actually VISITED the churches Paul established
don't scoff.
You obviously have not visited the Holy Land.
;-)
>
>> :-)
>
>;-)
>
>> john w
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the author
>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:34:15 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >
>> >"I. B. Wonderin" <posting@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:lCMwg.134392$H71.57180@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and
>> >> the Word was God.
>> >> 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
>> >> 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made
>> >> that was made.
>> >> Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every
>> >> creature:
>> >> 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that
are
>> >> in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
>> >> dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by
>him,
>> >> and for him:
>> >> 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
>> >
>> >Nothing about man being given the Sabbath in those verses.
>> >
>> >> Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had
made;
>and
>> >> he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
>> >> 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that
in
>it
>> >> he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
>> >> 4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when
they
>> >> were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the
>> >> heavens,
>> >
>> >Nothing about man being given the Sabbath in those verses. God
rested
>then,
>> >but it says nothing about man.
>> >
>> >> Exd 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
>> >> :9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
>> >> 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in
it]
>> >> thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy
>> >> manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger
that
>> >> [is] within thy gates:
>> >> 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all
>> >> that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD
>> >> blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
>> >
>> >Nothing about man being given the Sabbath in those verses.
>> >
>> >> Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having
the
>> >> everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and
to
>> >> every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
>> >> 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for
the
>> >> hour of his judgment is come: and wor****p him that made heaven, and
>> >> earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
>> >
>> >Nothing about man being given the Sabbath in those verses.
>> >
>> >> Yes the Sabbath was made for man and the Lord Jesus made both.
>> >
>> >Nobody is denying that.
>>
>> I am denying it. Jesus didn't make the Sabbath,
>
>Who made the Sabbath then, if not God?
????????????????????????????????
You just changed the subject!
Are you yet ANOTHER Roman Catholic (no shock) who doesn't know the
difference between God and Jesus ?
sheesh!
God created Sabbath, and gave it to the Jews.
Ex 31:16-17
Sabbath is for the JEWS.
Jesus did NOT create Sabbath.
>
>> and if either of you
>> actually knew the Old Testament (I realize that Roman Catholics are
>> not Bible readers...)
>
>Nor are you.
I am betting I've read it through more times than you have!
;-)
>
>> Ex 31 says very clearly that Sabbath was made FOR THE JEWS.
>
>Correct.
I am not a Jew.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:01:57 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On 23 Jul 2006 11:53:20 -0700, Codebreaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >
>> >Susan Williams wrote:
>> >> On 22 Jul 2006 13:15:34 -0700, "Codebreaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Not-Easily-Duped" <Codebreaker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > It is foolish of you to use the New Testament to try to attack
the
>> >> >Catholic Church.
>>
>> Ummmmmm....
>>
>> Last I looked, the Roman Catholic group is
>>
>> <---------------------
>>
>> that way!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> john w
>
>Stay in the Baptist group, John. You can make up biblical evidence from
>there.
Last I looked, the Roman Catholic group is
<---------------------
that way!
I think you continue to be lost, Steve!
Kindly stop cross-posting your feces to the Baptist group!
:-)
>>
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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>
>john w wrote:
>> Oh! And if you haven't noticed, Casey Treat (the BIG WOF pastor in
>> Seattle), has been preaching 'if you don't sin, you won't be sick!"
>> "And if you get sick, repent, and you won't be sick anymore"
>> recently confessed that he suffers an INCURABLE DISEASE, Hepatitis!
>> He contracted it back when he was shooting up and sharing needles.
>> But-- in order to build up his ministry-- he has kept it a secret
>> (lied about it) for over 15 years.
>> cough choke
>> chuckle
>> smirk
>
>Why are you delighting in evil?
???
Casey Treat is a false prophet, a total phony. He is misleading
MILLIONS with a false doctrine (Gal 1), and Paul said we are to expose
the false prophets.
If you read your Bible, you wouldn't accuse me thus!
And we all know who the father of the accusers is!
;-)
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>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:47:55 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>AGAIN, SL proves she's Elaine's twin sister, NEVER NEVER NEVER
>>applying any of the advice she or anyone else gives to herself!
>
>You're such a poorly misinformed and pathological liar,
>weatherless----- and scout **** is no relative of mine, thank God.
choke cough.
I'm betting sister SL is glad she's no relative of yours, too.
cough
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>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:30:32 -0700, john w <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>
>>your head lodged
>>FIRMLY 3 feet up your rectal cavity!
>
>
>insane obsession with body parts AGAIN noted - weatherly, will you
>EVER get your mind out of the gutter?
It is utterly amazing that 10 million Americans (and likely as many
Europeans) can use the expressions commonly put as "having one's head
up one's ass" for the notion that one has "no clue", and Elaine will
take no notice.
I utter the same, "head lodged firmly in the rectal cavity" ("head up
ass"), and Elaine is FIXATED on some "anal fixation."
Elaine is quite sadly fixated (obsessed) with my every burp and fart.
Must be love!
;-)
Elaine, get help, while it is still voluntary!
I mean, when the right / (wrong) people see a few HUNDRED of your
psychotic ravings and rantings in here, you rae going to be locked up
for a VERY long time!
;-)
(but, you knew that)
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On 25 Jul 2006 20:45:14 -0700, "(W-H-O-S-O-E-V-E-R)"
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>
>john w wrote:
>> BJ, stop typing "Bible" lower case!
>> It is insulting, and it is blasphemous!
>
>Oh for heaven's sake - it is NOT blasphemous!
In your opinion!
There are many who would disagree! I am one of their spokesmen!
:-)
>
>Do you wor****p the Bible
No. But I DO honor it above all other books!
Do you?
- as in the bound book with the Word of God
>printed by man and by a very human publisher?
Were you making a point in there somewhere?
I know I don't, and
>neither should you.
Are you suggesting that you are some sort of LEADER, and that I (and
all other mortals) should follow you?
I think not! I march to a different drum!
:-)
If you do, then the idolatry you are practicing IS
>blasphemous. God is a jealous God - and the Holy Bible is NOT Him.
By the same token, then, we should ONLY follow the teachings of Jesus
(if we could find any), and NOT the writings of any of the apostles!
See how quickly your very shallow arguments fall apart?
:-)
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> wrote:
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the author
>Bible John wrote:
>> For the fruits of the spirit are (Gal 5:22ff)
>>
>> Love
>> Joy
>> peace
>> Patience
>> KINDNESS
>> Gentleness
>> Goodness
>> Self Control
>> Faithfulness
>
>Interesting...Wolf doesn't have any of these "fruits."
>
>So how can he expect to run a ministry?
Congradulations! Mark your calendars everyone!
Dave and I agree on something!
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>In article <1153894068_6115@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.
>
>Hanging round toilets now
>
>Isn't smacking enough
Wasn't there supposed to be a question mark at the end there?
"Isn't smacking enough?"
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> wrote:
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>Bible Bob wrote:
>> On 25 Jul 2006 20:45:00 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >john w wrote:
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:38:25 -0700, "Bible John"
>> >> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> >> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>> >> the author
>> >> >"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:a87bc2libdt7fuq5u48ee8ismsj0npmpda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You don't get to decide who is saved. God does.
>> >> >
>> >> >Someone who rejects Jesus Christ (as you do) is not saved.
>> >> >
>> >> >Read the bible.
>> >>
>> >> BJ, stop typing "Bible" lower case!
>> >>
>> >> It is insulting, and it is blasphemous!
>> >
>> >I own seven translations of the Bible, and I've never seen any
>> >Scripture that claims that it is "blasphemous" to refer to the Bible
>> >using a lower case "b." I'd ask Weatherly to show us, but we all
know
>> >what kind of reaction *that* would get...
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> It's not speaking evil of God. But it is annoying that Wolf
>> shows deliberate contempt and disrespect.
>
>There's quite a difference between "deliberate contempt and disrespect"
>and blasphemy. The challenge was for Weatherly to show cause to call
>it blasphemy.
>
>> The rules of capitalization require that Bible and the books
>> of the Bible be capitalized.
>
>Indeed. But failure to follow those rules does not constitute
>blasphemy.
>
>> More than one person has commented to Wolf about this.
>
>Also true, and he's turned a deaf ear to it. He also spells "course,"
>"coarse." So what? Deal with substance...not superficialities.
You, Dave-- a troll-- don't get to make those values judgements!
Now crawl back under your rock!
john w
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Subject: Re: Uncle Davey your comments
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On 25 Jul 2006 22:00:18 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>Bible Bob wrote:
>> On 25 Jul 2006 20:45:00 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >john w wrote:
>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:38:25 -0700, "Bible John"
>> >> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> >> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
of
>> >> the author
>> >> >"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:a87bc2libdt7fuq5u48ee8ismsj0npmpda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You don't get to decide who is saved. God does.
>> >> >
>> >> >Someone who rejects Jesus Christ (as you do) is not saved.
>> >> >
>> >> >Read the bible.
>> >>
>> >> BJ, stop typing "Bible" lower case!
>> >>
>> >> It is insulting, and it is blasphemous!
>> >
>> >I own seven translations of the Bible, and I've never seen any
>> >Scripture that claims that it is "blasphemous" to refer to the Bible
>> >using a lower case "b." I'd ask Weatherly to show us, but we all
know
>> >what kind of reaction *that* would get...
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> It's not speaking evil of God. But it is annoying that Wolf
>> shows deliberate contempt and disrespect.
>
>There's quite a difference between "deliberate contempt and disrespect"
>and blasphemy. The challenge was for Weatherly to show cause to call
>it blasphemy.
Since you hold no claim of any belief in either God or Christianity or
the Bible, I AGAIN fail to see that you are qualified to distinguish
between the two.
Of course, your utter ignorance hasn't stopped you from opening your
mouth.
And -- AGAIN -- kindly repost the post in which we decided that I
answer to you.
john w
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Subject: Re: Uncle Davey your comments
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On 25 Jul 2006 20:45:00 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>john w wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:38:25 -0700, "Bible John"
>> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >news:a87bc2libdt7fuq5u48ee8ismsj0npmpda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >> You don't get to decide who is saved. God does.
>> >
>> >Someone who rejects Jesus Christ (as you do) is not saved.
>> >
>> >Read the bible.
>>
>> BJ, stop typing "Bible" lower case!
>>
>> It is insulting, and it is blasphemous!
>
>I own seven translations of the Bible, and I've never seen any
>Scripture that claims that it is "blasphemous" to refer to the Bible
>using a lower case "b." I'd ask Weatherly to show us, but we all know
>what kind of reaction *that* would get...
I could / would answer that. However, "we all know" that you really
didn't expect or want an answer, now did you?
You truly don't want answers, since you prefer to supply them all
yourself, don't you!
;-)
However, for the benefit of the group (this HAS been asked and
answered any number of times, but since you don't bother to follow the
threads (you're more of a harasser)...
We are to have respect for the Bible.
It is common good rules of grammar to Capitalize proper nouns AND
names.
It has been the tradition / as well as good English to capicalize
proper names, including the Bible, for CENTURIES.
John Wolf is a NOTORIOUS REBEL who HATES good grammar-- and OPENLY
says so.
He capitalizes what he chooses to capitalize.
His failure to capitalize the word "Bible", is VERY deliberate, and is
therefore, an OPEN declaration of disrespect.
Since most of us know John Wolf's attitude of utter disrespect for ALL
rules, both those of men, and those of God,
it is very easy to link this utter disrespect of the rules with John's
disrespect for the Bible.
And now i have to wonder why YOU (an OPEN critic of the Bible and of
Christianity) would own half-a-dozen Bibles.
???
And I remind you once again, mental dwarf, I don't answer to you.
(this post was NOT a reply to you, but merely a "defense" posted for
the whole group)
john w
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>
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>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:04:07 GMT, "Songzster" <beethoven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>>>
>>>"Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:96adneHxWtEWCljZnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> "Bible John" <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>>> http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Theological/sign_gifts.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. Tongues
>>>>> Tongues Refer to Earthly Languages
>>>>> The was a supernatural ability to speak an earthly foreign language
>>>>> without special training. Tongues comes from the word glossa, so
the
>>>>> word
>>>>> glossalalia means "to speak in tongues." The word tongues (glossa),
>>>>> when
>>>>> used in the New Testament, either refers to the physical tongue and
its
>>>>> basic meaning or to the language that the tongue speaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> To begin a study of tongues, get a concordance and look up the word
>>>>> tongue (glossa), and look at all the places it is used and how it
is
>>>>> used. In the following references (not a complete list) every time
the
>>>>> word tongue (glossa) is used, it always refers to an earthly
foreign
>>>>> language: Revelation 5:9; 7:9; 10:11; 11:9.
>>>>> Law of First Mention
>>>>> In hermeneutics (the study of interpreting the Scripture), there is
a
>>>>> Law
>>>>> of First Mention which simply refers to the fact that the first
mention
>>>>> of an area, a fact or a word, becomes a pattern for subsequent uses
of
>>>>> that word or expression or phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first mention of speaking in tongues in the Bible is found in
Acts
>>>>> 2:4: "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to
speak
>>>>> with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance." Other
>>>>> "tongues" is the Greek word glossa. All the different people
present
>>>>> are
>>>>> listed in verses 9 and 10. These various groups of people are
saying
>>>>> that
>>>>> they hear what is being said in their own language (verse 11).
>>>>>
>>>>> Tongues an earthly language is further substantiated in Acts 2:6,
"And
>>>>> when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were
>>>>> bewildered, because they were each one hearing them speak in his
own
>>>>> language." The Greek word used here for language is "dialect," but
>>>>> glossa
>>>>> and dialect are used interchangeably so glossa has to mean an
earthly
>>>>> language. (Dialect is also used in verse 8.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The gift of tongues was Spirit-motivated speech (Acts 2:4) in a
>>>>> particular language as we have already established. Now it would be
>>>>> hard
>>>>> to believe that the Spirit today is motivating believers to speak
in
>>>>> babblings or ecstatic speech, because that is contrary to what God
did
>>>>> when He first gave this ability. Unless there is good reason to
think
>>>>> that God changed this particular ability and gift, we have to
assume
>>>>> that
>>>>> the gift of tongues will be the same throughout the entire Bible.
>>>>> Gift of Tongues Was a Sign to Unbelievers and a Sign of Judgment to
>>>>> Israel
>>>>> "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to
>>>>> unbelievers" (1 Cor. 14:22).
>>>>>
>>>>> In verse 21, the Old Testament is quoted to substantiate that one
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> basic purposes of tongues is to be a sign for unbelievers, but also
>>>>> tongues were a sign to the Jewish nation that they were to be
judged
>>>>> for
>>>>> their unbelief (Deut. 28:49).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anytime there is a foreign language being spoken among the Jews, it
is
>>>>> a
>>>>> sign that God is judging the nation Israel because these foreigners
>>>>> would
>>>>> have conquered Israel (Isa. 28:9 13). Isaiah foretells the judgment
God
>>>>> is going to bring on Israel. The particular people here who have
>>>>> stammering lips and a foreign tongue are the Assyrians. The
presence of
>>>>> the Assyrian language in Israel is an indication and a sign to
Israel
>>>>> that God is judging them for their unbelief.
>>>>> Tongues Were One of the Sign Gifts
>>>>> The sign gifts, remember, were tem****ary gifts to validate the
ministry
>>>>> of the apostles (2 Cor. 12:12). Tongues are specifically called a
sign
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1 Corinthians 14:22.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once a message had been confirmed by signs and wonders, there was
no
>> snip
>>
>>>>
>>>> The miracle of the speaking of tongues was *not* in the speaking;
but in
>>>> the *hearing* for each heard them speak in their native tongue. In
>>>> other
>>>> words, when they said the *one* word "hello" if there were 10
deferent
>>>> speaking people there *each* would hear that *single* word in *his*
>>>> language. they didn't stop and interpret everything said into
several
>>>> languages. They said what they said *one* time and all people of
>>>> different languages heard at the exact *same time* it being said in
>>>> their
>>>> language. To put it into today's references, it would be like
someone
>>>> at
>>>> the United Nations speaking at the podium and all the different
>>>> country's
>>>> representatives there having the ear cups on and the translators
>>>> speaking
>>>> to them in their language. The speaker doesn't stop and speak in
each
>>>> language but everyone there hears them in their own language. The
>>>> difference being that today we use translators; but back then the
gift
>>>> of
>>>> tongs was that they could speak and no matter how many different
>>>> languages
>>>> the crowd spoke each would hear each and every word that was spoken
in
>>>> their own native tongue.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That particular situation with tongues occurred only in early Acts, in
the
>>>assemblies of believers, according to Paul, an interpretor was
necessary.
>>
>>
>> Then why does Paul ALSO say, "tongues then are for NONbelievers, not
>> for believers?"
>>
>
>He also says he will pray with understanding AND with the Spirit - and
that
>he will sing with understanding AND with the Spirit - thus one can pray
and
>sing in the flesh using their native tongue, but praying and singing
with
>the Spirit involves something other than understanding.
>
>Thus - if tongues have ceased, we are no longer capable of singing or
>praying "with the Spirit" and God has truly abandoned us (heaven
forbid).
>But Paul also said, "forbid not to speak with tongues."
>
>>
>> In the passage to which you refer, Paul is REBUKING The Corinthians!
>>
>
>Certainly, he was limiting them to 2 or 3 experiences of tongues and
then
>only with an interpretor, if no interpretor was present, they were to
speak
>to themselves. Although, I will agree on one thing - Charismatics and
>Pentecostals, like the Corinthians, do tend to over emphasize tongues.
They
>are neither a test of salvation, nor a test of spirituality, but rather
a
>gift from God, given in grace as He wills with limited use in assemblies
of
>believers
Then YOU are mis-using it!
1CO 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for
unbelievers
, but a wonderful gift when used as a part of an active prayer life
>as one prays and sings to God both with understanding and with the
Spirit.
You are misquoting.
>
>I pray and sing in tongues almost constantly throughout my waking day,
1CO 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for
unbelievers
but
>when I have the op****tunity to meet with fellow believers, I, like Paul,
>would rather speak 5 words of undestanding than 10,000 in tongues.
You openly proclaim that you are childish, and that you have little/no
understanding of scripture.
You should be eating meat. Instead, you continue to suck on your
mother's teat, and to play with mud pies.
Grow up!
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Subject: Re: Is the gift of Tongues for the church today?
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:20:50 GMT, "Songzster" <beethoven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
>
>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:f4kdc2pjjajafb55tvtqvsubb0ur9hnm6h@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:04:07 GMT, "Songzster" <beethoven@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>>>
>>>"Sugien" <dinosoft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:96adneHxWtEWCljZnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> "Bible John" <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> news:1153783837_110217@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Theological/sign_gifts.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. Tongues
>>>>> Tongues Refer to Earthly Languages
>>>>> The was a supernatural ability to speak an earthly foreign language
>>>>> without special training. Tongues comes from the word glossa, so
the
>>>>> word
>>>>> glossalalia means "to speak in tongues." The word tongues (glossa),
>>>>> when
>>>>> used in the New Testament, either refers to the physical tongue and
its
>>>>> basic meaning or to the language that the tongue speaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> To begin a study of tongues, get a concordance and look up the word
>>>>> tongue (glossa), and look at all the places it is used and how it
is
>>>>> used. In the following references (not a complete list) every time
the
>>>>> word tongue (glossa) is used, it always refers to an earthly
foreign
>>>>> language: Revelation 5:9; 7:9; 10:11; 11:9.
>>>>> Law of First Mention
>>>>> In hermeneutics (the study of interpreting the Scripture), there is
a
>>>>> Law
>>>>> of First Mention which simply refers to the fact that the first
mention
>>>>> of an area, a fact or a word, becomes a pattern for subsequent uses
of
>>>>> that word or expression or phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first mention of speaking in tongues in the Bible is found in
Acts
>>>>> 2:4: "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to
speak
>>>>> with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance." Other
>>>>> "tongues" is the Greek word glossa. All the different people
present
>>>>> are
>>>>> listed in verses 9 and 10. These various groups of people are
saying
>>>>> that
>>>>> they hear what is being said in their own language (verse 11).
>>>>>
>>>>> Tongues an earthly language is further substantiated in Acts 2:6,
"And
>>>>> when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were
>>>>> bewildered, because they were each one hearing them speak in his
own
>>>>> language." The Greek word used here for language is "dialect," but
>>>>> glossa
>>>>> and dialect are used interchangeably so glossa has to mean an
earthly
>>>>> language. (Dialect is also used in verse 8.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The gift of tongues was Spirit-motivated speech (Acts 2:4) in a
>>>>> particular language as we have already established. Now it would be
>>>>> hard
>>>>> to believe that the Spirit today is motivating believers to speak
in
>>>>> babblings or ecstatic speech, because that is contrary to what God
did
>>>>> when He first gave this ability. Unless there is good reason to
think
>>>>> that God changed this particular ability and gift, we have to
assume
>>>>> that
>>>>> the gift of tongues will be the same throughout the entire Bible.
>>>>> Gift of Tongues Was a Sign to Unbelievers and a Sign of Judgment to
>>>>> Israel
>>>>> "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe, but to
>>>>> unbelievers" (1 Cor. 14:22).
>>>>>
>>>>> In verse 21, the Old Testament is quoted to substantiate that one
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> basic purposes of tongues is to be a sign for unbelievers, but also
>>>>> tongues were a sign to the Jewish nation that they were to be
judged
>>>>> for
>>>>> their unbelief (Deut. 28:49).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anytime there is a foreign language being spoken among the Jews, it
is
>>>>> a
>>>>> sign that God is judging the nation Israel because these foreigners
>>>>> would
>>>>> have conquered Israel (Isa. 28:9 13). Isaiah foretells the judgment
God
>>>>> is going to bring on Israel. The particular people here who have
>>>>> stammering lips and a foreign tongue are the Assyrians. The
presence of
>>>>> the Assyrian language in Israel is an indication and a sign to
Israel
>>>>> that God is judging them for their unbelief.
>>>>> Tongues Were One of the Sign Gifts
>>>>> The sign gifts, remember, were tem****ary gifts to validate the
ministry
>>>>> of the apostles (2 Cor. 12:12). Tongues are specifically called a
sign
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1 Corinthians 14:22.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once a message had been confirmed by signs and wonders, there was
no
>> snip
>>
>>>>
>>>> The miracle of the speaking of tongues was *not* in the speaking;
but in
>>>> the *hearing* for each heard them speak in their native tongue. In
>>>> other
>>>> words, when they said the *one* word "hello" if there were 10
deferent
>>>> speaking people there *each* would hear that *single* word in *his*
>>>> language. they didn't stop and interpret everything said into
several
>>>> languages. They said what they said *one* time and all people of
>>>> different languages heard at the exact *same time* it being said in
>>>> their
>>>> language. To put it into today's references, it would be like
someone
>>>> at
>>>> the United Nations speaking at the podium and all the different
>>>> country's
>>>> representatives there having the ear cups on and the translators
>>>> speaking
>>>> to them in their language. The speaker doesn't stop and speak in
each
>>>> language but everyone there hears them in their own language. The
>>>> difference being that today we use translators; but back then the
gift
>>>> of
>>>> tongs was that they could speak and no matter how many different
>>>> languages
>>>> the crowd spoke each would hear each and every word that was spoken
in
>>>> their own native tongue.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That particular situation with tongues occurred only in early Acts, in
the
>>>assemblies of believers, according to Paul, an interpretor was
necessary.
>>
>>
>> Then why does Paul ALSO say, "tongues then are for NONbelievers, not
>> for believers?"
>>
>
>He also says he will pray with understanding AND with the Spirit - and
that
>he will sing with understanding AND with the Spirit - thus one can pray
and
>sing in the flesh using their native tongue, but praying and singing
with
>the Spirit involves something other than understanding.
You are AGAIN misinterpreting.
Every time I bow my head and pray, "Lord, bless this meal", I am
praying with my Spirit.
I need no 'other tongue."
>
>Thus - if tongues have ceased, we are no longer capable of singing or
>praying "with the Spirit"
Says who?
You have NO CLUE what you are talking about! You merely parrot the WOF
charlatans.
They have no clue either!
1CO 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they
will cease;
Prophesy (the ability to see the future, as Bible prophesy does, and
the gift the apostles used to write the New Testament) "will cease."
When the New Testament was completed (in the 1st C), the "gift of
prophesy" ceased.
where there are tongues, they will be stilled;
tongues (the sign to non-believers that those who "spoke with other
tongues/ALWAYS a known language that was NOT known to the speaker)
"will be stilled."
When the New Testament was completed, tongues were stilled.
where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
The apostles were given special knowledge with which they wrote the
New Testament. When the New Testament was completed, that special
"knowledge" passed away.
The "proof" is that there are no new books of the Bible being written
today. It is "finished."
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection
comes, the imperfect disappears.
The PERFECT ("perfection") came, and the imperfect sign gifts
disappeared.
11 When I was a child, I talked like a child,
("talked like a child") a baby, new Christian spoke in tongues.
I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man,
I put childish ways behind me.
"When I became a man"... (a mature Christian), "I put childish ways
behind me."
This is stated as a past act. As of the writing of this passage, the
sign gifts have ALREADY passed away.
and God has truly abandoned us (heaven forbid).
>But Paul also said, "forbid not to speak with tongues."
And WHEN did he say it, and to whom?
Grow up!
Be mature!
There simply is no reason for "tongues" today, just as there is no
reason for "knowledge" ("word of knowledge") or "prophesy" today.
And the last "prophesy" I heard on Benny Hinn's telecast was...
are you sitting down?
"Jesus is coming soon!"
john w
snipped because you're boring me to tears.
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Subject: Re: Is the gift of Tongues for the church today?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:41:14 -0700
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:46:21 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:18:12 -0700, "Bible John"
><john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Brother Weatherly I would appreciate a moment of your time in a AIM or
IRC
>>chat.
>>
>>Lord willing we need to get over our differences.
>>
>>Lord willing,
>>
>>John
>
>John,
>
>What does "Lord willing" mean? Obviously, since there is supposed to
>be unity in he one body people are instructed to put aside their
>differences so they can walk in unity.
>
>I have always wondered why any Christian would ever say "Lord willing"
>since it indicates that the person does not know the will of God
>because he does not read his Bible.
AGAIN, BB, you demonstrate OPENLY that you are not any sort of sincere
Bible student, and that you only quote/remember those passages you
find advantageous.
The Bible itself says that we should not "swear by one hair of our
head", but that INSTEAD, we should say, "if God wills."
john w
>>
>>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:b7jdc2t4d0v686el7ubfru1q4agnui65f3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:22:46 GMT, Bible Bob <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>>> the author
>>>>On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:44:48 -0700, "Bible John"
>>>><john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Okay, John, you wanted me to critique your CERM articles. I like
this
>>>>topic, let's see if you know what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Theological/sign_gifts.htm
>>>>
>>>>LOL! You didn't write that. You stole it from someone unless
someone
>>>>is letting you use their material.
>>>
>>> Obviously, BB!
>>>
>>> That sure took a genius to figure out.
>>>
>>> Just go to the bottom of the page, and you find that BJ didn't even
>>> snip the entire article. ( I sure HOPE he got permission to cut and
>>> paste it). He was so sloppy in his cut-and-paste that BJ didn't even
>>> get the whole sentence!
>>>
>>> "* This re****t has been adapted from a booklet by the same name, by
>>> Gil Rugh, Senior Pastor, Indian Hills Community Church, Lincoln, NE
>>> 68510. This booklet in its entirety, as well as other booklets on
>>> other topics of interest by Gil Rugh, may be downloaded in "PDF"
>>> format from the . "
>>>
>>> At LEAST, BJ could have used the WHOLE article.
>>>
>>> tsk tsk
>>>
>>> Sloppy stuff, BJ!
>>> Does this sloppy work honor Jesus?
>>>
>>> I say it does not!
>>>
>>> Like the 2 "published" articles I found on your page, BJ! I was
>>> impressed that you actually had 2 "published articles" on your page,
>>> till I actually LOOKED, and they were BOTH
>>>
>>> letters to the editor!
>>>
>>> and ONE you SCANNED onto your page, and you didn't even BOTHER to
scan
>>> it STRAIGHT!
>>>
>>> tsk tsk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Let's start with the title.
>>>>
>>>>"A Review of the (Nine) Tem****ary Spiritual Gifts*"
>>>>
>>>>There is no mention of tem****ary spiritual gifts in the Bible.
>>>
>>> Actually, BB, if you were 1/10th the scholar you CLAIM to be, there
is
>>> a list of "tem****ary spiritual gifts" in 1 Cor 13.
>>>
>>> "When that which is perfect comes, then the imperfect "sign gifts"
>>> will cease."
>>>
>>> "For we KNOW in part, and we PROPHESY in part."
>>>
>>> ("in part" being a reference to IMPERFECT gifts.)
>>>
>>> Must
>>>>be something some idiotes made up.
>>>
>>> AGAIN, BB, you prove CONCLUSIVEDLY your absolute inability to read
the
>>> text literally and understand what it says LITERALLY.
>>>
>>> You approach the Bible with so many preconceived notions of what it
>>> means that the Holy Spirit simply cannot communicate with you.
>>>
>>>
>>> And since no one but no one but YOU, (BB) cares a RIP about your
>>> "analysis" of scripture,
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>> john w
>>>
>>
>
>
>.....
>BB
>http://www.biblebob.net
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On 24 Jul 2006 21:58:22 -0700, "I-AM-A-WHOSOEVER-TOO"
<ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
>
>Bible John wrote:
>> You should read CERM's guestbook. Lots of people are taking good use
of
>> CERM.
>
>You left out three entries:
>
>First Name : Its a secret
>URL :
>Your church denomination : none
>Comment : Is your name really John Michael Paul Wolf? Is your birth
>date July 7, 1978? Was your mothers maiden name Enriquez? Were you born
>in Monterey County, California?
>
>First Name : Tim
>URL : http:www.tgm.org
>Your church denomination : non-denominational
>Comment : Two(retorical) questions: 1. How can you write slanderous
>material about what Word of Faith Ministers teach when you have never
>attended even one of their meetings?
Anyone who watches TV can tell you what WOF teaches. Just catch
Benny Hinn
Rod Parsley
Joyce Meyer
Joel Osteen
Casey Treat
any of the Pentecostal ("pretender") preachers.
Oh! And if you haven't noticed, Casey Treat (the BIG WOF pastor in
Seattle), has been preaching 'if you don't sin, you won't be sick!"
"And if you get sick, repent, and you won't be sick anymore"
recently confessed that he suffers an INCURABLE DISEASE, Hepatitis!
He contracted it back when he was shooting up and sharing needles.
But-- in order to build up his ministry-- he has kept it a secret
(lied about it) for over 15 years.
cough choke
chuckle
smirk
2. Under which of the 5-fold
>ministries does the ministry of straightening everybody els
>
>First Name : Phil Lamberty
>URL :
>Your church denomination : Hollywood Presbyterian
>Comment : I also am from California (Burbank). As for your thoughts
>about debt, isntt that irresponsibility to continue to charge on
>CCs--money you dont actually have? Youre putting a terrible burden on
>yourself that will last for years.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:06 -0700, "Bible John"
<john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>"Bible Bob" <biblebob@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:giqac2hifu2hpbsqslb61u4slvhmccihan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:50:55 -0700, "Bible John"
>> <john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> John, I could easily expose the false doctrines on CERM. If I did
>> that then you might re-write them. At present anyone that reads them
>> knows you do not know what you are talking about. So it was wise for
>> me not to spend my valuable time helping you so that you could deceive
>> people easier.
>
>You should read CERM's guestbook. Lots of people are taking good use of
>CERM.
>
> First Name : Steven
> URL : aghoo50@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Your church denomination : Southern Baptist
> Comment : Great site.
>
> First Name : Peter Walsh
> URL :
> Your church denomination : Anglican
> Comment : Great site and exposure of false Christians! The
>Emerging Church is flipping crazy man! Good to see sanity in all the
>insanity!
> First Name : Lance
> URL :
> Your church denomination : Independent
> Comment : You should give your thoughts on the
>evils of phychiatry. It is not only wrong, but a grave sin.
You are living in the dark ages. I have known many who suffer
psychiatric illnesses. MANY are chemical, many are genetic.
We shouldnt
>confide in mere man--ever.
So you are willing to dismiss thousands of Christian psychiatrists and
highly qualified licensed clinical psychologists?
You dismiss Dr Phil MacGraw? An internationally famous CHRISTIAN
psychologist, with psychiatrists on his staff?
You are a fundamentalist IDIOT!
You and "Bible John" should get along fine!
If people have mental problems, it is because
>they are living in sin!!
So your mental problems (that are expressed in this very opinionated,
very JUDGMENTAL post) are a result of your sins?
Care to confess and repent here?
When they stop sinning, the mental illness will
You have NO clue!
You are evidently one of the pentecostal ( "pretender" ) clowns who
believe that all sickness is the result of sin!
>
> First Name : Samantha
> URL :
> Your church denomination : Baptist
> Comment : This is the awesomest website in the
>whole universe and is real cool.
John, you should TRULY stop inventing/creating such "mail".
It is OBVIOUSLY phony. Why is it that all your "e-mail" recreates your
pitiful grammar and spelling?
tsk
I agree with everything and so few websites
>even know this much stuff.
>
> First Name : dakdmw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> URL : dakdmw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Your church denomination : dakdmw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Comment : Im surprised :). Lilly
>
> First Name : Pulpitfire
> URL : http://www.pulpitfire.org
> Your church denomination : Christian
> Comment : I hope this site will bring glory to
>God. Grace and peace, Pulpitfire
>
> First Name : Pulpitfire
> URL : http://www.pulpitfire.org
> Your church denomination : Christian
> Comment : Hello John. I hope this sight will
bring
>glory to God. Grace and peace, Pulpitfire
>
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>>
>> I am not affiliated with the Way. You know that; but lie about it
>> whenever you get a chance. That does remind me though. I haven't
>> finished reading that book which I need to do so that I can tell you
>> about it. And I think I need to get off my tail and find a Way group
>> and attend their meetings so I can see what they are about. When I
>> do, I will fill you in on what they are about.
>>
>> John, what cuss words have I used?
>>
>> No, my pastors do not cuss at services and neither do I. I do cuss
>> from time to time. It is not the best thing to do. The difference
>> between you and I is that I confess my sins; you don't - you brag
>> about them as evidenced below.
>>
>> Oh, yeah; about that factual evidence you say that I have not provided
>> which I have provided on several occassions. The author of the
>> following comments was YOU; not me.
>>
>> John, give it up. Everytime you attack me you show yourself to be a
>> fool and end up closer to the deep end of the cess pool you call your
>> life. Ever consider repenting?
>>
>>>1. JWolf6589
>>> Jun 26 2001, 5:51 pm show options
>>>Newsgroups: alt.fan.dean-stark.diaper-play
>>>From: jwolf6...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(JWolf6589) - Find messages by this author
>>>Date: 27 Jun 2001 01:50:41 GMT
>>>Local: Tues, Jun 26 2001 5:50 pm
>>>Subject: In need of a babysitter
>>>Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original
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>>>Re****t Abuse
>>>
>>>My name is John I am in need of an AB sitter.
>>>
>>>I am looking for a female. 1-2 days a week for 3-8 hrs per session in
>>>their
>>>home.
>>>My home is occupied and not available at this time.
>>>
>>> Pay can be negoiated based on experience and knowledge. However
>>>novices may
>>>apply. I want to fill this position ASAP, so I am eager to hire
someone!
>>>
>>>John
>>>
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>>
>>>> From: "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:17 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: Aspergers johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> It was not the doctor whop diagnoses me with Asbergers, and states
>>>> that the "diaper business" is a part of the condition. I am not an
>>>> infantilist nor do I have a fetish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> From: "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:22 am
>>>> Subject: diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> I know some of you wear diapers for incontence reasons, and others
for
>>>> psychological reasons. But those that have a fetish I have strived
to
>>>> remove.
>>>>
>>>> Lets get a discussion going on our diaper issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:13 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> I am glad you are honest. I feel sorry for your situation.
>>>> Mine is quite different. To me they have been kind of an
>>>> attachment since the age of 5. They bring me comfort,etc..
>>>>
>>>> I hate it, but cant do much about it. I have seen many
>>>> psychologists, and taken meds but nothing works, except when I
>>>> seem to get taken care of. However finding those to help in
>>>> these areas is very hard, but it has been possible. Some sort
>>>> of regression therapy I call it. But it has been successful in
>>>> calming the public outbursts.
>>>>
>>>> It still amazes me that no matter how many times I tell others
>>>> that sit down counseling which I've tried many times and meds do
>>>> not work, they still refuse to believe me. I gave up on seeing
>>>> a counselor. Not worth the effort.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:44 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> --- Keith Thompson <jayjaycub@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At age 5 you were hardly even out of diapers. Sounds like
>>>>> you've pretty much had a lifelong emotional need.
>>>>
>>>> Yes very true
>>>>
>>>> I did not
>>>>> like the diapers when I first started wearing them, but I too
>>>>> have an attachment for them now. They are a comfort, and I
>>>>> do not feel sorry for my situation. It appears from my
>>>>> conversations with other diaper users that this is pretty
>>>>> common.
>>>>
>>>> Mine too
>>>>
>>>> When you were younger, did you wet on purpose to get
>>>>> put into diapers, or was there a real need that caused you to
>>>>> rely on them for sanitary reasons?
>>>>
>>>> I cant remember. But in adult life I have wet to show them off
>>>> to gals. Some think they are funny on me, and others have cared
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have spoken with many
>>>>> people who wore diapers for one reason or another in childhood
>>>>> and it seems like attaching to them emotionally is very
>>>>> common.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have approached your diaper attachment from a
>>>>> psychological standpoint. If you are at all familiar with the
>>>>> psychiatric diagnostic manual, DSM IV, then you will know
>>>>> that many of the psychiatric diagnosis are only considered
>>>>> pathological if they cause the patient significant emotional
>>>>> distress. Perhaps, given your unsuccessful attempts to detach
>>>>> yourself from them, what you need to do is give up the
>>>>> distress - not the diapers!
>>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> Pathological. Please give me more ifnormation on this. Thank
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:14 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> I can hold a job and a life, however the diaper issues do pop up
>>>> from time to time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:13 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> No in my personnel life they cause issues. Unless showing them
>>>> t random girls is not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> --- Keith Thompson <jayjaycub@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:35 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] diaper issues johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> Yes I have. The last one I even showed her the diapers. But
>>>> she was the one to initiate or hint that I was in them.
>>>>
>>>> When I dressed as a open baby in a diaper back in 2000 (yes
>>>> thank goodness before the days of cell phone cameras and digital
>>>> cameras) I had some positive reactions from nice looking gals,
>>>> and no reaction from many others. Some people did not even care
>>>> to see a 23 yr old walking around in diapers! Personally in
>>>> Europe and South America people can do these things without
>>>> consequence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> From: "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:44 pm
>>>> Subject: Companion****p services johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> If anyone here suffers with Infantilism or another type of
>>>> pathological or disorder what helps calm your issues? For me it has
>>>> been Companion****p. Problem is its tough to find this, since I do
not
>>>> have a Developmental disability.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have friends in Northern California?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "johnw_94020" <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:49 pm
>>>> Subject: Welcome babygirlbear@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> I welcome you to this board. Remember this is not a group for those
>>>> with a fetish. Thiis a group for those with conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: John <johnw_94020@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> Date: Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:14 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [disabilitycollaboration] Re: [John] Welcome
>>>> babygirlbear@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
johnw_94020
>>>> Offline
>>>> Send Email
>>>>
>>>> Hi Anna and thanks for writing.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that those who like to be babied by others for a ***ual
>>>> drive is sick.
>>>>
>>>> In my case they are probably more of a transitional object, or
>>>> things that I wear to cope with anxiety. By definition a fetish
>>>> could be something other than ***ual, but most always assume
>>>> ***ual gratification when they hear the word fetish.
>>>>
>>>> In my case I have been treated by someone that was far far older
>>>> than myself,was married and by western standards was not
>>>> attractive. In the Tongan culture (correct me if I am wrong)
>>>> obesity is considered a attractive feature of a woman. She
>>>> certainly had no problems taking care of me, and I receiving her
>>>> services. I only wish that more people in western cultures were
>>>> as considerate and understanding.
>>>>
>>>> I have revealed far too many private details, but its okay as I
>>>> feel comfortable here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>
>> .....
>> BB
>> http://www.biblebob.net
>>
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Subject: Re: Bible Bob answer this question
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:27:24 -0700
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<john.doggett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
>You said you were going to expose my every CERM article but stopped
after
>one article. Must have found you could not do it heh?
Why do you taunt people, BJ?
tsk
>
>But anyways please respond to this quote from a CERM article on The Way
>International.
>
>". Profanity and name-calling are typical in the language of The Way
>followers and leaders. This personally is not surprising as a man named
>Robert Sowle from certain Usenet newsgroups where I frequent has on many
>occasions called me very defaming names. For example he has (without any
>factual evidence) at times claimed that I like to strip ****d and crap
in a
>diaper in front of college girls. This man has a very sick head, which
he
>probably learned from his leaders. It has been re****ted that on May 4th,
>1997 the then Way President Martindale set an example in a brief 15-
minute
>talk to his followers where he cussed out a storm. Looking this example
its
>no wonder that Robert Sowle behaves the way he does."
>
>1. Do your pastors cuss in your services?
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>Charles Colson's "Faith-Based" Prison Program Shut Down
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
>Working for Change - Jul 20, 2006
>http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=21119
>
>Charles Colson's faith-based prison program shut down
>
>by Bill Berkowitz
>WorkingForChange
>
>07.20.06 - After serving time in prison for Watergate-related crimes,
>Charles W. Colson embraced Christianity, founded Prison Fellow****p
>Ministries in 1976, and has since become a high profile, well-respected
and
>oft-quoted Christian conservative leader. Over the past several years,
>Colson's InnerChange Freedom Initiative (IFI) has partnered with prison
>authorities in several states, including Texas, Minnesota, Kansas,
>Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri, to provide prisoners with a
>Christ-centered rehabilitation program.
>
>In June, however, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Pratt, chief judge of
the
>US District Court for the Southern District of Iowa, handed Colson's
>operation a setback. Judge Pratt ruled in favor of a suit filed by
Americans
>United for Separation of Church and State (Americans United) which
claimed
>that IFI's operation at Iowa's Newton Correctional Facility violated the
>Establishment Clause of the US Constitution.
>
>Judge Pratt ordered an end to the program within 60 days, and also
ordered
>InnerChange to reimburse more than $1.5 million to the state of Iowa.
>
>"For all practical purposes, the state has literally established an
>Evangelical Christian congregation within the walls of one its penal
>institutions, giving the leaders of that congregation, i.e., InnerChange
>employees, authority to control the spiritual, emotional, and physical
lives
>of hundreds of Iowa inmates," wrote Pratt. "There are no adequate
safeguards
>present, nor could there be, to ensure that state funds are not being
>directly spent to indoctrinate Iowa inmates."
I have serious doubts that this "judgement" will stand up to higher
court authority.
And don't doubt for one nano-second that Chuck Colson has the clout to
take this all the way up to the top.
>
>Pratt also pointed out that "The level of religious indoctrination
sup****ted
>by state funds and other state sup****t in this case in comparison to
other
>programs treated in the case law ... is extraordinary."
>
>In late June, Prison Fellow****p Ministries, the InnerChange Freedom
>Initiative and the State of Iowa notified the courts that they would
appeal
>Judge Pratt's ruling. "It is our belief that the InnerChange Freedom
>Initiative is constitutional and well within the framework of the
safeguards
>of the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution," Prison Fellow****p
>President Mark Earley said in a released statement. The appeal was made
to
>the U.S. District Court in Iowa and the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals.
>
>In a story posted June 14 at the American Enterprise Institute's The
>American Enterprise Online, Joseph Knippenberg, a professor of politics
and
>associate provost for student achievement at Oglethorpe University in
>Atlanta, pointed out that while he generally "sup****t[s]" the faith-
based
>initiative, as well as "religious efforts to put the penitence back in
>penitentiaries," he basically agreed with Judge Pratt's ruling: "In this
>particular case ... the state and Prison Fellow****p self-consciously
tested
>the outer bounds of current church-state jurisprudence, they went too
far."
>
>According to Knippenberg, Judge Pratt found that:
>
>While Iowa prison officials were primarily interested in a low-cost
program
>that promised to reduce recidivism among inmates, they "gerrymandered"
the
>Request for Proposals that led to the contract with InnerChange, which
was
>the sole bidder.
>
>The nature of the InnerChange program is such that it is impossible to
>clearly distinguish and separate its religious and secular elements.
There
>is one clearly secular class--"Computer Training." Other cl***** that
have
>secular analogues in therapeutic rehabilitative programs, like "Anger
>Management," are taught from an essentially Christian point of view.
>
>While the InnerChange staff attempted to distinguish between their
secular
>and religious work, and bill the state accordingly, their efforts fell
>short. Where so much of the program is devoted to inculcating a
Christian
>worldview, it is difficult, if not impossible, to precisely delineate
what
>****tion of a staffer's time, or what fraction of a piece of equipment's
>value is devoted to secular, as opposed to religious, purposes.
>
>In addition to formal coursework, the program imposes numerous religious
>requirements, including attendance at regular Friday night revival
meetings
>and at Sunday morning wor****p services.
>
>There is no comparable secular or religious program elsewhere in the
Iowa
>prison system. Inmates who want a long-term comprehensive rehabilitation
>program have no other choices.
>
>The living conditions and privileges afforded InnerChange participants
are
>sufficiently superior to those afforded the general prison population as
to
>be incentives to join the program. In effect, inmates are rewarded for
their
>participation in a religious program.
>
>In a series of published commentaries defending the InnerChange program,
>Mark Earley called the suit by Americans United, and similar suits
initiated
>by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, attacks that go beyond merely
>opposition to President Bush's faith-based initiative: "It's a religious
>battle being waged by groups whose religion really is no religion. Our
>nation's prisons are merely the newest theater of operations in the
campaign
>to scrub every influence of religion from American public life."
>
>Earley's op-ed pieces cited "Confronting Confinement," a recent re****t
>issued by the Commission on Safety and Abuse in America's Prisons, which
>found according to Earley, that "the key to reducing recidivism,
enhancing
>security within the prisons, and protecting the public is comprehensive
>rehabilitative programming."
>
>In a conversation a while back with Dr. Terry Kupers, a longtime prison
>reform advocate and the author of "Prison Madness: the Mental Health
Crisis
>Behind Bars and What We Must Do About it," a comprehensive and highly
>readable study of the growing mental health crisis in America's prisons,
he
>suggested that most studies show that a fair amount of resources
directed
>toward comprehensive rehabilitation programs will generally prove to be
>worthwhile.
>
>While "Confronting Confinement" encourages "invest[ment] in programs
that
>are proven to reduce violence and to change behavior over the long
term," it
>says nothing about the efficacy of faith-based prison programs.
>
>For Earley, however, "comprehensive rehabilitative programs" clearly
means a
>program saturated with Christianity. He appears to believe that only
>faith-based programs can be effective in reducing recidivism rates among
>prisoners. He is quoted by Christian Newswire as arguing that the effort
to
>remove faith-based programs from prisons "fosters a 'lock 'em up and
throw
>away the key' approach to fighting crime. It assumes that by warehousing
>criminals and providing no services to help them change, society will be
>safer when they get out. Nothing could be further from the truth."
>
>In early July, Earley and Al Quie, the former governor of Minnesota and
>chairman of the IFI Board of Directors, responded to what they charged
were
>"some erroneous statements in its June 15 editorial on the InnerChange
>Freedom Initiative (IFI) program at Minnesota's Lino Lakes prison,"
>published by the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
>
>While acknowledging that IFI's program is "faith-based," Earley and Quie
>maintained that the program is not coercive and has "help[ed] the state
to
>reduce recidivism, enhance security (through improved inmate
>accountability), and lower correctional costs."
>
>Earley and Quie capped their argument by citing "An independent study by
the
>University of Pennsylvania [that] showed that graduates of the
InnerChange
>Freedom Initiative in Texas were far less likely to return to prison
within
>two years than inmates who did not participate in IFI (8 percent
compared to
>20 percent)."
>
>But the study cited by Earley and Quie -- and frequently referred to in
>Earley's commentaries -- was thoroughly debunked in an August 2003 piece
>called "Faith-Based Fudging: How a Bush-promoted Christian prison
program
>fakes success by massaging data," written by Mark A.R. Kleiman, a
Professor
>of Policy Studies at the UCLA School of Public Policy and Social
Research,
>and published by Slate online magazine.
>
>"You don't have to believe in faith-healing to think that an intensive
>16-month program, with post-release follow-up, run by deeply caring
people
>might be the occasion for some inmates to turn their lives around. The
>re****t seemed to present liberal secularists with an unpleasant choice:
>Would you rather have people "saved" by Colson, or would you rather have
>them commit more crimes and go back to prison?
>
>"But when you look carefully at the Penn study, it's clear that the
program
>didn't work. The InnerChange participants did somewhat worse than the
>controls: They were slightly more likely to be rearrested and noticeably
>more likely (24 percent versus 20 percent) to be reimprisoned. If faith
is,
>as Paul told the Hebrews, the evidence of things not seen, then
InnerChange
>is an op****tunity to cultivate faith; we certainly haven't seen any
results.
>
>"So, how did the Penn study get perverted into evidence that InnerChange
>worked? Through one of the oldest tricks in the book, one almost
guaranteed
>to make a success of any program: counting the winners and ignoring the
>losers. The technical term for this in statistics is 'selection bias';
>program managers know it as 'creaming.' Harvard public policy professor
Anne
>Piehl, who reviewed the study before it was published, calls this
instance
>of it 'cooking the books.'" Joseph Knippenberg maintained that the Iowa
>ruling could have long term ramifications for other current and future
>faith-based prison programs: "I'm not convinced that the outcome in this
>particular case is likely to be different in any other courtroom. This
is
>surely significant in the long run for many of the InnerChange prison
units
>in other states ...for other religious pre-release programs in other
states,
>and for the Bush administration's effort to bring such programs into the
>federal prison system.
>
>"At the very least, and even before any further decisions are handed
down,
>additional lawsuits will be filed. Indeed, perhaps anticipating this
very
>outcome, the Freedom From religion Foundation has filed a suit
challenging
>the Federal Bureau of Prisons' faith-based "Life Connection Program",
>currently piloted at five federal prisons and, until recently, scheduled
for
>expansion."
>
>Despite the Iowa ruling, it's not all gloom and doom for Colson's prison
>enterprises. In the June issue of Americans United's Church & State
>magazine, Jeremy Leaming re****ted that Colson's group was the main
candidate
>for a new Justice Department initiative seeking to establish a
>"single-faith" prison rehabilitation program.
>
>The initiative's stated purpose was to "facilitate personal
transformation
>for the participating inmates through their own spirituality or
faith...."
>and "match inmates with personal mentors and a faith-based community,
>community organization or sup****t group at their release destination to
>promote successful reintegration."
>
>Leaming re****ted that Americans United Senior Litigation Counsel Alex
>Luchenitser "argued that the program was troubling because it seemed
>designed to benefit a specific charity - Chuck Colson's Prison
Fellow****p
>Ministries. The solicitation listed 10 requirements, all of which mirror
the
>features of Colson's Inner-Change prison program."
>
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Subject: Re: two 2 word messages for JOHN WOLF One scriptural
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>In article <p8hdc211juf6gsvff5sm9v3afc7up891k9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:48:00 +1000, Shasta@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >1. (John 11:35)
>> >
>> >JESUS WEPT
>> >
>> >=======
>> >2.
>> >
>> >GO AWAY!
>> >
>> >++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> Um, Phar Lap, you didn't give the scriptural reference for the 2nd
>> one.
>
>Having trouble counting up to one ? (my little stoned one)
>
>(and remembering names)
>
>Still at the same address in Seattle near the mission?
You're still eluding the men in the white coats, I see!
You really should turn yourself in, fella! They have such a nice white
leather restraint jacket for you to wear! It has all these belts and
buckles on it!
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>colp wrote:
>> David wrote:
>> <snip>
>
>> >>D: Matthew makes clear Jesus is God, as recently as Matthew chapter
26.
>> >>
>> >>C: 'God' (as Elohim) can refer to more than one deity, while 'God'
(as
>> >>theos) refers to a single deity.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Genesis already makes clear, God is both one and more than one.
>>
>> The Elohim of Genesis can be referred to as a group of individual
beings
>> (plural sense), or collectively as a single group (singular sense).
>>
>
>Yes, God as a collective group. The Trinity is a concept which goes
>back to the Old Testament colp.
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> (I've reposted the following as I had previously incorrectly
attributed
>> the comments.)
>
>One of many errors on your part.
>
>>
>> C: You have not shown that Jesus and YHWH are the same.
>>
>> D: This is true colp, I did not show it, instead, Matthew and Genesis
>> showed that Jesus and YHWH are the same.
>>
>> Matthew and Genesis do not show that Jesus and YHWH are the same.
>>
>
>Wrong again colp, Matthew and Genesis do show that Jesus and YHWH are
>the same.
>
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