>Exodus 3:8 A Judge is not to accept bribes/gifts from litigants
>Leviticus19:15 A Judge is not to favor (be partial to) a litigant
>
>> They are not accurate history and
>
>Many OT strcutures have been verified through archaeology.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Archaeology
>
>
>> certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and
totally
>> untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.
>
>Do you think at western law is based on insane and untrustworthy
principles?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are 66 or more 'claimed' original authors. There are NO original
>> copies of the Bibles in existence. They are all ALTERED hand copies of
>> copies of copies etc. by hundreds of scribes over a period of
thousands of
>> years. There is no accurate objective way to determine their
authenticity or
>> historical accuracy.
>
>False. The antagonistic evidence within the Pauline writings is evidence
>of authenticity.
>
>The archeological evidence is objective enough for most purposes.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Bibles quite obviously contain mostly myths, fables, legends.
>
>This does not make it false.
>
>> contradictions and totally impossible tales.
>
>There are reasons for the contradtictions.
>
>> NONE of the Bibles were written
>> during Jesus' 'CLAIMED LIFE TIME'.
>
>Duh.
>
>> Time and distance was required to allow
>> the creation of fictional stories and the embellishment of history.
>
>This does not make all the stories false.
>
>> There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all,
ancient
>> Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the
ones
>> that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were 50 gospels in
>> circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church
leaders,
>> yet only four
>> made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books would
>> become part of the Christian scriptures, and again, "Why?" Who
decided,
>> "This book belongs... this book doesn't..."? What were their reasons?
>> What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were authentic?
>> In addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by church
leaders
>> to sup****t their personal motives and ambitions..
>>
>>
>>
>> The fact is, there are no clear records available which do***ent the
>> church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which
books
>> were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among
scholars
>> is that the decision was based on whether or not the book agreed with
the
>> prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other
words, the
>> only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions,
desires and
>> motives of the church leader****p at the time
>
>O.K.
>
>>
>>
>> This means that the fundamental religion is not based on the Bibles,
>
>Duh.
>
>> as they
>> claim so fervently... it means the Bibles were selected and
embellished to
>> sup****t the claims of the church leader****p at the time.
>>
>>
>> It is also interesting that, even though the Biblical canon was
purposely
>> chosen to include only books that met the church leaders opinions at
the
>> time, there is so much inconsistency and contradictions in the Bibles.
And
>> it is even more interesting that so many fundamentalists proclaim that
there
>> are no contradictions in the Bible! If that were true, then why are
there
>> thousands of different sects of Christianity and 20 different English
>> versions of the Bibles?
>
>Good question.
>
>>
>> For example, Christianity is basically divided into three main sects:
the
>> Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, and the Protestants. And the
>> Protestant branch alone is divided into numerous different sects: the
>> Adventists, the Amish, the Anglican Church, the Apostolic Faith, the
>> Assemblies of God, the Baptists, the Brethren, the Christian Church,
the
>> Church of Christ, the Church of God, the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter
>> Day Saints (the Mormons), the Church of the Nazarene, the
Congregational
>> Christian Churches, the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical
Congregational
>> Church, the Friends (Quakers), the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Lutherans,
the
>> Mennonites, the Methodists, the Pentecostal Churches, the
Presbyterians, the
>> Salvation Army, the Unitarians, the United Church of Christ, and at
least 66
>> other sects!
>>
>>
>> And that does not count the different sub-sects of these prime sects!
For
>> example, the Baptists are further divided into: the American Baptist
>> Convention, the Southern Baptist Convention, the American Baptist
>> Association, the Baptist General Conference, the Bethel Baptist
Assembly,
>> the Christian Unity Baptist Association, the Conservative Baptist
>> Association of America, the Baptist Church of Christ, the Free Will
>> Baptists... and at least 19 other sub-sects. And there are no "minor
>> differences" between these sub-sects. For example, the Southern
Baptist
>> Association was formed in 1845 in large part
>> because of disagreements with other Baptists concerning slavery.
>>
>>
>> The other Protestant sects are also broken up into various sub-sects.
For
>> example, the Methodists have 23, the Mennonites 15; the Presbyterians
9; the
>> Mormons 3; etc.
>>
>>
>> And yet (especially for the more right-wing sects), these numerous
sects and
>> sub-sects claim to possess the truth of the Bible in its purest
form... and
>> each one are able to quote verses from the Bible to prove it! The
Bibles are
>> so loaded with vague stories and unsubstantiated claims that one can
find
>> texts to sup****t almost ANYTHING. So much for the "harmony" of the
Bible.
>>
>
>Fair comment.
>
>>
>>
>> Anyone that reads the Bibles objectively can see that they are books
of
>> fables, myths, legends and totally impossible tales.
>
>Impossible only within the common materialistic paradigm.
>
>> They are certainly not
>> the word of any god unless he was an absolute idiot.
>
>Several deities and spirits are mentioned in the Bible. It is idiocy to
>think that they are all one ad the same.
>
>> Believing in the Bibles is not much better than believing in Alice in
>> Wonderland, Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables. At least the latter are
good
>> literature.
>
>Duh.
>
>> The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
opposite;
>> that man created gods!
>
>You have not show any evidence that this is the case.
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>
>"Bill Kelly" <billkely@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:sdCwg.1060$WG1.534@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:07:30 -0600, "Igor"
>>>> <Igorthenearsighted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>"john w" <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>news:2jhe2253gfsd8kc9m6cbkkg1omil5jovhp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:23:18 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:01:30 -0800, john w <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:36:59 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:03:36 -0000, "Bible John"
>>>>>>>>><johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>
>>>> John 1 The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS GOD (God = Father)
>>>> And the Word became FLESH.
>>>
>>> "The Father is greater than I" --- Jesus
>>> "not even the Son knows, but the Father only"--- Jesus
>>> "My God and your God" ---- Jesus
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>
>>>"The Father in Me, He doeth the works"
>
>See John 17, the Father is in *me*, as is His Son, but I am not God...
He NEVER said, " I am not God."
That is your misinterpretation!
And
>God is doing wonderious works through me,,, but I am still not God.
He NEVER said, " I am not God."
That is your misinterpretation!
>
>> In His flesh He was the son of God, but the Spirit within Him is God
>> Almighty, our Creator.
What is wrong with that? Col 2: For in Him dwelt the fullness of the
Godhead in flesh. He was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in human form.
YOU are CONFUSED. (it MUST be demons)
>
>The same Spirit is in me, I am not God.
Yes, the same Spirit MIGHT be in you. BUT, if you DENY that Jesus
Christ, is FULLY God, then the same Spirit is NOT in you! Because one
of the TESTS of "which spirit is in you?" is this:
IF the spirit in you DENIES that Jesus is God in flesh, then that
spirit in you is NOT of God!
Gal 1
Although, God has spoken in first
>person from my lips, I still am not God.
If you deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then He has NOT spoken from
your lips, and you are being deceived.
The FINAL test is SCRIPTURE, not your "experience" or your POV.
>
>> Speaking of Adam and Christ, Paul said," The first man is from the
earth,
>> earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven"
>> "And His name shall be called, "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
>> Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
>
>That people "call" Jesus "Mighty God" fulfills this prophecy, but
calling me
>a dog won't make me a dog.
Nonsense. AGAIN, it is the demons in you that continue to deny His
deity.
Re-read Rev 1 and Rev 21 and 22 if your demons will allow it.
>
>> This is, of course, a prophecy of the Messiah who was to come,
which
>> was spoken by Isaiah the prophet.
>> The word of God is measured one scripture, against another, in
order to
>> rightly divide the word of God.
>> The Jews wanted to stone Him because they said that He made Himself to
be
>> God. He is.
>
>John 10, want to take some time to read it ?
Try reading John 1. In the beginning was The Word (the Son), and the
Word (the Son) was WITH God (in the beginning), and the Word (the Son)
WAS God.
And the Word (the Son who was God) took flesh.
>
>*my empheses*
>
>30} "I and my Father are one.
>31} Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
>32} Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you *from my
Father*
>For which of those works do you stone me ?"
>33} The Jews answered Him saying, For a good work we do not stone you,
but
>for blasphemy, and because you, being a man, make yourself God."
Because if He called himself "The Son of God", the Jews of His day
KNEW that He had declared EQUALITY with God.
>34} Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law 'you are
gods' ?"
He was drawing a COMPARISON?
Why do you reject God in flesh?
>
>Making them pretty high on the totom-pole !
>
>35} "If He called them gods, to whom the Word of God came (and the
>scriptures cannot be broken)
>
>Now we get to the fun part
>
>36} "do you say of Him *whom the Father sanctified and sent* into the
world.
>'You are blaspheming' because I said, 'I am the *Son of God* ?' "
>
>How humble of our saviour, He called *them* "gods" but He calls Himself
>merely a *Son* of God !
No, you just CHANGED a word! And scripture does not allow that.
The quote was, " I am THE Son of God."
The ONLY Son of God.
You CHANGED that (your demons) to " * A * Son of God." Which is
blasphemy, since there is only ONE Son of God.
>
>Not only that the Jews, elsewhere claim to be sons of God...John 8:41
They may CLAIM it; only Jesus is THE Son of God.
>
>> For He is "Emmanuel, that is 'God with us ' ". He could not suffer,
and
>> make atonement for our sins, if He did not become "the man Christ
>> Jesus..". He told them, " Before Abraham was,
>> "I Am".
>
>Stating that "I am" (the one indwelling Jesus) existed before Abraham,
is
>hardly claiming to be God,
LIAR! That is EXACTLY what He meant! He used the same EXACT title
for Himself that Yhwh used with Moses.
Tell them "I AM" sent you!
anymore than when I quote God, and speak His
>words in first-person.
You have FINALLY declared yourself to be the heretic you are, Glenn!
Thank you!
>
>> He was fully human, and fully God.'
>
>So many are taught to believe, regardless of what the scriptures
actually
>teach
>
>> "In
>
>> whom
>
>> dwells
>
>> all the fullness of Deity bodily ".
>
>Exactly !
>
>> In Jesus Name,
>> Bill.
>
>Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Kindly stop calling yourself "Christian". You are a liar.
>
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>"john w" <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:07:30 -0600, "Igor"
>> <Igorthenearsighted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>"john w" <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:01:30 -0800, john w <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:36:59 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:03:36 -0000, "Bible John"
>>>>>>><johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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><snip>
>
>>>> I believe you're wrong about that. Your demons seem to be munching
on
>>>> your one remaining brain cell.
>>>
>>> They had to move on, you had little left to offer them.
>>>
>>>> I am sure if you are wrong that BJ will jump right in and correct
you.
>>>> If he is a "fundamentalist Baptist" he believes in a risen Christ.
>>>>
>>>> And since Jesus is God in flesh, He raised Himself.
>>>
>>> Brain Rot ! The Father raised Him. Jesus IS OF the Father,
>>
>> Correction. Jesus IS the Father in flesh.
>
>In, the Word *in* flesh
>
>> Rev 1. Col 2.
>> John "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
>
>Genesis 1:26-28
>
>> Col 2: "For in Him dwelt all the FULLNESS of the Godhead
>> (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) in flesh.
>
>*In* Him....
>
>> John 1 The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS GOD (God = Father)
>> And the Word became FLESH.
>
>"The Father is greater than I" --- Jesus
I just saw this silliness, Glenn. You and I have been going around
with this for YEARS.
If Jesus Christ was/ is NOT God in flesh, then explain Thomas' words
on seeing the scars.
JN 20:26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and
Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and
stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"
27 Then He said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach
out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
JN 20:28 Thomas said to Him,
"My Lord and my God!"
[ that is, Tom OPENLY acknowledged AND declared the Deity of Jesus
Christ! God in flesh! ]
Did Jesus correct him? Did He say, "No, Tom! I am NOT God! I am the
Son of God!"
He did NOT!
JN 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have
believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Answer why, in Rev 1, and in Rev 21 and 22, the title, "Alpha and
Omega" (which everywhere ELSE in the Bible, refers ONLY to God the
FATHER/Creator), in Rev 1 and 22, refers to Jesus the Christ.
When you deny that the Son is the Father in flesh, you are the spirit
of anti-Christ. (Gal 1)
Also, kindly deal with
Isaiah 9:6, which you Jews have ALWAYS had difficulty with, and which
you have always SHUNNED!
ISA 9:6 For to us a _child_ is born,
to us a _son_ is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
_Wonderful Counselor_, _Mighty God_,
( since there is only ONE God, this verse says that the Son would be
GOD)
_Everlasting Father_,
( this phrase says that the Son will be the Father)
_Prince of Peace_.
And one thing Jesus the Christ has UNIVERSALLY been called, "the
Prince of Peace."
So there can be absolutely NO doubt who this passage refers to.
It's the DEMONS you have allowed into your life that are confusing
you!
ISA 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establi****ng and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.
That is, for every verse you produce that suggests that Jesus is NOT
God the Father, I can produce 2 that say He is!
You will choose to believe that Jesus is God in flesh (Destroy this
temple (His body), and in 3 days *I* will raise it), or you choose to
NOT believe!
>
>"not even the Son knows, but the Father only"--- Jesus
OF COURSE, when He left His glory to take on flesh, there were LIMITS
placed on Him. For ONE, God is Omnipresent (everywhere at once).
While Jesus had the AUTHORITY to walk on water, and to still a raging
storm (a hurricane at sea) with a word, He was unable to be everywhere
in the universe at the same moment in time in his physical body.
>
>"My God and your God" ---- Jesus
Have you missed the Old Testament passage in which Jehovah refers to
the Son as "My God?"
You don't believe because that's the CHOICE you make!
You told me some 15 years ago that "I prefer the ""symbolicals"" to
the literal text.
I suppose! Since you absolutely REFUSE to wor****p the Son of God, you
must wor****p SOMETHING! I suppose you will wor****p "symbolicals!"
AGAIN, that is your choice!
And you may recall the day we communicated our last, till I found you
in here, was the day you let slip, "I can put up with a lot of people,
but I HATE "fundies". You had utterly failed to comprehend that *I*
am a fundamentalist!
And you had OPENLY declared, "I HATE you, John!"
Which makes you-- of all people-- a JEW-- a bigot! A RELIGIOUS bigot!
>
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For any of you who -- like me-- are old pro photographers...
It's been the rule (that I am aware of) that if you are into SERIOUS
photography, of the 35 mm sort or of the digital sort,
the SERIOUS camera (under $2,000) are
the Minolta
the Nikon
and the Canon
of course, for those with $$$, the choice remains the Leica.
The announcement I wanted to make-- as I'm on a technology list-- is
that
Sony has just bought the rights to Konica Minolta. I have a Sony
digital camera (an older model, but what it is capable of, it does
BEAUTIFULLY).
So if you were one (like me) who has turned his/her nose up to any
brand OTHER than
Minolta
Nikon
or Canon
(within their price range)
Minolta is no more.
And Sony has announced this buy-out with a SPECTACULAR new offering in
Digital SLRs.
One tip. The new Sony is the first (the do***entation / announcement
says) digital SLR that offers a lcd screen on the back that is NOT
"just for previewing" the shots you've already taken. In "shoot" mode,
it now functions as a 2nd viewer, so that you don't have to life the
camera so your eye can see through the SLR viewer. The lcd also
"remains active" (what you're shooting remains visible) the whole time
you're lining up your shot. Handy!
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>In <uvuoc25jm8g9mqgmdtaqknvl0jnrt3d5g9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, on 07/30/06
> at 02:30 AM, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>bandwidth wasted 85 lines to simply say, you can't make me tell you who
my
>sources are so there.
>
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>>On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:56:20 -0400, Colonel Panic
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>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this article
>>may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the author
>>>In article <33cnc25vsg9s71irsf1a4a7iukoiof56dq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
>>><wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:50:32 -0400, Colonel Panic
>>>> <kernelpanic@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>> >In article <k02nc29k0paig34ttj25uodto66ftrtcrg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
>>>> ><wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:47:25 GMT, John Wesley Asquith
>>>> >> <johnasquith6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>> >> author
>
>snip
>
>>>> >> Why was Clinton NEVER IMPEACHED FOR CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS, a
FELONY
>>>> >> that REQUIRES IMPEACHMENT?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think some are too quick to impeach Republicans for SNEEZING,
and
>>>> >> too eager to dismiss Presidential ABUSES if the Prez happens to
be a
>>>> >> Lefty.
>>>> >
>>>> >Damn, you must be on some strong medication to believe all that.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike some (read YOU), I am a news HOUND. I was sitting watching 4
>>>> networks and cable news when you were out barfing your beer at the
>>>> local s****ts pub.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> john w
>>>>
>>>> And I don't need to "do***ent" THAT any more than I need to
"do***ent"
>>>> the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11. Some of this stuff is
>>>> PURE COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
>>>>
>>>> So pull your head out!
>>>>
>>>
>>>I guess that's a "no credible cite available".
>
>>I said what I intended to say. You do not have permission to misquote
me.
>
>Why would anybody even want to quote you to start with is the question
you
>fail to ask. Inasmuch as you are a bit famous for making statements you
>cannot back up,
Nah! Actually, that's YOUR department!
You will snip 5 pages of do***entation, and then (like your buddy,
Elaine), you'll say, "Where's your proof?"
;-)
I'm onto you! You will never be as smart as I used to be!
;-)
but, you knew that!
smirk.
And I AM impressed that it actually took you TWO posts to spout all
your Satanic hate and lies this time!
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On 30 Jul 2006 07:01:44 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>john w wrote:
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>[Snip]
>
>> >> And PLEASE tell us all what in HECK makes YOU an "expert" on ANY
>> >> Christian topic?
>> >
>> >I'm not sure I necessarily made any claims to expertise
>>
>> FINALLY got you to open up and admit that you're an ignorant,
>> uninformed, uneducated, loud-mouth, bigot and HATER!
>
>Which, of course, is not what I wrote.
Liar!
It's EXACTLY what you wrote. I QUOTE:
" I'm not sure I necessarily made any claims to expertise..."
I simply did like they do in court. I reduced your babble to the one
pertinent fragment.
You have no expertise, you admitted it, but you open your pie hole
LOT, spouting gibberish on COUNTLESS subjects, as if you're a friggin
walking Library of Congress! You sound very much like two other
ignorant, opinionated bigots, crawls (calls himself "walks") and Phar
Lap the horse's ass).
You're an ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, loud-mouth bigot, and
HATER.
And to quote you, "prove you're not!"
;-)
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:52:02 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:35:57 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>FINALLY got you to open up and admit that you're an ignorant,
>>uninformed, uneducated, loud-mouth, bigot and HATER!
>>
>The ignorant, uniformed, uneducated, loud-mouthed bigot and
>hate-filled individual is YOURSELF, weatherless.
You know, I LOVE it when you talk dirty!
;-)
>
>You project your own inadequacies onto others, all the while trying in
>vain to show yourself as the hero, the clever one, the hail-well-met
>happy sort of individual who is loved, admired, adored, and even
>emulated by everyone who encounters you.
You're projecting again, Elaine!
but, you knew that!
:-)
snipped the psychotic hate
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On 30 Jul 2006 07:03:44 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>
>> FINALLY got you to open up and admit that you're an ignorant,
>> uninformed, uneducated, loud-mouth, bigot...
>
>The real bigotry, here, is practiced by Weatherly.
OTC, you ignorant, ill informed, self-righteous, brain damaged bigot.
I have friends of all faiths, including friends who have no faith at
all. Muslims, Christians, Catholics, atheists, agnostics. Homo***uals,
lesbians.
Only a religious
>bigot would ever presume to tell another that not being a member of a
>specific religion makes one unqualified to speak about that religion or
>to have an informed opinion about it.
Bull crap! You know little or nothing about the Bible, you know
little or nothing about Christianity!
you know it, I know it, pretty much the whole group knows it.
And when the opinionated retarded trolls are listed, your nick "Dave"
pops up A LOT!
You are a WELL known Internet abuser!
But your mind numbing abuse stops here!
;-)
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> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>author
>>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:35:09 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Now let's see if Elaine apologies to John Weatherly for the false --
>>>PARANOID -- DELUSIONAL -- accusation.
>>>
>>
>>Why should I?
>
>Because you falsely accused me of something.
>
>
> YOU have still not answered my question.
Hey, STUPID!
Google only archives stuff for 2 WEEKS now!
========== YOUR INSANITY archived======
>>
>>DID YOU TRY TO HAVE UJIE'S ACCOUNT NICKED?????
>
>Jimmy, your lover, just told you what happened!
>
>SHEESH!
>
>You are sooooooooooooooo paranoid! And delusional!
>
>And when did you EVER earn the right to ask me the time of day?
>
>Psycho *****!
>
>
>>
>>Yes or no?
>>
>>>I'm betting she won't bother.
>>>
>>>She's not that nice, and she's not Christian, either.
>>>
>>You're no judge of me, old boy.
>
>Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>
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> wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>Christianity Dying but when will the Funeral be?
>
>I have seen so many re****ts lately showing that the Anglicans and
>Catholics are disappearing fast. Not so long ago the demise of
Don't kid yourself. You are describing nothing but the prophesied
"falling away" of the Last Days.
As long as there are Christians somewhere who are dying for their
faith, and as long as there are Christians somewhere in the world who
are WILLING to die for their faith, there is what the Bible calls "a
remnant".
As long as there remains that remnant (be they 50 or 50 million),
Christianity is alive and THRIVING.
And I would wager that there are those Christians within this very
group (men and women wiling and ready to die for our beliefs)
john w
>Canadian Anglicans was put at 2061. But with more and more books
>appearing each month revealing that Christianity has been the biggest
>business scam of the last two millennia, and hundreds of thousands, if
>not millions finding out by word of mouth, it does look possible that
>this debate will have little to discuss within the next two decades.
>The Church of England in Britain now seems to be going down like an
>express lift that has had its cables cut. So what is the general
>opinion. Will the funeral be in the second, third or fourth decade of
>the 21st century, and what will we then do about a new calendar?
>
>
>http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
>
>
>Bumper Sticker
>
>
>DIVINE INSANITY
>God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
>
>wrath! (Author unknown)
>
>
>One God, father-son-ghost?
>
>
>Holy Trinity "Me, Myself, and I"
>
>
>Triune god: "Buy one god, get two free"
>
>
>There is no copyright to this post or its contents anything can be
>taken from this post without permission.
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>author
>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:55:35 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>smirk. Don't think TOO highly of yourself! Last I heard, you still
>>>work for a living! You're not smart enough to be retired WEALTHY!
>>
>>
>>Are you? You're boasting about living off the work of OTHERS.
>
>?????
>
>#1 Social Security is a RETIREMENT FUND in the US! You pay INTO it,
>and then, when you RETIRE, you draw from it!
> And who on EARTH besides YOU (dumb****) thinks I / we should follow
>in YOUR corrupt steps?
> And-- psycho nurse-- pray you aren't sicker than I am in a few
>years! Usually, when *****es and jerks like YOU judge others (like
>me) you end up FAR worse off than the person(s) you are pointing your
>bony finger at!
>
>;-)
>
>> At least I'm earning my own way, paying for my home, etc...
>>What are YOU paying for?
>
>Since when is my personal life any of your business? And your
>Pinocchio nose just grew 3 more FEET!
>
>And I am SO happy you are paying your home off! I want it free and
>clear when I TAKE it!
>
>;-)
>
>> If you want to accuse me because I work for my keep, you're only
>>making more of a fool of yourself than you already have.
>
>Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>
>
>>
>>
>>Psa 62:12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest
>>to every man according to his work.
>>
>>Psa 90:17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and
>>establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our
>>hands establish thou it.
>>
>>Pro 18:9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that
>>is a great waster.
>>
>>Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have
>>rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
>>
>>Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
>>give every man according as his work shall be.
>>
>>At least MY life and work is honorable,
>
>rotflmao!
>
>Your life IN HERE is certainly NOT honorable, you lying *****!
>
>Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself
>
>snip
>
>---end archived message 8/2/2006
So m'love, which part are you ILLEGALLY archiving?
The part where you are ridiculing a handicapped person?
OR perhaps you're archiving (thank you)
:-)
the part where he rightly put you in your place?
Hmmmmmm?
*****!
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:28:37 GMT, "Whazit Tooyah" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>
>>> There is not one single mention of "The Baptist Church" in scripture!
>>> Loot
>>> it up!
>
>>Nor is there a mention of John the Catholic ;-)
>
>But there is a Church founded by Christ that celebrates the Mass, has 7
>sacraments,
Funny stuff! I have never found the word "sacrament" in the Bible.
???
and a man leader****p (Papacy) under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I've never found the word "papacy" or "pope", either.
They must be RCC INVENTIONS!
;-)
>
>Now what?
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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>
>"Whazit Tooyah" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:55:36 GMT, "Mavis" <mavis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >Dear Pastor Dave.
>> >> >
>> >> >Why do you hate the authority of the Church so much , yet you
claim
>> >> >infallibility to the books they put together and claim it as an
>> > authority.
>> >>
>> >> "The books they (RCC) put together?"
>> >>
>> >> rotfl
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Regarding the subject: Catholic Dogma and AUthority of the Bible
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The Catholic church is LONG on Dogma, but has ZERO authority.
>> >>
>> >> ;-)
>> >>
>> >> (there is not one single mention of "The Roman Catholic Church" in
>> >> scripture! Look it up!)
>> >
>> > There is not one single mention of "The Baptist Church" in
scripture!
>> > Loot
>> > it up!
>>
>> Nor is there a mention of John the Catholic ;-)
>
>Oh yes there is. It's the same passage that tells Christians how to
keep
>the Sabbath in the church building marked as being 1st century AD - you
>know, the one his uncle John the Southern Baptist built.
Another foolish one who is stupid enough to laugh about information he
has not PERSONALLY investigated!
tsk tsk
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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>
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>
>"Stephen Korsman" <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> "Whazit Tooyah" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
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>>> > "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:55:36 GMT, "Mavis" <mavis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>> >> author
>>> >> >Dear Pastor Dave.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Why do you hate the authority of the Church so much , yet you
claim
>>> >> >infallibility to the books they put together and claim it as an
>>> > authority.
>>> >>
>>> >> "The books they (RCC) put together?"
>>> >>
>>> >> rotfl
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> Regarding the subject: Catholic Dogma and AUthority of the Bible
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The Catholic church is LONG on Dogma, but has ZERO authority.
>>> >>
>>> >> ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> (there is not one single mention of "The Roman Catholic Church" in
>>> >> scripture! Look it up!)
>>> >
>>> > There is not one single mention of "The Baptist Church" in
scripture!
>>> > Loot
>>> > it up!
>>>
>>> Nor is there a mention of John the Catholic ;-)
>>
>> Oh yes there is. It's the same passage that tells Christians how to
keep
>> the Sabbath in the church building marked as being 1st century AD -
you
>> know, the one his uncle John the Southern Baptist built.
>
>
>ROFL
Before you laugh, WT, I suggest that you a visit to Izmir, Turkey, and
ask any taxi driver to take you to the BIG (block wide, block long)
church in downtown Izmir, in the Silver, Gold, leather goods trade
area. It's roughly 2 blocks from the City Hall.
Go, look at the church ("the biggest one for 40 miles") and look at
the cornerstone (down and to the right from the front door)
Then come back and apologize to me.
;-)
In the meantime, I forgive your ignorance, and your scoffing.
>
>>
>> God bless,
>> Stephen
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Korsman
>> website: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/
>> blog: http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/
>>
>> IC | XC
>> ---------
>> NI | KA
>>
>> add an s before .co.za
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:55:53 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>> author
>>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:27 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>At least I know how to correct my typos, Elaine!
>>>
>>>
>>>It was not me you were replying to, moron.
>>
>> The two of you act and talk so much alike, many of us believe the two
>> of you are one person!
>>
>> Prove you're not!
>
>You made the claim, asshole, YOU prove it.
>
>C'mon, give it a shot.
Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself, Elaine!
asshole
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:44:47 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:01:40 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:55:53 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:27 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>At least I know how to correct my typos, Elaine!
>>>
>>>
>>>It was not me you were replying to, moron.
>>
>>The two of you act and talk so much alike, many of us believe the two
>>of you are one person!
>>
>>Prove you're not!
>>
>Neither one of us need
Too much venom for one post, eh, Elaine?
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
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>john w wrote:
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>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:55:53 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:27 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At least I know how to correct my typos, Elaine!
>>>
>>> It was not me you were replying to, moron.
>>
>> The two of you act and talk so much alike, many of us believe the two
>> of you are one person!
>>
>> Prove you're not!
>>
>> idiot!
>
>Poor stupid, ur the 1 looking like the idiot!
>jimmy
I wasn't talking to you, G I Jane!
wuss in uniform!
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>"john w" wrote in message news:g8c0d2dlc5empu6due6e9prfnv19ujh95n@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>"john w" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know that the first thing Jesus will destroy when He returns is
the
>>>> Vatican!
>>>
>>>
>>>"She shall be utterly burned with FIRE for strong is the Lord God who
>>> judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed
fornication
>>> and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her,
when
>>> they shall see the smoke of her burning." Rev 18:8,9
>>>
>>>
>> I see you have read that, too!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Now if we can just get you away from the Old LAW to the New Covenant!
>>
>> :-)
>
>I renounce the old covenant and all legalism, but not
>the spiritual Law of God which is holy, just and good.
>
You STILL DEMAND that ALL keep Sabbath!
Which was NEVER GIVEN to the church!
Ex 31:15-17
Sabbath is for the JEWS!
>
>7:12 The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
>
>
>7:14 We know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under
sin.
>
>(Rom 7:12.14)
>
>
>Andrew
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>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:55:35 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>smirk. Don't think TOO highly of yourself! Last I heard, you still
>>work for a living! You're not smart enough to be retired WEALTHY!
>
>
>Are you? You're boasting about living off the work of OTHERS.
?????
#1 Social Security is a RETIREMENT FUND in the US! You pay INTO it,
and then, when you RETIRE, you draw from it!
And who on EARTH besides YOU (dumb****) thinks I / we should follow
in YOUR corrupt steps?
And-- psycho nurse-- pray you aren't sicker than I am in a few
years! Usually, when *****es and jerks like YOU judge others (like
me) you end up FAR worse off than the person(s) you are pointing your
bony finger at!
;-)
> At least I'm earning my own way, paying for my home, etc...
>What are YOU paying for?
Since when is my personal life any of your business? And your
Pinocchio nose just grew 3 more FEET!
And I am SO happy you are paying your home off! I want it free and
clear when I TAKE it!
;-)
> If you want to accuse me because I work for my keep, you're only
>making more of a fool of yourself than you already have.
Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>
>
>Psa 62:12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest
>to every man according to his work.
>
>Psa 90:17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and
>establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our
>hands establish thou it.
>
>Pro 18:9 He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that
>is a great waster.
>
>Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have
>rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
>
>Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
>give every man according as his work shall be.
>
>At least MY life and work is honorable,
rotflmao!
Your life IN HERE is certainly NOT honorable, you lying *****!
Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
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>>>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:22:04 -0500, Mike I
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>>>>>
>>>>>The "nonsense" is coming from this Baptist Church in Edmond
Oklahoma.
>>>>>In fact if you click on the links and read; you would have found
that
>>>>-----jealousy obvious
>>>
>>>
>>>Good for you! THAT was an original comment!
>>>
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>chuckle.
>>>
>>>At least you are quoting (stealing from) some VERY CLEVER people!
>>>
>>>:-)
>> 'stealing' WHAT, liar johnnie weatherless???
>
>Since I was the one that originally used the expression "attention
whore",
You WERE, Elaine?
lol!!
rotflmao!!
>does that mean that he's stealing from me?
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Subject: Re: The son of man
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:11:58 -0700
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On 2 Aug 2006 03:44:43 -0700, "colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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><snip>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>The Trinity isn't real.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Unsup****ted assertion.
>> > >>
>> > >>It doesn't need sup****t because it is not a claim.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes it is colp.
>> >
>> > Wrong.
>> >
>>
>> Wrong again colp, I am correct.
>>
>> > claim:
>> > 5 [n] an assertion that something is true or factual; "his claim
that
>> > he was innocent"; "evidence contradicted the government's claims"
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for proving my point colp, you claimed the Trinity is not real,
>> which is claiming your statement is true or factual.
>
>False. When I said that the Trinity wasn't real I denied that it was
>real.
>I made a denial, not a claim.
>
>>
>> Now if you want to admit your statement is bogus, than I will
withdrawn
>> you made an unsup****ted assertion.
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>Human beings cannot share in divinity.
Says who?
Are you saying that All powerful God lacks one power?
THat is, All powerful God is not capable of taking a human body if
He chooses?
tsk tsk
(your god is too small, colp)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>So what sort of being was Jesus?
Jesus Christ was God become flesh. God can do as God pleases. He
is -- by definition-- all powerful.
God chose-- for His own purposes-- to take on human flesh.
Why is that concept so hard for you to grasp?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>The Father and I are one colp.
>> > >>
>> > >>You didn't answer the question.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes I did colp. Jesus is God.
>> >
>> > Jesus was a human being.
Jesus was / is God become man.
It's only demons and Satan that DENY that God has the power
to become man if He wishes.
You DENY God has the power to become a man?
>> >
>>
>> The Father and I are one colp.
>
>The disciples were one with the Father. Does that make them God too?
NOWHERE does the Bible say that the disciples "were one
with the Father." IT ONLY says that Jesus encouraged them to STRIVE
for that..
It NEVER says they ACHIEVED that.
>
>>
>> > You said that human beings cannot share in divinity.
>> >
>>
>> This is correct colp. But Jesus was God before he became flesh colp.
>
>Jesus was still a human being.
You are REALLY hung up on the idea of God becoming a man, aren't you?
>
>Therefore you are saying that Jesus cannot share in divinity because he
>was a human being.
>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>As I already
>> > >>>>>pointed out, the Bible teaches divinity is not something for
man to
>> > >>>>>grasp.
YOu have it turned around.
Man didn't "grasp deity". God took on flesh.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>That teaching was based on the premise that grasping for
divinity
>> > >>>>involved disobedience to YHWH.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>True.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>Only the divine persons are in the Trinity.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>It's a purely imaginary device.
God took on flesh, colp. Not the other way around.
And it has only happened once.
How sad that you so limit your god.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>It is a Biblical teaching colp.
>> > >>
>> > >>That does not make it true.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I am not saying what is or is not true colp, I merely show how far
from
>> > > the Biblical text your claims actually are.
>> >
>> > The doctrine of the Trinity isn't true
Of course, it's true!
To deny the truth of the Trinity is to deny God has the
power to do as He chooses.
And the Trinity is not a "doctrine". The Trinity is theology.
"The study of who God is, His nature."
>>
>> Unsup****ted assertion.
>
>It's still true.
>
>>
>> >just because Paul used the word
>> > thieos.
>> >
>>
>> I don't need to use Paul colp.
>
>O.K.
>
>> The Trinity concept begins in the Old
>> Testament, and is taught in the Gospels.
>
>It is not possible to reconcile the concept of the Trinity with the
>scripture of "let us make man in our image, after our likeness" in
>which both male and females were created and the assertion that the
>Holy Spirit was the father of Jesus.
Says who?
tsk tsk
>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>>Jesus prayed for the disciples to be one as best as they could
be, but
>> > >>>>>man is an imperfect creature.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>If man was not capable of perfection the command to "be ye
perfect"
>> > >>>>would be impossible to fulfill.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>Be ye perfect is not meant to be taken literally,
>> > >>>since man is not perfect.
>> > >>
>> > >>So Jesus wasn't perfect, since he was a man?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Far more than that colp, the Father and I are one.
>> >
>> > So since you are saying that man is not perfect amd Jesus was man
>>
>> Jesus is God colp.
>
>So now you are saying that neither Jesus nor God is perfect.
>
>Jesus says that his Father is perfect.
>
>>
>> > and he
>> > and his Father were one then you are implying that the Father is not
>> > perfect.
>> >
>>
>> Wrong again colp, your reading comprehension skills have failed you
>> once again.
>
>You are unable to show how I have not comprehended what you have
>written.
>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>Or he was, because he was the son of man?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It appears you do not know the significance of that title colp.
>> >
>> > Yes, I do.
>> >
>>
>> Not apparently all the significance colp.
>
>God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he
>should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he
>spoken, and shall he not make it good?
>Numbers 23:19
>
>>
>> > Do not rely on princes nor in the son of man, for he holds no
salvation.
>> > Psalm 146:3
>> >
>>
>> That is part of it, anything else?
>
>Repentance.
>
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:13:10 -0400, "bam"
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>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:08 -0400, "bam"
>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
>>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:06 -0400, "bam"
>>>> <mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are you reading our sacred scriptures?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Bible is not owned by you lot, no matter how many times you lie
in
>>>> trying to claim it does, Bryan.
>>>
>>>Yep. We excommunicated Martin Luther and he ran off with our Bible.
>>>
>>>BAM
>>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Want a crying towel, sonny?
>
>No doc. I just don't want you doctoring up the Catholic faith, calling
it
>Baptist,
I keep looking for the Catholics" in the New Testament! It just ain't
there!
You're makin' it up, aintcha?
Why not just admit it? You've been brainwashed.
The word "Catholic" simply is not in the Bible!
(the word "Baptist" is)
;-)
(even though you've been taught to lie and say "they aren't the same
as the Baptists today!)
says who?
YOU?
Don't make me laugh!
and thinking that somehow you were always there.
The 1st C Christians weren't Baptists, TROLL!
They immersed new believers (John 3), they didn't pray to Mary. (they
prayed to Jesus)
They didn't have idols in their churches like you do.
They didn't buy their way to heaven with "indulgences"
They didn't chant with prayer beads.
Shall I go on?
It's like someone
>painting spectacles or a moustache on the Mona Lisa and trying to pass
it
>off as their own.
You just described the RCC!
Thanks!
YOu ARE getting it!
;-)
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