>>
>> Never mind!
>> I'll leave you to your delusions!
>> Daughter of Satan!
>
>Sure, sure - and she's the 'daughter of Satan' how?
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:55:24 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:57:06 GMT, "Gabriel"
<gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>You can't be that confused on this logic. What's probably happening is
you
>>refuse to admit that intellectual belief in Christ is not enough to
save
>>you. I apologize if that truth upsets you, but it's not my truth, it's
the
>>Word of God.
>
>Perhaps you should approach the subject a little differently.
>
>Satan believes in God. After all, he is a fallen angel. He rejected
God's
>word.
>
>A&E believe in God. After all, they rejected his words, considered
themselves
>suitable to tell him "no", and look at what happened to them.
>
>We believe in God.
Actually you don't. You don't "believe in God." Because part of
"believing IN God" involves "believing God."
You don't "believe God."
You believe in Rome!
There's a HUMONGOUS difference!
You DEFY God whenever Rome demands it!
john w
Choose wisely. Don't tell him, like A&E, did that you know
>better what he said and meant.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
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Subject: Re: Question For You Conservatives And Christians
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:11:29 -0400, * US * wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:51 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> I am saying that you guys didn't have negative word one for WJC
>
>You're a liar, John Weatherly.
Actually, I'm not.
You threw out a challenge. I responded.
You are full of caca.
And you are a psychotic HATER.
Kindly take your political crap to the political groups!
>
>You lie for Satan.
>
>>...raping America ...
>
>Bush and Cheney are bankrupting it,
>and you grovel and lick their boots.
>
>>...ranting and raving are dispro****tionate.
>>
>>john w
>
>Your master Satan smiles as you lie,
>John Weatherly.
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:58:16 -0700, john w <johnw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>... nothing but CONTEMPT for the American people ...
>>john w
>
>You want them impoverished, defamed, sickened, maimed,
>and killed by the lies of your fuhrer Bush, in fact.
>
>Why do you hate Americans?
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:04:40 -0700, "bushkultie@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
<bvallely@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>
>>On Jul 22, 11:38 pm, frisbieinst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> Why do you conservatives sup****t a government that is opposed to the
>>> US Constitution?
>>
>>We don't.
>
>You despise the US Constitution, you craven traitor.
>
>The US Constitution requires adherence to treaties
>to which the USA is signatory.
>
>Your ghoul idols are defying the findings of the
>Nuremberg Tribunals, the Geneva Conventions,
>the Montreal Sabotage Convention, and other
>parts of US Constitutional Law.
>
>Bush and Cheney are terrorizing the Iraqis to keep
>them from selling you cheap oil, and to raid the US
>Treasury with war profiteering, forcing huge debt
>on even the future generations of Americans.
>
>US soldiers and Iraqis are being massacred so that
>Cheney and Bush can line their pockets and those
>of their corrupt crony cohort. You sup****t that
>because you're a bloodthirsty sociopath who hates
>everyone else including especially Americans, or else
>you're a total mindless coward ready to grovel at their
>feet because you've been deluded into the false belief
>that they would keep you 'safe', when all they do in
>reality is betray you. So which is it?
>
>
>Go ahead and explain to everyone why you believe
>that the "Heir to the Holocaust" wouldn't mass
>murder millions of people for fun and profit,
>including plenty of Americans.
>
>
>You're going to need to explain why you sup****t
>doing so much harm to so many, Americans and
>those of other nations alike.
>
>>> And why do you Christians sup****t policies that are
>>> the opposite of what Christ stood for?
>>
>>We don't.
>
>Give an example of "turn the other cheek", and
>of "love thine enemies".
>
>
>Are you at all familiar with those statements?
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Subject: Re: THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:42:05 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:14:03 -0700, arah <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
>
>Matthew's is the first of the four Gospels as they appear in the New
>Testament. This position is perfectly justified by the fact that it is
>a prolongation, as it were, of the Old Testament.
I'm not certain what it is you believe you gain by coming into a
Christian group and attacking Christians, Christ, and the Bible.
Would you like it if a dozen or more Christians hooked up with the
Islam group(s) and attacked Allah, the Koran, and Muslims?
Perhaps that's a project someone should arrange!
I thought the Muslim religion was a religion of peace and tolerance;
you demonstrate neither as your "brothers in the faith" continue to
MURDER each other (Iraq), and non-Muslims (for not being Muslims) all
over the world.
??
john w
It was written to
>show that "Jesus fulfilled the history of Israel", as the commentators
>of the E***enical Translation of the Bible note and on which we shall
>be drawing heavily. To do BO, Matthew constantly refers to quotations
>from the Old Testament which show how Jesus acted as if he were the
>Messiah the Jews were awaiting.
>
>This Gospel begins with a genealogy of Jesus [ The fact that it is in
>contradiction with Luke's Gospel will be dealt with in a separate
>chapter.]. Matthew traces it back to Abraham via David. We shall
>presently see the fault in the text that most commentators silently
>ignore. Matthew's obvious intention was nevertheless to indicate the
>general tenor of his work straight away by establi****ng this line of
>descendants. The author continues the same line of thought by
>constantly bringing to the forefront Jesus's attitude toward Jewish
>law, the main principles of which (praying, fasting, and dispensing
>charity) are summarized here.
>
>Jesus addresses His teachings first and foremost to His own people.
>This is how He speaks to the twelve Apostles "go nowhere among the
>Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans [ The Samaritans'
>religious code was the Torah or Pentateuch; they lived in the
>expectation of the Messiah and were faithful to most Jewish
>observances, but they had built a rival Temple to the one at
>Jerusalem.] but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
>Israel." (Matthew 10, 5-6). "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the
>house of Israel". (Matthew 15, 24). At the end of his Gospel, in
>second place, Matthew extends the apostolic mission of Jesus's first
>disciples to all nations. He makes Jesus give the following order. "Go
>therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28, 19), but the
>primary destination must be the 'house of Israel'.
>
>Tricot says of this Gospel, "Beneath its Greek garb, the flesh and
>bones of this book are Jewish, and so is its spirit; it has a Jewish
>feel and bears its distinctive signs".
>
>On the basis of these observations alone, the origins of Matthew's
>Gospel may be placed in the tradition of a Judeo-Christian community.
>According to O. Culmann, this community "was trying to break away from
>Judaism while at the same time preserving the continuity of the Old
>Testament. The main preoccupations and the general tenor of this
>Gospel point towards a strained situation."
>
>There are also political factors to be found in the text. The Roman
>occupation of Palestine naturally heightened the desire of this
>country to see itself liberated. They prayed for God to intervene in
>favour of the people He had chosen among all others, and as their
>omnipotent sovereign who could give direct sup****t to the affairs of
>men, as He had already done many times in the course of history.
>
>What sort of person was Matthew? Let us say straight away that he is
>no longer acknowledged to be one of Jesus's companions. A. Tricot
>nevertheless presents him as such in his commentary to the translation
>of the New Testament, 1960: "Matthew alias, Levi, was a customs
>officer employed at the tollgate or customs house at Capharnaum when
>Jesus called him to be one of His disciples." This is the opinion of
>the Fathers of the Church, Origen, Jerome and Epiphanes. This opinion
>is no longer held today. One point which is uncontested is that the
>author is writing "for people who speak Greek, but nevertheless know
>Jewish customs and the Aramaic language."
>
>It would seem that for the commentators of the E***enical Translation,
>the origins of this Gospel are as follows:
>
>"It is normally considered to have been written in Syria, perhaps at
>Antioch (. . .), or in Phoenicia, because a great many Jews lived in
>these countries. [ It has been thought that the Judeo-Christian
>community that Matthew belonged to might just as easily have been
>situated at Alexandria. O. Culmann refers to this hypothesis along
>with many others.] (. . .) we have indications of a polemic against
>the orthodox Judaism of the Synagogue and the Pharasees such as was
>manifested at the synagogal assembly at Jamina circa 80 A.D." In such
>conditions, there are many authors who date the first of the Gospels
>at about 80-90 A.D., perhaps also a little earlier. it is not possible
>to be absolutely definite about this . . . since we do not know the
>author's exact name, we must be satisfied with a few outlines traced
>in the Gospel itself. the author can be recognized by his profession.
>He is well-versed in Jewish writings and traditions. He knows,
>respects, but vigorously challenges the religious leaders of his
>people. He is a past master in the art of teaching and making Jesus
>understandable to his listeners. He always insists on the practical
>consequences of his teachings. He would fit fairly well the
>description of an educated Jew turned Christian; a householder "who
>brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old" as Matthew
>says (13,52). This is a long way from the civil servant at Capharnaum,
>whom Mark and Luke call Levi, and who had become one of the twelve
>Apostles . . .
>
>Everyone agrees in thinking that Matthew wrote his Gospel using the
>same sources as Mark and Luke. His narration is, as we shall see,
>different on several essential points. In spite of this, Matthew
>borrowed heavily from Mark's Gospel although the latter was not one of
>Jesus's disciples (O. Culmann).
>
>Matthew takes very serious liberties with the text. We shall see this
>when we discuss the Old Testament in relation to the genealogy of
>Jesus which is placed at the beginning of his Gospel.
>
>He inserts into his book descriptions which are quite literally
>incredible. This is the adjective used in the work mentioned above by
>Father Kannengiesser referring to an episode in the Resurrection. the
>episode of the guard. He points out the improbability of the story
>referring to military guards at the tomb, "these Gentile soldiers" who
>"re****t, not to their hierarchical superiors, but to the high priests
>who pay them to tell lies". He adds however: "One must not laugh at
>him because Matthew's intention was extremely serious. In his own way
>he incor****ates ancient data from the oral tradition into his written
>work. The scenario is nevertheless worthy of Jesus Christ Superstar.
>[ An American film which parodies the life of Jesus.]"
>
>Let us not forget that this opinion on Matthew comes from an eminent
>theologian teaching at the Catholic Institute of Paris (Institut
>Catholique de Paris).
>
>Matthew relates in his narration the events accompanying the death of
>Jesus. They are another example of his imagination.
>
>"And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to
>bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also
>were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were
>raised, and coming out of tombs after his resurrection they went into
>the holy city and appeared to many."
>
>This passage from Matthew (27, 51-53) has no corresponding passage in
>the other Gospels. It is difficult to see how the bodies of the saints
>in question could have raised from the dead at the time of Jesus's
>death (according to the Gospels it was on the eve of the Sabbath) and
>only emerge from their tombs after his resurrection (according to the
>same sources on the day after the Sabbath).
>
>The most notable improbability is perhaps to be found in Matthew. It
>is the most difficult to rationalize of all that the Gospel authors
>claim Jesus said. He relates in chapter 12, 38-40 the episode
>concerning Jonah's sign:
>
>Jesus was among the scribes and pharisees who addressed him in the
>following terms:
>
>"Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you. But he answered them, "An
>evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be
>given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was
>three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son
>of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
>
>Jesus therefore proclaims that he will stay in the earth three days
>and three nights. So Matthew, along with Luke and Mark, place the
>death and burial of Jesus on the eve of the Sabbath. This, of course,
>makes the time spent in the earth three days (treis êmeras in the
>Greek text), but this period can only include two and not three nights
>(treis nuktas in the Greek text [ In another part of his Gospel
>Matthew again refers to this episode but without being precise about
>the time (16, 1-4). The same is true for Luke (11, 29-32). We shall
>see later on how in Mark, Jesus is said to have declared that no sign
>would be given to that generation (Mark 8, 11-12).]).
>
>Gospel commentators frequently ignore this episode. Father Roguet
>nevertheless points out this improbability when he notes that Jesus
>"only stayed in the tomb" three days (one of them complete) and two
>nights. He adds however that "it is a set expression and really means
>three days". It is disturbing to see commentators reduced to using
>arguments that do not contain any positive meaning. It would be much
>more satisfying intellectually to say that a gross error such as this
>was the result of a scribe's mistake!
>
>Apart from these improbabilities, what mostly distinguishes Matthew's
>Gospel is that it is the work of a Judeo-Christian community in the
>process of breaking away from Judaism while remaining in line with the
>Old Testament. From the point of view of Judeo-Christian history it is
>very im****tant.
>
>Extract from
>The Bible, Quran and Science
>by Dr. Maurice Bucaille
>
>http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/10sources.htm
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:36:54 -0700, SJAB1958 <balfres@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>Apart from the flood in Genesis, can anyone tell me any other Biblical
>account where God had a direct hand in the killing of any human being?
>And by direct hand I mean where there was no intermediary such as the
>angel of death.
to label God as bloodthirsty is, of course, blasphemy... since
" God is love " 1 Joh. 4:16
He handles reprobates according to their deeds...
" Behold, all souls are Mine. As the soul of the father, also the soul
of the son, they are Mine. The soul that sins, it shall die. "
Ez. 18:4
that God disposes of reprobates according to His desire is because
their sins provoke Him... such as the destruction of the ancient world
by the Great Flood...
" Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually. " Gen. 6;5
" And the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from
the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to
birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." Gen. 6:7
2 Ch. 20 records God disposing of evil men through first causes.
the Name " The Angel of the Lord " is one of the Old Testament Names
of Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, who is
the only physical manifestation of the Triune God... Jg. 6:22
here is a link to DL an excellent and free Bible program which has a
great search engine built in that you can use to find anything in the
Bible...
www.e-sword.net
************************************************
" believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved "
Acts 16:31
" and as many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed."
Acts 13:48
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:07:12 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:cu9da3tagc032ipvnnlt6ovalqtmsng79a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>
>> You are a God-damned liar,
>>
>Yet this is the man who wants people to boycott/write L'oreal becaus
Diane
>Keaton said geez.....
You pretend to be educated, yet you don't know the actual definition
of "taking God's name in vain."
tsk tsk
You damned PHONY!
>
>Only on usenet....
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christianity,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Tammy Faye wasted away
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:17:53 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:55:48 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:28:34 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
>> <colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>
>>> Stupid, save this trash for your next book, no one here cares.
>>> CS
>>
>> Why did you even post this crap? You think I care what you think,
>> Crazy Jimmy?
>
>We ALL know *you* care, but you can't understand we don't care what a
tard squeaks about.
>Col Sneakly
>SBArmy
I care enough about what you think to archive your EVERY word so
that I can give you a LONG rest at Leavenworth!
;-)
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christianity,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Tammy Faye wasted away
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:09:36 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:28:34 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>
>Stupid, save this trash for your next book, no one here cares.
>CS
Why did you even post this crap? You think I care what you think,
Crazy Jimmy?
'
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christianity,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Tammy Faye wasted away
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:03:49 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:26:18 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>news:h4mca3dk4cc207v1702gs06ln0iifhnnlf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:05:09 -0400, "Scout Lady"
>> <scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>
>>>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>>>news:aep9a3l9p55nv2aqvqep8r1fjsbjsik42l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>> ADULTS take personal responsibility; children look for someone to
>>>> blame.
>>>>
>>>
>>>"The language I use in here to a handful of people such as YOU who
>>>VERY DELIBERATELY PROVOKE me 10 times a DAY is not the issue."
>>>----John D Weatherly 07/23/07 1:06PM
>>>
>> It's astounding how you look so closely for chinks in the thoughts
>> expressed by those you hate,
>
>So are you finally admitting that you say one thing yet do another?
>
>> yet you never seem to find the gaping holes big enough for Mack trucks
>> to pass in your own thinking!
>>
>> "Oh, well! No one's perfect! Except you!"
>>
>Save the straw.
I see you're familiar with the old saying, "If you can't be right,
be cynical!"
(actually,it's not an old saying, but you'd probably never have
known that, since you seem to not be particularly well read)
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Tammy Faye wasted away
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:56:24 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:32:15 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
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>
>>
>> In the opinion of a LOT of Christians, it is very indicative of her
>> real spiritual state. (what is INSIDE)
>> It's also a matter of OBEDIENCE. Women are not to adorn themselves
>> in a gaudy, flashy, showy manner.
>> Look at Mrs Reagan, look at Jackie Kennedy, look at Laura Bush.
>>
>> Beautiful women who didn't / don't see any need for a pound of makeup
>> a day, and purple hair!
>>
>>>You begrudge her for having bad taste in cosmetics.
>>
>> No, I am bothered by her ignorance or arrogance regarding scriptural
>> instructions for how women are to behave, and for how they are to keep
>> their appearance.
>>
>>>It brought smiles to millions of people, it was a good thing actually.
>>
>> You certainly have the right to your opinion.
>> As for millions of people smiling, they were laughing at her, and
>> she acknowledged that, and she didn't care.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>She was a christer, doesn't instantly make her a fanatic.
>>>>>All she wanted to do was put on xtian puppet shows for kids.
>>>>>All that other crap was Bakker.
>>>>
>>>> You don't know what you're talking about! Try educating yourself!
>>>
>>>No, YOU open your eyes and see that people are not merely defined by
one
>>>aspect of their personalities, talents, short comings, looks or
spiritual
>>>beliefs.
>>
>> Christianity encomp***** the whole person, not the toenails, not the
>> fingernails. Christianity encomp***** one's entire being.
>>
>>>You need an education about people in general.
>>
>> I'm not talking about "people in general."
>> And you need an education in something called "religious freedom."
>> That's my right to disagree with how someone who calls herself "a
>> Christian" conducts herself in public.
>>
>>>I thought money money money was the American Way.
>>
>> I am talking about people who claim to be Christians.
>>
>> She claimed to be a Christian, but I never saw one thing about her
>> that said "this woman is a Christian!"
>>
>I wonder if Tammy used L'oreal cosmetics?
What ARE you mumbling about?
Since you evidently had your head stuffed too far up your butt to
notice, she said multiple times (including her last interview last
week), that she was abusing Maybelline products!
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:54:48 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:03:04 -0400, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>
>"<~(Hey, WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>"
><ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>People who are mentally retarded (people with Down's, autism,
>microcephaly, etc.) are generally some of the sweetest, gentlest,
>kindest people on earth. They are nothing like Weatherly who
>misbehaves with malice, intent, and forethought. He's a sociopathic
>adult with the ability to choose how he acts and who he hurts. The
>mentally retarded are better human beings than he is.
>
>Please stop putting him into a class of people that he's not worthy to
>tie the shoes of.
>-----------------
>
>Amen!
> Wow! Cathy doesn't like me! Will I EVER survive the night?
smirk.
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:54:03 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:41:42 -0400, "~²ºº²~ galia ~²ºº³~"
<galia@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>"<~(Hey, WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>"
><ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>news:1185330308.045974.243330@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Jul 24, 8:14 pm, "Col. Sneak" <colsn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>>> Save it for your books, no one here cares what a retard spouts.
>
>>You know, I've seen you refer to Weatherly dozons (maybe a hundred)
>>times as "retard" or "retarded". Honestly, as someone who works with
>>those who truly *are* what people might call "retarded", your use of
>>that term to describe JW is not just offensive to me, but completely
>>non-applicable.
>
>>People who are mentally retarded (people with Down's, autism,
>>microcephaly, etc.) are generally some of the sweetest, gentlest,
>>kindest people on earth. They are nothing like Weatherly who
>>misbehaves with malice, intent, and forethought. He's a sociopathic
>>adult with the ability to choose how he acts and who he hurts. The
>>mentally retarded are better human beings than he is.
>
>>Please stop putting him into a class of people that he's not worthy to
>>tie the shoes of.
>
>I agree with this 100 %...
clap clap! Galia agrees with you!
Now, it's just a matter of figuring out who the HELL Galia is?
A licensed psychiatrist?
nope!
Just another mad ***** with more grudge than common sense!
>
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:53:00 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:25:08 -0700, "<~(Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Jul 24, 8:14 pm, "Col. Sneak" <colsn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> john w <johnw wrote:
>> > x-no-archive: yes
>> > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:28:11 -0400, John Henry <johnhe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> > wrote:
>> > © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>> > may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> >> john w <johnw wrote:
>> >>> x-no-archive: yes
>> >>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:37:11 -0700, "<~(Hey,
>> >>> WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheska...
@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>> >>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the
author.
>> >>>> On Jul 23, 10:10 am, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> I know I've heard profanity "Jesus" and "Christ" during the
Ken
>> >>>>> Schram (TV exec) commentary several times.
>> >>>>> His comment once was, "Christ!" Let's get real." or to that
>> >>>>> effect.
>> >>>>> His other comment was, "Jesus!"
>> >>>>> That's certainly understandable. He's a good Roman Catholic!
>> >>>> Liar.
>> >>> You AGAIN don't know what the HELL you are talking about, and
YOU
>> >>> are the liar!
>>
>> >>> Perhaps profanity isn't something you tune in to! I do!
>> >> Well, that's a given.
>> >>> I happen to know Ken Schram (and his family) - he grew up just
>> >>>> 20 miles from the town I grew up in.
>> >>> Should I dance a jig?
>>
>> >>> He's a good man
>>
>> >>> He also smokes. So he's a Roman Catholic (who says so openly),
he
>> >>> smokes, which he BRAGS about ("maybe I'll quit SOME DAY! Maybe I
>> >>> won't!")
>>
>> >>> Which goes to the HEART of his basic lack of character and
>> >>> self-destructive tendencies.
>> >> So, it's smoking that's the sin unto death!
>> >>> Plus, he dissed me a few years back, meaning he LIED on public
radio!
>> >> IOW, he didn't put up with your bull, either.
>>
>> > And you're such a bigoted, pathetic, pathological HATER it would
>> > never even OCCUR to you to ask me what Ken Schram did to me.
>> > You naturally (pathological HATE, EXTREMELY NARROW MIND), you
simply
>> > ASSUME *I* did something wrong!
>>
>> > You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>> > apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize
to
>> > me!
>>
>> > He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a
cheat.
>>
>> >>> and a
>> >>>> professional who would never use profanity on-the-air.
>> >>> You don't know what the HELL you are talking about!
>>
>> >>> The two profanities I referred to are two profanities he used on
the
>> >>> air!
>>
>> >>> It was during his Ken Schram commentaries.
>>
>> >>> And he lied to me in an e-mail!
>> >> You forgot to add, in your opinion.
>>
>> > You are stupid as a rock! You never even BOTHERED to read below
>> > where I EXPLAINED how he lied to me in an e-mail!
>>
>> > How do you expect ME to love and be nice, when all you do with ME
is
>> > falsely accuse me, and lie about me?
>>
>> >>> I called him on something VERY DUMB that he said during one of
his
>> >>> radio commentaries. He referred to sperm as "those little
tadpoles, I
>> >>> don't remember what they're called."
>>
>> >>> I wrote him an e-mail several YEARS later about something else,
and
>> >>> mentioned his radio commentary in which he didn't know what sperm
are.
>>
>> >>> I said he called them "little tadpoles."
>> >> He probably just meant that yours were "little tadpoles."
>>
>> > Now kindly explain to me how your cute remark ^ ^ adds to the
>> > discussion?
>>
>> > You're writing PURE, NO-MIND, HATE, John!
>>
>> >>> He wrote back a snippy comment to me that "You are out of your
mind,
>> >>> guy!
>> >> Bet you told him all about diagnosing you via improper channels,
huh?
>>
>> > As I said, dumb-ass bigot, you haven't even BOTHERED to read the
>> > whole story; you simply MUST sprinkle your moronic, hateful PUTDOWNS
>> > throughout!
>> > How is that LOVE?
>>
>> >>> I've never in my life used the expression "little tadpoles."
>>
>> >>> I wrote him AGAIN and said, "it was during your radio program a
few
>> >>> years back when you dissed me about something else."
>> >> You felt compelled to prove that you were right and that he was
wrong,
>> >> correct?
>>
>> > Why are you 100 times more interested in putting me down than you
>> > are in getting the whole story, John H?
>>
>> > And you wonder why people consider you a narrow-minded hater.
>>
>> >>> THIS time, he wrote, "Oh! on my RADIO program! That was YEARS
ago! I
>> >>> probably said it as a joke!"
>>
>> >>> What happened to "I've never in my life used the expression
"little
>> >>> tadpoles." ??
>> >> He was probably just referring back to your "little tadpoles?"
>>
>> > John, this post right here proves once again, that the story is of
>> > NO Interest to you. (the facts don't interest you).
>>
>> > All you look for is simply more op****tunities to be a childish
>> > nincompoop. (you don't need to be thinking up ways to say, "well,
>> > John W, you're twice the nincompoop I am!")
>>
>> > The point is, I frequently read an entire post to see where it's
>> > going. The person MAY be saying things I don't like at the top, but
he
>> > comes to where I am or closer by the end. I'm not going to criticize
>> > his every word between here and there.
>>
>> > YOU, however, are such a jackass that you will jump in and skin
>> > someone at the very outset, when if you BOTHERED to read to the end,
>> > he's agreeing with you!
>>
>> > You, John H, have again become too much a narrow-minded,
pathological
>> > liar and bigot, for me to bother with you much more!
>>
>> Save it for your books, no one here cares what a retard spouts.
>
>You know, I've seen you refer to Weatherly dozons (maybe a hundred)
>times as "retard" or "retarded". Honestly, as someone who works with
>those who truly *are* what people might call "retarded", your use of
>that term to describe JW is not just offensive to me, but completely
>non-applicable.
>
>People who are mentally retarded (people with Down's, autism,
>microcephaly, etc.) are generally some of the sweetest, gentlest,
>kindest people on earth.
very true!
They are nothing like Weatherly who
>misbehaves with malice, intent, and forethought.
You are a liar, and you are malicious.
With malice aforethought, and with intent. (I can say everything
about you that you've said about me)
He's a sociopathic
>adult
Again, stupid one, you pretend that you're a psychiatrist, even as
you PROJECT!
with the ability to choose how he acts and who he hurts. The
>mentally retarded are better human beings than he is.
>
>Please stop putting him into a class of people that he's not worthy to
>tie the shoes of.
You don't seem to have problems calling OTHERS unworthy, you
miserable miscreant and sociopathic pervert!
;-)
I can be as UGLY and as NASTY as you can!
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
Commercials!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:50:16 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:14:59 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>john w <johnw wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:28:11 -0400, John Henry <johnhenry@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>> john w <johnw wrote:
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:37:11 -0700, "<~(Hey,
>>>> WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this
post
>>>> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>> On Jul 23, 10:10 am, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I've heard profanity "Jesus" and "Christ" during the Ken
>>>>>> Schram (TV exec) commentary several times.
>>>>>> His comment once was, "Christ!" Let's get real." or to that
>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>> His other comment was, "Jesus!"
>>>>>> That's certainly understandable. He's a good Roman Catholic!
>>>>> Liar.
>>>> You AGAIN don't know what the HELL you are talking about, and YOU
>>>> are the liar!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps profanity isn't something you tune in to! I do!
>>> Well, that's a given.
>>>> I happen to know Ken Schram (and his family) - he grew up just
>>>>> 20 miles from the town I grew up in.
>>>> Should I dance a jig?
>>>>
>>>> He's a good man
>>>>
>>>> He also smokes. So he's a Roman Catholic (who says so openly), he
>>>> smokes, which he BRAGS about ("maybe I'll quit SOME DAY! Maybe I
>>>> won't!")
>>>>
>>>> Which goes to the HEART of his basic lack of character and
>>>> self-destructive tendencies.
>>> So, it's smoking that's the sin unto death!
>>>> Plus, he dissed me a few years back, meaning he LIED on public
radio!
>>> IOW, he didn't put up with your bull, either.
>>
>> And you're such a bigoted, pathetic, pathological HATER it would
>> never even OCCUR to you to ask me what Ken Schram did to me.
>> You naturally (pathological HATE, EXTREMELY NARROW MIND), you simply
>> ASSUME *I* did something wrong!
>>
>> You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>> apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize to
>> me!
>>
>> He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a cheat.
>>
>>>> and a
>>>>> professional who would never use profanity on-the-air.
>>>> You don't know what the HELL you are talking about!
>>>>
>>>> The two profanities I referred to are two profanities he used on
the
>>>> air!
>>>>
>>>> It was during his Ken Schram commentaries.
>>>>
>>>> And he lied to me in an e-mail!
>>> You forgot to add, in your opinion.
>>
>> You are stupid as a rock! You never even BOTHERED to read below
>> where I EXPLAINED how he lied to me in an e-mail!
>>
>> How do you expect ME to love and be nice, when all you do with ME is
>> falsely accuse me, and lie about me?
>>
>>>> I called him on something VERY DUMB that he said during one of his
>>>> radio commentaries. He referred to sperm as "those little tadpoles,
I
>>>> don't remember what they're called."
>>>>
>>>> I wrote him an e-mail several YEARS later about something else, and
>>>> mentioned his radio commentary in which he didn't know what sperm
are.
>>>>
>>>> I said he called them "little tadpoles."
>>> He probably just meant that yours were "little tadpoles."
>>
>> Now kindly explain to me how your cute remark ^ ^ adds to the
>> discussion?
>>
>> You're writing PURE, NO-MIND, HATE, John!
>>
>>>> He wrote back a snippy comment to me that "You are out of your
mind,
>>>> guy!
>>> Bet you told him all about diagnosing you via improper channels, huh?
>>
>> As I said, dumb-ass bigot, you haven't even BOTHERED to read the
>> whole story; you simply MUST sprinkle your moronic, hateful PUTDOWNS
>> throughout!
>> How is that LOVE?
>>
>>>> I've never in my life used the expression "little tadpoles."
>>>>
>>>> I wrote him AGAIN and said, "it was during your radio program a
few
>>>> years back when you dissed me about something else."
>>> You felt compelled to prove that you were right and that he was
wrong,
>>> correct?
>>
>> Why are you 100 times more interested in putting me down than you
>> are in getting the whole story, John H?
>>
>> And you wonder why people consider you a narrow-minded hater.
>>
>>>> THIS time, he wrote, "Oh! on my RADIO program! That was YEARS ago!
I
>>>> probably said it as a joke!"
>>>>
>>>> What happened to "I've never in my life used the expression
"little
>>>> tadpoles." ??
>>> He was probably just referring back to your "little tadpoles?"
>>
>> John, this post right here proves once again, that the story is of
>> NO Interest to you. (the facts don't interest you).
>>
>> All you look for is simply more op****tunities to be a childish
>> nincompoop. (you don't need to be thinking up ways to say, "well,
>> John W, you're twice the nincompoop I am!")
>>
>> The point is, I frequently read an entire post to see where it's
>> going. The person MAY be saying things I don't like at the top, but he
>> comes to where I am or closer by the end. I'm not going to criticize
>> his every word between here and there.
>>
>> YOU, however, are such a jackass that you will jump in and skin
>> someone at the very outset, when if you BOTHERED to read to the end,
>> he's agreeing with you!
>>
>> You, John H, have again become too much a narrow-minded, pathological
>> liar and bigot, for me to bother with you much more!
>
>Save it for your books, no one here cares what a retard spouts.
>Col. Sneak
Do try REAL hard to speak for yourself, ****breath, and not for
others!
john w
>SBA
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
Commercials!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:49:34 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:58:42 -0700, "<~(Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Jul 24, 6:50 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>> apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize to
>> me!
>>
>> He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a cheat.
>
>Would you like me to get in touch with him so we can all hear his side
>of the story, John?
>
Oh, Cyclops.
You challenged me, you have called me every kind of liar.
I went back and retrieved SEVERAL of the e-mails. It was back in
August/September 2001.
Here are the e-mails. Since they're from my OLD e-mail address (one
which some psycho PUNK in here cancelled), I am presenting those
e-mails with my address, AND with Kenny's!
I'm tired! I'll get back to this later!
john w
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
Commercials!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:28:00 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:26:29 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
><~(Hey, WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~> wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 6:50 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>>> apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize to
>>> me!
>>>
>>> He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a
cheat.
>>
>> Would you like me to get in touch with him so we can all hear his side
>> of the story, John?
>
>No need, we know who the liar is.
>Col. Sneak
Yep. In this particular discussion, dirtbag, the liar is YOU!
****breath!
>SBArmy
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:58:42 -0700, "<~(Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Jul 24, 6:50 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> You cretin! He dissed me, and then after he dissed me, he
>> apologized to his audience for dissing me. But he didn't apologize to
>> me!
>>
>> He proved on live radio that he's a liar and a hypocrite and a cheat.
>
>Would you like me to get in touch with him so we can all hear his side
>of the story, John?
Absolutely!
Perhaps it's time for YOU to put up or shut up!
Ask him if he remembers his "Open Mike Friday", where the LIAR
PROMISED, "I don't care what your issue is! Whatever it is you want to
sound off about! You get your minute! Just call up! If you're lucky
enough to be one of the FEW who manages to get through, we'll
introduce you, and then you have your 60 seconds to SPOUT on your
favorite subject, beef, or whatever! All we ask is that you remember
it's a public airwave, and KEEP IT CLEAN."
SO I called. About the 10th time I called, I got through! He asked
me, "What's up?" I asked him to allow me to inform the listeners of
Seattle that the Seattle MEDIA and the Seattle judicial system were
EXTREMELY anti-male, that it was VERY easy for a woman in Seattle to
falsely accuse her husband of battering her, and she could then steal
the kid with the court's-- and the media's-- TOTAL cooperation."
I started to go on, and realized that I heard an echo. I was talking
to DEAD air. Without a word, he'd turned me off. I barely got 10
seconds, much less the publicly PROMISED "60 seconds.
He then apologized to the AUDIENCE, NOT TO ME, "I know I promised
anyone who called 60 seconds, but that guy pissed me off so much, I
guess I'm NOT that tolerant!"
So much for his VOW that "anyone who calls in gets his 60 seconds,
your choice of topics."
He forgot to say, "Unless what you want to talk about pisses me off."
Ask him if he recalls the e-mail about the guy who confronted him
about his reference to "little tadpoles" meaning sperm.
He said he'd "NEVER used such a phrase! EVER!"
When I pointed out he'd said it on his radio station, he gruffly
said, "Oh! My RADIO station! Then I was evidently joking."
What happened to his FLAT remark, "I have NEVER used such a phrase!
EVER!"
If you like, I'll HAPPILY post the e-mails, so long as I can delete
my e-mail address.
Let's see if your "buddy, Kenny" is 1/2 as honest as you claim!
I highly doubt it!
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Subject: Re: Attention: Concerned Christians! RE Profanity In
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:13:51 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:57:58 -0400, "Scout Lady"
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> wrote:
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>
>"john w @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>There are alot of Christians who smoke, John
>>
>> Says who?
>>
>So did you ingest that Canadian bud or what John?
I keep wondering if you'll EVER get around to saying something
positive.
Or if you intend to keep up your childish snip snip snipping for the
rest of your life.
You apparently haven't heard the one about "if you can't say something
nice..."
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:28:34 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
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>john w <johnw wrote:
>
>Stupid, save this trash for your next book, no one here cares.
>CS
Why did you even post this crap? You think I care what you think,
Crazy Jimmy?
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:20:25 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:58:47 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>
>>I never heard one word of repentance.
>>
>>And I listened for it.
>
>
>What have 'you' EVER repented for, liar-johnnie?
Good question, dear one. What HAVE YOU ever repented?
You continue to BOGGLE the mind at the INTIMATE questions you ask.
john w
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<skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:01:00 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> >> x-no-archive: yes
>> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:11:26 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> >> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
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>> >> the author
>> >> >
>> >> >"I. B. Wonderin" <posting@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >news:UcKwg.133766$H71.48686@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> To man in the garden of Eden. That's why Jesus said The Sabbath
was
>> >made
>> >> >> for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mark 2, Matt 12, Luke 6
>> >> >
>> >> >(Mar 2:23) And it came to pass, that he went through the corn
fields
>on
>> >the
>> >> >sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the
ears
>of
>> >> >corn.
>> >>
>> >> Um, Steve! You seem to have lost your way again!
>> >
>> >Nope, not really.
>> >
>> >> This is the Baptist group.
>> >>
>> >> The Roman Catholic group is
>> >>
>> >> <---------------------
>> >>
>> >> that way!
>> >
>> >Where does it say that in the Bible?
>>
>> I am suggesting that you stop cross-posting your Roman Catholic views
>> in the Baptist group.
>>
>> Kindly confine them to the RCC group.
>
>No, you do that.
>
>> Near the passage that says Jesus used
>> >full immersion when he personally baptised people?
>>
>> John 3 says that Jesus baptized.
>
>John 4 explains that.
Actually, John 4 does NOT "explain" the two passages in John 3. It
contradicts them.
>
>> If He followed John's example (and we have no reason to not believe He
>> did, and we DO have physical evidence that He DID), when Jesus
>> baptized His first followers, He immersed them, as He was immersed.
>>
>> And to deny that He was immersed and that He subsequently immersed
>> others, is to deny what is suggested strongly in the text.
>
>Suggested. And it's not. It's suggested by history. All it says is
that
>they baptised.
You are a liar, and you are uninformed. There are many photos on the
Internet of the ruins of 1st and 2nd C churches in the area. They have
baptismal pools. Why have these water basins deep enough to submerge
someone and not use them for PRECISELY that?
So you can be happy?
uh uh!
>
>> You reject the baptism of Jesus by immersion, yet you ADD LOTS of
>> other teachings that suit you!
>>
>> 1. Mary wor****p
>> 2. Popery
>> 3. idolatry
>> 4. indulgences
>> 5. "holy water"
>
>I'm surprised by your lack of knowledge of Catholicism and your lack of
>knowledge of the Bible.
smirk
The Roman Catholic Group is
< ----------------------
that way.
john w
>
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Or near the passage that mentions the 1st century AD church building
that
>> >says 1st century AD on it?
>>
>> Why -- when you can't defeat me scripturally-- do you attack me
>> personally?
>
>You distort things terribly.
You are a liar damned by God (that means, you are a God damned liar)
I have distorted NOTHING. Nor have I been spoonfed what I believe by
Rome.
And you, Andrew, Susan/Ted, and Cindy are like
>peas in a pod when it comes to honesty.
smirk.
And YOU are the authority on all things scriptural!
choke. cough.
>
>> Is that how Jesus would do things?
>>
>> And if you have not visited the city I visited in Turkey, how do you
>> know that that church isn't there?
>>
>> And I didn't say it says "1st Century AD" on it!
>
>Good for you.
>
>> I said the church has a cornerstone that dates it to the 1st C AD,
>> like " 64 AD".
>>
>> And it does.
>
>Rubbish. That dating came later.
Like I said, LIAR! You have not seen the church! So you can't say
otherwise! You can only LIE about it!
And your days are numbered! I am not the only person who has seen
those churches!
Your lies will be brought into the light in the VERY near future!
;-)
>
>> Those who have actually TRAVELED to the Holy Land, those who have
>> actually VISITED the churches Paul established
>>
>> don't scoff.
>>
>>
>> You obviously have not visited the Holy Land.
>
>Where does it say that in the Bible?
Where does it say
WHAT?
You are a joke!
The Roman Catholic Group is
< ----------------------
that way.
>
>God bless,
>Stephen
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>> >> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion
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>> >> >> >"I. B. Wonderin" <posting@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >news:UcKwg.133766$H71.48686@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> To man in the garden of Eden. That's why Jesus said The
Sabbath
>was
>> >> > made
>> >> >> >> for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Mark 2, Matt 12, Luke 6
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >(Mar 2:23) And it came to pass, that he went through the corn
>fields
>> >on
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck
the
>ears
>> >of
>> >> >> >corn.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Um, Steve! You seem to have lost your way again!
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope, not really.
>> >> >
>> >> >> This is the Baptist group.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Roman Catholic group is
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <---------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> that way!
>> >> >
>> >> > Where does it say that in the Bible? Near the passage that says
>Jesus
>> >> > used
>> >> > full immersion when he personally baptised people?
>> >>
>> >> Hmm, I don't think Jesus baptized any that I can remember.
>> >
>> >He didn't.
>>
>> you forgot to say "in my opinion."
>>
>> Of course, if you OPPOSE water/immersion baptism, it would behoove you
>> to discount any passages that say that Jesus baptised.
>> (and two passages say He did)
>>
>>
>> >
>> >John sees
>> >
>> >(John 3:22 KJV) After these things came Jesus and his disciples into
the
>> >land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
>> >
>> >and says Jesus personally baptised people.
>> >
>> >John 4:1-2 KJV When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had
heard
>> >that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (2) (Though
>Jesus
>> >himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
>> >
>> >This he doesn't believe.
>>
>> It's contradictory.
>
>Only if you force it to be.
>
>> It's as if, earlier eyewitnesses saw and re****ted that Jesus was
>> baptizing. This was re****ted on two separate occasions.
>>
>> Jesus went to another part of the river with His disciples, and [He]
>> baptized.
>>
>> Some of John's disciples (spies) came to John later (2nd re****t) and
>> told John, "that guy we saw you with awhile back, is now over there on
>> the river, and He's baptizing! And more people are going to HIM than
>> are coming to you!"
>>
>> 2nd re****t.
>>
>> Only LATER (a different CHAPTER) does a 3rd re****t come in (likely
>> from a 3rd source who went to check, and by THAT time, Jesus was no
>> longer baptizing), and he said, "No, Jesus wasn't baptizing."
>> (because, you see, he got there too late to witness Jesus baptizing)
>>
>> When we see an apparent disrepancy, some tend to toss out what they
>> don't wish to believe.
>>
>> You wish to toss out TWO previous EYEWITNESS accounts that Jesus WAS
>> baptizing, and go with the 3rd which says He wasn't!
>>
>> I choose to go with all three, and try to harmonize them. My version
>> "works."
>>
>> By the time the third spy got there, Jesus had stopped baptizing.
>> Rather than the third spy ASKING someone, "Was Jesus baptizing
>> people?" he simply returned to John and re****ted what he had SEEN, not
>> what had actually been happening!
>>
>> However, we MUST account for the previous TWO EYEWITNESS accounts.
>>
>> Your version fails.
>
>Not if you read it in context.
>
>> And the most im****tant issue is this: Why does it matter?
>
>To you, I don't know.
>
>> It doesn't matter to ME! It's a minor issue, and I didn't even
>> DISCOVER this point until VERY recently! (I'd managed to survive over
>> 55 YEARS without the information)
>>
>> It only seem to matter to those who HATE immersion believers's
>> baptism!
>
>Muslims?
>
>> If Jesus Himself IMMERSED His first followers, then we have to DEAL
>> with that! If, however, we can DENY that He did...
>
>The Bible doesn't say he did.
You are a pathological LIAR!
JN 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the
Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
( 1 )
23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was
plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized. 24
(This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument developed
between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of
ceremonial wa****ng. 26 They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that
man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan--the one you
testified about--well, he is baptizing ( 2 ), and everyone is going to
him."
In the course of 5 verses, it says TWICE that He baptized.
And now IN THE TEXT I have PROVEd you to be a LIAR!
;-)
>
>> Problem solved!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> However, on the
>> >> subject of baptism, it seems that it usually required much water,
i.e.
>> >John
>> >> The Baptizer in the Jordan and Phillip with the Ethiopian.
>> >
>> >Most likely it was immersion. But technically we can't be sure. It
>could
>> >have been pouring. A cut and paste from a previous post to John:
>> >
>> >If you go into a body of water, knee deep, and then come out of it,
you
>can
>> >be said to have come out of the water, but you were only ever knee
deep.
>> >
>> >Look at the following text:
>> >
>> >Act 8:38-39 KJV And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they
>went
>> >down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized
>him.
>> >(39) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the
Lord
>> >caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on
his
>way
>> >rejoicing.
>> >
>> >Philip AND the eunuch went "into the water" ....... then Philip
baptised
>him
>> >....... then both came out of the water.
>> >
>> >By his rule, they both were fully submerged, then performed the
baptism,
>>
>> Not necessarily. That both went into the water would be REQUIRED for
>> one to baptize the other.
>
>Nope. You've argued that going down into the water means fully
submerged.
>Therefore both went down into the water means both were fully submerged.
>
>> Your "point' merely is an attempt to obscure the real point.
>>
>> >and then came out of the water so that they were no longer fully
>submerged.
>> >
>> >It doesn't make sense.
>>
>> To whom?
>
>To those who can understand logic.
>
>> >So, while Jesus MAY have been fully submerged, there is no text in
the
>Bible
>> >that requires such an interpretation.
>>
>> Actually, there are several.
>>
>> He probably was fully submerged. But
>> >as you say below, it's not about form.
>>
>> Paul said it is. Paul said baptism is a "symbol of being buried with
>> Christ."
>
>The Bible also uses sprinkling and wa****ng as analogies.
The Bible does not refer to "sprinkling" or to "wa****ng" as analogies
for believer's baptism.
And so you are AGAIN LYING to make Rome 'right."
And-- AGAIN-- the Roman Catholic group is
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:16:41 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>> >> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:11:26 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
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>> >> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion
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>> >> >> >"I. B. Wonderin" <posting@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:UcKwg.133766$H71.48686@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> >> To man in the garden of Eden. That's why Jesus said The
Sabbath
>was
>> >> > made
>> >> >> >> for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Mark 2, Matt 12, Luke 6
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >(Mar 2:23) And it came to pass, that he went through the corn
>fields
>> >on
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck
the
>ears
>> >of
>> >> >> >corn.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Um, Steve! You seem to have lost your way again!
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope, not really.
>> >> >
>> >> >> This is the Baptist group.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Roman Catholic group is
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <---------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> that way!
>> >> >
>> >> > Where does it say that in the Bible? Near the passage that says
>Jesus
>> >> > used
>> >> > full immersion when he personally baptised people?
>> >>
>> >> Hmm, I don't think Jesus baptized any that I can remember.
>> >
>> >He didn't.
>>
>> you forgot to say "in my opinion."
>>
>> Of course, if you OPPOSE water/immersion baptism, it would behoove you
>> to discount any passages that say that Jesus baptised.
>> (and two passages say He did)
>>
>>
>> >
>> >John sees
>> >
>> >(John 3:22 KJV) After these things came Jesus and his disciples into
the
>> >land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
>> >
>> >and says Jesus personally baptised people.
>> >
>> >John 4:1-2 KJV When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had
heard
>> >that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (2) (Though
>Jesus
>> >himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
>> >
>> >This he doesn't believe.
>>
>> It's contradictory.
>
>Only if you force it to be.
>
>> It's as if, earlier eyewitnesses saw and re****ted that Jesus was
>> baptizing. This was re****ted on two separate occasions.
>>
>> Jesus went to another part of the river with His disciples, and [He]
>> baptized.
>>
>> Some of John's disciples (spies) came to John later (2nd re****t) and
>> told John, "that guy we saw you with awhile back, is now over there on
>> the river, and He's baptizing! And more people are going to HIM than
>> are coming to you!"
>>
>> 2nd re****t.
>>
>> Only LATER (a different CHAPTER) does a 3rd re****t come in (likely
>> from a 3rd source who went to check, and by THAT time, Jesus was no
>> longer baptizing), and he said, "No, Jesus wasn't baptizing."
>> (because, you see, he got there too late to witness Jesus baptizing)
>>
>> When we see an apparent disrepancy, some tend to toss out what they
>> don't wish to believe.
>>
>> You wish to toss out TWO previous EYEWITNESS accounts that Jesus WAS
>> baptizing, and go with the 3rd which says He wasn't!
>>
>> I choose to go with all three, and try to harmonize them. My version
>> "works."
>>
>> By the time the third spy got there, Jesus had stopped baptizing.
>> Rather than the third spy ASKING someone, "Was Jesus baptizing
>> people?" he simply returned to John and re****ted what he had SEEN, not
>> what had actually been happening!
>>
>> However, we MUST account for the previous TWO EYEWITNESS accounts.
>>
>> Your version fails.
>
>Not if you read it in context.
Steve, very little you say is "in context."
I have given you a PERFECTLY VALID explanation of why there are
"apparently contradictory" accounts.
HOWEVER, since my explanation VIOLATES what you CHOOSE to believe, you
are willing to toss the TEXT in the garbage and
PRETEND!
I will not let you pretend!
TWO passages from EYEWITNESSES say "Jesus baptized."
You CONTINUE to reject the TEXT
BECAUSE you CHOOSE to not believe it!
NOT because that's not what it says!
AND AGAIN, what's the big deal that Jesus baptized?
Except that it totally invalidates a KEY teaching of Rome!
(can't have THAT!)
And-- aGAIN-- you have utterly wasted my time!
(and yours)
john w
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>> Jesus didn't make the Sabbath..
>
>Then WHO did?
>
>> and if either of you actually knew the Old Testament
>> (I realize that Roman Catholics are not Bible readers...)
>>
>> Ex 31 says very clearly that Sabbath was made FOR THE JEWS.
>
>The Israelites were not considered to be "Jews" until much later..
nit picker! 'Jew" has become the generic term and has been the
generic term since my childhood.
I will absolutely not debate over whether to call them "Israelis" or
"Jews."
>
>> john w
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>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:58:34 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
>> the author
>> >
>> >"john w" <wjohn1134@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:34:15 +0200, "Stephen Korsman"
>> >> <skorsman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> copyright 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no ****tion of
>> >> this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent
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>> >> the author
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>> >> >"I. B. Wonderin" <posting@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God,
>and
>> >> >> the Word was God.
>> >> >> 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
>> >> >> 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
>made
>> >> >> that was made.
>> >> >> Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
>every
>> >> >> creature:
>> >> >> 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that
>are
>> >> >> in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or
>> >> >> dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created
by
>> >him,
>> >> >> and for him:
>> >> >> 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing about man being given the Sabbath in those verses.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had
made;
>> >and
>> >> >> he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had
made.
>> >> >> 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because
that
>in
>> >it
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