>
>>
>>>
>>>Yet another reason why I don't let my kids read "christian"
newsgroups.
>>>
>>>Jani
>>>
>>>
>>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:d0skc25n87ioion6vnrhb2p5rt0tee75dl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:30:27 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>>>***ually inappropriate comments duly noted and archived:
>>>>>July 28,2006
>>>>
>>>> delusions of self-im****tance by one Elaine Merle Matthews noted and
>>>> archived.
>>>>
>>>> (like, who gives a ****, Elaine?)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:05:58 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:18:00 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>>>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>>>>>>author
>>>>>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:17:06 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Elaine, get help, while it is still voluntary!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I mean, when the right / (wrong) people see a few HUNDRED of your
>>>>>>>>psychotic ravings and rantings in here, you rae going to be
locked up
>>>>>>>>for a VERY long time!
>>>>>>>post your ridiculous, retarded idle rants somewhere else, old man
>>>>>>>weatherless. You don't frighten me one iota.
>>>>>>>You're a joke.
>>>>>>>So are your opinions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now be quiet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go warm up your vibrator, darlin',
>>>>>>be sure the batteries are fresh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and then have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(You must have the strongest wrists in Canada. You know! From all
that
>>>>>>vibrator action! )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>In article <k02nc29k0paig34ttj25uodto66ftrtcrg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:47:25 GMT, John Wesley Asquith
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> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >Sure, you bet. Just like they saw an op****tunity for sweeping regime
>> >change in Afghanistan, Iraq and are now focusing on Iran and Syria.
>> >Not to mention the mess they've got with North Korea and Pakistan.
>> >
>> >Bush should have been impeached long ago for the felonies he has
>> >committed
>>
>> chuckle.
>>
>> So when are you going to discuss Clinton's TREASON?
>>
>> Yes, TREASON.
>>
>> He OPENLY accepted ILLEGAL campaign contributions from two of our
>> nation's mortal ENEMIES, North Korea and Red China! (we got it on
>> videotape, remember?) The ONLY thing that kept Clinton and AlGore out
>> of federal prison was one of the most LEFT wing Congresses in US
>> history!
>>
>> But go ahead and PRETEND to be outraged!
>>
>> Did you remember that Clinton was ORDERED by Congress (the same
>> assembly that IMPEACHED Nixon, you may recall) to turn over crucial
>> do***ents (some 100 do***ents REMAIN MISSING TO THIS DAY!)
>
>>
>> Why was Clinton NEVER IMPEACHED FOR CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS, a FELONY
>> that REQUIRES IMPEACHMENT?
>>
>> I think some are too quick to impeach Republicans for SNEEZING, and
>> too eager to dismiss Presidential ABUSES if the Prez happens to be a
>> Lefty.
>
>Damn, you must be on some strong medication to believe all that.
Unlike some (read YOU), I am a news HOUND. I was sitting watching 4
networks and cable news when you were out barfing your beer at the
local s****ts pub.
john w
And I don't need to "do***ent" THAT any more than I need to "do***ent"
the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11. Some of this stuff is
PURE COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
So pull your head out!
;-)
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>larry4355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>>
>>> We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>>> both a liar, and a fraud.
>>>
>>> You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>>> whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>>
>> You may want to take the log out of your own eye first.
>
>warry, that's a labret in her eyebrow!
What's wrong, Jimmy? Did the last hooker you kissed bite your tongue
off?
>ujb
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author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>
>>
>>We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>>both a liar, and a fraud.
>>
>>You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>>whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>
>You may want to take the log out of your own eye first.
tsk tsk
Now now, Larry! (shaking my index finger VIGOROUSLY in your face)
Elaine is PERFECT, donchano?
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:05:38 -0400, "bam"
><mcca5761@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Medication time doc?
>
>
>The only med I need and am on is that for my arthritis,
lol!!
rotfl!!
There she goes, diagnosing herself again!
tsk tsk
but thank you
>for reminding me...
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><NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>
>>
>> We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>> both a liar, and a fraud.
>>
>> You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>> whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>
>Medication time doc?
>
lol!
Sadly, bam, she isn't on any meds! Nor is Jim Agar!
Nor is Scout Lady, nor is CB
>BAM
>
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:39:56 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>larry4355@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:40:13 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and
you're
>>>>> both a liar, and a fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in
you
>>>>> whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>>>>
>>>> So, Christians are perfect or they aren't Christian, huh? Maybe
what
>>>> he is showing are the LEAST of his faults that God is helping him
>>>> change....
>>>
>>> PK
>>> If you stick around long enough, you will see an on going battle
>>> between these two. It has been going on for years.
>>> I do not agree with either one of them in the fighting they both do.
>>> They both claim to be born again Christians, but in my opinion, they
>>> are giving Christianity a bad name. And also, neither one of them
want
>>> to be the first to call a truce. And neither one of them can ignore
>>> the other.
>>> Just thought you might want to know this info.
>>
>>warry, isn't that what is known as gossiping? Would a Christian gossip
>>with a stranger, I didn't think so until you emailed sweet sweet for
>>dirt on Doc!
>>ujb
>>
>
>
>Is it gossip when summarizing what is posted on USENET for all to
>read?
PK, just a note on Jim Agar (Lt Col US Army JAG Corp, meaning he
claims to be an army LAWYER.)
And should you doubt that, look up "Jim Agar" on your favorite search
engine. I used Yahoo. If he's the Jim Agar he claims to be, he's an
Army Lt Col.
He is one who is ONLY here to start fights.
Any time he sees you being friendly to ANYONE (me in particular),
he'll side up to you and tell you why you should hate me.
Rather than "peacemaker", Jim is one of the resident psychos.
"A word of warning should suffice..."
john w
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:40:13 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>>
>>>
>>>We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>>>both a liar, and a fraud.
>>>
>>>You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>>>whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>>
>>
>>So, Christians are perfect or they aren't Christian, huh? Maybe what
>>he is showing are the LEAST of his faults that God is helping him
>>change....
>
>PK
>If you stick around long enough, you will see an on going battle
>between these two. It has been going on for years.
>I do not agree with either one of them in the fighting they both do.
>They both claim to be born again Christians, but in my opinion, they
>are giving Christianity a bad name. And also, neither one of them want
>to be the first to call a truce. And neither one of them can ignore
>the other.
>Just thought you might want to know this info.
Now, Larry!
I guess you have missed it, but if you were to check with some of the
HONEST old-timers in here, in the past 2 years, I have offered Elaine
at LEAST THREE (3) separate truces.
Only when I set conditions.. (last time it was, "no talking TO me, no
talking ABOUT me") she went BALLISTIC.
"YOU DON"T CONTROL ME!"
Now you can apologize! You SHOULD have said, "as far as I know",
neither wants to offer a truce!
I HAVE offered a truce. MORE than one! Elaine spent a MONTH talking
about how "phony" my truce was.
At LEAST I offered!
The twice Elaine "offered a truce" there was no MENTION of FORGIVENESS
or REPENTANCE. She merely said, "we're going to drop the whole thing
and start fresh!"
I said, "no." I have apologized. YOU apologize!
Elaine replied, "No!" and there it died.
Ask Scout!
She even commended me and said, "However, Elaine is too psychotic to
keep up her end!"
John
>
>May God bless you,
>Larry
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:46:07 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:40:13 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>>>>both a liar, and a fraud.
>>>>
>>>>You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>>>>whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>>>
>>>
>>>So, Christians are perfect or they aren't Christian, huh? Maybe what
>>>he is showing are the LEAST of his faults that God is helping him
>>>change....
>>
>>Welcome to the Baptist group, newcomer.
>> OBVIOUSLY, you do not know John D. Weatherly, or hid habits and
>>rotten demeanor.
>> I've been here for ten years, and noticed you arrive only a few days
>>ago... so do you presume to tell me about knowing him, and his
>>presumed 'changing'???
>> Ask nearly anyone here, and they will tell you the same thing.
>> Weatherless is a miserable, lying, cowardly, argumentative, violent,
>>lazy individual.
>>
>
>
>But maybe he's given up overeating, smoking, exhibitionism,
>wife-abuse, burglary, and maybe a host of other things, and God hasn't
>convicted him of lying, cowardess, arguing, violence and laziness yet.
lol!
rotfl!!
As it is, I've stopped raping and pillaging and plundering and
murdering and robbing banks and selling heroin!
Give a guy some credit!
And I've cut back on my "stable" and now, instead of keeping 25
prostitutes (where I get my $$$), I only have 5 now!
;-)
PK & AMM, I LOVE your SOH!
It matches mine NICELY!
You TRULY get irony!
However... I'm afraid :-( that Elaine (the object of your
remarks/humor) doesn't get... irony.
Nice try!
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:40:13 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:25:03 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>>>
>>>
>>>We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>>>both a liar, and a fraud.
>>>
>>>You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>>>whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
>>
>>
>>So, Christians are perfect or they aren't Christian, huh? Maybe what
>>he is showing are the LEAST of his faults that God is helping him
>>change....
>
>Welcome to the Baptist group, newcomer.
> OBVIOUSLY, you do not know John D. Weatherly, or hid habits and
>rotten demeanor.
> I've been here for ten years, and noticed you arrive only a few days
>ago... so do you presume to tell me about knowing him, and his
>presumed 'changing'???
> Ask nearly anyone here, and they will tell you the same thing.
> Weatherless is a miserable, lying, cowardly, argumentative, violent,
>lazy individual.
>
>Have a pleasant day.
As Dr Phil put it just the other day (Wednesday I believe), you are
projecting the things about YOU you HATE onto me!
;-)
And I LOVE how you hedged with "nearly anyone..." since you KNOW that
there are some relatively healthy people in here (Larry for one) who
Don't think I'm miserable, lying, cowardly, etc.
Those ARE your traits, however!
you know it, and everyone else knows it!
But God loves you, and so do I!
(I bet you can't even say you love me, so filled with psychotic hate
you are)
Because you ARE REQUIRED to LOVE me in Jesus, like I love YOU in
Jesus!
;-)
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:34:10 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>
>>Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian.
>
>
>We know you 'claim' to be --- but then, we also know you- and you're
>both a liar, and a fraud.
You are projecting yet again!
And you DARE to jump in and attack me when I am trying to minister to
someone!
You should be in a straight-jacket, and I imagine a VERY hot
destination for you!
john w
>
>You are a hate-filled swine with NO real Christian attributes in you
>whatsoever, and you're a total disgrace to real Christianity.
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:14:05 +1200, colp <colp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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author
>john w wrote:
>
>> Hmmmmm.. I (John Weatherly) claim to be a Christian. If you have been
>> following, "colp" makes no such claim.
>>
>> So your comment is a wee bit ( = ) confusing.
>>
>> I do not believe I am "bickering with a fellow Christian."
>>
>
>Fair enough.
>
>> Jesus and the apostles (notably Paul) who I follow (try to, anyway)
>> said we were to expose the false teachers and anti-Christs and demons
>> (Gal 1 and other sources)
>
>I think this doctrine only comes from Paul.
>Jesus did say that there would be anti-messaihs though.
As I have REPEATEDLY said, I try studiously to avoid "engaging"
nonbelievers, particularly "arrogant" ones (those who have no interest
whatever in converting).
HOWEVER, to clarify the point, Paul spelled it out (Gal 1 and other
passages), and Jesus was CONSTANTLY confronting the Pharisees, who
frequently HECKLED Him.
He was CONSTANTLY pointing to their teachings and calling them
"false." He cleansed the temple TWICE, running the money changers, in
FULL VIEW of the Pharisees, who fully APPROVED of the activities in
the temple that day.
Yes, Jesus OPENLY opposed the Pharisees, and it got Him assassinated!
>
>>
>> Which is what I am doing.
>
>Fine, as I hold that Paul was a lying Pharisee.
That is your privilege, but so long as you attack one of the founding
fathers, expect me to resist you, and to call you what I believe you
are, a lying demoniac.
>Romans 3:7 was not a hypothetical question.
Sure, it was. Hence, your title, "liar."
>
>>
>> I sincerely believe from his own comments that colp is a demon. (there
>> are several in here, to be conservative))
>>
>> I am calling him out.
>
>O.K. fine
So, you admit it! Demoniac!
>
>>
>> If he is not a demon, he certainly is behaving like one. (denying ALL
>> the teachings of Christianity and the Bible)
>
>Here are two teachings which I do not deny:
>
>Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
>This is the first and great commandment.
>Matthew 22:38
>
>For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
>tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
>Matthew 5:18
And if you are going to quote the Bible, kindly use a modern version.
As I've told dozens before you, the KJV crosses my eyes. (I am one of
many who find the KJV "gibberish")
If you will not quote a modern version (there are MANY), I will not
respond to you.
john w
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:42:38 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>
>>Like, "John said he got a Dishonorable Discharge!"
>
>
>Not what I said, but nice try, liar-johnniekins!!
uh huh! Sure, you didn't!
;-)
liar-Elaine!
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> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:37:20 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
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>> author
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:28:58 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't keep up!
>>>
>>> Could you EVER?
>>> Somehow, I doubt it, weatherless!
>>
>> Who cares? Elaineevenless!
>>
>> john w
>
>Poor poor stupid! ;)
Poor poor stupider!
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>"PK & AMM" <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>snip
>>
>> Sometimes I imagine there is no afterlife.... and if not, there is no
>> reason to be anything other than selfish.
>>
>> hmmmm... maybe that explains something about some people.....
>
>I hate to say what that says about you. Why do you require a carrot on
a
>stick to be a good person?
We all do, to some extent. You're just not honest enough to admit it!
Don't tell me or anyone else that the Speed Limit signs that say "60
MPH" don't stop you from driving 80 MPH!
And don't tell me you don't drive 80 MPH ANYWAY if you think no one's
looking!
but, you KNEW that!
;-)
If there's no payoff in the "afterlife", you
>feel entitled to behave like a selfish asshole?
>
>That's pathetic.
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Subject: Re: True Christian Fundamentalists do not Impose their Beliefs
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:51:22 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
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> wrote:
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:44:21 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:54:51 +0930, Michael Gray
>><fleetg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:17:16 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>wrote:
>>> - Refer: <1jakc29c8j44b7777suhn9ijsj8emolu20@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>On 26 Jul 2006 16:05:11 -0700, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible,
and
>>>>>acquire a little common sense in the process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perfectly nice isn't the criteria for eternity with God.
>>>
>>>No, an infantile imagination is required.
>>
>>Not necessarily, although faith is so simple a child can believe.
>
>It's an excuse not a reason.
Not true.
You as an adult go to the wall switch when it grows dark BECAUSE YEARS
of experience have taught you that when you flip that switch, the
lights come on. After YEARS of good experiences, you have FAITH that
that switch will CONTINUE to turn the lights on when you need them.
See? YOu have FAITH!!
After YEARS of successful interaction with God (answered prayers,
miraculous events, divine, unexplained healings), we have FAITH that
such interactions with God will CONTINUE to be positive and fruitful.
You try to turn the complete lack of a
>reason into a virtue but it fools nobody but yourself.
Funny stuff! Do you write your own material?
Your "quip" does not explain the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of happy,
satisfied, miracle-experiencing, fulfilled Christians in the world
today!
If you think that only ONE person in this world believes in God and in
His Christ, YOU are fooling yourself!
;-)
>
>>Sometimes I imagine there is no afterlife.... and if not, there is no
>>reason to be anything other than selfish.
>
>Don't be so ****ing stupid
Same to you!
And you MIGHT just practice some TOLERANCE! You want Christians to!
Hypocrite!
Gee, whiz! Think how DULL the world would be with 3 or 4 or 5 BILLION
JUST EXACTLY LIKE you!
- twice over in that sentence. But thank
>you for telling us how amoral you are that you need a threat/reward to
>make you behave decently towards others.
Oh, come now! That argument is so old, it's moldy!
Do you mean to tell us that if the speed limit was not MARKED " 60
MPH", that you wouldn't drive 80 MPH?
Do you mean that when it's 3 AM and you are the only one on the street
in your car for MILES, that you don't look in all 4 directions and
then drive through that red light, HOPING a cop isn't hiding, waiting
for you?
You are a LIAR!
>
>>hmmmm... maybe that explains something about some people.....
>
>Yet another ignorant lying theists amateur-psychologising his own
>strawmen in order to come up with more nastiness.
Hmmmmmm. Funny! I haven't read any nastiness from him! Only stuff
about VALUES and RIGHT and WRONG!
come to think of it, that "values" stuff IS NASTY!
I wonder-- in the long run-- who contributes more? The Christians who
keep the charities afloat, or the atheists, who don't care (and have
no reason to care).
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:44:21 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:54:51 +0930, Michael Gray
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>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:17:16 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>wrote:
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>>>On 26 Jul 2006 16:05:11 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible, and
>>>>acquire a little common sense in the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>Perfectly nice isn't the criteria for eternity with God.
>>
>>No, an infantile imagination is required.
>
>Not necessarily, although faith is so simple a child can believe.
>
>Sometimes I imagine there is no afterlife.... and if not, there is no
>reason to be anything other than selfish.
Well said.
Too many point to the "threat of hell", and totally IGNORE the promise
of Heaven!
As well as LOTS of fun in this life!
>
>hmmmm... maybe that explains something about some people.....
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:17:16 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On 26 Jul 2006 16:05:11 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible, and
>>>acquire a little common sense in the process.
>>
>>
>>Perfectly nice isn't the criteria for eternity with God.
>
>No, an infantile imagination is required.
It's amazing, to quote Paul Harvey, how some live so many years on
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>On 26 Jul 2006 16:05:11 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible, and
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>Perfectly nice isn't the criteria for eternity with God.
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>On 26 Jul 2006 16:50:19 -0700, "jes" <jxsias@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>
>>Neil Kelsey wrote:
>>> jes wrote:
>>> > In a previous posting I described a fundamentalist (Christian) as
>>> > someone who believes in some of the fundamental aspects of
Scripture:
>>> > creation, sin, redemption, the gospel and Christ's second coming. I
>>> > realize that there are different theological arguments in regards
to
>>> > each of these fundamental beliefs. However, I believe that the most
>>> > fundamental and basic belief of goodness, is often overlooked and
>>> > neglected; buried under argument after argument and criticism after
>>> > criticism. The Word of God is all about goodness; the goodness of
God
>>> > working through man through His Spirit. This is where many
proclaimed
>>> > Christians are faltering. They have failed to recognize that their
>>> > lives should reflect God goodness and God's character. Sadly many
>>> > Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the
moral
>>> > police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
>>> > self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better
than
>>> > thou" views on others. They have turned their hearts away from God
and
>>> > as a result they are losing their ability to share the gospel with
the
>>> > aid of God's Holy Spirit. They have chosen to take it upon
themselves
>>> > to do the conviction and judging and how they fall short!! They are
>>> > willing to sacrifice God's goodness for power. We should do
ourselves a
>>> > favor and get back to the basics and the fundamentals of goodness
and
>>> > love.
>>>
>>> Why are you telling this to atheists?
>>
>>I dont always agree with what athiests say or believe but im always
>>interested in what they say and believe. Sometimes they are right more
>>often than what many Christians give them credit for.
>
>How does t hat answer his question, moron?
I understood him. Why didn't YOU?
:-)
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> wrote:
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>
>Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> jes wrote:
>> > In a previous posting I described a fundamentalist (Christian) as
>> > someone who believes in some of the fundamental aspects of
Scripture:
>> > creation, sin, redemption, the gospel and Christ's second coming. I
>> > realize that there are different theological arguments in regards to
>> > each of these fundamental beliefs. However, I believe that the most
>> > fundamental and basic belief of goodness, is often overlooked and
>> > neglected; buried under argument after argument and criticism after
>> > criticism. The Word of God is all about goodness; the goodness of
God
>> > working through man through His Spirit. This is where many
proclaimed
>> > Christians are faltering. They have failed to recognize that their
>> > lives should reflect God goodness and God's character. Sadly many
>> > Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the
moral
>> > police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
>> > self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
>> > thou" views on others. They have turned their hearts away from God
and
>> > as a result they are losing their ability to share the gospel with
the
>> > aid of God's Holy Spirit. They have chosen to take it upon
themselves
>> > to do the conviction and judging and how they fall short!! They are
>> > willing to sacrifice God's goodness for power. We should do
ourselves a
>> > favor and get back to the basics and the fundamentals of goodness
and
>> > love.
>>
>> Why are you telling this to atheists?
>
>I dont always agree with what athiests say or believe but im always
>interested in what they say and believe. Sometimes they are right more
>often than what many Christians give them credit for.
>
>>
>> > Study the Word of God and let it pierce OUR OWN hearts! Then can
>> > we better understand how to share with others the goodness of God. A
>> > true fundamental Christian believer does not impose his belief on
>> > anyone, he does not have the need or desire to force others to God
or
>> > God on others. He simply does not see himself any better off than
>> > anyone else.
>>
>> You guys sure spend a lot of time arguing about what a "true believer"
>> is.
>
>Unfortunately your right, Christians sometimes seem to be the most
>forgetful and misguided people on the planet when it comes to God and
>His Word. There is much arguing because there is little faith and much
>misunderstanding. I hope this can change.
Then again, there are also many who masquerade as Christians who don't
even have the basics down.
Jesus and Peter and Paul warned us about that and them, and told us to
weed them out!
Part of the arguing is trying to come to terms with whether
disagreements are minor or significant.
And if you read the Bible in some depth, arguing was recorded on
numerous occasions in the Bible.
What would you call Jesus' sharp remark to Peter about, "Get behind
me, SATAN!" if not an argument?
Several disciples (apostles) came to Jesus one day and asked rather
arrogantly, "we've been discussing amongst ourselves who will sit on
your right hand when we get to heaven? Will it be ME? or Peter? or
perhaps Andrew?"
Jesus rebuked the disciple. "The one who would be first in HEAVEN must
be LEAST on earth!"
He also said,
"Do NOT go to a feast and take a seat at the head table, where a
servant may come with word from the Master of the house that you must
move and take a seat at the table by the door.
INSTEAD, take a seat at the table next to the exit door, and have the
Master send the servant to GET you and seat you at the head table!"
john w
>>
>> > I realize that there are those who do not agree with this point of
>> > view. Your feedback is welcome. This is not intended to criticize
those
>> > who do not hold Biblical beliefs or to impose religion on anyone.
>> > Hopefully I can do my part to clarify what has been happening to the
>> > fundamental Christianity to the best of my knowledge and ability.
>>
>> You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible, and
>> acquire a little common sense in the process.
>
>I appreciate your thoughts!
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wrote:
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>
>jes wrote:
>> In a previous posting I described a fundamentalist (Christian) as
>> someone who believes in some of the fundamental aspects of Scripture:
>> creation, sin, redemption, the gospel and Christ's second coming. I
>> realize that there are different theological arguments in regards to
>> each of these fundamental beliefs. However, I believe that the most
>> fundamental and basic belief of goodness, is often overlooked and
>> neglected; buried under argument after argument and criticism after
>> criticism. The Word of God is all about goodness; the goodness of God
>> working through man through His Spirit. This is where many proclaimed
>> Christians are faltering. They have failed to recognize that their
>> lives should reflect God goodness and God's character. Sadly many
>> Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
>> police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
>> self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
>> thou" views on others. They have turned their hearts away from God and
>> as a result they are losing their ability to share the gospel with the
>> aid of God's Holy Spirit. They have chosen to take it upon themselves
>> to do the conviction and judging and how they fall short!! They are
>> willing to sacrifice God's goodness for power. We should do ourselves
a
>> favor and get back to the basics and the fundamentals of goodness and
>> love.
>
>Why are you telling this to atheists?
Who knows? there might just be a Christian or two lurking in here!
;-)
>
>> Study the Word of God and let it pierce OUR OWN hearts! Then can
>> we better understand how to share with others the goodness of God. A
>> true fundamental Christian believer does not impose his belief on
>> anyone, he does not have the need or desire to force others to God or
>> God on others. He simply does not see himself any better off than
>> anyone else.
>
>You guys sure spend a lot of time arguing about what a "true believer"
>is.
>
>> I realize that there are those who do not agree with this point of
>> view. Your feedback is welcome. This is not intended to criticize
those
>> who do not hold Biblical beliefs or to impose religion on anyone.
>> Hopefully I can do my part to clarify what has been happening to the
>> fundamental Christianity to the best of my knowledge and ability.
>
>You can be a perfectly nice person without clinging to the bible, and
>acquire a little common sense in the process.
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> wrote:
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>In a previous posting I described a fundamentalist (Christian) as
>someone who believes in some of the fundamental aspects of Scripture:
>creation, sin, redemption, the gospel and Christ's second coming. I
>realize that there are different theological arguments in regards to
>each of these fundamental beliefs. However, I believe that the most
>fundamental and basic belief of goodness, is often overlooked and
>neglected; buried under argument after argument and criticism after
>criticism. The Word of God is all about goodness; the goodness of God
>working through man through His Spirit. This is where many proclaimed
>Christians are faltering. They have failed to recognize that their
>lives should reflect God goodness and God's character. Sadly many
>Christians have gotten caught up in being moral authorities (the moral
>police) exercising a spirit of intolerance and/or arrogant
>self-righteousness and resort to impose and force their "better than
>thou" views on others. They have turned their hearts away from God and
>as a result they are losing their ability to share the gospel with the
>aid of God's Holy Spirit. They have chosen to take it upon themselves
>to do the conviction and judging and how they fall short!! They are
>willing to sacrifice God's goodness for power. We should do ourselves a
>favor and get back to the basics and the fundamentals of goodness and
>love. Study the Word of God and let it pierce OUR OWN hearts! Then can
>we better understand how to share with others the goodness of God. A
>true fundamental Christian believer does not impose his belief on
>anyone, he does not have the need or desire to force others to God or
>God on others. He simply does not see himself any better off than
>anyone else.
>I realize that there are those who do not agree with this point of
>view. Your feedback is welcome. This is not intended to criticize those
>who do not hold Biblical beliefs or to impose religion on anyone.
>Hopefully I can do my part to clarify what has been happening to the
>fundamental Christianity to the best of my knowledge and ability.
Well said!
I discovered this truth years ago, and shared it during my seminary
time. I was talking with a professor between cl*****, and I said
something like, " I am afraid too many Christians do the Mike Warnke
thing, where they beat others to a pulp with a 25 lb Scofield Bible
and then pry their mouths open to shove it down the throat sideways!"
The prof agreed. "Do you have a solution?" he asked me. (a pop quiz)
I said, "in my studies, I find Paul makes an excellent-- if brief --
point. Paul said, "ALWAYS be ready with an ANSWER for the hope that
is within you."
The word "answer" that Paul uses here suggests that someone has asked
a question about my faith. That "opened door" is implicit permission
for me to expound.
Before I get that question, that implicit/explicit permission, I can
assume that I am NOT "welcome' to expound, that the person(s) I am
with is not necessarily interested in my views.
Certainly seek every "op****tunity" to present the gospel; both "in
season" and "not in season." But don't force it.
One of the things I learned in several evangelism courses was to not
"leave the other person with a bad taste in their mouths" regarding
"pushy, arrogant" Christians.
If you can't gently lead the person to a relation****p with our Lord,
at LEAST leave the door open for the next person.
Remember, one plants, one prunes, another waters, someone else weeds,
and then the Lord reaps the harvest in His good time.
Be a planter, be a prune, be a waterer, be a weeder. Do not expect to
always be there for the harvest!
;-)
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>"The Usher" <The_Money_Collector@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O*
*R*
>>
>> *Repost from Bob*
>>
>> Hello. I was wondering how apologists for Christianity respond to
the
>> Bible story in Matthew 27:52-53
>>
>> http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/27.html
>>
>> Which says;
>> When Jesus was resurrected "the graves were opened and many bodies
of
>> the
>> saints which slept arose, and came out of their graves after his
>> resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
>>
>> What did they do when they went to town? Why isn't there any Roman
record
>> of
>> this since having a bunch of dead people climb out of their graves
and
>> walk around town and who were seen by many would have gotten the
>> attention of the Romans! Are these living dead still on earth? What
>> happened to them? Where did they go? Did they die again?
>>
>> To me, this kind of nonsense is insulting to God. Give him a
break!
>
>Well for one thing unless those that arose wanted those that knew them
when
>they were alive, they would not know it was them by just looking.
Talk about uneducated, ill-informed SPECULATION!
You don't even know the Old Testament well enough to know that those
who were raised from the dead were REQUIRED by Jewish law (Mosaic) to
go to the High Priests for purification.
(it was considered ritually unclean to touch / be among/around any
dead animal)
And you're a "Spirit-taught" scholar?
right!
Firstly
>the dead friends and relatives certainly would not be *expecting* to see
>someone that has been dead for awhile. There can also a case be made
that
>when the dead are resurrected that they no longer look as they did in
life:
>If you saw someone you had not known when they were living, and they
were
>brought back to life and passed you on the street, you would not think
>anything of it; because of your not knowing them to you it would just be
>another regular person.
>
>Acts 1:3 To whom also he showed himself alive after his passion by many
>infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the
things
>pertaining to the kingdom of God:
>
>Having eaten and walked with Jesus for years, would you not think that
they
>would know him *on site*? If his physical appearance were changed by
his
>glorious resurrection he look different and else why would those that
knew
>him on site need to be shown many infallible proofs for them to believe
he
>was the same man they had seen night and day for years?
>
>13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them,
>Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have
laid
>him.
>14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus
>standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
>
>this also makes a case for Jesus having a different physical appearance;
>because she did not know it was him by just looking at him.
>
>15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou?
She,
>supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have
borne
>him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
>16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him,
>Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
>
>This would go to show that she knew his voice but that he didn't look
the
>same. The bible also says that when we are resurrected we receive a
new
>body.
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Subject: Re: WHY WOULD ISRAEL FIRE ON UN OBSERVERS?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:38:52 -0700
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:00:10 -0700, "iceman" <iceman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>WHY WOULD ISRAEL FIRE ON UN OBSERVERS?
>
>
>
>http://judicial-inc.biz/israelis_firing_on_un_observers.htm
>
Maybe they weren't actually UN observers?
Like when the UN observers during the Gulf War of the 90s were
REQUIRING the inspectors to give the UN 3 days advance notice of any
site they chose to inspect. The UN observers then told Iraq when and
where the inspectors would show up.
It became VERY obvious that the inspectors were ONLY allowed to
"inspect" with ADVANCE warning of 3 DAYS!
Every time the inspectors ATTEMPTED a surprise, unannounced
inspection, they were turned away at the point of a gun!
;-)
(if you're going to tell it, tell the TRUTH!)
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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:43:19 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:11:30 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They can't keep a person off the net if they have a good solicitor!
:)
>>>> ujb
>>>
>>>
>>> Ujie ---------- did s***bag weatherless try to have your account
>>> terminated?
>>>
>>> I HOPE for his own good, he did not ....
>>
>>I was on dial up for about 28 days. Check my postings from june until
now.
>>ujie
>
>I hardly saw any -- I wondered where U went.
> Welcome back :o)
Now let's see if Elaine apologies to John Weatherly for the false --
PARANOID -- DELUSIONAL -- accusation.
I'm betting she won't bother.
She's not that nice, and she's not Christian, either.
;-)
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Subject: Re: John Wolf (BJ): This One Is Just For You... And You Need
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:50:35 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>God HATES liars
>
>
>When do YOU plan to stop YOUR lies, weatherless?
I see you couldn't even keep your potato hole out of a short PRIVATE
comment to Bible John, Elaine Matthewsevenless,
you psycho ATTENTION WHORE!
smirk!
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Subject: Re: Bush and Blair See An Op****tunity for Sweeping Mideast
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> wrote:
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>Sure, you bet. Just like they saw an op****tunity for sweeping regime
>change in Afghanistan, Iraq and are now focusing on Iran and Syria.
>Not to mention the mess they've got with North Korea and Pakistan.
>
>Bush should have been impeached long ago for the felonies he has
>committed
chuckle.
So when are you going to discuss Clinton's TREASON?
Yes, TREASON.
He OPENLY accepted ILLEGAL campaign contributions from two of our
nation's mortal ENEMIES, North Korea and Red China! (we got it on
videotape, remember?) The ONLY thing that kept Clinton and AlGore out
of federal prison was one of the most LEFT wing Congresses in US
history!
;-)
But go ahead and PRETEND to be outraged!
Did you remember that Clinton was ORDERED by Congress (the same
assembly that IMPEACHED Nixon, you may recall) to turn over crucial
do***ents (some 100 do***ents REMAIN MISSING TO THIS DAY!)
Why was Clinton NEVER IMPEACHED FOR CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS, a FELONY
that REQUIRES IMPEACHMENT?
I think some are too quick to impeach Republicans for SNEEZING, and
too eager to dismiss Presidential ABUSES if the Prez happens to be a
Lefty.
Clinton also said that the Executive Order had been SEVERELY abused by
his predecessors (read Reagan and George Bush the I), Clinton "doesn't
believe in Executive Orders, and would not issue ANY"), and before he
left office, the LIAR had written more Executive Orders than Reagan
and George Bush COMBINED!
;-)
Kindly restrict this political crap to the political groups!
(yes, he has violated entrenched federal law and abused the
>Constitution galore). Except for the Republican goons being in power
>and aligned with the right-wing-religious-wackos he would have been
>impeached too. Just wait until November. Things will change.
>
>And once Bush would be impeached, Blair would be booted out by his own
>party in Parliament. Sad us, we have to wait for the op****tunity that
>comes only once each 4 years. Alas!
>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:31:51 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:52:04 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> snip
>>>> Again, Elaine, darling, I find it truly frightening (in the worst
>>>> possible way), that you are SO obsessed with my every word that you
>>>> will PRETEND to know absolutely everything about me.
>>>>
>>>> Which SUGGESTS VERY BLATANTLY that you have been STALKING me for
>>>> YEARS.
>>>>
>>>> ( a felony, by the way)
>>> LOL - Oh, get over yourself. You posted all this stuff publically
>>
>> All WHAT stuff, Elaine?
>>
>> Even if I HAVE posted stuff here and there for the past 10 years, for
>> someone like you or like Jimmy here to go and research EVERY LAST
>> TEEEEEENSY bit of it, and then EXAGGERATE it 1,0000 times for their
>> AMUSEMENT...
>>
>>
>> that's not just psychotic. it's illegal!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> and it
>>> doesn't take a genius to find it.
>>
>> Of course it doesn't! If it took a GENIUS, you would know, and Jimmy
>> the mental midget wouldn't know!
>
>"Midget" is disparaging, please call me a "weatherly".
Watch your mouth, you bigot!
I have several friends who are height challenged.
I said "mental midget."
And you CONTINUE to prove daily that you are a racist!
-------------------- ARCHIVED -------------------
>
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> It's not anyone's fault but your own that
>>> you have diarrhea of the mouth.
>>
>> And yet, you keep reading my "diarrhea".
>>
>> chuckle.
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:08:22 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>x-no-archive: yes
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:52:04 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>author
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>snip
>>>
>>> Again, Elaine, darling, I find it truly frightening (in the worst
>>> possible way), that you are SO obsessed with my every word that you
>>> will PRETEND to know absolutely everything about me.
>>>
>>> Which SUGGESTS VERY BLATANTLY that you have been STALKING me for
>>> YEARS.
>>>
>>> ( a felony, by the way)
>>
>>LOL - Oh, get over yourself. You posted all this stuff publically
>
>All WHAT stuff, Elaine?
>
>Even if I HAVE posted stuff here and there for the past 10 years, for
>someone like you or like Jimmy here to go and research EVERY LAST
>TEEEEEENSY bit of it, and then EXAGGERATE it 1,0000 times for their
>AMUSEMENT...
>
>
>that's not just psychotic. it's illegal!
>
>;-)
>
> and it
>>doesn't take a genius to find it.
>
>Of course it doesn't! If it took a GENIUS, you would know, and Jimmy
>the mental midget wouldn't know!
typo.
should have been:
Of course it doesn't! If it took a GENIUS, you wouldn't know, and
Jimmy, the mental midget wouldn't know!
>;-)
>
> It's not anyone's fault but your own that
>>you have diarrhea of the mouth.
>
>And yet, you keep reading my "diarrhea".
>
>chuckle.
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:59:57 -0700
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:33:54 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:40:52 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>> john w wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:36:06 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:35:08 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Having been in the position of the employer interviewing on many
an
>>>>>> occasion, had I been the employer, that would have been the end of
>>>>>> your interview.
>>>>> DREAM ON, old boy!
>>>>>
>>>>> D-R-E-A-M O-N!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>>>
>>>> Again, Elaine, darling, I find it truly frightening (in the worst
>>>> possible way), that you are SO obsessed with my every word that you
>>>> will PRETEND to know absolutely everything about me.
>>>>
>>>> Which SUGGESTS VERY BLATANTLY that you have been STALKING me for
>>>> YEARS.
>>>>
>>>> ( a felony, by the way)
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>> Daddy, Doc knows all because sweet sweet tells her all!
>>
>> Actually, mental midget, you can't tell her all, because you don't
>> KNOW all. (you are just stupid and psycho enough to THINK you do)
>>
>> And you are digging yourself deeper and deeper.
>>
>> chuckle.
>>
>> (see, chump, what you are doing is called "extortion.")
>
>extortion?
You truly are dumber than a 10 ton rock!
You're a JAG Lawyer, and you don't know what "extortion" is? Or that
you are guilty of it?
smirk
>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>>> suny
>>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On 29 Jul 2006 08:35:42 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>john w wrote:
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