>Bzzzzt. Wrong answer.
>
>There is a difference between Ruach Elohim (the Spirit of God in Genesis
>1:2) and the Elohim (Gods) who have descendants (eg Genesis 6:2).
>
>>
>> I heard and learned this from a spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy
Spirit,
>> if you will believe it, who we (plural) talk to and record on audio
>> tape our sessions with Him.
>
>How can you tell the "Holy Spirit" from a lying spirit?
Since the Bible is Holy Spirit-"derived" or Holy Spirit inspired,
anything you believe the Holy Spirit is saying to you or teaching you
MUST conform to the scriptures.
If you believe that the Holy Spirit is telling you to build an image
of St Peter in your living room, and that you are to bow down and
wor****p that image, and then you read the Bible, and it tells you in
Leviticus and in Deuteronomy that all images of men, women, animals,
and fish are FORBIDDEN to "bow down before" or to wor****p,
in that way you know that the Holy Spirit is not the "spirit" that is
telling you to build an image of St Peter to wor****p.
Likewise, when the gospels and epistles and Acts of the apostles say
very specifically that we are to be baptized by immersion (how Jesus
did it) after we accept the Lord****p of Christ, we know it is NOT
God's Holy Spirit telling us that "being sprinkled as infants is ok."
And when we compare the Biblical record (in the gospels, in Acts, and
in the epistles with the historical record (the 1st and 2nd churches
we find have baptismal pools in them that are deep enough to hold
enough water to immerse new believers in,
we have historical "hard copy" evidence that the New Testament
accounts are accurate as written.
However, when we get into debates about which day of the week we are
to wor****p, or whether to use wine or grape juice for the Lord's
Supper, or which version of the Bible we are to use, or whether it's
Christian for men to have facial hair, or "whether women should be
permitted to wear trousers",
and we find NO mention of these issues in scripture, we AGAIN know
that it's not the HOLY Spirit giving such instruction, but ANOTHER
spirit is coming in, attempting to divide the body of Christ.
Any student of the Bible who is SINCERE in his study, who "measures
ALL things against scripture" as given by the Holy Spirit's
inspiration THOUSANDS of years ago
will not be fooled by false prophets or by false spirits.
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:51:14 -0700
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>I wouldn't normally bother
>
>But this is written with the most appalling grammar and spelling
>
>And you are the one who criticises others
>
>Get real
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>In article <p9rrc2ts2u452pjsvi27rququfu4fpgq6j@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> For any of you who -- like me-- are old pro photographers...
>>
>> It's been the rule (that I am aware of) that if you are into SERIOUS
>> photography, of the 35 mm sort or of the digital sort,
>>
>> the SERIOUS camera (under $2,000) are
>>
>> the Minolta
>> the Nikon
>> and the Canon
>>
>>
>> of course, for those with $$$, the choice remains the Leica.
>>
>>
>> The announcement I wanted to make-- as I'm on a technology list-- is
>> that
>>
>> Sony has just bought the rights to Konica Minolta. I have a Sony
>> digital camera (an older model, but what it is capable of, it does
>> BEAUTIFULLY).
>>
>> So if you were one (like me) who has turned his/her nose up to any
>> brand OTHER than
>> Minolta
>> Nikon
>> or Canon
>>
>> (within their price range)
>>
>> Minolta is no more.
>>
>> And Sony has announced this buy-out with a SPECTACULAR new offering in
>> Digital SLRs.
>>
>> One tip. The new Sony is the first (the do***entation / announcement
>> says) digital SLR that offers a lcd screen on the back that is NOT
>> "just for previewing" the shots you've already taken. In "shoot" mode,
>> it now functions as a 2nd viewer, so that you don't have to life the
>> camera
Sorry. s/b "so you don't have to lift the camera..."
I have never claimed to be the world's best typist.
Thanks for pointing that out so nicely, Elaine!
:-)
It's very sad when mental defectives like Phar Lap must point at typos
and call them "atrocious grammar."
tsk tsk
so your eye can see through the SLR viewer. The lcd also
>> "remains active" (what you're shooting remains visible) the whole time
>> you're lining up your shot. Handy!
>>
>> -- 30 --
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:52:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:42:51 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>snip
>>>>> Now let's see if Elaine apologies to John Weatherly for the false
--
>>>>> PARANOID -- DELUSIONAL -- accusation.
>>>>
>>>>You mean like when you accused me of making prank phone calls to your
>>>>house?
I don't recall putting YOU on that list, sweety! Perhaps you're a bit
confused!
>>>>Or when you accused me of canceling your email accounts?
I don't recall putting YOU on that list, sweety! Perhaps you're a bit
confused!
>>>
>>>
>>> You too, Robyn? I'm sorry I didn't include you in the list then -- I
>>> knew the old growl accused Jim and myself - I was not aware he tried
>>> to blame you as well.
That was called an educated guess. I still plan on finding out, when
other more urgent issues pass. I will then prosecute whoever did it.
This insane group (that includes you) has NOTHING to do with my e-mail
account.
And whatever cretin lied and got my accounts cancelled is
prosecutable.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the club!!!!!! ;)
>>
>>Yes, that was a while back.
Yes, it certainly was. About a year ago, now.
He's just a LITTLE paranoid.
It's not paranoid, darlin', when you KNOW there are cretins like Jimmy
and Robib and Elaine lurking in the shadows.
>Yupper-- a little paranoid,
smirk.
Elaine looking in her mirror again!
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> wrote:
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>horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> ujb wrote:
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> john w wrote:
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:49:08 GMT, "Mike Painter"
>>>>> <mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>>> author
>>>>>> john w wrote:
>>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:20:49 -0700, "Bible John"
>>>>>>> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>>> Horn do you ever have anything nice to say? If not then why are
you
>>>>>>>> here? Jason got tired of you and so am I.
>>>>>>> John, why on EARTH do you waste your time and energy on such?
>>>>>>> Have you not YET figured out that Dave Horn is an ATTENTION WHORE
like
>>>>>>> Phar Lap and others?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He is here for ONE purpose: To waste your time, your energy, and
to
>>>>>>> antagonize you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And--no-- he NEVER has anything good to say!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (he's likely a demoniac, whereas YOU are simply psychotic)
>>>>>> I'm tempted to ask which John is being addressed here.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I -- John Weatherly -- just said that John Wolf is psychotic.
>>>> Forgetting for the the moment that this is a bit of a PKB statement
>>>> *and* that Weatherly isn't qualified to make such a judgment...
>>> If 'poor stupid' could make *ANY* judgments he wouldn't be living in
a
>>> home for the crippled.
>>
>> Indeed? What's *that* about?
>
>Something like, it was living on the street, now in a sup****ted
>environment.
There is nothing dishonorable about being physically or mentally
handicapped (you are certainly mentally deficient, Jimmy)
and there is nothing dishonorable about getting assisted living (low
income/disabled/senior / Section 8) housing when one needs it.
I suggest you pray, Jimmy, that you are as healthy as I am when you
are my age!
;-)
The way you're headed, someone is going to snuff you before you turn
40!
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>ujb wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>> > john w wrote:
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:49:08 GMT, "Mike Painter"
>> >> <mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >>> john w wrote:
>> >>>> x-no-archive: yes
>> >>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:20:49 -0700, "Bible John"
>> >>>> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >>>> author
>> >>>>> Horn do you ever have anything nice to say? If not then why are
you
>> >>>>> here? Jason got tired of you and so am I.
>> >>>> John, why on EARTH do you waste your time and energy on such?
>> >>>> Have you not YET figured out that Dave Horn is an ATTENTION WHORE
like
>> >>>> Phar Lap and others?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> He is here for ONE purpose: To waste your time, your energy, and
to
>> >>>> antagonize you!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And--no-- he NEVER has anything good to say!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (he's likely a demoniac, whereas YOU are simply psychotic)
>> >>> I'm tempted to ask which John is being addressed here.
>> >>>
>> >> I -- John Weatherly -- just said that John Wolf is psychotic.
>> >
>> > Forgetting for the the moment that this is a bit of a PKB statement
>> > *and* that Weatherly isn't qualified to make such a judgment...
>>
>> If 'poor stupid' could make *ANY* judgments he wouldn't be living in a
>> home for the crippled.
>
>Indeed? What's *that* about?
It's about Jimmy being a liar, and thinking he's funny, when he makes
fun of ( ridicules) those he sees as "inferior". Since I have
admitted being mentally ill, Jimmy is enough of an ignorant bigot that
he takes great joy in imagining he is "making my life miserable."
chuckle
He thinks that saying I live in a "home for the crippled" is just
another funny slice at me with his straight razor.
I remind all SANE folk that being mentally ill (bi-polar) is not
FUNNY, and he SHOULD be thinking, "There, but for the grace of God, go
I!"
As bi-polar is a GENETIC disorder that I got from my mom, it's not
exactly something I did to myself.
Nor am I (nor are many) all that convinced that Jimmy is all that
mentally sound.
;-)
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>Dave wrote:
>> john w wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:49:08 GMT, "Mike Painter"
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> wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>>> john w wrote:
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:20:49 -0700, "Bible John"
>>>>> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>>> author
>>>>>> Horn do you ever have anything nice to say? If not then why are
you
>>>>>> here? Jason got tired of you and so am I.
>>>>> John, why on EARTH do you waste your time and energy on such?
>>>>> Have you not YET figured out that Dave Horn is an ATTENTION WHORE
like
>>>>> Phar Lap and others?
>>>>>
>>>>> He is here for ONE purpose: To waste your time, your energy, and
to
>>>>> antagonize you!
>>>>>
>>>>> And--no-- he NEVER has anything good to say!
>>>>>
>>>>> (he's likely a demoniac, whereas YOU are simply psychotic)
>>>> I'm tempted to ask which John is being addressed here.
>>>>
>>> I -- John Weatherly -- just said that John Wolf is psychotic.
>>
>> Forgetting for the the moment that this is a bit of a PKB statement
>> *and* that Weatherly isn't qualified to make such a judgment...
>
>If 'poor stupid' could make *ANY* judgments he wouldn't be living in a
>home for the crippled.
All this time, Jimmy, I've been wondering, and so I thought I'd just
ask. What do you want to be if you grow up?
Just wonderin'
>
>> Whoosh.
>>
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:53:06 -0700, Michael Rippie
<michael@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
> Christ never, said he was the only son of God.
Jesus' own words, John 3:16
For God loved the world SO MUCH that He sent His ONLY Son so that
WHOSOEVER believed on Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting
life! For God did NOT send His Son into the world to CONDEMN the
world, but so that the whole WORLD-- through the Son-- could be saved.
And YOU, Mike, are either the world's worst "Bible Student", or a
liar.
He said we were all
>the son's and daughters of God and one no better than the other.
>"Anything I do you can all do," Said Christ. So if you can't walk on
>water neither did Christ.
>
> Christ says if you want to know the spirit that is God you must
>first know yourself. You are the last Church. No building or group
>of people can be a church.
>
>.
>Michael@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>alt.religion/the-last-church
>Http://www.thelastchurch.org
>http://cafepress.com/the_last_church
>
>A preacher is the blind leading the blind.
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Subject: Re: Brother Weatherly why do you mock me?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:33:28 -0700
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:11:53 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>Bible John wrote:
>> <(the result of a mental
>> disorder, which MAY be Bible John's situation)>
>>
>> Brother can we have a chat in private?
John, I have one question for you. It is this:
What part of the word "No!" do you not understand?
Are you the 3-year old who believes that if you lay down on the
floor in the supermarket, and kick your legs and flail your arms and
shriek at the top of your lungs LONG enough, eventually, you'll get
the candy you're demanding?
I said "No." I explained why, both in e-mail, and in the group.
"NO!" does not mean, "I'll think on it further."
"No" doesn't mean "convince me."
"No doesn't mean "whine and wheedle."
Be a man, suck it up (if you can), and get on with your life (what
there is of it)
Since you have chosen to make this nasty business public, I'll
publicly embarrass you in return.
You have now TWICE lied to me. You have now TWICE told the entire
planet (all who would read it) things you PROMISED me in private
e-mail
would remain strictly between the two of us.
I even asked you/ INSISTED that you come back in here and tell the
group that you LIED about me being "kicked out of seminary."
You remained silent.
You remain silent on that subject STILL.
You are a LIAR, you have NO scruples, you have no LOYALTY.
PERIOD.
You need to get over our
>> differences, and unity must be present in a Christ centered
>> relation****p. This is what the hate filled atheists and agnostics
>> have but we lack. They have unity. They may be filled with hatred
>> towards anyone that claims to be a Christian (and this includes the
>> Mormons and other cults).
>It's been said time and again that none of you are worth hating.
>
>We have unity because objective research into a subject leads to the
same
>conclusions.
>
>The scholars of the major theological schools in the world *ARE*
Christian
>or Jew, but they agree with what we say about your religion.
>
>That knowledged was gained, as much as possible, in the same matter that
>allowed you to have a cheap computer on your desk.
>
>Only those who wor****p the bible and think they know more than people
who
>have dedicated their lives to real academic study argue and moan the way
you
>and the others do.
>
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Subject: Re: OT For any of you who-- like me-- are photographers...
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:20:25 -0700
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:30:19 +1000, Shasta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Bree)
wrote:
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>I wouldn't normally bother
>
>But this is written with the most appalling grammar and spelling
>
>And you are the one who criticises others
>
>Get real
>
>+
>
>
>In article <p9rrc2ts2u452pjsvi27rququfu4fpgq6j@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> For any of you who -- like me-- are old pro photographers...
>>
>> It's been the rule (that I am aware of) that if you are into SERIOUS
>> photography, of the 35 mm sort or of the digital sort,
>>
>> the SERIOUS camera (under $2,000) are
>>
pardon a typo
s/b
the SERIOUS cameras (under $2,000) are
>> the Minolta
>> the Nikon
>> and the Canon
>>
>>
>> of course, for those with $$$, the choice remains the Leica.
>>
>>
>> The announcement I wanted to make-- as I'm on a technology list-- is
>> that
>>
>> Sony has just bought the rights to Konica Minolta. I have a Sony
>> digital camera (an older model, but what it is capable of, it does
>> BEAUTIFULLY).
>>
>> So if you were one (like me) who has turned his/her nose up to any
>> brand OTHER than
>> Minolta
>> Nikon
>> or Canon
>>
>> (within their price range)
>>
>> Minolta is no more.
>>
>> And Sony has announced this buy-out with a SPECTACULAR new offering in
>> Digital SLRs.
>>
>> One tip. The new Sony is the first (the do***entation / announcement
>> says) digital SLR that offers a lcd screen on the back that is NOT
>> "just for previewing" the shots you've already taken. In "shoot" mode,
>> it now functions as a 2nd viewer, so that you don't have to life the
>> camera so your eye can see through the SLR viewer. The lcd also
>> "remains active" (what you're shooting remains visible) the whole time
>> you're lining up your shot. Handy!
>>
>> -- 30 --
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Subject: Re: "So Much For A Cease-Fire" 3 Raspberries 4 Hezbollah
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:17:40 -0700
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>In article <4u6sc2ts2u452pjsvi27rququfu4fpgqqg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> "So Much For A Cease-Fire"
>>
>>
>> 3 Raspberries 4 Hezbollah
>>
>> Hezbollah and the Lebanese (and indeed the entire Arab world)
>>
>> have been SHRIEKING for 3 weeks for a cease-fire, all the time,
>> Hezbollah has been lobbing bombs and rockets into populated areas of
>> Israel FROM HEAVILY POPULATED areas of Lebanon.
>>
>> The Israeli diplomats have said REPEATEDLY that when Hezbollah loves
>> their CHILDREN as much as they HATE Israel, there will be PEACE.
>>
>> Israel finally granted a 48 hour cessation of hostilities so that the
>> Lebanese could retreat and bury their dead.
>>
>> What does Hezbolla do?
>>
>> they wait till there is silence, stillness in the air, and they launch
>> yet another ATTACK!
>>
>> There is no honor with Hezbolla, just a desire for Jewish blood, and
>> LIES piled upon lies!
>>
>> Long live Israel!
>
>All very well if one is starting from a position such as the one you
>usually start from which is pig ignorance of the real situation on the
>ground.
And of course, Phar Lap, who knows all things, is now speaking from
authority as a Hezbollah fighter IN Lebanon, wearing a towel mask at
this very moment, lobbing rockets into Israel!
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:16:16 -0700
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<hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:21 -0500, Mike I
><hope2basaint@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Since this topic was recently discussed in these NG's. I thought I
>>would bring this to your attention.
>>
>>It appears the discussion of immersion is on going even among Baptist.
>>Oklahoma's biggest Baptist church in Edmond Oklahoma has raised the
>>question. For the record they did postpone the vote to give others a
>>chance to speak.
>>
>>Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
>>Jul 24, 2006
>>By Staff
>>Baptist Press
>>
>>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--In three services over the weekend of July 29-30,
>>members of Henderson Hills Baptist Church in Edmond, Okla., will vote
>>on a proposal to eliminate baptism as a requirement for church
>>member****p. Announcement of the vote has sparked a flurry of debate -–
>>a discussion reflected on the pages of The Baptist Messenger, news
>>journal of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma.
>>
>>In a column published on the news journal’s website,
>>www.baptistmessenger.com, Henderson Hills pastor Dennis Newkirk
>>explains that, while the congregation’s elder council believes “the
>>New Testament commands every believer to be baptized by immersion,
>>subsequent to salvation,” they are questioning whether baptism should
>>be required “as an initiatory rite of church member****p.”
>>
>>The proposal, Newkirk writes, “is not intended to excuse people from
>>the sin of refusing baptism. Instead, our concern is for Christians in
>>two categories, those who physically cannot experience immersion due
>>to a disability, and for those who are under the mistaken conviction
>>that sprinkling is baptism.”
>>
>>Like many Southern Baptist churches, Henderson Hills deals with people
>>who would like to join but are members of churches that sprinkle
>>infants, rather than immersing individuals who have consciously chosen
>>to follow Christ. The vast majority of Southern Baptist churches would
>>require such inquirers to offer evidence of salvation and submit to
>>baptism by immersion.
>>
>>Although Newkirk’s column says that “in 31 years of ministry, I have
>>never met a believer who adamantly refused baptism,” he argues that
>>the requirement of rebaptism is an obstacle to ministering to such
>>people.
>>
>>“We often sacrifice our op****tunity to teach and influence those
>>mistaken Christians by rejecting them or we unintentionally promote an
>>unbiblical motive for baptism, making it little more than a rite of
>>initiation into church member****p,” Newkirk writes. “Why not allow
>>them the blessings, responsibilities and protection of church
>>member****p, and then teach, pray, and influence them towards biblical
>>baptism?”
>>
>>The proposal coming before the congregation would strike the phrase,
>>“has been scripturally baptized,” from a church bylaw that currently
>>reads, in part: “Member****p will be granted to anyone who offers a
>>biblical testimony of salvation, has been scripturally baptized and
>>agrees to accept the responsibilities of member****p.”
>>
>>You can read the rest of the story at:
>>http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23674
>>and
>>http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/282006h.asp
>>http://www.newsok.com/article/2822312
>>http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9581346/detail.html
>
>
>Let me add one more site they have a PDF file online the explains
>there concerns.
>http://www.hhbc.com/Websites/25/Files/Biblical%20Material%20Sub-Team%
20Re****t.pdf
>
>I just skimmed the do***ent and found these lines interesting:
>
>Every instance of baptism in the New Testament does not necessarily
>refer to water baptism. Many instances refer to Spiritual baptism or
>immersion into something or someone’s authority or leader****p. Some
>passages about baptism are particularly difficult to understand...
>
I disagree. I find only one place where a new believer was not
baptized by immersion. That was the thief on the cross. He was not
immersion baptized because he didn't have the op****tunity.
Every other INSTANCE of baptism indicates immersion, believer's
baptism.
In the various DISCUSSIONS on baptism, the mode may not always be
mentioned; however, that would certainly be a reasonable lapse, since
every instance of baptism MENTIONED is one of immersion.
I believe the strongest statements we have on immersion of believers
in the Bible is the immersion of our Lord Himself. With people
practicing various water rituals all over the land, the FACT that
Jesus SOUGHT John out BECAUSE John was immersing people in water deep
enough to submerge them
speaks volumes.
Jesus was so committed to immersion baptism that John 3 says upon
being baptized by John, Jesus then took His followers to another part
of the river, and Jesus baptized them as He had been baptized (thereby
establi****ng a chain of authority). Jesus was baptized (and some form
of mystical power was transferred or bestowed upon Him -- in this
simple act of obedience) Jesus then TRANSFERS or BESTOWS that same
mystical power on His disciples by baptizing the first of them.
Thereby, the Christ was baptized, then baptized, then those whom He
baptized baptized others, and the "mystical power" was transferred
from Christ-- through the apostles-- to His followers.
Those who refuse immersion end up being sprinkled by others who
refused, and that line of mystical power is LOST.
If there is POWER in Christianity (in following in His footsteps at
EVERY POSSIBLE op****tunity) then I want to avail myself of every bit
of the power that is available.
And being immersed by one who has been immersed is such a SIMPLE thing
to do.
>and
>Common Water Baptism Fallacies
>Although many verses mention water baptism, none explicitly address
>its meaning.
Sure they do. "in baptism", Paul relates, "we are BURIED with Christ."
Baptism then is intended to be a visual symbol of following Him to
death, into the grave, and out again.
If the traditional view of Paul’s use in Romans 6:4 and
>Colossians 2:12 are argued as the meaning of water baptism, then they
>are to be taken literally.7 This would join water baptism with
>salvation and upset sola gratia and sola fide so accurately explained
>and defended elsewhere in Scripture.
Not at all. A vital proof text that immersion believers' baptism--
while a VITAL act of OBEDIENCE-- is not ESSENTIAL-- would be the thief
on the cross.
Never immersed, he received the only "baptism" that is REQUIRED. He
was baptized in the Holy Spirit the INSTANT he believed.
You are babbling Roman Catholic NONSENSE that is utterly NOT
scriptural.
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Subject: Re: Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:21 -0500, Mike I
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author
>Since this topic was recently discussed in these NG's. I thought I
>would bring this to your attention.
>
>It appears the discussion of immersion is on going even among Baptist.
>Oklahoma's biggest Baptist church in Edmond Oklahoma has raised the
>question. For the record they did postpone the vote to give others a
>chance to speak.
>
>Baptism as requirement for member****p set for church vote
>Jul 24, 2006
>By Staff
>Baptist Press
>
>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--In three services over the weekend of July 29-30,
>members of Henderson Hills Baptist Church in Edmond, Okla., will vote
>on a proposal to eliminate baptism as a requirement for church
>member****p. Announcement of the vote has sparked a flurry of debate -–
>a discussion reflected on the pages of The Baptist Messenger, news
>journal of the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma.
>
>In a column published on the news journal’s website,
>www.baptistmessenger.com, Henderson Hills pastor Dennis Newkirk
>explains that, while the congregation’s elder council believes “the
>New Testament commands every believer to be baptized by immersion,
>subsequent to salvation,” they are questioning whether baptism should
>be required “as an initiatory rite of church member****p.”
>
>The proposal, Newkirk writes, “is not intended to excuse people from
>the sin of refusing baptism. Instead, our concern is for Christians in
>two categories, those who physically cannot experience immersion due
>to a disability, and for those who are under the mistaken conviction
>that sprinkling is baptism.”
I certainly sympathize with those who are physically incapable of
being immersed. I believe that Christ and the apostles taught the
necessity of being OBEDIENT in immersion, believers' baptism. That
means one obeys when it is possible to comply.
When one is MISTAKEN (hard of heart perhaps) about the MODE of
baptism, it would seem to a RATIONAL person that it would be ADVISABLE
to be baptized in the way
1. Jesus chose to be baptized
2. in the way Jesus chose to baptize the first of His followers.
Isn't it sound practice doctrinally, that "when in doubt" play it
safe?
The person who REFUSES to be immersed as a believer because they "feel
that being sprinkled should be sufficient" is not "obeying in all
things." They are looking for excuses to NOT comply.
That is, "if my eating meat offends you, I should not eat meat in your
presence."
By the same token, if I believe it is appropriate for you to be
immersed as an OUTWARD SYMBOL to the body that you wish to be known as
a FOLLOWER, and then you REFUSE such a simple thing... how then do you
qualify as a "follower?"
You don't. You are saying, "I will follow in THIS matter, but not in
this matter. I will do this, but I won't do this."
john w
>
>Like many Southern Baptist churches, Henderson Hills deals with people
>who would like to join but are members of churches that sprinkle
>infants, rather than immersing individuals who have consciously chosen
>to follow Christ. The vast majority of Southern Baptist churches would
>require such inquirers to offer evidence of salvation and submit to
>baptism by immersion.
>
>Although Newkirk’s column says that “in 31 years of ministry, I have
>never met a believer who adamantly refused baptism,” he argues that
>the requirement of rebaptism is an obstacle to ministering to such
>people.
>
>“We often sacrifice our op****tunity to teach and influence those
>mistaken Christians by rejecting them or we unintentionally promote an
>unbiblical motive for baptism, making it little more than a rite of
>initiation into church member****p,” Newkirk writes. “Why not allow
>them the blessings, responsibilities and protection of church
>member****p, and then teach, pray, and influence them towards biblical
>baptism?”
>
>The proposal coming before the congregation would strike the phrase,
>“has been scripturally baptized,” from a church bylaw that currently
>reads, in part: “Member****p will be granted to anyone who offers a
>biblical testimony of salvation, has been scripturally baptized and
>agrees to accept the responsibilities of member****p.”
>
>You can read the rest of the story at:
>http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=23674
>and
>http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/282006h.asp
>http://www.newsok.com/article/2822312
>http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/9581346/detail.html
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:58:25 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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author
>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:38:45 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:46:42 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>> author
>>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:50:35 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>God HATES liars
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When do YOU plan to stop YOUR lies, weatherless?
>>>
>>> I see you couldn't even keep your potato hole out of a short PRIVATE
>>> comment to Bible John, Elaine Matthewsevenless,
>>
>>Here's an idea. Plonk her.
>
>
>Yes, liar-johnnie ---- PLEASE---- PLONK ME!
Neah! Yer too funny!
;-)
Besides, I've almost succeeded in having you in carcerated!
they just said, 'keep goading her til we get the new wing of the
looney bin ready!"
;-)
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:55:36 GMT, "Mavis" <mavis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Dear Pastor Dave.
>
>Why do you hate the authority of the Church so much , yet you claim
>infallibility to the books they put together and claim it as an
authority.
"The books they (RCC) put together?"
rotfl
>
>
Regarding the subject: Catholic Dogma and AUthority of the Bible
The Catholic church is LONG on Dogma, but has ZERO authority.
;-)
(there is not one single mention of "The Roman Catholic Church" in
scripture! Look it up!)
:-)
>
>"Pastor Dave" <zananias917z@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:57:34 GMT, Monte Cassino
>> <Monte_Cassino_1976@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:47:50 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Official Catholic dogma says that Scriptures are ~an~ authority, but
a
>>>>*lesser authority* than the magesterium.
>>>
>>>Cite, please? According to the Second Vatican Council Encyclical Dei
>>>Verbum, you are incorrect:
>>>
>>>"Hence there exists a close connection and communication between
>>>sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from
>>>the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and
>>>tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God
>>>inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the
>>>divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition
>>>hands on in its full purity God's word, which was entrusted to the
>>>apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
>>>
>>>"Thus, by the light of the Spirit of truth, these successors can in
>>>their preaching preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and
>>>make it more widely known. Consequently it is not from sacred
>>>Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything
>>>which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred
>>>Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and
>>>reverence."
>>>
>>>
>>>>And therefore all confessors
>>>>(Catholics), must always submit to the authority of the ~magesterium,
>>>>and not that of the Scriptures.
>>>
>>>Incorrect and misleading; see above.
>>
>> It is right on the money and your quote only sup****ted
>> his statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
>> till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
>>
>> O
>> /
>> /
>> <><[]()X()[]><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>
>> \
>> \
>> O
>>
>> "For the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword."
>>
>> http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/
>>
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:08:58 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>"Bible John" <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> You live in NYC?
>
>No, I live in Pa.
>
>>I hear its very much like San Francisco, but MUCH MUCH busier. The
other
>>day ago I ran into a couple that had just moved from NYC to Palo Alto.
They
>>tell me that the traffic in NYC is easily 4 times as busy as San
Francisco.
>>I inquire because SF has to be the busiest and most difficult place I
have
>>ever driven.
>>
>I seldom drive to NYC, I either go with my husband or take the train.
The
>most difficult place that I ever had to drive was Dallas Texas because
they
>drive too darn fast and they just switch lanes without warning.
>
It's not the USA, but the comments on traffic and bad driving reminded
me. When I was stationed in Turkey, part of our "orientation briefing"
was that we were warned that we should not attempt to drive cars, no
matter how tempted we might be. At least when I was there (late 60s),
they said there was one-- and only one--traffic law in Izmir. "The
first car to the intersection has the right of way." So since cars are
"so cheap" there, the car owners RACE from intersection to
intersection to get there first. Consequently, with NO (or few)
traffic lights, there are NUMEROUS collisions. I DID see a number of
car hulks by the sides of the road while we were traveling from the
base to the nearest town (Izmir) which is modern-day Ephesus (site of
one of the original churches, which is still there)
>> "Scout Lady" <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:4i53c1F27e71U1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> "<I'mAWhosoever>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:1153248273.714951.64100@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> Scout Lady wrote:
>>>>> Priceless..........
>>>>
>>>> Not as priceless as this:
>>>>
>>>> From: Scout Lady - view profile
>>>> Date: Tues, Oct 19 2004 12:02 pm
>>>> Email: "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Groups: rec.crafts.scrapbooks
>>>>
>>>> "Just let me say that I am a co-owner of one of the most successful
>>>> studio's in NYC. My husband is a very successful photographer..."
>>>>
>>>> Got any kind of proof of the existence of this studio, Scout Lady?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> What did you call it....? Oh, yeah..."one of the most successful
>>>> studio's in NYC".
>>>>
>>> That is correct.
>>>
>>>> I'm sure you'll be willing to give us the name of this studio,
right?
>>>
>>> Tell me why you want to know and I'll consider the request although I
>>> will not post it on usenet and I will require 1) that you sign an
>>> agreement, 2) that you provide your business associations with the
>>> understanding that I will sign a confidentiality agreement as well.
I am
>>> not BJ thus I don't feel required to prove anything to you so should
I
>>> decide to disclose the info to you I expect you to absorb the cost of
>>> having a legal agrreement drawn up.
>>>
>>> Given the man provided a scan of his degree which you then suggested
>>> could have been created in Photoshop I really don't think any
evidence
>>> would ever be good enough for you. It's funny how you say that you
don't
>>> trust me yet I am suppose to trust you and give you my personal
>>> information? Perhaps you have fallen and hit your head but I assure
you
>>> that I have not. You really don't inspire any trust whatsoever given
>>> your posting record here Kelly.
>>>
>>>> I mean, with it being so successful and all and in Manhattan...you
>>>> should be well known and all, right? So what would be the harm in
>>>> letting us in on the name of the studio so I can visit it when I'm
in
>>>> the Big Apple on business?
>>>>
>>> Where you raised by wolves or in a trailer park? If you are going to
>>> come to the Big Apple and you would like my husband to show you
around
>>> then you will have to learn some basic manners such as one should
wait to
>>> be invited rather than inviting oneself. It will be hard enough
>>> convincing him to spend his time showing around an antiCatholic
lesbian
>>> particularily if I tell him that you are also a Jewish ordained
>>> Protestant minister.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>> You really don't get it do you Kelly? You demanded that John show you
a
>>> scan of his degrees. I only asked you because I already knew that you
>>> would refuse to do what you asked of John and I wanted to call
attention
>>> to your hypocrisy. As usual you are not able to self reflect and
rather
>>> than saying hey, if I was treating John like I want to be treated
myself
>>> I would never ask him to post any personal info whatsoever. No you go
to
>>> the google archives looking for something that you think that you can
use
>>> against me. Who is the accuser of the brethren in scripture Kelly?
>>>
>>> I find it amusing that you are suddenly so worried about your privacy
>>> after posting your full name and where you live, your adoption info
on
>>> the internet as well as allowing pictures of yourself with your name
>>> right under them on a website of a theatre company that you work
with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:19:42 GMT, "Mike Painter"
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>vernon wrote:
> >>
>>> I don't know how you can say that when my faith is based exclusively
>>> on the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.
>>
>>
>> No it isn't.
>>
>> Experts in Greek and Hebrew have a difficult time. You not at that
>> level.
>> Knowing the language is knowing practically nothing.
>>
>> Cultural history in the application of a language, even after
>> translation, is a hundred times more revealing than just the language.
>>
>> What we have today is from Greek translations.
>>
>> What language did the Centurion use when addressing Jesus? In what
>> language did Jesus respond?
>>
>> What is the complete modern-day translation of what has been
>> translated as "confess" in 1 Jn 1:9.
>>
>> What is a day in Hebrew, in Genesis before there was a sun or moon
>> near the earth?
>
>You have understated the problem by a considerable amount.
>
>Even in the language you speak it is hard at times to know what is being
>said.
>"It was a cool day." "It was a hot day."
>Not only can't you tell what is meant without a lot of other information
but
>both sentences might mean exactly the same thing.
>
>And as this very embarrassed teen-aged found out on a short bus ride one
day
>many years ago, the meaning of a word can change over a distance of less
>than 100 miles, even in similar catholic boys high school cultures.
>
Well said! Good points all! For once, we are in 100 % agreement!
:-)
See, Mike? It is possible!
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>"vernon" <there@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Precision" <precision@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "Songz" <bach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> "¬Saba Gracile¬" <veronisc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
>>>>> "<1Whosoever1>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i melding
>>>>>
>>>>>> The NWT is completely biased to favor Watchtower doctrine,
>>>>
>>>> All translations are inherently biased as they were translated by
>>>> imperfect
>>>> men and women, the King James Version, for example was translated by
the
>>>> Church of England who slanted the translation toward the COE
doctrine
>>>> and
>>>> away from the Puritan understanding some of whom were on the
committee,
>>>> but basically ignored.
>>>>
>>>> I am not a JW but they do have a few things right such as their
stance
>>>> on
>>>> pagan holidays, rithuals and customs that have been incor****ated
into
>>>> Christianity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent point about the King James Version or KJV. I was going to
point
>>> that one out myself but hesitated because it is held by Baptists to
be as
>>> precious to them in its exclusivity, as they criticize the New World
>>> Translation of the Holy Scriptures or NWT is to Jehovah's Witnesses,
IMO.
>>> I didn't want to sound like I was pining "but your translation is
exactly
>>> to YOU as a Baptist as you claim the NWT is to JWs!" Perhaps adding,
>>> "Nana nana nana!!!" after pointing this out. I'm glad you came along
and
>>> made the observation. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> I hate to interfere with your complete ignorance, but very few Baptist
>> churches use the KJV. The majority use NIV or NASB. A few use
others. A
>> few use KJV or NKJV. BTW, NKJV by Nelson is the ONLY publication
that
>> includes ALL variations of original manuscripts in notes.
>>
>> Of course, you knew that. (snicker)
>>
>> Your ignorance of Baptists is only exceeded by your ignorance of God.
>
>
>I don't know how you can say that when my faith is based exclusively on
the
>Hebrew and Greek scriptures.
>
smirk. YOu are told that. But I am willing to bet $$$ that you are
taking the word of "elders" for that. Your NWT is NOT "based
exclusively on the Hebrew and Greek."
I have known MANY Hebrew and Greek Scholars. One is world-famous and
has a web page you might want to check. He is world-famous for his own
translation of the Bible, the John MacArthur Study Bible. He is also
KNOWLEDGABLE enough to be Trinitarian.
www.gty.org
I have been around for nearly 60 years now, and I have YET to
encounter one single JW who could pick up a Hebrew Old Testament or a
Greek New Testament and read it without aids.
I have not had a pastor yet who could not.
;-)
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>> "Songz" <bach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> "<1Whosoever1>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i melding
>>>>
>>>>> The NWT is completely biased to favor Watchtower doctrine,
>>>
>>> All translations are inherently biased as they were translated by
>>> imperfect
>>> men and women, the King James Version, for example was translated by
the
>>> Church of England who slanted the translation toward the COE doctrine
and
>>> away from the Puritan understanding some of whom were on the
committee,
>>> but basically ignored.
>>>
>>> I am not a JW but they do have a few things right such as their
stance on
>>> pagan holidays, rithuals and customs that have been incor****ated into
>>> Christianity.
>>
>>
>> Excellent point about the King James Version or KJV. I was going to
point
>> that one out myself but hesitated because it is held by Baptists to be
as
>> precious to them in its exclusivity, as they criticize the New World
>> Translation of the Holy Scriptures or NWT is to Jehovah's Witnesses,
IMO.
>> I didn't want to sound like I was pining "but your translation is
exactly
>> to YOU as a Baptist as you claim the NWT is to JWs!" Perhaps adding,
"Nana
>> nana nana!!!" after pointing this out. I'm glad you came along and
made
>> the observation. ;-)
>>
>
>I hate to interfere with your complete ignorance, but very few Baptist
>churches use the KJV. The majority use NIV or NASB. A few use others.
A
>few use KJV or NKJV. BTW, NKJV by Nelson is the ONLY publication that
>includes ALL variations of original manuscripts in notes.
>
>Of course, you knew that. (snicker)
>
>Your ignorance of Baptists is only exceeded by your ignorance of God.
>
I'm very amused, vern, that you have adopted my one-liner.
;-)
Thanks for the compliment. I'll expect a check in the mail.
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>"<I'mAWhosoever>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Precision wrote:
>>> Obviously you haven't read it.
>>
>> How is it obvious in my statements that I haven't read it? I have
read
>> enough of it to know that it is not true enough to the original texts
>> to be called the Bible.
>>
>>>If you don't like the NWT fine, but at least know claims
>>> of massive errors in translation have been greatly exaggerated.
>>
>> What I read was what I read. And the NWT has taken whole phrases and
>> meanings in holy Scripture and turned it into something it was never
>> intended to be. I know that most new English translations existing
>> today (new being from the 20th century) take certain concepts and turn
>> them into something never spoken of in Biblical times, but the NWT
does
>> something completely different. The NWT is NOT the Bible - it is
>> completely biased to JW thinking, concepts, and doctrine. And that's
>> just plain blasphemous.
>>
>>> Again, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. It would be nice
if
>>> everybody could put their theological biases aside and discuss our
Lord
>>> and
>>> glorious salvation in Christ with openness. We could all stand to
learn
>>> so
>>> much from one another!
>>
>> I can have a pleasant conversation with anyone face-to-face about
>> differing doctrines. The problem with discussing Christianity with a
>> Jehovah's Witness, however, is that JW's are taught to believe that
>> being a Jehova's Witness is belonging to the only true church and that
>> the NWT is the only true and proper translation of the Bible.
Baptists
>> and Methodists, and Presbyterians, and Assemblies of God, etc. don't
>> believe they are the one and only true Christian church. Mormons
>> believe THEY are the only one true church too. The problem with such
>> exclusivity is that it makes it impossible to talk to someone that is
>> in that exclusive group about anything outside of their structure of
>> belief, because the whole time you are talking to them they are think
>> in the back of their mind that the other person doesn't know what they
>> are saying.
>>
>> The fact is that just like the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses wor****p a
>> different Jesus than the Jesus of a plain ol' Christian who is a saved
>> by grace, born-again believer in the resurrected Jesus Christ, the Son
>> of God, one third of the Trinity.
>
>
>"Jesus Christ, the Son of God, one third of the Trinity"? Jesus is "King
of
>kings and Lord of lords" and NEVER would such a Divine and Holy One
>appointed by Jehovah God over Earth's affairs be relegated to a mere
"one
>third" of anything.
This person who referred to Jesus, The Son as "One third of the
Trinity" put it badly. I believe he intended to say that Son is the
2nd Person of the Trinity.
Fully God, Fully man.
>
>With all due respect, this is exactly why I could not bring myself to
attend
>a Baptist church of my dad's faith or become part of other denominations
>that believe in the Trinity.
If you reject the Holy Trinity, then you reject the God of
Christianity. Pure and simple. The Bible--while it does not use the
word "Trinity", most definitely DOES teach the concept.
That being that there are 3 _____ (fill in the blank/that blank has
been debated since the 1st C) there are 3 who are God. The Father is
God, the Holy Spirit is God (NOT "an active force") and the Son is
God.
All three are FULLY God.
Col 2: For in Him (the Son) dwelt the FULLNESS of the Godhead
(Father/Son/and Holy Spirit) in flesh.
that is to say, ALL that Almighty God could be in human flesh, the
Christ was and is.
Isaiah 9:6 Messiah would be the Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty God
(since there is only ONE God, the Messiah would be God, the
Everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace.
In the end, having learned of many human
>problems amongst Jehovah's Witnesses and within their headquarters, I've
had
>to choose between a Trinity teaching religion that relegates our Lord
and
>Savior to a mere "one third" of some manmade doctrine,
AGAIN, calling Jesus, our Lord "a mere one third" is poorly stated.
However, the doctrine of the Trinity is not some "manmade" doctrine.
IT was derived from CAREFUL study of the Bible.
I won't waste my time if you are not interested. However, should you
BE interested in how we get the Trinity from the Bible, it is ENTIRELY
scriptural, and I will be HAPPY to explain it to you!
and a religion that
>has problems with its translation (but does NOT prevent me from using
any
>other translation I so choose). I chose the latter.
One of the KEY issues AGAINST the NWT is simply this. John 1:1
It is PROPERLY translated, "In the beginning was the Word (the Son),
and the Word (the Son) was WITH God (the Father), and the Word (the
Son) WAS God (the Father); and He (the Son) was in the beginning WITH
the Father. There is absolutely NO basis in the Greek to add the word
"a" in front of the words "WAS God."
That is a Jehovah's Witness INVENTION to discredit the Christ. And
when you ADD the word "a" in that place, you create at LEAST 2 Gods.
When all of scripture tells us there is only 1 God.
You may NOT UNDERSTAND how Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can co-exist
as "one God", but that doesn't make it less true.
In the same way, we Christians cannot understand how the Holy Spirit
(God invisible) can live/exist INSIDE each believer (all several
BILLION of us), all over this planet, at the same time.
However, if God can (and does) co-exist in several BILLION of us at
the same time, He can exist at the same time as Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit.
You have a choice. You can ACCEPT God as He has REVEALED Himself, or
you can choose to believe in a god (false) that makes sense to you.
I choose the God of the Bible, who is WAY beyond my frail human
understanding.
>
>By the way, you left out the Catholics. They too believe they have the
one
>true religion.
Actually, the Roman Catholics (at least many of them) are much more
accepting of non-Roman Catholic Christians than the Jehovah's
Witnesses are.
Roman Catholics accept Baptists (as a rule), but both Roman Catholics
AND Baptists understand that the god of the Jehovah's Witness is not
the God of the Bible.
>
>
>> The teachings that the Watchtower
>> Society promotes are not Christian by nature, they are Jehovah's
>> Witness by nature and have nothing to do with the real Jesus Christ
who
>> died for our complete atonement on a cross at Calvary.
>
>
>That could be categorically said about any religion. It's the old pot
>calling kettle dirty.
Not at all. The Bible CLEARLY teaches that Jesus Christ is God in
flesh (John 1, Col 2)
The Jesus Christ of the Watchtower Society is an angel, a CREATED
being.
He is NOT the Christian Deity!
>
>I recall how my Baptist relatives even were highly judgmental about
members
>of other Baptist churches. Apparently there is dissention even within
>denominations.
You have now raised an ENTIRELY different point.
There are an infinite number of differences of opinion among sincere
Christians, from whether alcohol is appropriate to drink, to which
Bible to use, to which day to wor****p, to how to wor****p.
All Christians however, DO share a common belief in the final
authority of the Bible, and of the Deity of the Christ.
If you REJECT the deity of the Christ, you cannot be a Christian!
Because BEFORE you can claim the title "Christian", you must
acknowledge Him for who He is! God in flesh!
As Thomas said TO JESUS, when he saw the wounds, "My Lord and My God!"
Even though in contrast Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Halls are
>so alike they are compared to Jewish synagogs or even MacDonalds in
their
>sameness,
How sad that you'd confuse "similarity" or "being carbon copies" to
being "real Christians." One of the charms of real Christianity is
that it transcends culture and race.
There truly is room for those who wor****p on Sunday as well as for
those who wor****p on Saturday. There truly is room for those who read
modern Bibles, and there is room for those who prefer the KJV.
I rather like the idea of belonging to a Christian faith which has
>over 100,000 congregations worldwide that are one flock under Christ.
smirk. You can ASSUME you are "under Christ", but what if he's not
the real Christ?
(he's not)
>
>
>> I'm sure you don't agree with what I'm saying - but we're just gonna
>> have to agree to disagree on this.
>
>
>Again, I think that's healthy. If we all agreed on everything we would
be
>like lemmings. To each their own opinion. One thing I've learned is that
>Jehovah isn't going to strike anyone down for wor****pping Him with
spirit
>and truth provided they believe in their heart of hearts they are
seeking
>the truth.
Such nonsense! I can believe with all my heart in the god of baked
potatoes. However, there is NO indication that the god of baked
potatoes has any POWER to get me from this earth to my final
destination of Heaven.
Likewise, if you are not wor****pping the Real Jesus Christ, you will
wake up one day in a VERY hot place!
No matter how sincere you were!
Likewise, you could go to the local gas station in the dark, thinking
you're filling your gas tank with gas, but if you grab the water hose
by mistake, and you pump 5 gallons of WATER in before you realize your
mistake, and you drive off with WATER, you will still require a new
engine, no matter how sincere your BELIEF.
Each one needs to search their heart. They know if they are
>really doing the best they can.
Nonsense! "If you seek the Truth with all your heart! You will find
it."
If you are following the Watchtower Jesus, it is because you are not
sincere, but because you have OBJECTIONS to the REAL church.
And wor****ping with the Jehovah's Witnesses "because they have over
100,000 congregations, and everyone believes EXACTLY the same", merely
means you are utterly INTOLERANT to sincere differences.
If Joe comes to your church, and he doesn't agree with points 5-17, he
is shown the door.
>
>One thing I want to make clear and that is the Christ that died in
>Calvary -- even if my religious faith has it wrong and the implement of
>death is a cross -- is the same Christ under whom Jehovah's Witnesses
are
>baptized as Christians.
Not true. The Jesus Christ of the Jehovah's Witness is an angel, a
created being.
The Jesus Christ of the Bible is God in flesh.
john w
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"So Much For A Cease-Fire"
3 Raspberries 4 Hezbollah
Hezbollah and the Lebanese (and indeed the entire Arab world)
have been SHRIEKING for 3 weeks for a cease-fire, all the time,
Hezbollah has been lobbing bombs and rockets into populated areas of
Israel FROM HEAVILY POPULATED areas of Lebanon.
The Israeli diplomats have said REPEATEDLY that when Hezbollah loves
their CHILDREN as much as they HATE Israel, there will be PEACE.
Israel finally granted a 48 hour cessation of hostilities so that the
Lebanese could retreat and bury their dead.
What does Hezbolla do?
they wait till there is silence, stillness in the air, and they launch
yet another ATTACK!
There is no honor with Hezbolla, just a desire for Jewish blood, and
LIES piled upon lies!
Long live Israel!
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:29:43 -0400, "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>"colp" <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:44cbef24@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Bill M wrote:
>>> "torresD" <torresd30@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:yXMyg.7039$157.5892@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742779.html
>>>
>>>
>>> All of the Bibles are nothing more than ancient myths and fables.
>>
>> In your mind, perhaps.
>>
>> There is archeological evidence that the historical accounts of the OT
>> are correct.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Archaeology
>
>
>Some of the "historical" accounts may be correct - just as parts of a
movie,
>such as King Kong are real.
>That does NOT - in ANY wayt shape or form validate the entire wprk and
>premise.
That is not a valid argument. Simply because the Bible contains
information related to the religion of the Hebrews, and the religion
of the Christians does not invalidate the historical value of the
whole, which has been do***ented- -and VERIFIED-- numerous times by
numerous sources,
as the link to Wikipedia demonstrates, and which link and its contents
you OBVIOUSLY did not even have the courtesy -- or courage-- to
investigate.
One cannot even prove that he has hands if you refuse to open your
eyes long enough to look at his hands.
>There is NO valid evidence of ANY god,,,,,,,,
Utter, unread, uneducated, unlearned nonsense!
and MANY of the claims in the
>OT have been shown to be TOTALLY false!
rubbish!
The ONLY person you have proved anything to is you!
I am even right now reading a National Geographic text on the topic,
"Everyday Life In Bible Times"
National Geographic is NOT known as a "pro-Christian" "pro-Bible" or
"Pro-Jewish" source, but with THIS tome, they have outdone themselves.
Just one example in the book do***ents an aqueduct, "a water conduit"
that was built by an ancient king (recorded in the Old Testament) in
order to provide water to his fortress city in anticipation of an
assault by an enemy king.
" Not all great finds were made by archeologistrs. On a hot day in
1880, a schoolboy playing near Jerusalem's Old City wandered into a
tunnel, slipped, and splashed into a pool of water. Getting up, he
noticed letters on the wall. They proved to be an inscription telling
how Hezekiah, Biblical king of Judah, cut the tunnel to ensure a water
supply during an Assyrian siege: "The quarrymen hewed the rock, each
man toward his fellow, axe against age," and so hacked the conduit
through. Water still flows in it, and you can travel its course, armed
with flashlight and garbed in hip boots. The Bible, too, tells how
Hezekiah "made a pool, and a conduit, and brought water into the
city.' (II Kings 20:20) "
Everyday Life In Bible Times, Publisher: National Geographic Society
© 1967
2KI 20:20 As for the other events of Hezekiah's reign, all his
achievements and how he made the pool and the tunnel by which he
brought water into the city, are they not written in the book of the
annals of the kings of Judah? 21 Hezekiah rested with his fathers. And
Manasseh his son succeeded him as king. NIV
The aqeduct / conduit was built (it's still there) and it enabled the
king to resist and overcome the attempted invasion.
National Geographic points out that the aqeduct and the city are still
there, and points to the reference to the building of the aqueduct in
the Old Testament. This is just one of NUMEROUS such examples of where
the Bible QUITE ACCURATELY records historical events.
Not only is the Bible history, it also accurately records science.
The TROUBLE arises when silly men-- in an effort to discredit the
Bible (God knows why) attempt to obscure the issues by DELIBERATELY
confusing poetry ("the 4 corners of the earth") with science.
To this day, even weather forecasters use the phrase "the 4 corners of
the earth", and no one accuses them of being "unscientific". However,
when the ancient authors of the Bible use the same metaphors, the
"skeptics" shriek, "that's not SCIENCE!"
It wasn't intended to be!
john w
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the
>>> Bibles
>>> and the bibles are a foundation of quick sand.
>>
>> False. The Bible is a collections of books which include the gospels
and
>> Pauline writings.
>
>A collection of fairy tales (amaturish at best) to make one gigantic
fairy
>tale.
>
>
>>
>> The Ta**** does not include those books.
>>
>> Saying that the bible is the foundation of quick sand is like saying
>> that books are the foundation of quick sand.
>
>Bwahahaaaaaa ........... that's as stupid as sayaing "since King Kong is
>science fiction - ALL movies are science fiction"!
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods.
>>
>> Yes there is. Antagonistic evidence is stronger than sympathetic
>> evidence. There is antagonistic evidence in the Christian doctrines
>> which mirror the doctrines of pagan religions.
>
>Claiming there is evidence is not the same as HAVING valid evidence.
>
>>
>>
>> They are
>>> no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders
motivated
>>> to
>>> impress and control their flock.
>>
>> They are more than that, as they show the cir***stances in which the
>> religious leaders made their errors.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion,
>>> civilization
>>> and morality is the Good Book.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> This is patently ridiculous because the
>>> Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
>>> human
>>> and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
>>> barbarisms, and impossible tales.
>>
>> False. The Bible includes the story of the gospel, which is none of
those.
>
>and your evidence is.....................?
>
>
>>
>> It also conatins much of the basis of western law:
>>
>> Leviticus 9:15 A Judge is not to commit unrighteousness
>> Exodus 3:8 A Judge is not to accept bribes/gifts from litigants
>> Leviticus19:15 A Judge is not to favor (be partial to) a litigant
>
>EVERY law that is supposedly in the bible is NOT original to, or
>indenpendant in, the bible!
>
>You morons act like there was NO social structure and NO social laws
until
>your fairy tale book came along!
>VALID history shows differently.
>
>
>
>>
>>> They are not accurate history and
>>
>> Many OT strcutures have been verified through archaeology.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Archaeology
>>
>>
>>> certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and
totally
>>> untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.
>>
>> Do you think at western law is based on insane and untrustworthy
>> principles?
>
>
>No - nor are they based on the bible - whicvh, you, yourself, admit is
>similar to many other beliefs.
>
>
>(snip a lot)
>
>> You have not show any evidence that this is the case.
>
>NO ONE HAS EVER shown any VALID evidence of a god, the biblical god,
that
>the bible is the "word" of this fabricated god or anything else
"spiritual"
>in the "christian" religion!
>
>All they have ever done is, like you, claim that their religious fairy
tales
>and fantasies are the equivalent of the center of the universe and time.
>
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:44:52 +1200, colp <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>Bill M wrote:
>> "torresD" <torresd30@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:yXMyg.7039$157.5892@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742779.html
>>
>>
>> All of the Bibles are nothing more than ancient myths and fables.
>
>In your mind, perhaps.
>
>There is archeological evidence that the historical accounts of the OT
>are correct.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Archaeology
To whomever, thanks for the link! I've been looking for this for quite
some time! I may have some information to add!
John w
>
>>
>>
>> The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the
Bibles
>> and the bibles are a foundation of quick sand.
>
>False. The Bible is a collections of books which include the gospels and
>Pauline writings.
>
>The Ta**** does not include those books.
>
>Saying that the bible is the foundation of quick sand is like saying
>that books are the foundation of quick sand.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods.
>
>Yes there is. Antagonistic evidence is stronger than sympathetic
>evidence. There is antagonistic evidence in the Christian doctrines
>which mirror the doctrines of pagan religions.
>
>
> They are
>> no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders
motivated to
>> impress and control their flock.
>
>They are more than that, as they show the cir***stances in which the
>religious leaders made their errors.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion,
civilization
>> and morality is the Good Book.
>
>Yes.
>
> This is patently ridiculous because the
>> Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human
>> and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
>> barbarisms, and impossible tales.
>
>False. The Bible includes the story of the gospel, which is none of
those.
>
>It also conatins much of the basis of western law:
>
>Leviticus 9:15 A Judge is not to commit unrighteousness
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