>> The name of Jesus is absent of Genesis.
>>
>
>I said Matthew and Genesis colp, are you going to pretend that the name
>of Jesus is absent from Matthew, or are you goint to pretend that the
>name of Matthew was absent from my answer?
>
>> D: "I and my Father are one."
>>
>> This means of one purpose, not that they are and the same.
>
>Wrong again colp, Jesus did not say one purpose, they are one and the
>same.
>
>>
>> That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee,
>> that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou
>> hast sent me.
>> And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be
>> one, even as we are one:
>> John 17:21-22
>>
>
>Wrong Bible quote colp.
>
>I was referring to John 10:29-33
>
>My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able
>to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.Then the
>Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus answered them, Many good
>works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye
>stone me?The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee
>not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest
>thyself God.
>
>> If Jesus is the same as YHWH then they are both the same as the
>> disciples of John 16.
>
>Wroong again colp, recycling discredited arguments from the past will
>just result in you being discredited.
>
>Jesus does pray that his disciples may be one, as he and his heavenly
>Father are one, not because the unity would resemble the unity of the
>Trinity by a perfect and exact likeness, but only as far as it is
>possible for men to imitate the perfections of God.
This argument "Is Jesus divine" is almost as old as the argument 'Is
there a God?" and will not be resolved before the Christ (the Jesus
God/man) returns in His glory to establish His earthly Kingdom once
and for all.
For then, "every knee shall bow".
John 1 made it quite clear that the Son was the Father in flesh, as
did Paul in Colossians 2. 'For in Him (the Son/Christ Jesus) dwelt all
the fullness of the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) in Flesh."
If you read Rev 1-3 and Rev 22, you find the descriptive "Alpha and
Omega"-- a title reserved for God the Father-- being used for Jesus
and by Jesus.
Those who reject the deity of the Christ also reject God and the
Trinity.
Why argue?
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Subject: [ Wa****ngton ] State Supreme Court upholds gay marriage ban
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[ Wa****ngton ] State Supreme Court upholds gay marriage ban
By Lornet Turnbull <mailto:lturnbull@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Seattle Times staff re****ter
The Wa****ngton Supreme Court today upheld the state's 1998 ban on
same-*** marriage — a ruling decried by gay activists but heralded by
sup****ters of traditional marriage.
The 5-to-4 decision came as a sobering defeat for gays and their
advocates, who'd hoped the court would strike down the so-named
Defense of Marriage Act — DOMA — which restricts marriage to one man
and one woman.
Had the court struck down the law, Wa****ngton would have become only
the second state in the nation, after Massachussets, to allow same-***
couples to marry.
Wa****ngton passed DOMA in 1998, two years after the federal government
passed such a law, defining marriage as a union between one man and
one woman. Since then, a majority of states have passed similar
gay-marriage bans.
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<bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:52:52 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>>> I used to read a lot of fantasy sci-fi books about that stuff.
>>> It was cool.
>>
>> How very juvenile of you to ridicule others merely because you don't
>> understand them.
>
>It's because I understand you, that I feel comfortable ridiculing you.
Actually, you have little to no understanding of me.
>
>You're a religious zealot, not a retard.
I am neither. I am not a religious zealot, or my life and my
lifestyle-- my day-to-day activities would be quite different.
What I WILL do is defend my beliefs when people attack them.
That is not being a "zealot." That is being a mature adult who is not
afraid to defend myself and my faith.
I am betting there are causes for which YOU fight. Likely, you're one
of the loudest screamers at your local s****ts bar, when your team does
something good.
Making you a "s****ts fanatic." So how come it's ok to be a fanatic
about the local s****ts teams, but if you're a fanatic for God, there's
something wrong with you?
I'd say your attitude is need of SERIOUS adjustment. Called "Live
and let live." Without making rude comments.
>If you were a retard, I'd give you a break.
>But you don't have that excuse.
I never said I was " a retard." Some of the local retards have said
that about me, as if...
>
>Religious zealotry (particularly with regards to apocalyptic sects like
>Xianity) is a character flaw.
What a crack-up!
And if you don't believe in air, will IT cease to exist? If you
refuse to believe in gravity, will you float away into space?
One could say that those who refuse to believe in Christianity, in
spite of the OBVIOUS evidence (the prophesies about the End Times
continue to be fulfilled whether you believe it or not)
are those with character flaws.
At any rate, was this little "chew" supposed to upset me?
smirk.
I thought you said you knew me!!
chuckle.
And if 9/11 taught us nothing else, it's
>that we can no longer afford to give You People the benefit of the
doubt.
????? You blame 9/11 on ME?
So you're one of THEM!
And how do you plan on ridding the planet of us "Xians?"
A bomb? nope. There are too many of us.
Are you and your 10 buddies gonna hop in the back of your pickup
(the one with the racoon tail) and grab your 10 shotguns and hunt us
down one-by-one?
chuckle. You might give some consideration to the FACT that some
of us (many) might just fight back!
;-)
I understand that at least two WORLD-famous evangelical Christians
(my sort) are also avid hunters (meaning they're QUITE conversant with
the long sticks that go 'BOOM!").
Ever hear of General Colin Powell or General Norman Schwarzkpof?
I doubt if either of them will be any easier to "take down" than I
will!
;-)
But you're more than welcome to try.
he he he
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Subject: Re: Walksalone, are you hanging around close by ?
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:06:33 -0700
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:36:42 GMT, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>walksalone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> In <1vbqi.29096$2v1.22272@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, on 07/27/07
>> at 01:02 AM, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Walksalone, are you hanging around close by ? I've got a question
for
>>> you. I am curious, has anyone ever done research on how the ideas of
>>> gods first began in the human mind ?
>>
>> Research? Can't say as I've heard of formal honest to gosh research on
>> the subject.
>>
>> Research on mental conditions that lead to religious experiences, a
>> frontal lobe brain seizure does it every time. They have been
induced.
>> Seems to me even Readers Digest had an article on it at the time. 2,
>> maybe 3 years ago IIRC.
>>
>> Current thinking:
>> Man's incoherent need to find a pattern in everything. This could lead
>> to the god concept when it comes to explaining natural phenomena. But
>> it does not have much in the way of a satisfying answer. More probable
>> but still unknown:
>> Some smart fellow me lad noticed he was good at predicting something,
>> let's say the weather. He used that knowledge to gain power &
prestige
>> within his social group. Still, how can you test/research that.
>>
>> Now, some say it's is a malfunction of a survival meme, Dawkins has
some
>> information on that in his *the god delusion*, chap. two maybe.
>>
>> Me, I can accept the malfunction thesis as well as any other, but
>> suspect it is a combination of many factors. A brain seizure combined
>> with a willingness to believe what can kindly be referred too as
>> unbelievable could be the primary cause.
>>
>> Whatever the cause, there are over 25000 known claimants in the god
>> competition.
>>
>>> Rod
>>
>> You need to be careful Rod, these are the variety of questions that
have
>> caused many a believer to quit.
>
> I'm not the typical believer, I'm what they would label a heretic. I
> cannot convince myself that the bible is an inspired word of God with
> so many mistakes in it, more like the uninspired word of man. I have
> not seen any evidence yet that it is inspired by anything other than
> human imagination, delusions or visions of some nature. I can induce
> the same results without eating for 24 hours.
>
> This paragraph should be good for starting another usenet war or two,
> thats usually what happens. They call you a few names, make some
> slanderous remarks, have a big fit and still not say anything worth
> hearing.
>
> Frankly, I'm tired of dancing and don't give a damn.
>
>
> Rod
Well, gosh!
Thanks for at LEAST finally admitting, Rod, that you're up to no
good!
:-)
Some of us were aware of that, but it WAS nice of you to finally
admit it in writing!
:-)
Of course, you'll have the crazies who will hang on you and love you
anyway, as long as you agree to the super-secret handshake and the
"pact" ("We hereby agree to hate John Weatherly/"Weatherless", and to
stone him whenever he appears.")
The principal signer, of course, being none of than Insane Elaine
the Pain Matthews.
Otherwise known as "Elaine Matthewsevenless".
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Subject: Re: Walksalone, are you hanging around close by ?
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:03:29 -0700
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:02:53 GMT, Rod <kc0oeb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>Walksalone, are you hanging around close by ? I've got a question
>for you. I am curious, has anyone ever done research on how the ideas
>of gods first began in the human mind ?
>
>
>
> Rod
I DO wonder why such a conversation would come up in a Christian
group, and not in a group devoted to [smirk] "atheists."
Intending to provoke a clamor amongst the Christians, are we?
tsk tsk. infantile!
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Subject: Re: Hello--I'm new to the group
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:01:44 -0700
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>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:41:30 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"john w(liar-johnnie short-bus St. ****o) @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote
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>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:02:52 -0000, jknbt2
>>> <TRINITYONLINEBIBLESTUDY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>Hello--
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to the group--Hi to all...I'm from Baytown, Tx, USA, work in
a
>>>>chem plant as a tech, about to mold with all the rain-rain-and-more-
>>>>rain this goofy global warming is causing....
>>>>
>>>>anyhow, I just put up a cool web site (little graphix, lotsa text) on
>>>>the subject of the Trinity...see:
>>>>
>>>>http://trinityonlinebiblestudy.googlepages.com/home
>>>>
>>>>It's still so new that the web crawler probably hasn't found it
yet...
>>>>
>>>>anyhow, I have some insights to share on the Trinity...
>>>>
>>>>discussion invited...
>>>
>>> Okay.
>>> I see several problems right off the bat. I admit to not having
>>> read the entire page, but I saw some issues immediately.
>>
>>ha ha ha ha ha ha
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hence, as you are trying to defend the Trinity doctrine, Col 2
>>> becomes a POWERFUL statement (and I've checked this with numerous
>>> scholars),
>>
>>
>>Numerous Scholars? snicker
>>
>Yep---- most likely his 'scholars' were:
gossip!
I have listed the scholars I know and have known MANY times, Insane
Elaine! Would you like a partial list again?
Dr Walter Carpenter
Dr Walter Pegg
Dr RB Culbreth
Dr Clyde Taylor
I think that's enough for now.
:-)
>
>The Three Stooges
>Popeye
>The Katzenjammer Kids
>Scooby Doo
>The Muppets
>Howdy Doody
>Lassie
>Rin Tin Tin
>The Lone Ranger
>Dr. Who
>
>
>Sorry if I may have inadvertently omitted any!!
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Subject: Re: Hello--I'm new to the group
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:00:03 -0700
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:02:52 -0000, jknbt2
>> <TRINITYONLINEBIBLESTUDY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>Hello--
>>>
>>>I'm new to the group--Hi to all...I'm from Baytown, Tx, USA, work in a
>>>chem plant as a tech, about to mold with all the rain-rain-and-more-
>>>rain this goofy global warming is causing....
>>>
>>>anyhow, I just put up a cool web site (little graphix, lotsa text) on
>>>the subject of the Trinity...see:
>>>
>>>http://trinityonlinebiblestudy.googlepages.com/home
>>>
>>>It's still so new that the web crawler probably hasn't found it yet...
>>>
>>>anyhow, I have some insights to share on the Trinity...
>>>
>>>discussion invited...
>>
>> Okay.
>> I see several problems right off the bat. I admit to not having
>> read the entire page, but I saw some issues immediately.
>
>ha ha ha ha ha ha
You TRULY have proved over the years, Vern, that you have nothing to
say.
Tho I supoose at some infantile, un-Christian level, it's "fun" (?)
to pick up rocks and throw them every time that person you HATE
appears.
eh?
I DO continue to wonder how you'll explain such to Jesus when He
comes. I'm betting you haven't given that ANY thought.
;-)
john w
>
>>
>>
>> Hence, as you are trying to defend the Trinity doctrine, Col 2
>> becomes a POWERFUL statement (and I've checked this with numerous
>> scholars),
>
>
>Numerous Scholars? snicker
>
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Subject: Re: Hello--I'm new to the group
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:57:45 -0700
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:50:17 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:49:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>> For some reason, there are some today who insist on using the KJV
>>rather extensively. And since they use the KJV, they use the archaic
>>language whether they realize it or they don't.
>
>
>Another pity party, weatherless?
Not at all, Insane Elaine.
He asked for comments. I commented.
There is NO reason (aside from ignorance) today to call The Holy
Spirit "Holy Ghost."
THAT was my point, and YOU seemed to lose track of that while engaged
in your "let's stone John again" party.
"Get a life, move on."
;-)
betcha can't!
>
>Just because you're too stupid to know how to read the KJV, that
>doesn't mean that Bible version is useless.
>
>Now hug Teddy and take your meds, you phony baloney.
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>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:37:58 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>> Who exactly is this troll "Redfox", who once went by the equally
>>ridiculous "Phar Lap?"
>>
>
>Why do you need to know, short bus?
Did you mutter something again, Insane Elaine?
Didn't think so!
:-)
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Subject: Re: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:57:58 -0700
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:38:13 -0700, arah <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>John w,
>
>Prove to me if Muhammad and his four Caliphs ever hurt or killed any
>Christian?.Prove to me if Muhammad ever force any Christians to become
>Muslim?
A sidestep! Today, there are people being killed in the world BY
MUSLIMS for NO reason other than:
1. they're American
2. they're not Muslims
3. they're Christians.
Perhaps you would like to deny that the Jihad Osama declared when the
present war began was against "Americans, America's allies, and
Christians!"
>
>A Christian Appreciation of Muhammad
>By
>Clinton Bennett
>
>http://www.geocities.com/clintonbennett/Lectures/Muhammad.htm
>
>
>
>On Jul 26, 5:00 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yesOn Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:53:05 -0700, arah <arah1...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>> >I will never waste my time and my energy in this forum if I don't
love
>> >Jesus and if I don't love my Christian brothers .
>>
>> Don't rip Christians and our God and our Bible and then call
>> yourself "my brother."
>>
>> You are a liar, and you are a hater.
>>
>> And the day will VERY LIKELY come when you will try to kill me
>> because I won't become a Muslim!
>>
>> john w
>>
>>
>>
>> >My assumption is right, I noticed that many Christians are blind
>> >follower of the Churches and none can prove that the bible does not
>> >contradict .
>>
>> >Until this moment no Christian can prove that Jesus mentioned in the
>> >bible that he is God or Jesus instructed us to pray to him as God.
>>
>> >Until this moment no Christian can prove that the bible is divine we
>> >only have the Gospel according to Matthew, the Gospel according to
>> >Mark etc.Why there is no Gospel according to Jesus?
>>
>> >Looking forwand for your reply John w.
>>
>> >On Jul 26, 12:42 am, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> x-no-archive: yesOn Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:14:03 -0700, arah <arah1...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>> >> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>
>> >> >THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
>>
>> >> >Matthew's is the first of the four Gospels as they appear in the
New
>> >> >Testament. This position is perfectly justified by the fact that
it is
>> >> >a prolongation, as it were, of the Old Testament.
>>
>> >> I'm not certain what it is you believe you gain by coming into a
>> >> Christian group and attacking Christians, Christ, and the Bible.
>>
>> >> Would you like it if a dozen or more Christians hooked up with the
>> >> Islam group(s) and attacked Allah, the Koran, and Muslims?
>>
>> >> Perhaps that's a project someone should arrange!
>>
>> >> I thought the Muslim religion was a religion of peace and
tolerance;
>> >> you demonstrate neither as your "brothers in the faith" continue to
>> >> MURDER each other (Iraq), and non-Muslims (for not being Muslims)
all
>> >> over the world.
>>
>> >> ??
>>
>> >> john w
>> >> It was written to
>>
>> >> >show that "Jesus fulfilled the history of Israel", as the
commentators
>> >> >of the E***enical Translation of the Bible note and on which we
shall
>> >> >be drawing heavily. To do BO, Matthew constantly refers to
quotations
>> >> >from the Old Testament which show how Jesus acted as if he were
the
>> >> >Messiah the Jews were awaiting.
>>
>> >> >This Gospel begins with a genealogy of Jesus [ The fact that it is
in
>> >> >contradiction with Luke's Gospel will be dealt with in a separate
>> >> >chapter.]. Matthew traces it back to Abraham via David. We shall
>> >> >presently see the fault in the text that most commentators
silently
>> >> >ignore. Matthew's obvious intention was nevertheless to indicate
the
>> >> >general tenor of his work straight away by establi****ng this line
of
>> >> >descendants. The author continues the same line of thought by
>> >> >constantly bringing to the forefront Jesus's attitude toward
Jewish
>> >> >law, the main principles of which (praying, fasting, and
dispensing
>> >> >charity) are summarized here.
>>
>> >> >Jesus addresses His teachings first and foremost to His own
people.
>> >> >This is how He speaks to the twelve Apostles "go nowhere among the
>> >> >Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans [ The Samaritans'
>> >> >religious code was the Torah or Pentateuch; they lived in the
>> >> >expectation of the Messiah and were faithful to most Jewish
>> >> >observances, but they had built a rival Temple to the one at
>> >> >Jerusalem.] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
>> >> >Israel." (Matthew 10, 5-6). "I was sent only to the lost sheep of
the
>> >> >house of Israel". (Matthew 15, 24). At the end of his Gospel, in
>> >> >second place, Matthew extends the apostolic mission of Jesus's
first
>> >> >disciples to all nations. He makes Jesus give the following order.
"Go
>> >> >therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28, 19), but
the
>> >> >primary destination must be the 'house of Israel'.
>>
>> >> >Tricot says of this Gospel, "Beneath its Greek garb, the flesh and
>> >> >bones of this book are Jewish, and so is its spirit; it has a
Jewish
>> >> >feel and bears its distinctive signs".
>>
>> >> >On the basis of these observations alone, the origins of Matthew's
>> >> >Gospel may be placed in the tradition of a Judeo-Christian
community.
>> >> >According to O. Culmann, this community "was trying to break away
from
>> >> >Judaism while at the same time preserving the continuity of the
Old
>> >> >Testament. The main preoccupations and the general tenor of this
>> >> >Gospel point towards a strained situation."
>>
>> >> >There are also political factors to be found in the text. The
Roman
>> >> >occupation of Palestine naturally heightened the desire of this
>> >> >country to see itself liberated. They prayed for God to intervene
in
>> >> >favour of the people He had chosen among all others, and as their
>> >> >omnipotent sovereign who could give direct sup****t to the affairs
of
>> >> >men, as He had already done many times in the course of history.
>>
>> >> >What sort of person was Matthew? Let us say straight away that he
is
>> >> >no longer acknowledged to be one of Jesus's companions. A. Tricot
>> >> >nevertheless presents him as such in his commentary to the
translation
>> >> >of the New Testament, 1960: "Matthew alias, Levi, was a customs
>> >> >officer employed at the tollgate or customs house at Capharnaum
when
>> >> >Jesus called him to be one of His disciples." This is the opinion
of
>> >> >the Fathers of the Church, Origen, Jerome and Epiphanes. This
opinion
>> >> >is no longer held today. One point which is uncontested is that
the
>> >> >author is writing "for people who speak Greek, but nevertheless
know
>> >> >Jewish customs and the Aramaic language."
>>
>> >> >It would seem that for the commentators of the E***enical
Translation,
>> >> >the origins of this Gospel are as follows:
>>
>> >> >"It is normally considered to have been written in Syria, perhaps
at
>> >> >Antioch (. . .), or in Phoenicia, because a great many Jews lived
in
>> >> >these countries. [ It has been thought that the Judeo-Christian
>> >> >community that Matthew belonged to might just as easily have been
>> >> >situated at Alexandria. O. Culmann refers to this hypothesis along
>> >> >with many others.] (. . .) we have indications of a polemic
against
>> >> >the orthodox Judaism of the Synagogue and the Pharasees such as
was
>> >> >manifested at the synagogal assembly at Jamina circa 80 A.D." In
such
>> >> >conditions, there are many authors who date the first of the
Gospels
>> >> >at about 80-90 A.D., perhaps also a little earlier. it is not
possible
>> >> >to be absolutely definite about this . . . since we do not know
the
>> >> >author's exact name, we must be satisfied with a few outlines
traced
>> >> >in the Gospel itself. the author can be recognized by his
profession.
>> >> >He is well-versed in Jewish writings and traditions. He knows,
>> >> >respects, but vigorously challenges the religious leaders of his
>> >> >people. He is a past master in the art of teaching and making
Jesus
>> >> >understandable to his listeners. He always insists on the
practical
>> >> >consequences of his teachings. He would fit fairly well the
>> >> >description of an educated Jew turned Christian; a householder
"who
>> >> >brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old" as Matthew
>> >> >says (13,52). This is a long way from the civil servant at
Capharnaum,
>> >> >whom Mark and Luke call Levi, and who had become one of the twelve
>> >> >Apostles . . .
>>
>> >> >Everyone agrees in thinking that Matthew wrote his Gospel using
the
>> >> >same sources as Mark and Luke. His narration is, as we shall see,
>> >> >different on several essential points. In spite of this, Matthew
>> >> >borrowed heavily from Mark's Gospel although the latter was not
one of
>> >> >Jesus's disciples (O. Culmann).
>>
>> >> >Matthew takes very serious liberties with the text. We shall see
this
>> >> >when we discuss the Old Testament in relation to the genealogy of
>> >> >Jesus which is placed at the beginning of his Gospel.
>>
>> >> >He inserts into his book descriptions which are quite literally
>> >> >incredible. This is the adjective used in the work mentioned above
by
>> >> >Father Kannengiesser referring to an episode in the Resurrection.
the
>> >> >episode of the guard. He points out the improbability of the story
>> >> >referring to military guards at the tomb, "these Gentile
soldiers" who
>> >> >"re****t, not to their hierarchical superiors, but to the high
priests
>> >> >who pay them to tell lies". He adds however: "One must not laugh
at
>> >> >him because Matthew's intention was extremely serious. In his own
way
>> >> >he incor****ates ancient data from the oral tradition into his
written
>> >> >work. The scenario is nevertheless worthy of Jesus Christ
Superstar.
>> >> >[ An American film which parodies the life of Jesus.]"
>>
>> >> >Let us not forget that this opinion on Matthew comes from an
eminent
>> >> >theologian teaching at the Catholic Institute of Paris (Institut
>> >> >Catholique de Paris).
>>
>> >> >Matthew relates in his narration the events accompanying the death
of
>> >> >Jesus. They are another example of his imagination.
>>
>> >> >"And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top
to
>> >> >bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs
also
>> >> >were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep
were
>> >> >raised, and coming out of tombs after his resurrection they went
into
>> >> >the holy city and appeared to many."
>>
>> >> >This passage from Matthew (27, 51-53) has no corresponding passage
in
>> >> >the other Gospels. It is difficult to see how the bodies of the
saints
>> >> >in question could have raised from the dead at the time of Jesus's
>> >> >death (according to the Gospels it was on the eve of the Sabbath)
and
>> >> >only emerge from their tombs after his resurrection (according to
the
>> >> >same sources on the day after the
>>
>> ...
>>
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:52:52 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:50:22 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>>> There's nothing wrong with hating evil-doers.
>>
>> You shouldn't hate the person; you should hate the evil they do.
>
>Should, shmould.
>I hate evil-doers.
>
>
>
>> At any rate, I think your mind isn't big enough to hold any views
>> but yours.
>
>You have views in your mind that are not yours?
Certainly!
I understand some of what Hitler believed. I don't agree with him.
I have some understanding of Charlie Manson's ideas; I don't agree
with him, either.
>How paranormal!
How tiny minded of you to not even attempt to understand what I
said.
AGAIN, your mind is WAY too small for any ideas other than yours.
>
>I used to read a lot of fantasy sci-fi books about that stuff.
>It was cool.
How very juvenile of you to ridicule others merely because you don't
understand them.
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Subject: Re: Hello--I'm new to the group
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:49:23 -0700
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:02:52 -0000, jknbt2
<TRINITYONLINEBIBLESTUDY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>Hello--
>
>I'm new to the group--Hi to all...I'm from Baytown, Tx, USA, work in a
>chem plant as a tech, about to mold with all the rain-rain-and-more-
>rain this goofy global warming is causing....
>
>anyhow, I just put up a cool web site (little graphix, lotsa text) on
>the subject of the Trinity...see:
>
>http://trinityonlinebiblestudy.googlepages.com/home
>
>It's still so new that the web crawler probably hasn't found it yet...
>
>anyhow, I have some insights to share on the Trinity...
>
>discussion invited...
Okay.
I see several problems right off the bat. I admit to not having
read the entire page, but I saw some issues immediately.
For some reason, there are some today who insist on using the KJV
rather extensively. And since they use the KJV, they use the archaic
language whether they realize it or they don't.
IF we can call Jesus "Jesus" and not "Yeshua" (as did the 1st C
Christians and Jews), then we have "modernized" the name of our Lord.
If we can modernize the name of our Lord to "Jesus" and not "Yeshua",
then we should likewise be permitted to modernize the name of the 3rd
Person of the Trinity, as "The Holy Spirit" and NOT "The Holy Ghost",
which was the terminology of the King James scholars.
You use "The Holy Ghost" rather extensively, as what APPEARS to be
"the preferred name/title." I don't think a real case can be made
that the proper nomenclature of the 3rd Person is "The Holy Ghost."
Also, as another pointed out the other day, today, the word "ghost"
has very negative connotations.
To move along, I believe you mis-use the term "The Godhead". It's my
understanding (I'm not a scholar familiar with the languages), but I
understand from my study WITH scholars that "The Godhead" is NOT a
reference to "God", so much as it's a reference to the collective
"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
Hence, as you are trying to defend the Trinity doctrine, Col 2
becomes a POWERFUL statement (and I've checked this with numerous
scholars), that Jesus Christ was the Father, the Son, and the Holy
Spirit, ALL in flesh.
That is, ALL that God could be in human flesh, Jesus Christ was.
Jesus Christ was NOT JUST the Son. Jesus was the Son, He was The
Father, and He was The Holy Spirit all wrapped up in human flesh and
bone.
God bless, and thanks for making the effort!
john weatherly
>
>see ya!
>
>Jay
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:29:56 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>Hi
>
>We are experiencing some problems with this particular Usenet troll
>
>Anyone out there cast any light on what his game is and what is wrong
with him
>
>Regards
Who exactly is this troll "Redfox", who once went by the equally
ridiculous "Phar Lap?"
he's been dropping his drawers and squatting in the Baptist group for
half-a-dozen years (at least)
What's up with this kook?
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Subject: Re: Here's an idea John....
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:56:17 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:45:24 -0700, "Mike Painter"
>> <mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> John, if you have so much trouble with what I say, then do as Robyn
>>>> suggested and don't read my posts ! Kill file me and forget it !
>>>> Just a friendly reminder that you always have a choice !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>
>>> I don't think
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Well said! You don't engage your brain before engaging your mouth!
>> And since you chose to park in the baptist group, most of the
>> thinking baptists just
>>
>> IGNORE you.
>
>Poor John, after all this time he still thinks that snipping a response
>makes it go away.
There you go, assuming yet AGAIN that you understand why I snip.
You don't.
>
>I suggest you stop responding to me.
I suggest you take a long walk off a short pier with a 10,000 lb
weight tied to your neck.
I'll stop responding to you if you'll jump like I suggested.
Deal?
>
>I will use and or reproduce all or part of this alleged article as I see
fit
>and without requesting permission from John Weatherly.
Go right ahead, and when I am in the position to do something about
it, you can expect to be prosecuted!
:-)
See how that works?
Once again, dumbass, you only express your criminal intent to
plagiarize me because you (falsely) assume that I am not/ and WILL NOT
BE in a position to do anything about it.
Making you a garden-variety sociopath.
See? I DO understand you!
:-)
>
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Subject: Re: Here's an idea John....
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:33:21 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:06:11 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: permission flatly DENIED.
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:45:24 -0700, "Mike Painter"
>><mddotpainter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>Rod wrote:
>>>> John, if you have so much trouble with what I say, then do as Robyn
>>>> suggested and don't read my posts ! Kill file me and forget it !
Just
>>>> a friendly reminder that you always have a choice !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>
>>>I don't think
>>
>>snip
>>
>> Well said! You don't engage your brain before engaging your mouth!
>> And since you chose to park in the baptist group, most of the
>>thinking baptists just
>>
>>IGNORE you.
>>
>>john w
>
>
>Sez 'you', short bus. Many people here do not ignore him.
"many?" You call YOU "many?"
chuckle. So you DO admit that you suffer mpd!
You're just
>ticked off jealous that he can see right through you.
Ah, you're pretending you can read minds yet again!
tsk tsk
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Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:06:20 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:18:44 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>> news:jbeca3t2e1o66puqlchb9eevg4deqh2otk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:54:38 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>>>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the
text!
>>>>>> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a
lie)
>>>>> You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>>>> posted it as your own?
>>>> You're a pathological liar.
>>> Prove it, liar.
>>>> I never did anything of the sort.
>>> Liar.
>>>
>> If I did that, then you should be able to post the PROOF!
>> If you can't PROVE it, psycho *****, then you're a liar!
>
>I saw a post where you took what someone else had written, "edited it,"
>and then put your name to it; therefore, you did, in fact, do something
>"of the sort."
PROVE IT, you pathetic LIAR!
repost the post! Or shut the hell up!
john w
>>
>>>> And if I did, kindly repost the entire post where I did that; you
>>>> can't!
>>>> All you can do is lie about it!
>>> Not at all. I'm telling the truth and you know it. You're like a
>>> frightened little boy. Pathetic.
>>>
>>>> You make a LOT of accusations, but you rarely if ever post any
>>>> PROOF.
>>> Why should I when others can do it for me?
>>>
>>>> You God-damned liar!
>>> Waaaah! Does the baby need his diaper changed?
>>
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:05:33 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:30:52 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> After your performance this past week, and as you continue to use
>>that EXTREMELY offensive sign-off,
>> you don't need to speak to me AT ALL!
>
>Well, my sign off comes from Christ.
You are a FLAGRANT pathological liar!
Jesus NEVER EVER in His 33 years EVER said, "The Mass is the most
perfect form of prayer."
You lie like a carpet, with ZERO shame, and there is NO --- N O --
truth in you!
john w
You may consider Christ's gift to us to be
>offensive, but I don't.
>
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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Subject: Re: Preacher Sues 20/20 for Defamation
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> wrote:
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:19:06 -0500, Sanders Kaufman
>> <bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:11:00 -0500, Sanders Kaufman
>>>>> I'm not an Christian - so I don't have any religious prohibition
against
>>>>> using my own judgement.
>>>> There is no "religious prohibition" for any Christian using his
own
>>>> judgment. The prohibition is on the Christian's judgment overcoming
>>>> his understanding of scripture.
>>> That's a very self-contradictory thing to say.
>>
>> Absolutely not. All you are now expressing is your aversion to ANY
>> religious faith. No matter what that religious faith teaches.
>> Morality is NOT the absence of all religious faith.
>> True Christians who live their faith are the most moral, the most
>> compassionate people on earth.
>>
>>> It's like when Henry Ford said that folks could get a Model-T in any
>>> color they like - as long as it's black.
>>
>> Bull crap!
>>>
>>>> And having been a Christian for OVER 50 YEARS now, I believe I can
>>>> speak with some authority on what Christianity teaches.
>>> Christianity doesn't teach... Christians do.
>>
>> Christianity does both. The Bible teaches us, we learn the Bible
>> and we teach others. Those who are Christians do all sorts of good
>> things, like build hospitals and universities.
>> For example, Memphis Memorial Baptist Hospital ER is where Elvis
>> Presley was pronounced dead.
>> MMBH is a charity hospital.
>>
>> Each seems to think he
>>> speaks for the whole, and gets testy when one contradicts another.
>>
>> You have the right to be wrong.
>>> The inevitable result is a power struggle, followed by a
consolidation
>>> of power, followed by a holocaust.
>>
>> What you are now spouting is what' called biased bigotry and hate.
>
>
> OMG ! What have we here, eh ? A little neocon finger puppet ??
>
> What else could it be but a neocon stooge parading itself as
> a rational, thinking person ?
>
> Maybe it's really a doorstop...........
Wow! Talk about spewing pure, unadulterated, psychotic HATE! ^ ^
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:50:22 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:19:06 -0500, Sanders Kaufman
>
>>> The inevitable result is a power struggle, followed by a
consolidation
>>> of power, followed by a holocaust.
>>
>> What you are now spouting is what' called biased bigotry and hate.
>
>Yeah - so?
>There's nothing wrong with hating evil-doers.
You shouldn't hate the person; you should hate the evil they do.
And you can't point to any evil I've done.
Disagreeing with you isn't "doing evil."
At any rate, I think your mind isn't big enough to hold any views
but yours.
john w
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Secular Control Of Christian Newsgroups
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:01:18 -0700
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:49:32 -0500, ®andy <pulpitfire@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>Hypocrites think they should be able to control and silence
>their opponents on the grounds this is an "unmoderated" group.
Um, Randy, the whole point of Usenet and un moderated groups is that
"all views are welcome", and it's essentially a free-for-all.
What would not be proper or legal in Usenet un moderated groups is
libel and statements that encourage violent uprising against
politicians and the United States government.
Otherwise, it's pretty open season, and you might note that MOST of
those who visit Usenet (arcb in particular) don't even respect the
above limits.
I'm afraid that if you really want to control the content, you're
going to have to find or found a whole new group or a new "place" in
the Internet.
"Good luck with that."
Frankly, Randy, from some of the EXTREME and HIGHLY INTOLERANT views
YOU have expressed, if you were to find such a group, I would NOT join
you there!
john w
>
>What they ought to do,
"What they ought to do" on WHAT authority?
is show, from Scripture, where others
>are wrong, and appeal to Scripture as the authority (Acts
>5:29). Since they can't do that, in a convincing manner, they
>try to make secular control of the group the standard. As if
>the supreme rule by which christians now operate, is no longer
>what God and the Bible says we should do (Acts 5:29), but
>their secular standards.
>
>Shut up, they say, we can say and do whatever we want, because
>this is an "unmoderated" group! So christians are now no
>longer allowed to exhort, expose sin, apply the imperatives of
>Scripture, etc., else they have violated the supreme secular
>rule of unmoderation. Thus, they promote secular control of
>the newsgroup, the persecution of christians, and rebellion
>against God.
>
>Meanwhile, they are hypocrites, since the direct implication
>of their attempt to promote secular control of the group, is
>to silence those who want to proclaim God's will. Thus, while
>they preach "unmoderated" forum, they are trying to moderate
>people from proclaiming what they believe to be God's will. If
>they want to preach "unmoderation", that means they should
>allow people like Vera and others, to say what they want,
>without acting like they are in violation of the "supreme" law
>of unmoderation.
>
>The fact is, this is supposed to be an unmoderated "christian"
>group. Christians should be free, therefore, in an
>unmoderated christian group, to exhort, expose sin, edify,
>instruct, etc., as they believe the Bible and God's will
>indicate, without being persecuted and controlled by people
>who want to secularize the group and silence God.
>
>Don't fall into their trap. They are trying to secularize the
>control of this newsgroup, to silence God, the Bible, and
>those who proclaim God's will. They are hypocritically doing
>exactly what they accuse us of. Certainly, it is people like
>them who will help anti-christ control and silence believers,
>during the Tribulation.
>
>©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
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Subject: Re: JERUSALEM: Pictures
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:50:43 -0700
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:23:10 GMT, "torresdD" <torresD30@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>http://www.palestineremembered.com/DistrictOfJerusalemTownsPictures.html
>
Thanks for the link!
One of my real regrets in life is that I have never had the
op****tunity to visit Jerusalem and Bethlehem.
I have visited my homeland (England), and I've visited the site of
one of the original churches (Ephesus / Efes), but I've never gotten
to Israel (where it all began).
I continue to hope that God will allow me that pleasure before I
pass.
God bless!
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Subject: Re: jw bleeting - What Does the Bible Reveal About the Trinity?
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:54:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:34:56 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
>
>>> Question - does God condone artificial birth control?
>>Strangely enough you seem to think so
>>The rest of us accept what the Bible says - that Jesus had brothers and
sisters
>
>Jesus definitely did have brothers and sisters. But were they Mary's
children?
>>You seem to think Mary exercised Birth control or never had a **** till
>>the day she didn't die
>
>Many people consecrate themselves to God. It's very appropriate for the
Ever
>Virgin to do so in that she was selected by her own son to bear him.
Except that the Bible very clearly states that Mary and Joseph began
to have intercourse after Jesus was born; the proof is that His
brothers are named, and His sisters are mentioned.
>
>>> >Theresa OPPOSED India and Pakistan having ANY form of BIRTH CONTROL
>>> >WHATEVER!
>>> She's professing that artificial birth control is a sin in the eyes
of God.
>>Theresa was a backward but well meaning disaster
>
>God disagrees with you. But what else is new.
>
>>Another case - like the wartime pope - f the Vatican trying to make a
>>saint out of someone who really made a bit of a Pope Pious mess of
things
>>So to speak
>
>Is that the one that the Jews thanked for doing so much to protect them
from
>Hitler?
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:44:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:58:02 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:27:54 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>> >>Question - does God condone artificial birth control?
>>> > Yes. Absolutely.
>>> > I find NO prohibitions on birth control in the Bible.
>
>>> Then you profess that almighty God condones playing with his gifts
for our
>>> pleasures of the flesh?
>
>>Isn't that what the Vatican does?
>
>Nope.
>
>>Remember it was so bad 500 years ago it CAUSED the Reformation
>
>The reformation was a move to reject the teachings of Christ.
Liar! The cause of the Reformation is WELL known, stupid,
uneducated, uninformed, brainwashed Roman Catholic.
The Reformation was a move to reject the pagan, unscriptural
teachings of Rome.
>
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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Subject: Re: jw bleeting - What Does the Bible Reveal About the Trinity?
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:50:28 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:27:54 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>Question - does God condone artificial birth control?
>> Yes. Absolutely.
>> I find NO prohibitions on birth control in the Bible.
>
>Then you profess that almighty God condones playing with his gifts for
our
>pleasures of the flesh?
???
What a STUPID question!
Answer: ABSOLUTELY! Show me one place, stupid person, where the
Bible FORBIDS *** for pleasure!
"You shall NOT have *** with your spouse just because it feels
good!"
It doesn't!
You have INVENTED an entire RELIGION based on unfounded
ASSUMPTIONS!!
>
>> And where God is SILENT (as in this case), men are NOT allowed to
>>come along behind and fill in the blanks with man-made laws.
>
>Or pretend that, unless almighty God specifically addressed something in
>specific language, he condones it.
Again, pagan one, I am not going to get into a debate with a Roman
Catholic about scripture!
You don't know scripture!
>
>Let's see, God specifically stated "This is my Body and my Blood". Why
do you
>now REJECT what he specifically said?
I will NOT get into that with you now for the 100th time!
You believe what you have been taught, and you have never BOTHERED
to read up on the Old Testament SOURCE of the Lord's Supper!
Any JEW could tell you, your views are pure B S.
>
>Are you reading God's mind again, jw?
?????
Quit being an idiot! You have no problem almost every day telling
me what God meant.
>
>> MAN-MADE laws!
>>The entire position of the RCC OPPOSED to birth control is that they
>>oppose any *** that does not eventuate in pregnancy.
>> They flatly REJECT *** for the sake of PLEASURE.
>
>No, artificially blocking the act of procreation for the sake of
pleasures of
>the flesh.
There is no scripture that prohibits *** for pleasure, and there is
NO scripture that prohibits preventing pregnancy.
>
>> That is unscriptural. The Song of Solomon is FULL of references to
>>Solomon and his wife having *** for the sake of PLEASURE.
>
>Did they use a condom?
Do you have ANY CLUE how ridiculous you are being?
>
>> Paul said that husbands and wives did not have the right to deprive
>>each other of ***ual PLEASURE.
>
>Did they use the pill?
If you want to be that silly, why are you using a computer? I see
NO permission in the Bible for you to use computers!
john w
>
>>It's Rome that made *** for pleasure DIRTY and SINFUL except between
>>husband and wife for PROCREATION.
>
>Actually, God said "don't mess around with what I created".
>
>>Such a concept is NOT found in the Bible!
>
>God specifically put men in charge of sins. John 20:22-23.
>
>>>>There ARE other methods of population control besides ABORTION.
>>>>Or were you unaware of that as well?
>>>>Theresa OPPOSED India and Pakistan having ANY form of BIRTH CONTROL
>>>>WHATEVER!
>>>She's professing that artificial birth control is a sin in the eyes of
God.
>
>> I found no scripture, and I find no scripture that sup****ts her
>>view. Since there was no artificial birth control (no birth control
>>PERIOD) in the days when scripture was written,
>
>Yeah, you protest_ants never find any restriction on things of the flesh
in the
>bible. Right, jw?
>
>> your "point" is absurd.
>
>You mean you hate to be restricted in your love of the flesh.
>
>>>>Her preference was for the babies to be born and then STARVE TO
DEATH!
>>>Ask God.
>> When the information is in the BIBLE, we don't need to ask God.
>
>But you reject what he DID say.
>
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:57:56 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>In article <jbeca3t2e1o66puqlchb9eevg4deqh2otk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:54:38 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >
>> >"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>> >
>> >snip
>> >>
>> >> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the text!
>> >> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a
lie)
>> >
>> >You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>> >posted it as your own?
>>
>> You're a pathological liar.
>>
>> I never did anything of the sort.
>> And if I did, kindly repost the entire post where I did that; you
>> can't!
>> All you can do is lie about it!
>> You make a LOT of accusations, but you rarely if ever post any
>> PROOF.
>>
>> You God-damned liar!
>>
>> john w
>
>It was posted
Oh, shut up!
You God-damned liar!
You don't even know what the HELL plagiarism is!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:35:28 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:31:05 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:41:19 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:54:38 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the text!
>>>> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a lie)
>>>
>>>You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>>posted it as your own?
>>
>> You're a pathological liar.
>>
>OTC, the pathological liar is none other than John Derieux
>Weatherless.
>
> Yo DID post such a thing.
I absolutely most certainly did repost an article, which I rewrote.
I listed the author's name, I gave a full-paragraph explanation of why
I was re-writing it, and I posted my name as EDITOR.
"Try again", psycho!
>
>You're lying again, as usual.
^ ^ That statement (a lie) constitutes libel.
>> And if I did, kindly repost the entire post where I did that; you
>>can't!
>If she can't, it's only because you're such a lying, sniveling old
>coward in not archiving it.;
Since so many assholes in here including you answer my every post,
stupid person, it's going to be archived whether I like it or not.
Isn't it?
How many of my posts have YOU SAID you responded to JUST to get them
archived?
You stupid, arrogant, lying *****!
I am pretty sure I have it, and will do a
>search. When found, I will post it and prove you DID do what she said
>you did, liar johnnie.
Be sure you don't creatively edit it, you lying sack of feces!
>
>> All you can do is lie about it!
>
>She didn't lie about it at all.
She DID lie about it, like she and you lie about EVERYTHING!
I notice she COMMENTED on a post she didn't repost.
!!!
You did post such a message, and many
>of us replied about your plagiarism.
"You did post """""" such a message """""". You STUPID little
hater!
YOU can't even remember what it said! But you're VERY willing to
accuse me falsely!
And I was accused of plagiarism at the time ONLY by the psychos like
YOU!
>
>> You make a LOT of accusations, but you rarely if ever post any
>>PROOF.
>>
>The proof is about to be shown, old man weatherless,
Then post the PROOF, you stupid sack of pig poop, or shut the hell
up!
and YOU will be
>exposed again as THE PERPETUAL LIAR THAT YOU ARE.
You continue to be a God damned exaggerating LIAR!
>
>> You GXXXXXXXXXXXXdamned liar!
>>
>CLEAN UP YOUR BLASPHEMOUS, FILTHY MOUTH.
Calling you a God-damned liar is EXACTLY what you are!
And if you want me to "clean up my act", clean up YOUR act!
You don't control me, you psychotic bozo!
You can't even control YOURSELF!
NUMEROUS people in here have told YOU YOU are out of control. You've
ignored them all!
So don't tell ME to clean it up! Clean yourself up!
>>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:24:41 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:18:44 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:jbeca3t2e1o66puqlchb9eevg4deqh2otk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:54:38 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the text!
>>>> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a lie)
>>>
>>>You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>>posted it as your own?
>>
>> You're a pathological liar.
>
>Prove it, liar.
>>
>> I never did anything of the sort.
>
>Liar.
>
If I did that, then you should be able to post the PROOF!
If you can't PROVE it, psycho *****, then you're a liar!
>> And if I did, kindly repost the entire post where I did that; you
>> can't!
>> All you can do is lie about it!
>
>Not at all. I'm telling the truth and you know it. You're like a
>frightened little boy. Pathetic.
>
>> You make a LOT of accusations, but you rarely if ever post any
>> PROOF.
>
>Why should I when others can do it for me?
>
>> You God-damned liar!
>
>Waaaah! Does the baby need his diaper changed?
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:23:51 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:41:45 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:54:38 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
>> <witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>
>>> snip
>>>> You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the text!
>>>> You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a lie)
>>> You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>> posted it as your own?
>>
>> You're a pathological liar.
>>
>> I never did anything of the sort.
>> And if I did, kindly repost the entire post where I did that; you
>> can't!
>> All you can do is lie about it!
>> You make a LOT of accusations, but you rarely if ever post any
>> PROOF.
>>
>> You God-damned liar!
>>
>> john w
>
>She is trusted more than you!!!
In here?
LOL!!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:23:08 -0700
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:14:47 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:42:13 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: permission flatly denied
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:04:12 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>In article <5gjq7aF3gq95jU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, "Robibnikoff"
>>><witchypoo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no>
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>> >
>>>> > You changed what was said by adding words that aren't in the
text!
>>>> > You really shouldn't do that. It's DELIBERATELY misleading ( a
lie)
>>>>
>>>> You mean like when you changed words in that newspaper article and
then
>>>> posted it as your own?
>>>> --
>>>> Robyn
>>>> Resident Witchypoo
>>>> BAAWA Knight!
>>>> #1557
>>>
>>>That was a low punch - right on the button - POW!
>>
>> She's a GGXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-damned liar, Phar Lap, and you are,
too.
>>
>> I didn't do what she said I did!
>>
>You're a liar, and you did. You claimed to have 'corrected the
>Grammar, and added a few lines here and there, which you claimed would
>make it legal for you to 'claim the article as your own'.
Repost it and prove your lies, *****!
I added my name as "Editor", not as the writer!
You god-damned liar!
>
>> And neither of you can post proof! All you can do is post LIES!
>>
>We'll find it-- one of us will, I'm sure.
>
>>>Got another one?
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: What Is Wor****p?
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:21:49 -0700
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:58:56 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
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>In article <9geca3hcqgkuda3jodh54r0hbrlbiha0n6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
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> wrote:
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