>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >
>> >"RedFox" <Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:Jesse-2407070804120001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> In article <5gjq7aF3gq95jU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Robibnikoff"
>> >> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>> >>>
>> >>> snip
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the
text!
>> >>> > You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a
lie)
>> >>>
>> >>> You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>> >>> posted it as your own?
>> >>> --
>> >>> Robyn
>> >>> Resident Witchypoo
>> >>> BAAWA Knight!
>> >>> #1557
>> >>
>> >> That was a low punch - right on the button - POW!
>> >>
>> >> Got another one?
>> >
>> >Probably ;)
>>
>> That's ok, psycho *****! Keep it up!
>> The day will come when you will answer for your lies!
>>
>> ;-)
>> "Count on it!"
>
>That counts as a physical threat and therefore is a crime
You're a god-damned liar! I said the day will come when she/ he
will answer for their lies! God is coming, we'll all be judged.
You stupid ****!
>
>Knock Knock!
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:20:57 -0700
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:01:53 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>In article <6nmea35h44cogiat5e3kl81tbf38sjjnlc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:43:06 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > That's ok, psycho *****! Keep it up!
>> > The day will come when you will answer for your lies!
>>
>>
>> So in your diseased frame of 'mind', Robyn is a 'psycho *****' simply
>> for telling the TRUTH about you, plagiarist-johnnie?
>
>Hey I'm a demoniac for disagreeing with this piece of crap
>
>He has classifications for each of us but misses his own
>
>(Schizoaffective or paranoid Schizophrenic)
You aren't a psychiatrist, you God-damned liar. So stop pretending
that you can diagnose me over the Internet!
john w
>
>And as a result misses out on treatment that might make him more
"normal"
>
>Someone elses turn to press his buttons
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:20:07 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:15:30 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:43:06 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> That's ok, psycho *****! Keep it up!
>> The day will come when you will answer for your lies!
>
>
>So in your diseased frame of 'mind', Robyn is a 'psycho *****' simply
>for telling the TRUTH about you, plagiarist-johnnie?
She didn't tell the truth about me, you God-damned liar!
She said I claimed I wrote someone else's article!
I VERY CLEARLY explained that I didn't like how someone had written
an article, and so I re-wrote it.
Contrary to your lies and contrary to Robib's lies, I put HIS name
on the article when I re posted it, and I put MY name on it as "Edited
by".
You God-damned liar!
Again, you God-damned liar, if I stole someone's article and posted
it as my own, I don't suppose you'd object to re posting the entire
thing!
Prove that I ripped someone else's article off and put my name on it
INSTEAD of theirs!
You God-damned liar!
john w
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:17:16 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:17:06 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:04:27 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> "RedFox" <Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:Jesse-2407070804120001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> In article <5gjq7aF3gq95jU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the
text!
>>>>>> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a
lie)
>>>>> You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>>>> posted it as your own?
>>>>> --
>>>>> Robyn
>>>>> Resident Witchypoo
>>>>> BAAWA Knight!
>>>>> #1557
>>>> That was a low punch - right on the button - POW!
>>>>
>>>> Got another one?
>>> Probably ;)
>>
>> That's ok, psycho *****! Keep it up!
>> The day will come when you will answer for your lies!
>>
>> ;-)
>> "Count on it!"
>
>Not by you liar johnny, not by you...
Go have ***ual intercourse with yourself, Crazzy Jimmy!
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Tammy Faye wasted away
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:16:04 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:45:54 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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> wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:tusda3dbn2tqi22m3o3k65mcf8uqijkv7f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:32:15 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>news:9reca3hgq9elfft8ph6jamg0ae16igbvr4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the opinion of a LOT of Christians, it is very indicative of her
>>>> real spiritual state. (what is INSIDE)
>>>> It's also a matter of OBEDIENCE. Women are not to adorn themselves
>>>> in a gaudy, flashy, showy manner.
>>>> Look at Mrs Reagan, look at Jackie Kennedy, look at Laura Bush.
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful women who didn't / don't see any need for a pound of
makeup
>>>> a day, and purple hair!
>>>>
>>>>>You begrudge her for having bad taste in cosmetics.
>>>>
>>>> No, I am bothered by her ignorance or arrogance regarding
scriptural
>>>> instructions for how women are to behave, and for how they are to
keep
>>>> their appearance.
>>>>
>>>>>It brought smiles to millions of people, it was a good thing
actually.
>>>>
>>>> You certainly have the right to your opinion.
>>>> As for millions of people smiling, they were laughing at her, and
>>>> she acknowledged that, and she didn't care.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>She was a christer, doesn't instantly make her a fanatic.
>>>>>>>All she wanted to do was put on xtian puppet shows for kids.
>>>>>>>All that other crap was Bakker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't know what you're talking about! Try educating yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>>No, YOU open your eyes and see that people are not merely defined by
one
>>>>>aspect of their personalities, talents, short comings, looks or
>>>>>spiritual
>>>>>beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Christianity encompasses the whole person, not the toenails, not
the
>>>> fingernails. Christianity encompasses one's entire being.
>>>>
>>>>>You need an education about people in general.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about "people in general."
>>>> And you need an education in something called "religious freedom."
>>>> That's my right to disagree with how someone who calls herself "a
>>>> Christian" conducts herself in public.
>>>>
>>>>>I thought money money money was the American Way.
>>>>
>>>> I am talking about people who claim to be Christians.
>>>>
>>>> She claimed to be a Christian, but I never saw one thing about her
>>>> that said "this woman is a Christian!"
>>>>
>>>I wonder if Tammy used L'oreal cosmetics?
>>
>> What ARE you mumbling about?
>>
>> Since you evidently had your head stuffed too far up your butt to
>> notice, she said multiple times (including her last interview last
>> week), that she was abusing Maybelline products!
>>
>L'Oreal owns Maybelline you silly boy.
I don't use makeup, stupid person, so I would have no reason to know
that!
john w
>
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Subject: Re: Those that believe in God
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:07:46 -0400, "Michael James"
<michaeljames@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:07:05 -0400, "Michael James"
>> <michaeljames@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >
>> >"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>> >news:sr9fa3tmq9hnrrqtn7lqpfam1bquk9ed5p@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:07:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>> >> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >> >On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:50:36 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>>Perhaps you should approach the subject a little differently.
>> >> >>>Satan believes in God. After all, he is a fallen angel. He
>rejected
>> >God's
>> >> >>>word.
>> >> >>>A&E believe in God. After all, they rejected his words,
considered
>> >themselves
>> >> >>>suitable to tell him "no", and look at what happened to them.
>> >> >>>We believe in God.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Actually you don't. You don't "believe in God." Because part
of
>> >> >>"believing IN God" involves "believing God."
>> >> >> You don't "believe God."
>> >> >
>> >> >Yet we Catholics are the ones that follow the words of Christ,
>> >>
>> >> You are a liar.
>> >>
>> >> john w
>> >
>> >
>
>> >Have you had a chat with Him lately? What did He tell you?
>>
>> How ARROGANT!
>>
>> my conversations with God are not your concern!
>>
>> I might as well ask you what your wife whispers in your ear when
>> you're having ***!!
>>
>> "None of your business."
>>
>> >
>>
>
>Do you take a nasty pill before posting or what?
Your question was equally rude and equally insulting!
>
>PLONK
>
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Subject: Re: US Dollar Plummets to Record Low Against Euro (no WMDs yet)
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>"RedFox" <Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Yep! Blame it all on the Republicans!
>>
>> Them , the Democrat,s and a crap constitution that needs rewriting so
that
>> you have a democracy
>
>It just needs enforcing... the spirit of the US Constitution as it was
written
>would work just fine... but too many cor****ate lawyers are paid too much
>money to find ways to undermine it's guiding principles.
Now, the GOP
>is sup****ting partisan politics to such a degree that it's also causing
a
>trampling on the Bill Of Rights that may not be recoverable.
"Yawn!" As if the Republicans started that process! I guess you
slept through Clinton's 8 years of raping our government and our
nation, along with an intern!
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:53:05 -0700, arah <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>I will never waste my time and my energy in this forum if I don't love
>Jesus and if I don't love my Christian brothers .
>
Don't rip Christians and our God and our Bible and then call
yourself "my brother."
You are a liar, and you are a hater.
And the day will VERY LIKELY come when you will try to kill me
because I won't become a Muslim!
john w
>My assumption is right, I noticed that many Christians are blind
>follower of the Churches and none can prove that the bible does not
>contradict .
>
>Until this moment no Christian can prove that Jesus mentioned in the
>bible that he is God or Jesus instructed us to pray to him as God.
>
>Until this moment no Christian can prove that the bible is divine we
>only have the Gospel according to Matthew, the Gospel according to
>Mark etc.Why there is no Gospel according to Jesus?
>
>Looking forwand for your reply John w.
>
>On Jul 26, 12:42 am, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yesOn Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:14:03 -0700, arah <arah1...
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> wrote:
>>
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>> >THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
>>
>> >Matthew's is the first of the four Gospels as they appear in the New
>> >Testament. This position is perfectly justified by the fact that it
is
>> >a prolongation, as it were, of the Old Testament.
>>
>> I'm not certain what it is you believe you gain by coming into a
>> Christian group and attacking Christians, Christ, and the Bible.
>>
>> Would you like it if a dozen or more Christians hooked up with the
>> Islam group(s) and attacked Allah, the Koran, and Muslims?
>>
>> Perhaps that's a project someone should arrange!
>>
>> I thought the Muslim religion was a religion of peace and tolerance;
>> you demonstrate neither as your "brothers in the faith" continue to
>> MURDER each other (Iraq), and non-Muslims (for not being Muslims) all
>> over the world.
>>
>> ??
>>
>> john w
>> It was written to
>>
>>
>>
>> >show that "Jesus fulfilled the history of Israel", as the
commentators
>> >of the Ecumenical Translation of the Bible note and on which we shall
>> >be drawing heavily. To do BO, Matthew constantly refers to quotations
>> >from the Old Testament which show how Jesus acted as if he were the
>> >Messiah the Jews were awaiting.
>>
>> >This Gospel begins with a genealogy of Jesus [ The fact that it is in
>> >contradiction with Luke's Gospel will be dealt with in a separate
>> >chapter.]. Matthew traces it back to Abraham via David. We shall
>> >presently see the fault in the text that most commentators silently
>> >ignore. Matthew's obvious intention was nevertheless to indicate the
>> >general tenor of his work straight away by establi****ng this line of
>> >descendants. The author continues the same line of thought by
>> >constantly bringing to the forefront Jesus's attitude toward Jewish
>> >law, the main principles of which (praying, fasting, and dispensing
>> >charity) are summarized here.
>>
>> >Jesus addresses His teachings first and foremost to His own people.
>> >This is how He speaks to the twelve Apostles "go nowhere among the
>> >Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans [ The Samaritans'
>> >religious code was the Torah or Pentateuch; they lived in the
>> >expectation of the Messiah and were faithful to most Jewish
>> >observances, but they had built a rival Temple to the one at
>> >Jerusalem.] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
>> >Israel." (Matthew 10, 5-6). "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the
>> >house of Israel". (Matthew 15, 24). At the end of his Gospel, in
>> >second place, Matthew extends the apostolic mission of Jesus's first
>> >disciples to all nations. He makes Jesus give the following order.
"Go
>> >therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28, 19), but
the
>> >primary destination must be the 'house of Israel'.
>>
>> >Tricot says of this Gospel, "Beneath its Greek garb, the flesh and
>> >bones of this book are Jewish, and so is its spirit; it has a Jewish
>> >feel and bears its distinctive signs".
>>
>> >On the basis of these observations alone, the origins of Matthew's
>> >Gospel may be placed in the tradition of a Judeo-Christian community.
>> >According to O. Culmann, this community "was trying to break away
from
>> >Judaism while at the same time preserving the continuity of the Old
>> >Testament. The main preoccupations and the general tenor of this
>> >Gospel point towards a strained situation."
>>
>> >There are also political factors to be found in the text. The Roman
>> >occupation of Palestine naturally heightened the desire of this
>> >country to see itself liberated. They prayed for God to intervene in
>> >favour of the people He had chosen among all others, and as their
>> >omnipotent sovereign who could give direct sup****t to the affairs of
>> >men, as He had already done many times in the course of history.
>>
>> >What sort of person was Matthew? Let us say straight away that he is
>> >no longer acknowledged to be one of Jesus's companions. A. Tricot
>> >nevertheless presents him as such in his commentary to the
translation
>> >of the New Testament, 1960: "Matthew alias, Levi, was a customs
>> >officer employed at the tollgate or customs house at Capharnaum when
>> >Jesus called him to be one of His disciples." This is the opinion of
>> >the Fathers of the Church, Origen, Jerome and Epiphanes. This opinion
>> >is no longer held today. One point which is uncontested is that the
>> >author is writing "for people who speak Greek, but nevertheless know
>> >Jewish customs and the Aramaic language."
>>
>> >It would seem that for the commentators of the Ecumenical
Translation,
>> >the origins of this Gospel are as follows:
>>
>> >"It is normally considered to have been written in Syria, perhaps at
>> >Antioch (. . .), or in Phoenicia, because a great many Jews lived in
>> >these countries. [ It has been thought that the Judeo-Christian
>> >community that Matthew belonged to might just as easily have been
>> >situated at Alexandria. O. Culmann refers to this hypothesis along
>> >with many others.] (. . .) we have indications of a polemic against
>> >the orthodox Judaism of the Synagogue and the Pharasees such as was
>> >manifested at the synagogal assembly at Jamina circa 80 A.D." In such
>> >conditions, there are many authors who date the first of the Gospels
>> >at about 80-90 A.D., perhaps also a little earlier. it is not
possible
>> >to be absolutely definite about this . . . since we do not know the
>> >author's exact name, we must be satisfied with a few outlines traced
>> >in the Gospel itself. the author can be recognized by his profession.
>> >He is well-versed in Jewish writings and traditions. He knows,
>> >respects, but vigorously challenges the religious leaders of his
>> >people. He is a past master in the art of teaching and making Jesus
>> >understandable to his listeners. He always insists on the practical
>> >consequences of his teachings. He would fit fairly well the
>> >description of an educated Jew turned Christian; a householder "who
>> >brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old" as Matthew
>> >says (13,52). This is a long way from the civil servant at
Capharnaum,
>> >whom Mark and Luke call Levi, and who had become one of the twelve
>> >Apostles . . .
>>
>> >Everyone agrees in thinking that Matthew wrote his Gospel using the
>> >same sources as Mark and Luke. His narration is, as we shall see,
>> >different on several essential points. In spite of this, Matthew
>> >borrowed heavily from Mark's Gospel although the latter was not one
of
>> >Jesus's disciples (O. Culmann).
>>
>> >Matthew takes very serious liberties with the text. We shall see this
>> >when we discuss the Old Testament in relation to the genealogy of
>> >Jesus which is placed at the beginning of his Gospel.
>>
>> >He inserts into his book descriptions which are quite literally
>> >incredible. This is the adjective used in the work mentioned above by
>> >Father Kannengiesser referring to an episode in the Resurrection. the
>> >episode of the guard. He points out the improbability of the story
>> >referring to military guards at the tomb, "these Gentile soldiers"
who
>> >"re****t, not to their hierarchical superiors, but to the high priests
>> >who pay them to tell lies". He adds however: "One must not laugh at
>> >him because Matthew's intention was extremely serious. In his own way
>> >he incor****ates ancient data from the oral tradition into his written
>> >work. The scenario is nevertheless worthy of Jesus Christ Superstar.
>> >[ An American film which parodies the life of Jesus.]"
>>
>> >Let us not forget that this opinion on Matthew comes from an eminent
>> >theologian teaching at the Catholic Institute of Paris (Institut
>> >Catholique de Paris).
>>
>> >Matthew relates in his narration the events accompanying the death of
>> >Jesus. They are another example of his imagination.
>>
>> >"And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to
>> >bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also
>> >were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were
>> >raised, and coming out of tombs after his resurrection they went into
>> >the holy city and appeared to many."
>>
>> >This passage from Matthew (27, 51-53) has no corresponding passage in
>> >the other Gospels. It is difficult to see how the bodies of the
saints
>> >in question could have raised from the dead at the time of Jesus's
>> >death (according to the Gospels it was on the eve of the Sabbath) and
>> >only emerge from their tombs after his resurrection (according to the
>> >same sources on the day after the Sabbath).
>>
>> >The most notable improbability is perhaps to be found in Matthew. It
>> >is the most difficult to rationalize of all that the Gospel authors
>> >claim Jesus said. He relates in chapter 12, 38-40 the episode
>> >concerning Jonah's sign:
>>
>> >Jesus was among the scribes and pharisees who addressed him in the
>> >following terms:
>>
>> >"Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you. But he answered them, "An
>> >evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be
>> >given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was
>> >three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the
Son
>> >of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
>>
>> >Jesus therefore proclaims that he will stay in the earth three days
>> >and three nights. So Matthew, along with Luke and Mark, place the
>> >death and burial of Jesus on the eve of the Sabbath. This, of course,
>> >makes the time spent in the earth three days (treis êmeras in the
>> >Greek text), but this period can only include two and not three
nights
>> >(treis nuktas in the Greek text [ In another part of his Gospel
>> >Matthew again refers to this episode but without being precise about
>> >the time (16, 1-4). The same is true for Luke (11, 29-32). We shall
>> >see later on how in Mark, Jesus is said to have declared that no sign
>> >would be given to that generation (Mark 8, 11-12).]).
>>
>> >Gospel commentators frequently ignore this episode. Father Roguet
>> >nevertheless points out this improbability when he notes that Jesus
>> >"only stayed in the tomb" three days (one of them complete) and two
>> >nights. He adds however that "it is a set
>>
>> ...
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:11:00 -0500, Sanders Kaufman
>
>>> I'm not an Christian - so I don't have any religious prohibition
against
>>> using my own judgement.
>>
>> There is no "religious prohibition" for any Christian using his own
>> judgment. The prohibition is on the Christian's judgment overcoming
>> his understanding of scripture.
>
>That's a very self-contradictory thing to say.
Absolutely not. All you are now expressing is your aversion to ANY
religious faith. No matter what that religious faith teaches.
Morality is NOT the absence of all religious faith.
True Christians who live their faith are the most moral, the most
compassionate people on earth.
>It's like when Henry Ford said that folks could get a Model-T in any
>color they like - as long as it's black.
Bull crap!
>
>
>> And having been a Christian for OVER 50 YEARS now, I believe I can
>> speak with some authority on what Christianity teaches.
>
>Christianity doesn't teach... Christians do.
Christianity does both. The Bible teaches us, we learn the Bible
and we teach others. Those who are Christians do all sorts of good
things, like build hospitals and universities.
For example, Memphis Memorial Baptist Hospital ER is where Elvis
Presley was pronounced dead.
MMBH is a charity hospital.
Each seems to think he
>speaks for the whole, and gets testy when one contradicts another.
You have the right to be wrong.
>
>The inevitable result is a power struggle, followed by a consolidation
>of power, followed by a holocaust.
What you are now spouting is what' called biased bigotry and hate.
>
>It's called a "self-fulfilling prophecy" and it belongs in the dustbin
>of time - along with the Gods of Olympus and the Sun gods.
Your 5th Century notions that all beliefs are immoral are what
belong in the dustbin.
I've caused you no harm.
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>john w <johnw wrote:
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>> The FACT is, I went to the page from the link that was supplied.
>> Apparently, the video footage is not on that link anymore. There was
>> no video attached.
>> The FACT is, that the article (I read roughly half the article)
>> ADMITTED that the re****ter(s) had lifted a quote from Rev Price that
>> was NOT an accurate statement of his "personal holdings."
>
>They didn't "lift a quote".
Sure, they did!
They showed video footage of him actually
>preaching the prosperity gospel.
I didn't see the video, as I stated. But the accompanying article
indicates that they didn't show the entire sermon.
They showed a SEGMENT in which they quoted something he said. They
chopped off the part where he said, "this is BAD evangelism:..."
"... having a 25-bedroom mansion, having a helicopter..."
That's dishonest.
That you PROMOTE such shoddy journalism (I'm a university trained
journalist) is dishonest.
>
>
>> When the re****ter is willing to apologize for lifting a quote and
>> using it out of context (Fred Price's hyperbole aside), it's rather a
>> moot point for people in here to be pointing fingers at Fred Price as
>> a result of "this posted article", when in fact the article is an
>> APOLOGY to Dr Price.
>
>That there is the crux - context.
Price and one of the commentators on
>A DIFFERENT program misinterpreted the context as if he were saying he
>owned a helicopter and such. But they were wrong.
>
>In the 20/20 broadcast, the context was clearly just him preaching about
>what people could get if they just followed his prosperity gospel - a
>goal NOBODY in his flock has achieved.
>
>This is a common practice among evenagelicals. When one of y'all gets
>busted doing something wrong, you plead innocent to some unrelated
thing.
As I've said, there's a world of difference between evangelicals and
Fred Thompson.
Fred Thompson is not an evangelical.
He's a "Peace ... Prosperity" "name it and claim it" charlatan.
That "Peace.. Prosperity" "teaching" is NOT evangelicalism.
>
>His preachings are bull****. He's preying on desperate people,
>promising that God will give them huge piles of cash if they give him
>what few coins they have.
>
>That's pure evil.
It's also not evangelicalism.
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>john w <johnw wrote:
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:41:24 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>>>> Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 25, 4:16 pm, Sanders Kaufman <bu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> Well, the lawsuit is not about the strutting, but whether or not he
>>>>> was bragging about what "I have" or was making a point about
>>>>> the excess of others.
>>>> That's certainly what the evangelist is *trying* to turn it into.
>>>>
>>>> The point of the *broadcast* was to show these "prosperity"
evangelists,
>>>> are living lavish lifestyles, while fleecing the flock.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that he has two Mercedez's, rather than a helicopter
doesn't
>>>> change anything. Whether his mansion has 15, rather than 25 rooms,
>>>> doesn't change anything.
>>>>
>>>> He's still living a lavish lifestyle by taking money from people,
while
>>>> promising that GAWD will pay them back exponentially.
>>>>
>>>> It's a promise that Prosperity Evangelists are making breaking to
flocks
>>>> of impoverished sheep-like Christians all over the country, every
day.
>>>>
>>>> That kind of crap may go over in Islamistan, but here in the US - we
>>>> have a constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense -
and
>>>> that includes defending children, the elderly and stupid little,
>>>> unemployable religious zealots.
>>>
>>> I've got to hand it to you here, that would be a twist in events
for
>>> a non christian to be better at practicing what they should be
doing
>>> than the christians, which is being your neighbors keeper and
>>> protector. My hats off to you..
>>>
>> Wow! How nice! No bias from Rod!
>
> Just the truth John, nothing more.....
Correction! "Just the truth..." as you see it!
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<galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:9fafa35fm72oudho6b4a4eg20bmbkppusg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:32:02 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>>>Thank you for utilizing the language I was talking about.
>>>
>>>Also, I don't pretend to be perfect. I just state what I and all
others
>>>here observe regarding your posts.
>>>
>>>You can say "O.K., so what" or respond as if you don't do as ALL see
that
>>>you do.
>>>It would be very difficult to find a post of yours that does not
contain
>>>profanity.
>
><snipped>
>>
>>>
>>>James also covers the destiny of those who are essentially sensual or
>>>demonic.
>>
>> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>> You should truly try VERY hard to not judge, dirtbag. For as you
>> judge (by your Standard of Perfection), so shall YOU be judged!
>
>Coming from you, this is kind of ironic, because you are condemning
yourself
>whenever you touch your keyboard.
AGain, you make the FATAL mistake of thinking your opinion matters.
>I don't think you are any better than Steve Winter; yet, you condemned
him
>on several occasions a while back.
>
>
>>
>> "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
>> "There is NONE perfect, no, not even ONE."
>
>lol.... nive verse, he? But keep on reading...
>>
>> God made a mistake. He forgot to say, "Except for Elaine, John H,
>> and Vernon O."
>
>He is not the one with Double Standards; it's you who believes you
deserve
>special treatment.
>WAKE UP....
>
>
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>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
>>Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
Commercials!
>>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:42:35 -0700
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>>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:37:20 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:07:21 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> John H, (the moral moron), do you actually believe that the
>>>>"runners" of ancient times, those guys who would deliver messages to
>>>>im****tant people-- do you actually believe that those runners were
>>>>without sin?
>>>>
>>>Like you, right, liar-johnnie?
>>
>> Sadly, Elaine, you are so hate-filled that you are INCAPABLE of even
>>reading my entire thought before you jump in and start making ugly
>>comments.
>>
>> And I didn't lie above. I was merely talking about the runners of
>>ancient Greece. What would be a "lie" about that?
>>
>> All you are doing, psycho Elaine, is proving yet AGAIN that you are a
>>moron, a hate-filled lying psycho.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Do you suppose than when the runner got to the king and re****ted
in,
>>>>the king FIRST demanded, "did you commit any sins today? If you did,
>>>>I don't want to hear anything you have to say!"
>>>>
>>>Of course you don't, short bus.
>>
>> What?
>>
>> Elaine, you AGAIN prove you are a psychotic idiot.
>>
>>john w
>>
>>snip
>> enough of your pathological hate for one post
>>
>> ----------------- archived for your sanity hearing -----
>
>
>Archived for YOURS.........
!! Now THAT was just plain rude!
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>
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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wrote:
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>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I have also not taken God's name in vain (in my understanding,
>>which is what counts).
>
>No, 'your understanding' does NOT count.
Actually, psycho person, YOUR understanding doesn't count.
>
>Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto
>thine own understanding.
>
>The positive duty has its corresponding negation in the admonition
>against self-confidence... and YOU are pride-filled, and
>overly-confident in your narrow 'understanding'.
And you can quit quoting the Bible to me UNTIL you can start living
it.
;-)
That should keep you quiet for about 10,000 years!
>
> God NEVER said to call people "G-- damned liars". He never said
>"Curse in my name if things upset you."
>
>
>
>Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from
>evil.
>
>You think you're 'superior in knowledge'..... when in fact, DAILY, you
>prove how poorly educated you really are.
>Your words and actions not only reveal you, but DEFEAT YOU.
>
>Pro 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a
>stranger, and not thine own lips.
>
>You consistently boast and praise yourself......
>
>God has no use for the pride-filled, hateful, ***ually inappropriate,
>cunning and deceitful, let alone liars- and you are all of these.
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:41:52 -0700
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:39:26 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>It WOULD be VERY interesting if you ever learned to use the word
>>"libel" correctly.
>
>YOUR problem is, I DO know the real meaning.
You are a liar.
I didn't say anything about Ken Schram that isn't true.
So that-- all by itself-- stupid person, means it wasn't libel.
>
>> For it to be libel,
>> 1 what I have said MUST be UNTRUE (it's not)
>> 2 I must KNOW what I have said is UNTRUE. (it's not)
>> 3 I must have said it with MALICE aforethought (I must have said it
>>INTENTIONALLY to damage Ken Schram
>> ALL 3 factors must apply, not just one; not just two.
>>
>You also claimed 'he lied to you', among other things.........
Correct. Separate situation, separate discussion. He lied to me,
directly, personally, in my e-mail.
He made a statement. I called him on it. He flatly DENIED the
statement. When I gave him more details, he backed up and gave me a
"Oh! That!"
No apologies. Just a "oh! That"
>
>> You AGAIN prove, Queen Liar Elaine, that you don't know what you're
>>talking about, and that you're MORE than willing to LIBEL me.
>> 1. say untrue things (things you can't PROVE)
>I can EASILY prove what I have said concerning you.
Liar.
> YOUR problem is, you also libeled me and my chosen profession, which
>I have practiced since 1974.
And if I had been able to put it together, you would not have
retired in that profession.
I CAN still, however, totally embarrass you in the medical
profession in your area. I can also make DAMN certain y0u never work
in that profession again!
I can also sue you for libel, AND for copyright infringement, AND
for plagiarism.
>You did so with malice and intent to cause me harm, both to my
>reputation, and financially.
What I said about you, and what I WILL say about you, will be with
malice aforethought, and intent to keep you from harming others.
And it's true.
All are my defenses against any ridiculous "libel" charge by you.
You also have YET to figure out, stupid one, that you can't sue me!
;-)
>If I thought you were worth anything, I would have sued.
LOL!
"Be my guest, Stupid one!"
but since you
>were unable to actually harm my good name and profession,
Yet.
I decided
>not to bother with a low-lifing,
libel
lazy,
libel
loafing
libel
little lying weasel
libel.
Your biggest problem with me, psycho Elaine, is that I'm NOT
lazy, loafing, or lying
>like you, weatherless-
AND you get to explain to a judge why you keep butchering my name
like you're a 10-year old. (that should be priceless)
I have you doing it a hundred times. That one, dear, is called
"malicious disregard."
The FACT that you are so VERY DELIBERATELY ABUSIVE of a KNOWN mental
patient (who's doing pretty well in spite of that) shows WANTON
disregard for the general public, and WANTON disregard for your own
"medical profession's" stated values.
(I checked with the Canadian Medical Ethics; you have REPEATEDLY
violated them, not that YOU care)
that should be worth losing your license!
;-)
after all, how much would I get from a scum
>bucket like you, who brags about living on the dole?
Lie.
I am not a scum bucket, so you have AGAIN maliciously libeled me.
And I don't "brag about living on the dole."
What will it be called when YOU draw your federal assistance? Why
won't THAT be "living on the dole?"
And if you're retired, how come your retirement pension isn't YOU
"living on the dole?"
Did you finally get too lazy to work?
Yep! Apparently you did!
>
> --- remainder of johnnie-rant removed!!
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:05:06 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:26:43 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:03:04 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>>>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>>
>>>>>"<~(Hey, WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>"
>>>>><ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>news:1185330308.045974.243330@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>>People who are mentally retarded (people with Down's, autism,
>>>>>microcephaly, etc.) are generally some of the sweetest, gentlest,
>>>>>kindest people on earth. They are nothing like Weatherly who
>>>>>misbehaves with malice, intent, and forethought. He's a sociopathic
>>>>>adult with the ability to choose how he acts and who he hurts. The
>>>>>mentally retarded are better human beings than he is.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please stop putting him into a class of people that he's not worthy
to
>>>>>tie the shoes of.
>>>>>-----------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Amen!
>>>>> Wow! Cathy doesn't like me! Will I EVER survive the night?
>>>>
>>>Of course you will, you are way too self centered to do anything else.
>>
>> choke cough.
>> As you continue to pretend you know me!
>>
>I am familiar with your posting history....
clap clap!
So if you post long enough, I'll know EVERYTHING there is to know
about you!
m m m
You are as stupid as you are stupid.
...or is it someone else using your
>computer again?
When the time is right, I'll reveal who that was. In the meantime,
your INTENTIONAL low-blow, and your willingness to call me a liar
without any reason OTHER than that I don't kiss your ass
are noted.
>
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:14:40 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:56:31 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:24:47 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:58:42 -0700, "<~(Hey,
>>>> WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>>On Jul 24, 6:50 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>>>>>> apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize
to
>>>>>> me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a
cheat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Would you like me to get in touch with him so we can all hear his
side
>>>>>of the story, John?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it's time for YOU to put up or shut up!
>>>>
>>>> Ask him if he remembers his "Open Mike Friday", where the LIAR
>>>> PROMISED, "I don't care what your issue is! Whatever it is you want
to
>>>> sound off about! You get your minute! Just call up! If you're lucky
>>>> enough to be one of the FEW who manages to get through, we'll
>>>> introduce you, and then you have your 60 seconds to SPOUT on your
>>>> favorite subject, beef, or whatever! All we ask is that you remember
>>>> it's a public airwave, and KEEP IT CLEAN."
>>>>
>>>> SO I called. About the 10th time I called, I got through! He asked
>>>> me, "What's up?" I asked him to allow me to inform the listeners of
>>>> Seattle that the Seattle MEDIA and the Seattle judicial system were
>>>> EXTREMELY anti-male, that it was VERY easy for a woman in Seattle to
>>>> falsely accuse her husband of battering her, and she could then
steal
>>>> the kid with the court's-- and the media's-- TOTAL cooperation."
>>>>
>>>> I started to go on, and realized that I heard an echo. I was
talking
>>>> to DEAD air. Without a word, he'd turned me off. I barely got 10
>>>> seconds, much less the publicly PROMISED "60 seconds.
>>>>
>>>Ok so when he said "keep it clean" he should have added "keep it
sane" as
>>>well.
>>
>> Amazing, Cathy!
>>
>Not really. There is a local radio program here called Speak Your Piece.
>Nutty people call in and they are quickly disconected. A radio station
not
>only has to worry about the FCC coming down on them but the loss of
>advertising bucks should the listening public become offended over what
they
>are hearing on the radio.
But that's not what Ken said was his reason for putting me off the
air. "Nice try", but NO SALE.
You just make it up as you go, don't you?
Ken said very specifically, "Open Mike Friday" is open to ANY person
with ANY point of view, as long as you don't use gutter language."
That was a lie. His HIDDEN agenda was that no one could speak
AGAINST one of his pet views. When I spoke AGAINST radical women who
steal children from their husbands, he cut me off. He also said he is
"WAY too "pro-female" to give THAT (my) view ANY air!"
His APOLOGY to the audience that day was "I guess I have my
prejudices. You've just seen one."
>
>> You LEAP over THE POINT in a single bound, and you change the
>> PREMISE of Ken's "Open Mike Friday" to make it all right that he LIED
>> publicly!
>>
>No one is required to give you a soapbox for your irrational rants John
>whether it is open mike friday or not.
Ah! So if YOU don't like what's being said, you reserve the right
to break your word, too!
Nor did I say anything about what he was REQUIRED to do. (you keep
changing the wording ( "lying") to make YOUR point, at the expense of
the points of others!
I SAID, he LIED. I said, he promised, over the air, and then he
publicly, OPENLY broke his promise, and then APOLOGIZED to the
audience.
So apparently Ken doesn't share your view that if he feels like it,
he can kick me in the balls.
He apologized for reneging, to everyone but me.
He is PUBLICLY not an honorable man.
A public person who makes such promises should be required by his
own conscience to keep his promise, whether he likes it or not.
I was HARMING NO ONE. He did it MERELY, PURELY because he didn't
like what I was saying!
I didn't endorse mass murder, I didn't endorse killing the
President, I didn't endorse using illegal drugs.
I said that the fathers of Seattle aren't getting a fair deal, and
he didn't want to hear it.
I was exercising my Free Speech. He is supposed to be all for "Free
Speech." He violated my right to free speech.
not that YOU care!
You are obviously a NAZI like Ken Schram. You only are in favor of
freedoms for those who agree with you.
"Fair enough."
>
>> In other words, if I disagree with YOUR stupidity, if I disagree
>> with Ken's stupidity and his dishonesty, YET AGAIN, it's all MY fault!
>>
>Taking into account your posting history it doesn't take a huge leap to
>assume that what you were spouting was your usual irrational nonsense.
Taking YOUR posting history into account, Cathy, you're no judge of
rational behavior.
And you're still an arrogant, self-im****tant *****. And that's being
polite.
Let
>me repeat it again, no one is required to give you a soap box for your
>irrational rants John.
I didn't say otherwise. I said he LIED.
>
>> You're also such a stupid little bigot yourself that it would never
>> occur to pathological YOU that I'm not psychotic!
>>
>Have you ever considered that your outbursts like above is what got you
cut
>off John?
Have YOU EVER--- E V E R --- considered that you might be wrong?
Answer: no!
You weren't there. You didn't hear a word of it.
Yet YOU are MORE than willing to blame 150 % of the situation on me!
tsk tsk
And you WILL be called on to answer for your INSANE hatred.
>
>Have you considered having your own show on a public access channel?
Yes.
I also dismissed it. And I don't need to tell you why.
I am
>certain you would be way up there with the greats like Alexyss K. Tylor,
>Reverend X/Don Vincent/Spirit of Truth or even Sondra Prill.
Gosh! Your compliments are turning my head!
Psycho *****!
>
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:02:15 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:25:27 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>
>Stupid, save this trash for your book buying fans, we don't care what a
retard thinks!
>Col. Sneak
I think that when your commanders see that you call a mentally ill
person "retard" and "tard", they'll care!
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:44:19 -0700, "<~(Hey,
>> WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> On Jul 24, 10:21 am, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> You AGAIN don't know what the HELL you are talking about, and YOU
>>>> are the liar!
>>> Don't like having your bluff called, do you?
>>
>> "bluffing?" About WHAT?
>>
>> I would GUARANTEE you that if you could play back the last 5 years
>> of Ken Schram's commentaries, you'd hear more than one profanity!
>> I don't hear him every day, and I've heard TWO that I'm aware of!
>>
>>>> Perhaps profanity isn't something you tune in to! I do!
>>> No doubt you "tune in" to profanity, John.
>>
>> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>
>> When you have nothing to say, you can't just shut up; you MUST say
>> something STUPID!
>> You're just THAT pathologically pissed off that I and NUMEROUS
>> others don't accept your false claims to being a "gay Christian."
>>
>> Take it up with God.
>>
>>>> He also smokes. So he's a Roman Catholic (who says so openly), he
>>>> smokes, which he BRAGS about ("maybe I'll quit SOME DAY! Maybe I
>>>> won't!")
>>>> Which goes to the HEART of his basic lack of character and
>>>> self-destructive tendencies.
>>> There are alot of Christians who smoke, John
>>
>> Says who?
>>
>> and all it reveals is
>>> that they are human.
>>
>> If there were 100 "Christians" I knew who smoked and who used
>> profanity in public, I'd have to seriously question their
>> Christianity.
>> And last I heard, Ken didn't call himself a "Christian." He calls
>> himself a "Roman Catholic." There's a HUGE difference between the
>> two, and if you aren't aware of that, then I have to question YOUR
>> Christianity (which I already challenge)
>>
>> You claim that Dr. Phil is a Christian,
>> Yes, I do. At the very least, he claims to be a Christian, and I've
>> heard NOTHING on his show that leads me to believe he isn't.
>>
>> uses bad
>>> language,
>>
>> In context, correct. HOWEVER, I've never EVER heard Dr Phil PUBLICLY,
>> OPENLY use profanity.
>>
>> HUGE difference between saying "Go f* yourself!" (which I've heard
>> him get VERY close to) and saying "God damnit!" Which he has NOT
>> said!
>>
>> brags about it,
>>
>> ?????
>>
>> You sure do like to re-interpret! I don't recall him ever BRAGGING
>> about his cursing. I believe he's as human as anyone else, and it
>> comes out on his show.
>> One thing you DO see about Dr Phil MacGraw is that he makes no
>> apologies for being HUMAN.
>>
>> and that's okay with you because you see it
>>> as an excuse to use profanity in Usenet.
>>
>> ?????
>> I don't judge Phil MacGraw.
>>
>> Nor do I use profanity on usenet.
>>
>> If you were a smoker, you
>>> would consider Christian celebrities who smoke a ringing endorsement,
>>> wouldn't you?
>>
>> no. AGAIN, kindly don't speak for me!
>>
>> Too bad you don't know of any Christians who are
>>> proponents of ****ography, huh?
>>
>> ??????
>> YOu sure jump from topic to topic a lot when you're looking foolish!
>> And I DO know of Christians-- famous ones-- who do endorse (at
>> least they don't CONDEMN) ****ography.
>>
>> Would you like THAT list?
>>
>>>> Plus, he dissed me a few years back, meaning he LIED on public
radio!
>>> And that's what really sticks in your craw about Ken, isn't it.
>>
>> One of the things. Yes. Not the only thing.
>>
>> Not
>>> that you have concocted a story about him using profanity on the air,
>>
>> Well, now that you've openly called me a liar regarding his using
>> profanity on the air, we're done here.
>>
>> john w
>>
>>
>>> not that he smokes, not even that's he's Catholic - but that he saw
>>> you for exactly who you are: a looney toon. He's probably now got
>>> your name on a list of whacko's to watch out for.
>>>
>>>> The two profanities I referred to are two profanities he used on
the
>>>> air!
>>> You *think* you heard him say that, just like you *think* you heard
>>> Diane Keaton say something she didn't (just like you *think* you saw
a
>>> 1st Century Pauline church in Izmir, no, wait the history books are
>>> wrong - it used to be called Smyrna!)
>>>
>>> <snipped more delusional rantings>
>>>
>>>> He's a liar, and you are a liar!
>>> Yes, John. Everone's a liar but you.
>>>
>>> Call your Primary Care Physician, call your psychiatrist, and take
>>> your medication. Please.
>>
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>
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:20:52 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:57:58 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>news:55bda3hagkdnu4d424i9una4v6lg5pac6a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>>>There are alot of Christians who smoke, John
>>>>
>>>> Says who?
>>>>
>>>So did you ingest that Canadian bud or what John?
>>
>> I keep wondering if you'll EVER get around to saying something
>> positive.
>> Or if you intend to keep up your childish snip snip snipping for the
>> rest of your life.
>>
>> You apparently haven't heard the one about "if you can't say something
>> nice..."
>>
>My guess is that you smoked it.
Thanks for making my point for me!
You are at this stage of your mental disease (self-im****tant-itis is
one of your diagnoses)
incapable of saying anything nice to me or about me.
Your hatred is an ugly thing.
>
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:54:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:f87pc5$8a0$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Vernono O wrote:
>>> "John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:f87fkg$7pj$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:33:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hncca3hkan1hmohtcgshfrrl4bp1pthar0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read James three times.
>>>>>> Come back when you have figured the words about the tongues and
>>>>>> conflicts.
>>>>>> It is ALL ABOUT you and those like you.
>>>>> When you give me some indication that you're a Christian, you can
>>>>> come back and give me readings from the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, I've seen LITTLE from you but HATE.
>>>>>
>>>> So far, what you've been seeing is totally unreliable.
>>>>
>>>> JohnHenry
>>>>> john w
>>>>>
>>>
>>> John doesn't know where James is.
>> And he certainly didn't read it three times...unless we count
skimming.
>>>
>
>From his answer, what he reads in the bible is dependant on what someone
>says. If he doesn't agree with someone he blocks out sections of the
bible.
>Actually there isn't a single person in this ARCB that couldn't profit
from
>practically memorizing James and reading commentaries.
>It relatively defines Earthly wisdom, Heavenly wisdom, controlling the
>tongue, Lying, how to treat those who create strife (wars) within the
>brotherhood and thus defining those who will never see heaven.
>
>There are people here that call others disgusting names and think they
are
>justified. There are three kinds of wisdom (Per James) that are NOT
>spiritually profitable, Earthly, sensual and demonic. Name calling
falls
>into the Demonic wisdom. Of course those with that type of wisdom have
no
>knowledge that it is Demonic. Those same often fall into the ****o
world
>which is sensual. Then there are those who are so connected to what the
>bible calls "earthly" that they are Atheists. These have no real
scientific
>knowledge. James covers them all well.
>
>This thread is originated concerning a semi phrase that "could be" close
to
>blasphemy. People talk about the messenger without mentioning that it
was
>from a script by a company that has a pretty bad reputation for decades.
While that may be true, any actor or actress who agreed to do the
commercial could have refused to do that line, or could have demanded
that it be re-written.
And-- AGAIN-- I gave Diane Keaton no blame. The blame is on L'Oreal.
And aside from your comments, I have seen NO commercial prior to this
one in which ANYONE, whether celebrity or joe anybody, used profanity
like that!
My point WAS and IS that this is apparently a test by L'Oreal to see
how Christians would respond.
My mistake was to post the information in here, where "nobody gives a
damn."
You're all too busy skinning and cooking the messenger.
>The gross part of the thread is comments by those who use MUCH WORSE
>language EVERY DAY, AND have no clue how to stick with a thread without
>calling someone derogatory names associated with the anus, genitals,
feces,
>animals and implied taking the Lords name in vain.
And if that's a reference to me, once again, you're a liar.
Now, find some reference to "anus, genitals, feces, animals and
implied taking the Lords name in vain. "
You also fail to take into consideration that several of the above ^
^ are in the BIBLE.
Pompous, arrogant person.
>
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:54:49 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:54:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:f87pc5$8a0$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Vernono O wrote:
>>> "John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:f87fkg$7pj$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:33:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hncca3hkan1hmohtcgshfrrl4bp1pthar0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read James three times.
>>>>>> Come back when you have figured the words about the tongues and
>>>>>> conflicts.
>>>>>> It is ALL ABOUT you and those like you.
>>>>> When you give me some indication that you're a Christian, you can
>>>>> come back and give me readings from the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, I've seen LITTLE from you but HATE.
>>>>>
>>>> So far, what you've been seeing is totally unreliable.
>>>>
>>>> JohnHenry
>>>>> john w
>>>>>
>>>
>>> John doesn't know where James is.
>> And he certainly didn't read it three times...unless we count
skimming.
>>>
>
>From his answer, what he reads in the bible
You're gossiping.
is dependant on what someone
>says. If he doesn't agree with someone he blocks out sections of the
bible.
>Actually there isn't a single person in this ARCB that couldn't profit
from
>practically memorizing James and reading commentaries.
Hmmmmm.... So, you're saying, Vern, that you have practically
memorized James.
How come no one can tell? You're still arrogant, you're still
obnoxious. What changed?
>It relatively defines Earthly wisdom, Heavenly wisdom, controlling the
>tongue, Lying, how to treat those who create strife (wars) within the
>brotherhood and thus defining those who will never see heaven.
>
>There are people here that call others disgusting names and think they
are
>justified. There are three kinds of wisdom (Per James) that are NOT
>spiritually profitable, Earthly, sensual and demonic. Name calling
falls
>into the Demonic wisdom. Of course those with that type of wisdom have
no
>knowledge that it is Demonic. Those same often fall into the ****o
world
>which is sensual. Then there are those who are so connected to what the
>bible calls "earthly" that they are Atheists. These have no real
scientific
>knowledge. James covers them all well.
>
>This thread is originated concerning a semi phrase that "could be" close
to
>blasphemy. People talk about the messenger without mentioning that it
was
>from a script by a company that has a pretty bad reputation for decades.
>The gross part of the thread is comments by those who use MUCH WORSE
>language EVERY DAY, AND have no clue how to stick with a thread without
>calling someone derogatory names associated with the anus, genitals,
feces,
>animals and implied taking the Lords name in vain.
>
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:53:30 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:14:12 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>Vernono O wrote:
>> "John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:f87fkg$7pj$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:33:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hncca3hkan1hmohtcgshfrrl4bp1pthar0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>> Read James three times.
>>>>> Come back when you have figured the words about the tongues and
>>>>> conflicts.
>>>>> It is ALL ABOUT you and those like you.
>>>> When you give me some indication that you're a Christian, you can
>>>> come back and give me readings from the Bible.
>>>>
>>>> So far, I've seen LITTLE from you but HATE.
>>>>
>>> So far, what you've been seeing is totally unreliable.
>>>
>>> JohnHenry
>>>> john w
>>>>
>>
>> John doesn't know where James is.
>>
>And he certainly didn't read it three times...unless we count skimming.
You're gossiping.
Of course, since you're PERFECT, that's ok!
(there's a rumor going around that God died, and now YOU're sitting
on the throne.)
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:52:30 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:52:06 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>
>"John Henry" <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:f87fkg$7pj$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:33:55 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>> news:hncca3hkan1hmohtcgshfrrl4bp1pthar0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> Read James three times.
>>>> Come back when you have figured the words about the tongues and
>>>> conflicts.
>>>> It is ALL ABOUT you and those like you.
>>>
>>> When you give me some indication that you're a Christian, you can
>>> come back and give me readings from the Bible.
>>>
>>> So far, I've seen LITTLE from you but HATE.
>>>
>> So far, what you've been seeing is totally unreliable.
>>
>> JohnHenry
>>>
>>> john w
>>>
>
>John doesn't know where James is.
You're gossiping, and you just lied. again.
I'm sure Jesus loves you ever so much more for your put-downs!
;-)
>
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:09:29 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
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article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:36:47 -0400, "Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
><snip>
>>>>>bible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I am saying is that the book of 1 Cor was in WIDE circulation
in
>>>> the 1st Century AD, and the CHURCH of THAT day was WELL aware of
>>>> Paul's teaching CENTURIES before any "Nicean Council" made any
>>>> "decisions" or "canonized" any books.
>>>
>>>Are you aware that the letters of Paul were correspondence sent to the
>>>various churches they are named for?
>>
>> Of course! If you are a "Johnny-come-lately", I am one whose pastors
>> these past 50 + years have been NOTED scholars (Bible translators all)
>> I doubt if you could tell me much
>
>I never said nor intended to imply you were a "Johnny-come-lately", I
also
>never intended to imply that I was qualified to *tell* anyone
*anything*. I
>only try and express what I have been led by the spirit to understand
>concerning the material under discussion which I have read after praying
for
>the holy spirit to lead me into understanding.
>
>>
>> (other than in the original languages/I have NO gift for languages)
>>
>> that I don't already know.
>>
>> I have MANY times had people comment that my list of pastors reads
>> like a "Who's Who" of 20th and 21st C Christian Theologians.
>
>I have no reason to doubt that ither
>>
>>
>> As such they were *not* read as
>>>scripture,
>>
>> Say your "sources", and my sources would not agree. This precise issue
>> has been discussed /debated at more than one church, and in more than
>> one SEMINARY.
>
>Let me clarify, that when the letters of Paul were first sent by *Paul*
to
>the various churches, they were sent as admonitions, directions and as
>instruction. At the *time* they were written by Paul they were *not*
>intended by Paul to be scripture. Indeed I doubt that Paul would even
have
>considered himself worthy of writing *scripture*; but rather he wrote
them
>in an earnest attempt to try and help people draw closer to God. It was
not
>until century's later that his letters were *canonized*; but I don't
believe
>Paul himself ever intended them to be such. There is also to my
thinking
>absolutely *no* doubt however that Paul's letter most certainly *were*
>inspired by God if not indeed even directed by the holy spirit as he
wrote
>them; because even if Paul did not know they would later be used as
>scripture; the holy spirit most certainly *did*.
One quick comment of clarification.
You are telling me-- it seems-- that YOU know "when the Holy Spirit
comes upon you" and YOU know that "what He is telling you is true."
HOWEVER, you ALSO believe that the men who walked and talked with
Jesus for 3 years, AND Paul, who had a face-to-face encounter with
Jesus, and who Jesus taught for YEARS in the Spirit...
YOU know when the Holy Spirit "comes on you.."
But Paul and the other writers didn't!
You know that what they wrote was "inspired by the Holy Spirit'
but Paul and the others DIDN'T!!!
"They were just jotting notes!"
???
You gotta be kidding!
You sincerely don't believe that Paul was VERY aware of his
"anointing?"
You're mad!
And you OBVIOUSLY have not studied the Bible at the graduate school
level!
Your knowledge of the Bible and of Christianity is kindergarten level!
john w
>
>>
>> Believe me, the writings of the apostles (those that survive) were
>> CHERISHED, and they were understood as inspired. And they were passed
>> around.
>
>Agreed; but when they were *first* written they were *not* written as
nor
>intended to be scripture, at least not by the authors their self;
because I
>don't believe they would have presumed to have been worthy to write
>scriptures to be added to the bible. Unless the holy spirit in effect
when
>inspiring and leading them to write told them that they were to write
that
>which will later become scripture I just don't see them believi |
