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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:28:58 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I can't keep up!
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>
>Could you EVER?
>Somehow, I doubt it, weatherless!
Who cares? Elaineevenless!
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Subject: Re: TO RETURN TO..The Keeping of His Commandments--Praise God!
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:36:10 GMT, "Whazit Tooyah" <nospam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>
>"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> "Whazit Tooyah" wrote in message news:rsoyg.11$j9.4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Whazit Tooyah" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, God i.e. the Trinity endorses seven days a week wor****p.
To
>>>>> answer your question, resurrection was on a Sunday, all of the post
>>>>> resurrection appearances of Jesus where the day is recorded are on
>>>>> Sunday,
>>>>
>>>> I found only one, which was at evening the day of the
resurrection.There
>>>> was
>>>> another appearance "after eight days" (Jn 20:26) which could not
have
>>>> been a
>>>> Sunday.
>>>
>>> In many translations it says "on the eighth day" which would be
Sunday
>>> when
>>> one includes the starting day as is the Jewish tradition. However,
it
>>> may also
>>> be a Monday, no need to be dogmatic on this.
>>>
>>>> He also appeared in Galilee after the crucifiction and was teaching
for
>>>> "FORTY DAYS" before His assension, which would presumably have been
>>>> 'every' day.
>>>
>>> What is really interesting to note that in all of Jesus post
resurrection
>>> appearances
>>> there was no single special day. On could also note that when Jesus
met
>>> the apostles
>>> by lake Galilee on morning that it was definitely not the Sabbath
because
>>> they were
>>> working (fi****ng) and Jesus was cooking.
>>
>> So you acknowledge that, here it was after the resurrection and the
>> apostles were -still- keeping the Sabbath and not doing their fi****ng
>> on that day, even in Galilee where there were less Jews.
>
>I acknowledge that they were in a Jewish community and for them to be
>fi****ng on a Sabbath would be suicide. Other than that I ackn
>
>>
>>>> There is no record in any of this that He gave instruction regarding
a
>>>> change in
>>>> the weekly day of rest and wor****p which He sanctified and blessed
at
>>>> the end
>>>> of creation week.
>>>
>>> But by the example you noted (forty days) Jesus didn't set any day
apart
>>> as special.
>>
>> Proving that the day that God originally gave us was never
changed...thank
>> you.
>
>Proving nothing. Jesus appeared on everyday of the week and they had
>meetings on every day of the week. The only thing it proves is that
there
>is no special day in the New Testament calendar
>
>>
>>> It is also significant that the first two spirit filled church
meetings
>>> were on Sunday
>>> (the upper room and Pentecost).
>>
>> They had spirit filled meetings every day. And as you said..".in all
of
>> Jesus post resurrection appearances there was no single special day."
>
>Which would indicate that in the New Testament church as it was being
>formed, there was no special day. The Sabbath was treated the same as
every
>other day, they met with Jesus when he appeared to them.
>
WELL DONE!
The apostles/disciples didn't set the agenda for meetings or
appearances of the risen Christ; HE DID!
jw
>>
>>>>> The Holy Spirit was given to the general population of the church
on a
>>>>> Sunday. There are two apparent church meetings occuring on Sunday
>>>>> recorded in the Bible, one in Acts, the other in 1 Corinthians.
>>>>
>>>> The one in Acts is a nighttime farewell meeting for the apostle
Paul.
>>>
>>> On the contrary it says they were gathered together to break bread
which
>>> was a referrence to a communion, not a church social.
>>
>> To "break bread" does not always refer to the communion, but also to a
>> meal.
>> (Luke 24:30, Acts 2:46, Acts 27:33-35). Since it says they "had
broken
>> bread,
>> AND EATEN" in the reference we are talking about( Acts 20:11); it
>> indicates it
>> was a meal.
>
>Read the instructions to the Corinthians. It was during there common
meal
>that a communion took place, it wasn't done ceremoniously as we do it
now.
>They did it as Jesus did it at the last supper, probably as a conclusion
to
>the common meal, i.e. the breaking of bread..
>
>>
>>> Beyond that the Bible says is that the meeting was on the first day
and
>>> went
>>> on into the night and that Paul was a long winded preacher.
>>
>> The first day of the week began sundown after Sabbath.
>
>If you say so, but after sundown it isn't the Sabbath anymore, so what's
>your point. It was on the first day that they gathered. Secondly, as
I
>read this I got the impression that the next morning was the next day
>because they sailed to Assos in the morning. This gives me the
impression
>that maybe Luke was using Roman time not Jewish for marking his days.
>
>>
>>>>The reference in Corinthians is an admonition to a regular accounting
>>>>method
>>>> for a specific purpose at that time.
>>>
>>> Although for everyone to set aside their donations at the same time
and
>>> in the
>>> same place would infer a gathering of some kind.
>>
>> "Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the
Galatian
>> churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should
>> set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so
that
>> when I come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I arrive,
I
>> will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them
>> with your gift to Jerusalem. If it seems advisable for me to go also,
they
>> will accompany me."
>>
>> ~ 1 Cor 16:1-4 NIV ~
>
>The point of this is that the donation would be all in one place so that
no
>collections would have to be made, not so that everybody would then
bring
>their donations to Paul when he arrived, or that they would have to go
house
>to house making the collection.
>BTW, didn't you make the claim that the pagan Romans were taking the
Sun's
>day off to wor****p their god whatzisname? Wouldn't it just be a natural
>occurance for Christians to also have that day off, especially
merchants?
>It would make it convienient for everybody to gather on a day most would
>have off. You will have to go back and read your own posts to refresh
your
>memory.
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Subject: Re: TO RETURN TO..The Keeping of His Commandments--Praise God!
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:32:34 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:26:43 GMT, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >"Whazit Tooyah" wrote in message news:rsoyg.11$j9.4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>> "Whazit Tooyah" wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Actually, God i.e. the Trinity endorses seven days a week
wor****p.
>To
>> >>>> answer your question, resurrection was on a Sunday, all of the
post
>> >>>> resurrection appearances of Jesus where the day is recorded are
on
>Sunday,
>> >>>
>> >>> I found only one, which was at evening the day of the
>resurrection.There was
>> >>> another appearance "after eight days" (Jn 20:26) which could not
have
>been a
>> >>> Sunday.
>> >>
>> >> In many translations it says "on the eighth day" which would be
Sunday
>when
>> >> one includes the starting day as is the Jewish tradition.
However, it
>may also
>> >> be a Monday, no need to be dogmatic on this.
>> >>
>> >>> He also appeared in Galilee after the crucifiction and was
teaching
>for
>> >>> "FORTY DAYS" before His assension, which would presumably have
been
>> >>> 'every' day.
>> >>
>>
>> Just a note, WT, that you are wasting your time with Andy. He is
>> hard-core Adventist, and is not above twisting or IGNORING any passage
>> that is not to the Adventist's advantage.
>
>Examples of twisting:
>
>Andrew sup****ts Lev 23:32 as a reference to the 7th day Sabbath.
>
>Cindy = I.B. Wonderin quotes Exodus 16:28: "How long refuse you to keep
my
>Sabbaths?"
>
>> He has-- for example--
>> searched far and wide for Bibles that HE says state that the 2nd upper
>> room service was on a Monday.
>>
>> That's funny, since I have some 12 translations myself, and I found
>> only one (the Catholic: New American Bible) that agreed with him, and
>> I don't give the RCC credit for the time of day!
>
>Do you mean:
>
>Joh 20:26 Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas
was
>with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in
their
>midst and said, "Peace be with you."
>
>How does this say it was a Monday?
Steve, this time, "ya got me!"
My sincerest apologies!
DEEP BOW!
I looked the passage up in 3 translations, including the NAB. The NAB
says it was the next week. IT was the NLT that says it was 8 days
later.
I read the passage, then quoted the wrong translation.
AGAIN, never let it be said that -- when I am CLEARLY wrong, like this
time-- I don't admit it.
Apologies!
Frankly, I STILL don't give the RCC or your "Bible" much credit.
HOWEVER, in THIS case, the NAB translation happens to match that of
some 10 other translations I own, as well as my own understanding.
>
>> >> What is really interesting to note that in all of Jesus post
>resurrection appearances
>> >> there was no single special day. On could also note that when
Jesus
>met the apostles
>> >> by lake Galilee on morning that it was definitely not the Sabbath
>because they were
>> >> working (fi****ng) and Jesus was cooking.
>> >
>> >So you acknowledge that, here it was after the resurrection and the
>> >apostles were -still- keeping the Sabbath and not doing their fi****ng
>> >on that day, even in Galilee where there were less Jews.
>>
>> It doesn't say they were wor****ping, it says they were working.
>> And AGAIN, you have not pointed out one single solitary reference to
>> any COMMAND from Jesus or an apostle that requires Sabbath keeping.
>> And Paul SPECIFICALLY forbid such rules.
>>
>> and you STUDIOUSLY AVOID Paul's remark!
>>
>> "Don't fuss over Sabbaths!"
>
>Paul was probably wrong there, they might even claim. The Sabbath was
>revealed by God's Prophet, Ellen White.
>
>http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/post/index/226/Bacchiocchi--Some-things-
Paul-wrote-are-unacceptable
>
>Adventism's most famous scholar:
>
>******************************
>There is no question that Paul's terse advice contradicts God's explicit
>statement: "It is not good that the man should be alone" [Gen 2:18]. If
God
>Himself stated at creation that living alone without a marital partner
"is
>not good," what business did Paul have to encourage people to remain
single
>like himself? Would it not have been wiser for Paul to keep his personal
>opinion to himself?
>
>Undoubtedly Paul did not foresee the problems his personal advice would
>cause during the course of Christian history.
>
>... Frankly, I wish that the Holy Spirit had restrained Paul from
expressing
>his personal views ...
>
>... we do not reject Paul's writings and discredit his ministry because
some
>of the things he wrote are unacceptable.
>******************************
>
>> >>> There is no record in any of this that He gave instruction
regarding a
>change in
>> >>> the weekly day of rest and wor****p which He sanctified and blessed
at
>the end
>> >>> of creation week.
>> >>
>> >> But by the example you noted (forty days) Jesus didn't set any day
>appart as special.
>> >
>> >Proving that the day that God originally gave us was never
>changed...thank you.
>>
>> Proving no such thing. That's an ASSUMPTION. And I would certainly
>> NEVER NEVER base my entire RELIGION "Seventh Day Adventists" on an
>> unfounded ASSUMPTION.
>>
>> Did they continue to wear sandals after the Resurrection? It doesn't
>> say! So I am now going to found a new church based on the doctrine
>> that we must all go barefoot!
>
>They also quote Isaiah 56 and 66 showing we should keep the Sabbath.
Using
>the same logic, we should keep New Moons, have a Levitical priesthood,
and
>offer burnt sacrifices.
>
>> >> It is also significant that the first two spirit filled church
meetings
>were on Sunday
>> >> (the upper room and Pentecost).
>> >
>> >They had spirit filled meetings every day.
>>
>> AGAIN, you brush aside TRUTHS. The first two RECORDED Christian
>> services were on SUNDAYS!
>>
>> That doesn't fit your warped views, so you brush the TEXT Aside, and
>> substitute man's REASON.
>>
>> And as you said..".in all of
>> >Jesus post resurrection appearances there was no single special
day."
>>
>> So, if there was no special day, how come you keep making a special
>> day?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> You just trapped yourself, Andy!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> >
>> >>>> The Holy Spirit was given to the general population of the church
on
>a
>> >>>> Sunday. There are two apparent church meetings occuring on Sunday
>> >>>> recorded in the Bible, one in Acts, the other in 1 Corinthians.
>> >>>
>> >>> The one in Acts is a nighttime farewell meeting for the apostle
Paul.
>> >>
>> >> On the contrary it says they were gathered together to break bread
>which
>> >> was a referrence to a communion, not a church social.
>> >
>> >To "break bread" does not always refer to the communion, but also to
a
>meal.
>>
>> If you were 1/10th the "Bible Student" you pretend to be, you'd
>> recognize the 1st C Christian euphemism for wor****p.
>>
>> Whenever they came together for wor****p, they ate together as well.
>>
>> It's we modern Christians who "schedule communion."
>>
>> For the 1st C Christian, it was a part of EVERY service.
>>
>> You're supposed to know that, o learned one!
>>
>>
>> >(Luke 24:30, Acts 2:46, Acts 27:33-35). Since it says they "had
broken
>bread,
>> >AND EATEN" in the reference we are talking about( Acts 20:11); it
>indicates it
>> >was a meal.
>>
>> ho hum.
>> >
>> >> Beyond that the Bible says is that the meeting was on the first
day
>and went
>> >> on into the night and that Paul was a long winded preacher.
>> >
>> >The first day of the week began sundown after Sabbath.
>>
>> You WILL twist the plain text to suit yourself, and now WT has seen it
>> for himself!
>>
>> tsk tsk
>>
>> I leave you to him, WT
>>
>> A note to WT! I've been dealing with this for 6 YEARS now! I've
>> gotten NOWHERE! (but then, neither has Andy!)
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>>The reference in Corinthians is an admonition to a regular
accounting
>method
>> >>> for a specific purpose at that time.
>> >>
>> >> Although for everyone to set aside their donations at the same time
and
>in the
>> >> same place would infer a gathering of some kind.
>> >
>> >"Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the
Galatian
>> > churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you
should
>> > set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up,
so
>that
>> > when I come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I
arrive, I
>> > will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send
them
>> > with your gift to Jerusalem. If it seems advisable for me to go
also,
>they
>> > will accompany me."
>> >
>> > ~ 1 Cor 16:1-4 NIV ~
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Some have even tried to ****tray it as a Sunday morning
>> >>> church collection - which it certainly was not.
>>
>> says who? Andy?
>
>Yip.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>snipo
>> I have QUITE LITERALLY sat in a Journalism (advanced English) class
>> during my university days, and the professor gave us a story to read
>> and "fix." Reading and re-reading the story several times, it seemed
>> to be saying one thing.
>
>"Belch, fart, brag, brag, brag"
At least I have stuff to brag ABOUT, Elaine, darlin'!
;-)
All we get from YOU is ***** envy!
I mean, you certainly TRY to be a man! You just don't manage it!
But you DO carry a razor for castrating!
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Subject: Re: Stop hiding Jason Gastrich!
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:24:43 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:50:11 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:38:00 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>>
>>I have QUITE LITERALLY sat in a Journalism (advanced English) class
>
>
>Anybody can SIT in one, weatherless------- but not everyone LEARNS
>anything, which obviously, YOU have not...
Funny stuff, Elaine!
How you chopped a very interesting story about what I DID learn, just
so you could
LIE!
;-)
psycho *****!
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Subject: Re: Stop hiding Jason Gastrich!
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:23:46 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:47:36 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>snip
>>
>> All because you don't know enough to insert one simple COMMA! ( , )
>
>What are you *****ing about, you ****ing hypocrite? You can't even
>comprehend the idea of capitalizing letters.
What are YOU *****ing about?
I know enough about grammar to choose when to use and not use it.
John Wolf has NO clue as to the rules, PERIOD.
Nor do YOU!
MYOFB!
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From: john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:21:51 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:49:59 GMT, "Rod" <freelance74601@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>On 27-Jul-2006, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>spoke....:
>
>> Among the many things that Wolf does *not* understand is the law.
>
> You're being a little un fair to John here, because frankly there
exist
> unjust laws
> still on the books by their makers, and the law is no better thasn
those
> creating
> it. I don't say this about all laws, but there are some in existence
that
> are counter
> productive to the intent and purpose of Christianity. Take for example
a
> Kansas
> law in the small town of Gridley kansas; it states that no colored
people
> are to
> be allowed in town after sundown. This is as unfair and unjust as a
drive
> by shooting,
> and has all the classic symptoms of human degeneration.
>
> Here is my view on man and his laws; they are to be observed and
obeyed
> until
> they are found unjust, and yes, I will pick and choose what laws to
obey
> resting
> on this premise. Mans judgement in making laws to rule himself doesn't
> lend itself
> to be any better that his judgement of his own spiritual condition. If
the
> mind is
> wretched so is the man.
Oh! My gosh!
Wow!
I read this just for curiosity sake! Rod, I hope you take this as
intended!
I have seen a new side to you, and we are-- at this place -- in
ABSOLUTE agreement!
I have had to tell any number of people these past 20 years. My very [
legal ] lifestyle was outlawed some 15 years ago. One day I was a
law-abiding citizen (I won't go into detail), the next I woke up, and
new laws had been signed, and NOTHING IN MY BEHAVIOR HAD CHANGED, but
OVERNIGHT, I had become a criminal!
And so now, as of this date, I am an outlaw!
And I will be until they come and arrest me!
The FACT is that the local authorities know who I am, and they could
not care LESS! So long as I don't bother anyone (I never have), I am
left be!
However, that could change. And when the time comes, and I have some
real $$$$, I will begin VIGOROUSLY FIGHTING a dozen laws!
ONE for example. The first month William J Clinton was in office as
President, he signed into law an unconstitutional bill against gun
owner****p. That unconstitutional bill turned ME into an outlaw.
Overnight. The day BEFORE, I was a legal gun owner. The next morning,
it was illegal for me to own a gun! I had done NOTHING different
overnight!
Why has that law not been rescinded? Not enough people care!
And the NRA, that bastion of democracy, hasn't done anything because
not enough of THEM were disarmed!
>
>
>
>
>> Okay, I have to admit to some curiousity. If this is the "purpose"
>> that Wolf believes he should fulfill, and if he was asked by a
>> potential employer and told that employer something else, that's
lying,
>> isn't it...?
We're right back to if I ask you "how are YOU today?" Do you give me
the TWO-HOUR, "Well my wife left me last night, and I had a wreck on
my way to this interview, and my 14 year old daughter just got
pregnant, and my son was just busted for selling crack..."
or do you say, "I'm fine!" SMILE. "And how are YOU today?"
( the prospective employer doesn't want your life history) The "How
are you is a fancy way of saying "hi!" It's not a "sincere questions"
and does not merit "an HONEST answer."
In this case, you need to determine why the employer asked, and
attempt to anticipate the ANSWER he expects.
(that is, he has definitely asked you a TRICK QUESTION)
>
> It is IF that was his ONLY purpose in life, which I'm certain it
isn't. A
> large part
> of life is about survival. If John can be of use to the employer and
is
> able to further
> his cause then I see no reason for John to be labeled a liar for
having
> secondary
> goals.
BINGO!
The FACT that John MUST ALWAYS GIVE A RELIGIOUS ANSWER to EVERY
QUESTION means John is VERY ONE-DIMENSIONAL.
The question "What sort of gas does your car burn?" at the gas station
does not rate "I was just praying about that, and the Lord said..."
"Unleaded would be fine" is sufficient.
A man must earn his way, after all. If however John DID tell the
> employer
> that his primary goal is other than his desire for service then he
did
> lie, but I don't
> see that being the case. Ley people in the church ALSO work and
spread
> the Gospel
> as well. At this point I see no reason to condemn John for something
that
> others take
> as a given.
>
> What is clear to me at least IS that John has made no decision as to
a
> permanent
> commitment to preach the word.
Actually, BJ has made that commitment VERY clear. What is NOT clear at
this point is that he is getting such a "commitment" communicated from
God. It seems very much to be an ego issue for BJ.
It is a full time sacrifice of selflessness
> not to be taken
> lightly, and John has physical needs as do we all.
You put it well. Full time ministry (which I prepared for BRIEFLY and
then came to the conclusion that I "am not cut from that particular
cloth")
requires a full time commitment to sacrifice and selflessness.
John fails both criteria.
I did as well.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:52:04 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>snip
>>
>> Again, Elaine, darling, I find it truly frightening (in the worst
>> possible way), that you are SO obsessed with my every word that you
>> will PRETEND to know absolutely everything about me.
>>
>> Which SUGGESTS VERY BLATANTLY that you have been STALKING me for
>> YEARS.
>>
>> ( a felony, by the way)
>
>LOL - Oh, get over yourself. You posted all this stuff publically
All WHAT stuff, Elaine?
Even if I HAVE posted stuff here and there for the past 10 years, for
someone like you or like Jimmy here to go and research EVERY LAST
TEEEEEENSY bit of it, and then EXAGGERATE it 1,0000 times for their
AMUSEMENT...
that's not just psychotic. it's illegal!
;-)
and it
>doesn't take a genius to find it.
Of course it doesn't! If it took a GENIUS, you would know, and Jimmy
the mental midget wouldn't know!
;-)
It's not anyone's fault but your own that
>you have diarrhea of the mouth.
And yet, you keep reading my "diarrhea".
chuckle.
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:40:52 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:36:06 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:35:08 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having been in the position of the employer interviewing on many an
>>>> occasion, had I been the employer, that would have been the end of
>>>> your interview.
>>>
>>> DREAM ON, old boy!
>>>
>>> D-R-E-A-M O-N!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>
>>
>> Again, Elaine, darling, I find it truly frightening (in the worst
>> possible way), that you are SO obsessed with my every word that you
>> will PRETEND to know absolutely everything about me.
>>
>> Which SUGGESTS VERY BLATANTLY that you have been STALKING me for
>> YEARS.
>>
>> ( a felony, by the way)
>>
>> ;-)
>
>Daddy, Doc knows all because sweet sweet tells her all!
Actually, mental midget, you can't tell her all, because you don't
KNOW all. (you are just stupid and psycho enough to THINK you do)
And you are digging yourself deeper and deeper.
chuckle.
(see, chump, what you are doing is called "extortion.")
;-)
>suny
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:38:36 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:29:21 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:39:29 -0500, PK & AMM <agent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:35:08 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>MOST people (with the exception of close friends and family) are not
>>>>REMOTELY interested in your grimmer details. "How are you?" is NOT a
>>>>SINCERE query. It is merely a greeting equivalent to "Hi!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>john w
>>>
>>>
>>>Kinda like "What's happening?!?"
>>
>>
>>Exactly!
>>
>>I was pointing out earlier, when one of our resident Christians (for
>>real, like me) and one who is NOTABLY mentally ill (also like me)-- he
>>has Asperger's, I am bi-polar...
>>
>>He was telling us all (an attention whore) that he had just gone on a
>>job interview. The employer asked one of those "trick questions"
>>(well, trick for some), like, "what is your view of life?"
>>
>>(designed in MANY situations to see if one will fall into a taboo
>>political/religious monolog)
>>
>>Our poor friend Bible John (whom I have dubbed "BJ") said, I gave him
>>my religious philosophy". Then asked, "Do you all think I did good? I
>>mean, I'm not ASHAMED of it or anything."
>>
>>Which in my state (Wa****ngton), would get him NOT HIRED!
>>
>>I said that, and because it was ME saying it, I've had 2 days now of
>>negative comments by people who don't live in my state!
>>
>>Now you're "up to speed" on my comments, and on the flack I've gotten
>>(as if I care; I don't)
>>
>
>Yes, I had read that (those) thread(s).
>
>Someone asks me what is my view of life, I ask clarifying questions to
>determine what they want to know.... Philosophically speaking? or
>simple answer ("It sucks" "It's what you make of it")? How does my
>career fit into my life (or vice versa)?
>
>Divergent minds can come up with a gazillion ways to answer and need
>to hone in on the purpose of the question.
DEEP BOW!
EXACTLY!
Except in my case, in the state of Wa****ngton, it is a matter of State
Policy that religion is not an appropriate topic for job interviews. I
have been to a DOZEN MAJOR "contract employers" from Kelly to Rho to
Butler to ...
They ALL tell you, "don't get into politics, and don't get into
religion. BOTH are TRICK questions. And if you're a Christian (I am),
and if you NOT a HARD-CORE Democrat who HATES _______ (Republican
politician), you can kiss your prospects for employment goodbye if you
get sucked into saying so.
I said that UP FRONT. I can not answer for Rhode Island, Kentucky,
Southern California, Miami, Florida, or Schenectady, NY.
I said THAT up front.
And got arguments that "you don't know what you're talking about."
Well, my illnesses may have kept me out of the work force for the past
10 years (ballpark), but I have certainly kept my ear to the "News
Editorials" on "how to interview for that job",
and the local (Wa****ngton state) rules REMAIN.
DO NOT discuss RELIGION. Do NOT discuss politics!
They WILL ask, and they are trying to figure out if you are "hip" to
the "no-no's", or if you are "oblivious." If you are "oblivious", as
Bible John Wolf is, you don't get hired in this state!
The SAFE thing to do (in case you run across that RARE Christian
employer (you see the prominent Cross on the shelf behind his desk,
you see the Fish symbol on his jacket lapel) is to ask a clarifying
question or two. A simple, "Well how do you want me to answer that?"
goes MILES toward getting you out of a jamb.
one VERY specific example. I interviewed for an assistant teaching
position in a public school in a Seattle suburb 15 years ago. Turned
out, the man I would be re****ting to, the head of the English
department, was also a Christian. He brought it up. "Are you a
Christian by any chance?" When so confronted, I WILL NOT deny my
faith, but I hedged. "I am, but I don't think that's an appropriate
conversation to get into."
He then told me that he had tested me, he is also a Christian, but
that it's the Wa****ngton State public school policy that Christianity
is a TABOO subject on public school campuses.
(I think this since went to court and the school district lost the
ruling)
the POINT was, even a Christian employer will tell you that HE is
harassed by non-Christian employees!
(keep your mouth shut, and your ears open)
God bless!
john w
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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> wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 28 Jul 2006 07:07:32 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >john w wrote:
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:49:27 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> >> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> >> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the
>> >> author
>> >> >
>> >> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >snip
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Having been in the position of the employer interviewing on many
an
>> >> >> occasion
>> >> >
>> >> >Oh boy. Making up some more imaginary jobs you've held, huh?
>> >>
>> >> Sorry! Explain once again how that's any of your business!
>> >
>> >Weatherly just never seems to get Usenet.
>>
>> Hey, Dave!
>>
>> Why don't you go get that blow up doll you just bought, find a nice
>> quiet place, and have *** with yourself?
>
>So this self-styled wordsmith
smooooooooooooooooch!
(kisses)
john w
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:49:04 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:26:52 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>sni[p
>>
>> When I say, "you have used up your allotted time, I mean..."
>>
>> You know what? Never mind!
>>
>> You Truly don't need to know!
>
>Couldn't make up something quick enough, eh?
You know, Elaine...
I'd think by now someone as BRILLIANT as you would have figured it
out.
I had already answered the question ONCE before.
You read it. You commented on it!
I simply didn't BOTHER to answer it for DAVID!
You continue to be dumber than a damn rock!
>
>BTW, truly shouldn't have been capitalized.
As I've said before, dumbass (you truly should pay attention), it's
called "poetic license". It's ALSO called, "I don't bother to edit my
posts as CAREFULLY as you do!"
And I found SEVERAL of YOUR TYPOS just the other day!
;-)
Oh, and "snif" is actually
>spelled "sniff". You need to work on remembering that.
You truly ARE dumber than a damn rock! I ALSO explained why I spell
"sniff" with one "f" in here.
And YOU are so damned stupid that when you quote me "mis-spelling" or
"mis-quoting", you don't even know enough to use QUOTE marks!
Dumbass!
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:12:47 GMT, "Mike Painter"
>> <mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>> john w wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:20:43 GMT, "Mike Painter"
>>>> <mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>>> author
>>>>> john w wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Snip verses]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Truth is OFTEN "situational".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are having a HORRIBLE day (the wife left you, the engine
>>>>>> blew up, the house burned down, and your 16 year old just got
>>>>>> busted for selling 5 pounds of cocaine to an undercover narc),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then you go on a job interview, and the prospective employer asks,
>>>>>> "How are YOU today?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you TRULY think he/she wants to hear you gripe for 10 minutes
>>>>>> about your HORRIBLE life?
>>>>>
>>>>> He was not asked to speak for ten minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> "How are YOU today?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Not to good but thanks for asking." would be perfectly acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong form. S/b "Not too (two "o"s) good, but thanks for asking."
>>>> (and you forgot the comma.)
>>>
>>> Gosh jw plays editor
>>
>> Yep!
>> In fact, there was a time I did it professionally, and made a lot of
>> money! Likely a LOT more than you ever did!
>
>I read what you wrote below. It sup****ts the idea that people might pay
you
>to not be an editor.
As if that absurd crack hasn't been used 1,000 times before you by 100
others!
If you are going to attempt to insult me (smirk)
you might at LEAST try to be a LITTLE original.
Maybe you can't!
Maybe just maybe there aren't enough gray cells left in your hollow
skull to form one intelligent thought!
(you haven't formed one SO far)
Nor do I need to prove my writing skills.
Those who know me know I have earned a GREAT deal of money over the
years with my writing, and a great deal of money (and recognition)
with my other artistic talents.
It is not unusual for artists to not be fully recognized in their
lifetime.
I can live with that!
Just think! So far, I've made FAR more money with my art (writing,
etc) in my lifetime, than Van Gogh did in his!
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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>Dave wrote:
>> So Weatherly is a liar and a fraud.
>
>Weatherly is a sick man, Dave. I think it's obvious from his posts -
>esepcially of late.
Aw, gosh! I seem to have made a new friend.
:-)
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Subject: Re: Whats the Purpose of my Life?
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On 28 Jul 2006 18:08:09 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On 28 Jul 2006 06:24:21 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>> >john w wrote:
>> >
>> >[Snip]
>> >
>> >> >But it's nice to see more examples of your christian nature.
>> >>
>> >> Hey, sucka! It's YOU who started the rock-throwing! Even if I
tossed a
>> >> hundred stones your way, you could have been the MAN and not
"returned
>> >> insult for insult."
>> >
>> >Well, now, one might find a more flagrant example of hypocrisy and
>> >arrogance, but one would have to look very hard to find it.
>> >
>> >> As it it, I mostly just ignore you.
>> >>
>> >> And Jesus never said we had to be punching bags.
>> >>
>> >> Kick me in the balls, and expect a kick in YOUR balls in return!
>> >
>> >Actually, Jesus pretty much said
>>
>> Don't presume to speak for Jesus, demoniac!
>
>Weatherly, of course, snipped away the substance
Wrong!
you never type any "substance". You vomit onto your keyboard and call
it "enlightening."
It isn't, and I refuse to refute your CRAP "point by point."
You like to pretend that your unlearned, unread, untrained, unschooled
"point of view" matters this much = to anyone but you.
(it doesn't)
So I snip.
Deal with it!
Anyone who wishes to read YOUR crap only has to dial back one post!
Dumbass!
john w
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wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:06:56 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:15:10 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>>article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>>author
>>>Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> snip[
>>>>
>>>>> Go warm up your vibrator, darlin',
>>>>> be sure the batteries are fresh,
>>>>>
>>>>> and then have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> (You must have the strongest wrists in Canada. You know! From all
that
>>>>> vibrator action! )
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to clean the *** off of your keyboard, ****o boy.
>>>
>>>Poor stupid seems to know all about that vibrators stuff? Maybe next
>>>Christmas I'll send mixed up johnnie the little blue pill, and a
handful
>>>of batteries. :)
>>>
>>>ujb
>>
>>
>>Poor stupid yourself, cor****al clinger. One would have to be deaf,
>>dumb, and blind to not know about vibrators, since they can be
>>purchased-- and are prominently displayed--in practically every
>>drugstore on the planet.
>>
>
>Yes indeed, liar-johnnie - but most decent people
How in the HELL do YOU presume to speak for "most decent people?" You
aren't one of us!
tsk tsk
You friggin' psycho BIGOT!
If you had half a brain, it would be out looking for the other half,
"Robbie!"
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Subject: Re: Faith and Science - The "One God" myth.
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wrote:
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author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:09:06 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>There are a few Christians in here; likewise, there are self-im****tant
>>jerks like Jim Agar (ujb) who claims to be an Army Colonel in the JAG
>>Corps (of all things), who is as psychotic a sadist as you'll ever run
>>into.
>>
>You are so ridiculous, weatherless.... no wonder your so-called
>'stint' in the armed forces was cut so drastically short -- for
>reasons you still try to hide!
What is ridiculous about pointing the pathological behavior of such
psychopaths as Jim (Col) Agar US Army JAG corp, and such psychos as
you?
You like to warn everyone about me!
I -- likewise-- feel everyone should be warned about you!
;-)
If you can go it, darlin', what makes you think no one else can?
>
>>Part of his ( "ujb's") daily pleasure is to call an admittedly
>>mentally ill adult nice things like "stupid" and "retard."
>>
>What about some of the things YOU call others, weatherless? Such as:
>--asshole
What about it?
Jim calls names (and has since I've been in here, 6 years now).
YOU call names ("weatherless", "liar-johnnie", "old man", "useless")
Why shouldn't I?
>--*****-breath
>--smegma-mouth
>--****-for-brains
>--G__-damned liar
>--no good son of a b----
>--demoniac ****
>--bastard
>--whore
>--asswipe
Sorry. Were you making a point besides the two red ones on your
forehead?
Are you once again trying to control everyone in the group?
chuckle! You can't even control yourself!
;-)
>
>enough evidence against you, liar-johnnie, but I have more proof if
>needed.
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Subject: Re: Faith and Science - The "One God" myth.
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:28:52 -0700
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:23:12 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
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>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:jfrkc2d8oq04dej4mebeo9ujhmlo825ptf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:15:10 -0400, ujb <ujb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
>> article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
>> author
>>>Robibnikoff wrote:
>>>> "john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> snip[
>>>>
>>>>> Go warm up your vibrator, darlin',
>>>>> be sure the batteries are fresh,
>>>>>
>>>>> and then have ***ual intercourse with yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>> (You must have the strongest wrists in Canada. You know! From all
that
>>>>> vibrator action! )
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to clean the *** off of your keyboard, ****o boy.
>>>
>>>Poor stupid seems to know all about that vibrators stuff? Maybe next
>>>Christmas I'll send mixed up johnnie the little blue pill, and a
handful
>>>of batteries. :)
>>>
>>>ujb
>>
>>
>> Poor stupid yourself, cor****al clinger. One would have to be deaf,
>> dumb, and blind to not know about vibrators, since they can be
>> purchased-- and are prominently displayed--in practically every
>> drugstore on the planet.
>
>LOL - I don't know where you shop, but you can't buy them in the Eckerds
and
>CVSs in my neck of the woods.
That's what you get for living in the sticks!
chuckle.
Shall I post some of the Seattle Times and Seattle PI ads from the
local drug stores for you?
Last time *I* asked at a local Bartell's, I was told, "sir, these
vibrators DO have MEDICAL uses! MANY people actually DO find them
VERY useful for LOCAL massages!"
Get your mind out of the GUTTER, if that's possible!
We all know what they are! I'm just saying that you can find them in
any drug store worthy of being called a drug store!
>
>The only place where you can buy vibrators is Spencer's Gifts - Unless
>you're the type to go to a *** shop.
You are either among the most ignorant, or among the worst of liars!
I suspect a healthy / UNhealthy dose of both!
Elaine!
( I mean, you MUST be Elaine in disguise! You're every bit the BIGOT,
and you're at LEAST as STUPID!)
;-)
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Subject: Re: Faith and Science - The "One God" myth.
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author
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:11:51 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Let the galia who is without sin cast the first rock!"
>
>
>Trying AGAIN to make up your own
Is your name "galia?"
'Bible verses', liar-johnnie?
> We also know what the Bible says about those swine who try to remove
>from or add to the Bible- you're no better than the romanists.
You imbecile!
Only YOU would pretend to take LITERALLY that I am actually "making up
new Bible verses!"
tsk tsk
You continue to strain the gnats and swallow the camels and to PROVE
that you have UTTERLY no sense of humor!
You ARE however, HOPELESSLY obsessed!
And you are a profoundly PSYCHOTIC HATER!
;-)
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Subject: Re: Is the gift of Tongues for the church today?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:34:16 -0700
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wrote:
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>
>"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:25:54 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:47:33 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
><snip>
>> We seem to have a few things in common. I gave up denominational
>> churches about thirty years ago. I prefer home fellow****ps where
>> people are more honest, where they know more Bible, and where religion
>> is left outside the door.
>>
>> The reason people ask amiss is because for the most part they do not
>> know the will of God (or they are greedy). God will not give wrong;
>> but He will supply any and all needs that are in harmony with His
>> will. But its not a magic show as some preachers like to make out it
>> is. God ain't into magic. That's the other gods show. We can't
>> bribe God with tithes and offerings or promises or deals.
>>
>> The most im****tant lesson I have learned in life is that God needs an
>> honest heart from which to build a pure heart in us. We can not
>> purify our hearts. But we can be honest with God and He will take it
>> from there. I guess I do get quite a bit from God becasue I don't try
>> to bull**** Him. I don't even have to ask; needs are supplied. Of
>> course the second im****tant thing is that I know to be thankful - not
>> holy roller thankful, honesty between God and me thankful. God likes
>> people who are real and genuine. I also think it helps that I let no
>> one other than the Lord Jesus Christ get into God and my personal
>> relation****p; except my wife. I don't pray the way most people pray,
>> either. I just talk to God and the Lord Jesus Christ in the same way
>> I am talking to your right now. They are real and I treat them as
>> real. Yes, I do thank the Father in the name of Jesus Christ when
>> that's appropriate and I do know when and how to use my power of
>> attorney to use the name of Jesus Christ. But mostly, I am in to
>> fellow****pping - sharing my life with the two. I learned a long time
>> ago that God desired a family and so I am it and capitalize on it.
>>
>>
>> I while back I started a study on Corinthians 12 for John Wolf. Today
>> I worked on it so that I can post it for Terrell to look at and
>> comment on. I started out with 19 pages and am still at 19 pages
>> cause I replace what I take out with more stuff.
>>
>> I've been reading what you have written in this thread. It doesn't
>> matter what I think because you stand approved before God based on
>> your own practical application of the rightly divided word of truth.
>>
>> To head off future problems; I do not buy into what historians and
>> theologians pass off as the history of the scriptures. I study the
>> word from the inside out; not the outside in. I admire your honesty
>> and your diligent efforts to aquire infoirmation for what you have
>> written. But, here is what I believe. I believe that Paul received
>> revelation from Jesus Christ (as did the others) and what Paul wrote
>> or spoke was received by word of knowledge and word of wisdom; the
>> words and how to present them. God simply used words in Paul's
>> vocabulary to reveal His will. Paul spoke those words or wrote those
>> words and they were sent here and there where believers recognized
>> what Paul had received as the word of God.
>
>Agreed
>>
Ask BB his views on
The Trinity
and the Deity of Jesus.
>> A great deal of how we got the church epistles and the other books is
>> revealed in the processes outlined in 1 Cor 12-14. What you wrote and
>> what I was working on today brought some of those processes to mind.
>>
>> Anyway, for what it is worth I appreciate the heart that you have
>> presented in your posts and believe that you and I and maybe even ole
>> Terrell can get along and enjoy chatting with each other. Welcome to
>> the free.christians group.
>>
> A question: Do you think Jesus was rich or well off monitarley? I
am
>talking about financially rich as in being not poor monitarley. I
believe
>he was rich in spirit; but that neither he nor Joseph or Mary were well
of
>monitarley. I have seen web pages that claim that Jesus always wore
more or
>less designer or expensive cloths and that the reason he rode in on a
donkey
>that had never been rode was because it was the Rolls Royce of the day.
The
>do that so that they can justify to their self and their congragions
that
>the pastor should have an expensive car and s****t a ten thousand dollar
>watch and the likes. I just have a problem with a pastor or church
that
>spends money on such materilistic things when there are people going
hungrey
>in their own neighborhood.
> I also think that a lot of denominations are trying to bribe
people
>into coming to God; by way of almost ****traying coming to God and giving
you
>heart to him and repenting as sort of like hitting the lottery. The
tell
>those that are struggling not only with spiritual things; but that are
also
>struggling with every day things such as food, clothing and shelter that
>after they come to God that it is almost like hitting the lottery. I
agree
>that God will supply the needs of his children; but I sure don't agree
with
>this "name it and claim it" stuff. Don't get me wrong there is nothing
>wrong with having things as long as those things are not more im****t to
them
>then God.
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>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:47:33 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:35:37 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:51:24 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>><snip.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>#1 I am curious why you disrespect the Bible by typing it lower
case.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah! That lower case b and the asterisks.:)
>>>
>>>I explained the bible being in lower case in another post; but as for
the
>>>asterisks, personally I use them when I want to *emphases* a word
without
>>>using caps to SHOUT<s>
>>>Just in case you missed it however, I will reiterate here: I consider
the
>>>content of the bible to be something to respect and I do not consider
>>>typing
>>>the word bible with the b in lower case to be any disrespect. I guess
it
>>>is
>>>a matter of personal opinion; because in most jewish circles they will
not
>>>even type on a web page or usenet post the word *God* and some type it
as
>>>_od or just leave a blank space ___. their reasoning is that someone
may
>>>print out what was typed and then that paper with God on it may get
either
>>>intentionally or unintentionally disrespected by some way or other and
>>>they
>>>are not willing to take even the slightest chance that God's name will
be
>>>disrespected.
>>
>> Don't sweat it, that was for Dave in case he is reading the thread.
>> He and I were talking about the lower case b and he uses asterisks
>> like you do. It was a joke for Dave. I had argued that the rules of
>> capitalization require the capital B (which they do) and he argued
>> that it was no big deal but we were talking about Bible John who
>> capitalizes it in his nym but not when he speaks of it.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>#2 What is this "angelic language?" I see no "angelic language in
the
>>>>>Bible. I see one REFERENCE to an "tongue of angels", but it is a
>>>>>metaphor, nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> No John, it says tongues (plural) of men (plural) or angels
(plural).
>>>> It is not a metaphor which is a comparison by representation as in I
>>>> am the vine I am the door where one thing is said to be another.
Nor
>>>> is it a simile or hypocatastasis. It is literal; not figurative
>>>> except where tongue by the figure metonymy is used for what the
tongue
>>>> does. But all that figure does is emphasize the fact that the
tongue
>>>> controls what language comes out of the mouth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would God need a "special language" with which to communicate
with
>>>>>His angels? Is telepathy broken?
>>>>
>>>> Spirit beings do not use telepathy. They don't have natural brains.
>>>> Logically, if they communicated by reading each other's minds, Satan
>>>> would know what God and Jesus knows. I think if you would do a
little
>>>> research you would find that only God can read minds; angels and
>>>> demons and Satan can not.
>>>>>
>>>>>And if it's a "language of angels", why are YOU speaking it?
>>>>
>>>> That's why you need to understand what prophecy and interpretation
of
>>>> tongues are. In prayer, praying by the spirit is between the
believer
>>>> and God and He can figure out what is being said. But, in a church
>>>
>>>I believe that God knows what we need before we even ask, as is
evident
>>>from:
>>>
>>>Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth
>>>what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
>>>
>>>I think this also shows that God knows what is in our minds as well as
>>>heart
>>
>> Of course He does, but we have not because we ask not. God can not
>> override our free will and must respect the laws in effect in this
>> jurisdiction which is under the dominion of the god of this world. He
>> can not usurp Satan's authority. However, our citizen****p is in teh
>> heavenlies so we can gain diplomatic immunity by claiming it. Our
>> prayers authorizes God to send in the rescue and supply choppers.
>
>Agreed, and it has been a while since I have run across someone that
agrees
>on several points as what I do. I would also interject that when asking
for
>something sometimes the prayers are asking amiss wanting to be giving
things
>to satisfy the flesh instead of asking for things needful for the
spirit,
>like praying for more time to be able to help others or study and such.
It
>has been even longer since I have talked with someone that knows and or
>agrees that the god of this world is the evil one.
Do you understand, now, S, that you are now communicating with "BB",
or "Bible Bob", and that Bible Bob will have you believe he's as
Christian as you, and yet BB FLATLY REJECTS the Trinity, AND he FLATLY
REJECTS the Deity of Jesus Christ?
Before you get too cozy with this fraud, be warned!
You have no discernment, and he is sucking you in!
;-)
(not that you'll listen to anything I said; you may not even actually
be a Christian). However, it is my duty as a Christian to INFORM you.
>
>>>
>>>> meeting what is spoken in a tongue is a message from God to the
people
>>>> which is why another reason why interpretation is necessary. 1 Cor
>>>> 14:5 requires that the person speaking the language interpret it.
If
>>>> a peson has not learned how to interpret he needs to remain silent
or
>>>> prophecy. Speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, and
>>>> prophecy all work together as wor****up manifestations in assemblies
of
>>>> the saints. Back then it was the norm for this to happen. Today it
>>>> only happens in assemblies where the people are properly taught. If
>>>> the preacher ain't trained right; the people won't be trained right
>>>> and confusion will result.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a "language of angels"; you are now admitting to using
something
>>>>>that doesn't belong to you!
>>>>
>>>> LOL! No John, the preposition "of" does not have a corresponding
>>>> Greek preposition that would indicate genitive of origin. The
editors
>>>> supplied the preposition to complete the sense of the passsage.
>>>> Speaking in tongues is accomplished via inspiritation from the
Spirit
>>>> and if God says do it and gives you the words to say; it is not a
sin.
>>>>>
>>>>>You may as well tell me, "I'm driving my neighbor's Rolls Royce."
>>>>>Why ?
>>>>>Does your neighbor know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>but with the lack of more about it
>>>>>>in the bible, I am left with only believing it could *possibly* be
an
>>>>>>angelic language.
>>>>>
>>>>>AGAIN, you need to KNOW what you are talking about. Guessing is
>>>>>Satan's territory!
>>>>>
>>>>> It could also be a form of the pure language promised to
>>>>>>be given to man in the end time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Reference?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have however *not* saying any of those
>>>>>>you mention using said unknown tongue. What is you take on it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>I find my language (English/American) quite adequate. And since God
>>>>>created all human languages, and knows all human languages (He seems
>>>>>equally capable of speaking to my Chinese Christian friends in
>>>>>Chinese)
>>>>>
>>>>>I see no reason why God needs to "communicate in an unknown
language"
>>>>>or in a "heavenly language" or in a "language of angels."
>>>>>
>>>>>You have given me no earthly reason, and you have given me no
>>>>>scripture.
>>>>>
>>>>>You have given me "seems to me."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>What IS acceptable is, "it seems to God!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Actually, he has demonstrated the patience of Job with you; even to
>>>> the point of leading me to speak to you with more patience that you
>>>> might deserve. If it weren't for that "b" and the "asterisks" I'd
>>>> have to say he has behaved very saintly towards you.
>>>>
>>>Thank you; but I am far from being a saint; but I do endeavor to try
and
>>>treat everyone the way that I would want to be were the positions
>>>reversed.
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: Is the gift of Tongues for the church today?
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:47:33 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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>
>"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>news:e2lgc2lqntbspr9647hhr4sd8sfk8r4hqb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:35:37 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:51:24 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
><snip.
>
>>>
>>>#1 I am curious why you disrespect the Bible by typing it lower case.
>>
>> Yeah! That lower case b and the asterisks.:)
>
>I explained the bible being in lower case in another post; but as for
the
>asterisks, personally I use them when I want to *emphases* a word
without
>using caps to SHOUT<s>
>Just in case you missed it however, I will reiterate here: I consider
the
>content of the bible to be something to respect and I do not consider
typing
>the word bible with the b in lower case to be any disrespect.
And here is where you and I finally part company. Paul said that it
should be enough to tell you that that offends me! I told you and you
flipped me your middle finger.
Paul said that when you disregard my being offended, YOU sin!
So now, I shall disregard you! YOu are in sin, I called you on it,
you flipped me off!
End of story!
Any "fellow****p" we may have had was broken when I told you you
offended me, and you basically said, "tough s*".
That is unrepented sin.
And that attitude I have found to be TYPICAL of Pentecoslta
"believers". You are ARROGANT.
I guess it is
>a matter of personal opinion; because in most jewish circles they will
not
>even type on a web page or usenet post the word *God* and some type it
as
>_od or just leave a blank space ___. their reasoning is that someone
may
>print out what was typed and then that paper with God on it may get
either
>intentionally or unintentionally disrespected by some way or other and
they
>are not willing to take even the slightest chance that God's name will
be
>disrespected.
>
>>>
>>>#2 What is this "angelic language?" I see no "angelic language in the
>>>Bible. I see one REFERENCE to an "tongue of angels", but it is a
>>>metaphor, nothing more.
>>
>> No John, it says tongues (plural) of men (plural) or angels (plural).
>> It is not a metaphor which is a comparison by representation as in I
>> am the vine I am the door where one thing is said to be another. Nor
>> is it a simile or hypocatastasis. It is literal; not figurative
>> except where tongue by the figure metonymy is used for what the tongue
>> does. But all that figure does is emphasize the fact that the tongue
>> controls what language comes out of the mouth.
>>>
>>>Why would God need a "special language" with which to communicate with
>>>His angels? Is telepathy broken?
>>
>> Spirit beings do not use telepathy. They don't have natural brains.
>> Logically, if they communicated by reading each other's minds, Satan
>> would know what God and Jesus knows. I think if you would do a little
>> research you would find that only God can read minds; angels and
>> demons and Satan can not.
>>>
>>>And if it's a "language of angels", why are YOU speaking it?
>>
>> That's why you need to understand what prophecy and interpretation of
>> tongues are. In prayer, praying by the spirit is between the believer
>> and God and He can figure out what is being said. But, in a church
>
>I believe that God knows what we need before we even ask, as is evident
>from:
>
>Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth
>what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
>
>I think this also shows that God knows what is in our minds as well as
heart
>
>> meeting what is spoken in a tongue is a message from God to the people
>> which is why another reason why interpretation is necessary. 1 Cor
>> 14:5 requires that the person speaking the language interpret it. If
>> a peson has not learned how to interpret he needs to remain silent or
>> prophecy. Speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, and
>> prophecy all work together as wor****up manifestations in assemblies of
>> the saints. Back then it was the norm for this to happen. Today it
>> only happens in assemblies where the people are properly taught. If
>> the preacher ain't trained right; the people won't be trained right
>> and confusion will result.
>>>
>>>It's a "language of angels"; you are now admitting to using something
>>>that doesn't belong to you!
>>
>> LOL! No John, the preposition "of" does not have a corresponding
>> Greek preposition that would indicate genitive of origin. The editors
>> supplied the preposition to complete the sense of the passsage.
>> Speaking in tongues is accomplished via inspiritation from the Spirit
>> and if God says do it and gives you the words to say; it is not a sin.
>>>
>>>You may as well tell me, "I'm driving my neighbor's Rolls Royce."
>>>Why ?
>>>Does your neighbor know?
>>>
>>>
>>>but with the lack of more about it
>>>>in the bible, I am left with only believing it could *possibly* be an
>>>>angelic language.
>>>
>>>AGAIN, you need to KNOW what you are talking about. Guessing is
>>>Satan's territory!
>>>
>>> It could also be a form of the pure language promised to
>>>>be given to man in the end time.
>>>
>>>Reference?
>>>
>>> I have however *not* saying any of those
>>>>you mention using said unknown tongue. What is you take on it?
>>>
>>>
>>>See above.
>>>
>>>I find my language (English/American) quite adequate. And since God
>>>created all human languages, and knows all human languages (He seems
>>>equally capable of speaking to my Chinese Christian friends in
>>>Chinese)
>>>
>>>I see no reason why God needs to "communicate in an unknown language"
>>>or in a "heavenly language" or in a "language of angels."
>>>
>>>You have given me no earthly reason, and you have given me no
>>>scripture.
>>>
>>>You have given me "seems to me."
>>>
>>>
>>>Not acceptable.
>>>
>>>What IS acceptable is, "it seems to God!"
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, he has demonstrated the patience of Job with you; even to
>> the point of leading me to speak to you with more patience that you
>> might deserve. If it weren't for that "b" and the "asterisks" I'd
>> have to say he has behaved very saintly towards you.
>>
>Thank you; but I am far from being a saint; but I do endeavor to try and
>treat everyone the way that I would want to be were the positions
reversed.
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