done to me*.
>
>
>walksalone who has not seen this name before, & will trim the follow ups
>to the Baptist group which is where I am reading this from.
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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>On 28 Jul 2006 18:08:09 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>john w wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On 28 Jul 2006 06:24:21 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>> >john w wrote:
>>> >
>>> >[Snip]
>>> >
>>> >> >But it's nice to see more examples of your christian nature.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey, sucka! It's YOU who started the rock-throwing! Even if I
tossed a
>>> >> hundred stones your way, you could have been the MAN and not
"returned
>>> >> insult for insult."
>>> >
>>> >Well, now, one might find a more flagrant example of hypocrisy and
>>> >arrogance, but one would have to look very hard to find it.
>>> >
>>> >> As it it, I mostly just ignore you.
>>> >>
>>> >> And Jesus never said we had to be punching bags.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kick me in the balls, and expect a kick in YOUR balls in return!
>>> >
>>> >Actually, Jesus pretty much said
>>>
>>> Don't presume to speak for Jesus, demoniac!
>>
>>Weatherly, of course, snipped away the substance and decided to try
>>this tactic. The problem is that I've been showing more accuracy with
>>respect to what is in the Bible and what Jesus is presumably recorded
>>to have said than Weatherly. I did not presume to speak *for* Jesus so
>>much as I represented what he is believed to have said, and Weatherly,
>>the phony, has no rebuttal.
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