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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:04:39 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:12:52 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I believe that you're such a WUSS, you let a psycho woman (probably
>>you in different form) speak for you!
>>
>A psycho woman, you claim? Provide the 'proof'
As you like to say, you drooling IDIOT, "Google's archives are all the
proof I need that you're psychotic!
And a menace!
, short bus-
I'm not retarded, you stupid *****!
We ALL KNOW
>you're psychotic,
"We all know?"
AGAIN, you stupid, psychotic *****, you don't speak for EVERYONE,
but you pretend you do!
paranoid,
? Paranoid?
Hardly!
I know you are dangerous!
I know Jimmy is dangerous!
You and Jimmy have posted private, personal information
about me
JUST TO PROVE you could obtain it!
NOTHING was accomplished but damaging me!
NOTHING! And for NO reason other than
YOUR psychotic MEANNESS!
And why? Because you could!
a proven liar,
Again, sweet pea, you will have the chance to prove I'm a liar in
court!
and an idiot.
Not true! An idiot could not have built 4 computers this past 2
weeks FROM SCRATCH! 3 of them from spare parts I had laying around!
I calculate that of some 100 people in my building, there are 2 of
us who can build a computer from parts!
I am BETTING you could not build a computer from PARTS!
>
>> I wouldn't brag about that if I were you!
>
>I would---- you have nothing to brag about,
The one with nothing to brag bout, the one making the most
inflammatory lies, would be YOU!
What's "short bus", you psycho, but a very deliberately hurtful
label that means I'm retarded!
What an ugly thing to say about ANYBODY in the 21st Century!
That "short bus" label means you have nothing but contempt for
YOURSELF!
I doubt SERIOUSLY if you call the Downe's Syndrome and severely
handicapped people you encounter "short bus."
So you DO know better!
john w
snipped your ranting! I believe we've all had enough of that!
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Subject: Re: Tammy Faye Bakker Messner Dies
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:34:56 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:32:30 -0500, "Col. Sneak"
<colsneak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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><~(Hey, WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~> wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 10:10 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> God is not mocked. What you reap, you sow.
>>
>> Really? Who are you quoting, Weatherly?
>>
>> Wanna try again? (maybe you got too excited about being rude, nasty ,
>> hateful and judgemental...)
>Could the stupid one have been saying, "What you reap, you pig"?
>Col. Sneakly
In fact, Jimmy, YOU are the stupid one, you walking piece of pig
excrement!
>SBArmy
>
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Tammy Faye Bakker Messner Dies
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:34:16 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:10:19 -0700, "<~(Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~>" <ontheskagit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Jul 21, 10:10 pm, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> God is not mocked. What you reap, you sow.
>
>Really?
Yes! "Really!"
Who are you quoting, Weatherly?
Remind me, Kelly, when I started answering to you?
>
>Wanna try again?
Perhaps you'd like to adjust your attitude and get back to me!
( "Wanna try again?" )
You are hardly in a position to frown at anyone else's morals or
value judgments.
Tammy Faye mocked God FOR YEARS with her heavy, "putty-knife"
applied make-up! Other Christians pointed out that scripture requires
Christian, Godly women to be modest!
She remained so IMMODEST up to her DEATH that she refused to allow
the doctors to do her surgery without her being in FULL MAKEUP!
(endangering her life, and making the "sterile operating room" a
moot issue.)
She was one of the LEAST MODEST women I've ever heard call herself a
Christian.
And pardon me if I don't do the politically correct thing of
eulogizing someone for whom i had / have NO ( that's ZERO) respect.
And she and her husband cheated my mother out of her Social Security!
She later lied and said she didn't know a thing about the money!
But she certainly ENJOYED the money!
Multiple MANSIONS, MULTIPLE fancy cars! Luxury vacations.
While my mother scraped to feed herself and sent part of her check
to "Tammy Faye and Jimmy" every month!
She got what was her due!
And -- > I don't answer to you!
(maybe you got too excited about being rude,
rude? by being honest?
Perhaps you hadn't heard, Kelly,
oh world's greatest living expert...
sorry!
World's Greatest Living Expert
on behavior.
I am bi-polar. Common knowledge! I also have "personality
disorder".
Meaning, I'm not too good on TACT. I make up for that by being
HONEST (in spite of the bs being tossed about concerning me by
certain cretins)
nasty ,
I'm not nasty.
AGAIN, Kelly, "nasty" means malice aforethought.
There's not a mean bone in my body.
>hateful
You don't even know the people I hate.
I don't HATE Tammy Faye.
I had no use for her, because she used "religion" to bilk the
poor and innocent out of MILLIONS
"I'm so sorry"s, don't cut it!
Particularly when one of the people she bilked was my mother!
and judgemental...)
???
Judgmental?
???
Aren't you in this post judging ME?
(yes)
"Let she who is without sin cast the first stone!"
And Kelly let fly with a dozen rocks; for Kelly was without sin!
"Remove the 25-bedroom ranch house (wood) from YOUR eye, and then
PERHAPS you can find the speck of sawdust in my eye!"
john w
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Why can't doc keep her word?
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:57 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:03:18 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:06:27 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
>
>>In article <3nv6a3dpjeou03ogqjme801avljk611rb4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duke
>><duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> Messages 71-80 from thread
>>> Prev 10 Next
>>> Message 71 in thread
>>> From: DOC (DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)Subject: Re: Is There a Purgatory?
>>>
>>> View this article only
>>> Newsgroups: alt.talk.creationism, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
>>> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudyDate:
>>> 2004-03-14 22:00:09 PST
>>> In article <6cs8509turnj7bsfg8u0ji9hle877kbsim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duckgumbo32
>>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:00:46 -0600, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>I address you as you address yourself, elaine.
>>> > >She calls herself "DOC".
>>> >
>>> > When she calls me "duke", I will call her doc, even though she is
known as
>>> > elaine. Nobody knows my name.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Your name IS Earl Weber, and that is common knowledge, unless you've
paid
>>> to have it legally changed.
>>>
>>> However, fine- I will call you Duke IF you address me by my handle.
>>> Agreed?
>>> Good.
>>> Have a nice day, Duke.
>>>
>>
>>Seems fine to me
>>
>>I have a similar problem with Weatherly who keeps referring back to a
very
>>old sig of mine "Phar Lap"
>>
>>I find the solution is generally to offer to post his address and phone
>>number and the address of the nearest Rehab Group
>
>Nope, she's fallen back into evil habits, and calling me "earl weber"
again.
Um, duke, you seem to be talking about Elaine in terms that make one
think you consider her sane, normal, of sound mind, reasonable.
I've seen NO indication of any of that!
john w
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: We Need Gore - admit it - help with it
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:34:45 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:50:38 -0700, draft_gore_now@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>Visit us at http://www.draftgore.com/
>
>Sign the petition at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
>
>Donate to Gore's campaign at http://www.draftgore.com/contribute.htm
Do please try to keep the political campaigning to the political
groups!
:-)
Thanks!
(and, besides, Gore isn't running! )
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Subject: Re: TRINITY DOCTRINE CONTRADICTS SCRIPTURE?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:36:31 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
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may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>Read The Bible wrote:
>>> Glenn said on July 20, 8:20 am:
>>> ...the doctrine of the trinity is NOT taught
>>> explicitly (or implicitly) in the Old Testament.
>>
>> It is;
>
>No, your understanding is a confusion of the TERMS "One" and "God."
>For a scriptural definition of these terms, see:
>http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
>
>> for the One God is more than one Person in the Old Testament:
>
>Scripture does not say that.
>You have it backwards: more than one person (God the Father and His Son)
>have been described or called "God." That is not the same thing as "more
>than one person being God."
>
>That is the false conclusion and statement of the trinitarian doctrine.
Perhaps it's YOU who have come to the false conclusion!
>
>> "And God said, Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26).
>
>Fine. Jesus was with His Father before 'the beginning.'
First, Genesis 1:26 doesn't include the name "Jesus."
Nor was the PERSON "Jesus" eternal. "Jesus" did not "exist with
the Father before the beginning."
You are also referring to God as "His Father."
You seem to be stuck in a human-oriented "Father-Son" relation****p.
"Father" and "Son" in reference to God are NOT labels that connote
a RELATION****P of "Father" to "Son."
Because the Christian God (the one in the Bible) co-exists as BOTH
Father and Son, BOTH being God.
And YOUR error is trying to make "some sense" of it.
You ACCEPT the FACTS as laid out in scripture:
There are 3 who are God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit
Or you REJECT the FACTS as laid out in scripture.
You so far are REFUSING to accept the FACTS as laid out in
scripture.
That is, "if YOU can't understand, you REJECT!"
That is an old heresy.
>
>This does not explicitly or implicitly teach that God is a multiple
>personality being.
I continue to get VERY uncomfortable when people INSIST on "nailing
down EXACTLY what God is."
Can't be done!
john w
>
>> The New Testament
>> confirms that Jesus is the Creator: "All things were
>> made by him; and without him was not any thing made
>> that was made" (John 1:3).
>
>Yes, Jesus was with His Father before the beginning.
>
>This does not describe or teach a multiple personality being.
>
>>
>> The Old Testament says that Jesus has existed "from
>> everlasting": "Thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou
>> be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of
>> thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler
>> in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old,
>> from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
>
>Yes, Jesus was with His Father before the Beginning.
>Does not explicitly or implicitly teach that God as a multiple
>personality being.
>
>> The New Testament
>> confirms the pre-existence of Jesus before He became
>> a man: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say
>> unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58).
>
>Yes, Jesus was 'brought forth' from God the Father before He created the
>Heavens and Earth.
>
>This does not describe God as a multiple personality being.
>
>>
>> The Old Testament says that Jesus is God: "For unto
>> us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
>> government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name
>> shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
>> God" (Isaiah 9:6).
>
>Yes, However it does not say that God the Father and His Son are two
>persona of a multiple personality being.
>
>Scriptural defintion of the TERM "God" is Supreme Ruler.
>Ps 110-12, Mat 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24-28.
>
>>
>> Jesus is the YHWH of the Old Testament: "YHWH is my
>> shepherd" (Psalms 23:1), "I am the good shepherd"
>> (John 10:11). "This same Jesus, which is taken up
>> from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as
>> ye have seen him go into heaven. Then returned they
>> unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet" (Acts
>> 1:11-12), "Then shall YHWH go forth, and fight
>> against those nations, as when he fought in the day
>> of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon
>> the mount of Olives" (Zechariah 14:3-4).
>
>None of the scriptures you quoted describe God as a multiple personality
>being.
>
>There are NO scriptures which describe God the Father, His Spirit or His
>Son as "persona of a triune being,' or as a "tri-unity,"
>
>Those definitions and descriptions are ONLY found in the doctrine of a
>triune god.
>
>>
>>> Glenn said:
>>> This is a partial list of verses implying
>>> opposition to Trinitarianism:
>>> ONE GOD
>>
>> Trinitarianism in no way denies that there is only
>> One God. Jesus said: "I and my Father are one" (John
>> 10:30).
>
>This is a misinterpretation of the word "One."
>
>The first phrase in your statement uses the TERM "One" to mean more than
>Zero and Less than TWO, an single individual who is "God."
>Quote:
>Trinitarianism in no way denies that there is only One God.
>End quote.
>
>Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
>shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
>
>"One" in this context does not mean "same" or "single body."
>
>The Second phrase in your statement perverts and misinterprets Jesus'
>words as if Jesus and His father are a single being:
>Quote:
>"I and my Father are one"
>End quote.
>
>The meaning of Jesus' words are that He (Jesus) is in submission to His
>Father, and that He and His Father are agreed in purpose, acting
>together for a common goal.
>
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * Matthew 4:10: "Jesus said to him, 'Away from me,
>>> Satan! For it is written: "Wor****p the Lord your
>>> God, and serve him only."'"
>>> . . .
>>> * John 20:17: ...I ascend unto my Father, and your
>>> Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
>>> . . .
>>> * John 17:1-3 Jesus prays to God.
>>> * Hebrews 2:17,18 Hebrews 3:2 Jesus has faith in
>>> God.
>>> * Acts 3:13 Jesus is a servant of God.
>>> . . .
>>> * John 4:22 Jesus wor****ps God.
>>> . . .
>>> * Revelation 3:12 Jesus has one who is God to him.
>>
>> Because He was made a man like other men --
>> "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made
>> like unto his brethren (Hebrews 2:17) --
>
>"Him" is Jesus the Son of God, not the triune god.
>
>> Jesus can
>> refer to, serve, and wor****p God the Father as the
>> Lord His God and Father, just as other men can.
>> This in no way means that Jesus isn't also the Lord
>> our God: "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My
>> Lord and my God" (John 20:28).
>
>Yes, Jesus IS the Lord our God, but not by the definition of "God" as
>used by the trinity doctrine.
>
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they
>>> may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,
>>> whom you have sent."
>>
>> While this emphasizes that there is no other God
>> besides God the Father, it in no way means that Jesus
>> isn't also true, or that Jesus isn't also the One
>> God:
>
>Again, you are using the phrase "one true God" to include the
>trinitarian definition of god.
>
>> "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth"
>> (John 14:6); "The Word was God... And the Word was
>> made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14).
>
>Jesus is the "Way" because His Father gave him ALL Authority and ALL
>power, AND gave Him as the Lamb of God.
>
>Jesus did not give himself to be killed for our sins.
>
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * 1Corinthians 8:5-6: ". . . there is but one God,
>>> the Father, from whom all things came and for whom
>>> we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
>>> through whom all things came . . ."
>>> * 1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one
>>> mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
>>> * James 2:19: "You believe that there is one God.
>>> Good! Even the demons believe that - and shudder."
>>
>> While this emphasizes that there is no other God
>> besides God the Father, it in no way means that Jesus
>> isn't also the one God:
>
>Again, you use the trinitarian definition of the term 'god.'
>
>> "Looking for that blessed
>> hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and
>> our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). Note also
>> that in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 Paul says "Jesus Christ,
>> by whom are all things", that is, Paul confirms that
>> Jesus is the Creator, as He does elsewhere: "For by
>> him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
>> that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
>> they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
>> powers: all things were created by him, and for him"
>> (Colossians 1:16).
>
>Yes, that Jesus is the Creator certainly does demonstrate that Jesus was
>brought forth and was with His Father before 'the beginning', but it
>does NOT suggest that Jesus is God by the definition of the triune god.
>
>>
>>> Glenn said:
>>> * Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour,
>>> not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but
>>> only the Father."
>>> . . .
>>> Revelation 1:1 Jesus does not know things God knows
>>
>> When He was made a man like other men (Hebrews 2:17),
>> Jesus had limited knowledge just like other men. This
>> in no way means that He couldn't have had omniscience
>> before He became a man,
>
>Simply put, this is a self-serving manipulation of terms.
>
>> or that after His
>> resurrection into immortality He didn't regain the
>> omniscience
>
>Pure trick logic, a blatant lie.
>
>
>> "of God, and of the Father, and of
>> Christ; in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom
>> and knowledge" (Colossians 2:2-3). Revelation 1:1 in
>> no way requires that Jesus didn't have knowledge of
>> Revelation before the Father gave it to Him to give
>> to the church.
>
>You are stretching the point to sup****t your false doctrine: an act of
>sophistry.
>
>There is no reason to question or manipulate Jesus words, except to
>sup****t false doctrine.
>
>Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in
>heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
>
>Jesus did not know THEN, before He ascended after His resurrection.
>There is no reason to manipulate His meaning: He said He did not know,
>therefore He did not know.
>
>There is also no reason to doubt that after His Ascension, when He sat
>on His Fathers right hand, that His Father, God, did not THEN give the
>remaining details of His plan for mankind and His People to His Son.
>
>NONE of which sup****ts the false doctrine of a triune god.
>
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * John 5:19: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell
>>> you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself;
>>> he can do only what he sees his Father doing,
>>> because whatever the Father does the Son also does."
>>
>> This in no way means that Jesus isn't God;
>
>Again you insert the false definition of the triune god.
>
>> it simply
>> emphasizes how inextricably connected the Son is with
>> the Father.
>
>Yes, and emphasizes that the Son is a unique individual separate from
>His Father.
>
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * John 14:28: ". . . the Father is greater than I."
>>> * John 17:20-23: "My prayer is not for them alone
>>> . . .
>>> * 1stCorinthians 15:24-28: ". . . the Son himself
>>> will be made subject to him who put everything
>>> under him, so that God may be all in all."
>>> . . .
>>> * Psalms 110:1: Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit
>>> thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies
>>> thy footstool.
>>> . . .
>>> * 1stCorinthians 15:28 Jesus is in subjection to
>>> God.
>>> * 1stCorinthians 11:1 Jesus' head is God.
>>> * Hebrews 5:7 Jesus has reverent submission, fear,
>>> of God.
>>> * Acts 2:36 Jesus is given lord****p by God.
>>> * Acts 5:31 Jesus is exalted by God.
>>> * Hebrews 5:10 Jesus is made high priest by God.
>>> * Philippians 2:9 Jesus is given authority by God.
>>> * Luke 1:32,33 Jesus is given king****p by God.
>>> * Acts 10:42 Jesus is given judgment by God.
>>> . . .
>>> * Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Romans 8:34
>>> Jesus is at the right hand of God.
>>
>> God the Father is greater than God the Son
>
>Again you insert the false definition of the TERM "God" as defined by
>the false doctrine of a triune god.
>
>> in authority, not in divinity, just as a human father
>> is greater than a human son in authority, not in
>> humanity.
>
>You have mixed metaphors:
>You have mixed the Authority with the Kind of Being (humanity) in your
>comparison of a man and his son to God and His Son.
>
>To be faithful to your metaphors: God the Father and His Son are two
>distinct, unique, separate individual Beings just as the man and his
son.
>
>Just as the son of the man is human because his father is human, so
>Jesus, the son of God, is Divine, Eternal Spirit because His Father is
>Divine, Eternal Spirit.
>
>First, God the Father gave His Son ALL Authority and ALL Power and told
>Him to rule. Ps 110:1-2, Mat 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24-28.
>
>Second: The TERM "God" is used both to mean "one with Absolute
>Authority" AND to mean "kind of Being." Jesus said, "God is a Spirit"
>John 4:24 KJV, describing the kind of Being God the Father IS.
>
>> None of the verses above say or mean that
>> the Son isn't also God, for "Unto the Son he saith,
>> Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" (Hebrews
>> 1:8).
>
>Again you insert the definition of "God" as defined by the false
>doctrine of a triune god.
>
>> And none of the verses above say or mean that
>> the Son isn't equal to the Father in divinity,
>
>To reject trinity doctrine is not to question the Divinity of Jesus, it
>is to reject the error that states they are two persona of a multiple
>personality being.
>
>> for Paul refers to "Christ Jesus: who, being in the form
>> of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God;
>> but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him
>> the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness
>> of men" (Philippians 2:5-7).
>>
>>> Glenn quoted:
>>> * Colossians 1:15: "He is the image of the
>>> invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
>>
>> This doesn't mean that Jesus was chronologically born
>> first in Creation,
>
>Actually, Jesus was brought forth from His Father BEFORE the Creation.
>
>> for Jesus is the Creator of all
>> things created (John 1:3), and He wasn't born until
>> He was born as a man,
>
>Wrong: Jesus was not "born as a man" until He was born of Mary.
>
>> the Son of God (Luke 1:35),
>> after some 4,000 years of Adamic men being born.
>> When He was born as a man, Jesus was made the
>> "firstborn" of Creation in authority, just as David
>> was made the "firstborn" in authority: "I will make
>> him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the
>> earth" (Psalms 89:27).
>
>The Son of God was the Son of God before Creation, and the Son of God,
>by the Authority and Power given Him from His Father, created all
>things. Ps 110:1-2.
>
>>
>>> Glenn said:
>>> * Acts 2:24, Romans 10.9, 1 Cor 15:15 "God raised
>>> [Jesus] from the dead".
>>
>> Jesus had the power to lay down His life and to raise
>> Himself from the dead: "I lay down my life, that I
>> might take it again... I have power to lay it down,
>> and I have power to take it again" (John 10:17-18).
>
>Which does not sup****t the false doctrine of a triune god.
>
>>
>> *******
>> (A Subsequent Post)
>>
>>> Glenn said on July 20, 10:28 am:
>>> ...triune or 'tri-unity' is not taught explicitly
>>> (or implicitly either) in the New Testament.
>>
>> It is: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
>> baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the
>> Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).
>
>This is a late addition to God's Word, inserted by Roman Catholic
>trinitarians in an attempt to sup****t that false doctrine
>
>> Three Persons, One Name, One God;
>
>Evan this falsification of His word does not state "Three Persons, One
>Name, One God"
>
>That is the trinitarian falsification of their own perversion of His
Word.
>
>> for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son:
>
>There is no scripture which makes that statement.
>
>In fact, the Spirit of God IS God: That is, God the Father and the
>Spirit of God are one single, unique individual.
>
>There is no scripture which describes the spirit of God as a persona of
>a multiple personality being.
>
>
>> "For it is not > ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father"
>> (Matthew 10:20),
>
>Does not describe " the Spirit of your Father" as a persona of a triune
>god. In fact, the Spirit of God IS God. God the Father and the Spirit of
>God are a single, unique, individual being.
>
>> "It is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost" (Mark 13:11),
>
>> "Even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father"
>> (John 15:26);
>
>> "The Lord is that Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:17),
>
>> "Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
>> the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have
>> not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Romans
>> 8:9),
>
>The spirit of God and God the Father, is one unique, individual being.
>
>Jesus Christ and the Spirit of Christ, is one unique, individual being.
>
>> "He breathed on them, and saith unto them,
>> Receive ye the Holy Ghost" (John 20:22).
>
>Again, does not sup****t the false doctrine of a triune god.
>
>
>
>For a Scriptural doctrine of God, see:
>http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
>
>Glenn
>His witness
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Subject: Re: WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES ABOUT PEACE AND FAMILY
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:23:22 -0700
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> wrote:
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>Many Christians thought that Christianity is a religion of peace but
>that not what the bible teaches. Christians are blind followers
>and many of them just go to Church on Sunday and hear what the
>Preacher has to say
Many say that Islam is the religion of peace.
One word: Iraq.
I'll even give you a 2nd: Afghanistan.
How many "other nations" have now been assaulted in the past 3 years
due to "perceived involvement" as "allies of the HATED United States?"
No, Islam is NOT "The religion of peace."
There is no single sentence in the Bible that could be interpreted
as "Christians should MURDER non-Christians who refuse to convert."
Yet there ARE passages in the Koran that could be interpreted as
"Muslims should MURDER non-Muslims who refuse to convert."
You'll have to kill me, pal! I will not convert!
john w
>without able to ask any question. They don't read the bible and try
>to
>understand what are writtten in the bible.
>
>Let understand some of the basic believe of peace and family as
>written in
>the bible
>
>
>Matthew 10:34-36
>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did
>not
>come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man
>against
>his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against
>her
>motherinlaw- a man's enemies will be the members of his own
>household.
>
>
>Matthew 10:21
>Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child;
>children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
>Luke 14:26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and
>mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his
>own life-
>he cannot be my disciple.
>
>
>Luke 49:53
> I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were
>already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed
>I
>am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on
>earth?
>No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one
>family
>divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
>They will
>be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against
>daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-
>in-law
>and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
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Subject: Re: Why can't doc keep her word?
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:15:53 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:03:18 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:06:27 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
>
>>In article <3nv6a3dpjeou03ogqjme801avljk611rb4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duke
>><duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> Messages 71-80 from thread
>>> Prev 10 Next
>>> Message 71 in thread
>>> From: DOC (DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)Subject: Re: Is There a Purgatory?
>>>
>>> View this article only
>>> Newsgroups: alt.talk.creationism, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
>>> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudyDate:
>>> 2004-03-14 22:00:09 PST
>>> In article <6cs8509turnj7bsfg8u0ji9hle877kbsim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duckgumbo32
>>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>>> > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:00:46 -0600, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>I address you as you address yourself, elaine.
>>> > >She calls herself "DOC".
>>> >
>>> > When she calls me "duke", I will call her doc, even though she is
known as
>>> > elaine. Nobody knows my name.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Your name IS Earl Weber, and that is common knowledge, unless you've
paid
>>> to have it legally changed.
>>>
>>> However, fine- I will call you Duke IF you address me by my handle.
>>> Agreed?
>>> Good.
>>> Have a nice day, Duke.
>>>
>>
>>Seems fine to me
>>
>>I have a similar problem with Weatherly who keeps referring back to a
very
>>old sig of mine "Phar Lap"
>>
>>I find the solution is generally to offer to post his address and phone
>>number and the address of the nearest Rehab Group
>
>Nope, she's fallen back into evil habits, and calling me "earl weber"
again.
Um, duke, you seem to be talking about Elaine in terms that make one
think you consider her sane, normal, of sound mind, reasonable.
I've seen NO indication of any of that!
john w
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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Subject: Re: Why can't doc keep her word?
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:14:56 -0700
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>In article <3nv6a3dpjeou03ogqjme801avljk611rb4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duke
><duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Messages 71-80 from thread
>> Prev 10 Next
>> Message 71 in thread
>> From: DOC (DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)Subject: Re: Is There a Purgatory?
>>
>> View this article only
>> Newsgroups: alt.talk.creationism, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
>> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudyDate:
>> 2004-03-14 22:00:09 PST
>> In article <6cs8509turnj7bsfg8u0ji9hle877kbsim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duckgumbo32
>> @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:00:46 -0600, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >
>> > >>I address you as you address yourself, elaine.
>> > >She calls herself "DOC".
>> >
>> > When she calls me "duke", I will call her doc, even though she is
known as
>> > elaine. Nobody knows my name.
>> >
>> >
>> Your name IS Earl Weber, and that is common knowledge, unless you've
paid
>> to have it legally changed.
>>
>> However, fine- I will call you Duke IF you address me by my handle.
>> Agreed?
>> Good.
>> Have a nice day, Duke.
>>
>
>Seems fine to me
>
>I have a similar problem with Weatherly who keeps referring back to a
very
>old sig of mine "Phar Lap"
I've also explained why I call you Phar Lap. If you weren't
trolling in here where you don't belong, it wouldn't be a problem, now
would it?
I said I have several reasons. My memory isn't what it used to be,
and I find it difficult to keep track of all your nick changes.
So, I recall the one you used years ago (you know it, and many
others in here know it; "it works.")
I also do it to bother you.
You have been VERY DELIBERATELY trying all you could do to annoy me
for some 6 YEARS now (from pretending to diagnose me, to severely
verbally lambasting me, to making all sorts of UGLY, and UNTRUE
comments about my beliefs and those of BILLIONS of others)
When you decide to start behaving like a grandfather with
responsibilities and some SENSE between your ears, we'll get along
fine.
Of course that presupposes that you get mental health treatment
/intervention, and it presupposes that you get those nasty demons cast
out!
john w
>
>I find the solution is generally to offer to post his address and phone
>number and the address of the nearest Rehab Group
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Subject: Re: Why can't doc keep her word?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:59:53 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: DOC (DOC@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>2004-03-14 22:00:09 PST
>In article <6cs8509turnj7bsfg8u0ji9hle877kbsim@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duckgumbo32
>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:00:46 -0600, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>
>> >>I address you as you address yourself, elaine.
>> >She calls herself "DOC".
>>
>> When she calls me "duke", I will call her doc, even though she is
known as
>> elaine. Nobody knows my name.
>>
>>
>Your name IS Earl Weber, and that is common knowledge, unless you've
paid
>to have it legally changed.
>
>However, fine- I will call you Duke IF you address me by my handle.
>Agreed?
>Good.
>Have a nice day, Duke.
Interesting! Elaine (which I've called her for YEARS) now agrees to
address Earl by his "handle" ("duke") if he'll call her by name.
I've been calling Elaine "Elaine" for YEARS, and all she's called me
is a long list of ugly, untrue things.
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: jw bleeting - What Does the Bible Reveal About the Trinity?
- NOTHING!
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:08:09 -0700
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:07:35 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
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>In article <ip87a3d6ki2rv3h1hoiirvs36ilbur9ktc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, duke
><duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:19:19 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>
>> > Actually, Carl, "Libertarius" (or as I affectionately re-dubbed him
>> >"Lobotomy" awhile back) never tells the truth about much of
anything!
>> > That's what you get when you cross an atheist and a Roman Catholic
>> >(very little discernible difference)
>>
>> >PS, Carl! Don't let him bother you! I assure you, that's his ONLY
>> >purpose!
>>
>> Even an atheist can read the bible and accept what it says even though
he
>> chooses not to follow it. Roman Catholics read the bible and accept
the words
>> big time.
>
>
>They also accept a pope that was a former nazi soldier
>
>Interference in their private ***ual life
>
>The demand that they brear unwanted children - that in many countries
end
>up living on trash heaps, being prey for pedophiles, and being killed by
>death squads. They bear those children in many cases at the expense of
>the mothers health or even life
They DEMAND that India and Pakistan have NO birth control. As Sister
Theresa (some call her "mother"; I don't give her ANY respect).
As Sister Theresa said, " it's better for them to be born and DIE of
starvation than to never be born!"
I wonder if those starving infants would agree with her on that
one!
I doubt it.
>
>They tolerated for centuries ***ual assaults on their children
>
>They accepted papal demands to be loyal too fascism in the Hitler,
>Mussolini and Franco regimes
>
>They accepted and often sup****ted antisemitism and the Holocaust , the
>rape of indigenious peoples especially in the Americas
>
>I really don't think Catholics have a lot to crow about
>
>Like the Armada - they shall not pass
>
>++++++++++
>
>Drake's Drum
>
>Sir Henry Newbolt
>
>
>DRAKE he's in his hammock an' a thousand miles away,
>(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?)
>Slung atween the round shot in Nombre Dios Bay,
>An' dreamin' arl the time O' Plymouth Hoe.
>Yarnder lumes the Island, yarnder lie the ****ps,
>Wi' sailor lads a-dancing' heel-an'-toe,
>An' the shore-lights fla****n', an' the night-tide da****n',
>He see et arl so plainly as he saw et long ago.
>
>Drake he was a Devon man, an' ruled the Devon seas,
>(Capten, art tha' sleepin' there below?)
>Roving' tho' his death fell, he went wi' heart at ease,
>A' dreamin' arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe.
>"Take my drum to England, hang et by the shore,
>Strike et when your powder's runnin' low;
>If the Dons sight Devon, I'll quit the ****t o' Heaven,
>An' drum them up the Channel as we drumm'd them long ago."
>
>Drake he's in his hammock till the great Armadas come,
>(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?)
>Slung atween the round shot, listenin' for the drum,
>An' dreamin arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe.
>Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound,
>Call him when ye sail to meet the foe;
>Where the old trade's plyin' an' the old flag flyin'
>They shall find him ware and wakin', as they found him long ago!
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Newsgroups: alt.bible,alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: jw bleeting - What Does the Bible Reveal About the Trinity?
- NOTHING!
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:05:50 -0700
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:35:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:19:19 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, Carl, "Libertarius" (or as I affectionately re-dubbed him
>>"Lobotomy" awhile back) never tells the truth about much of anything!
>> That's what you get when you cross an atheist and a Roman Catholic
>>(very little discernible difference)
>
>>PS, Carl! Don't let him bother you! I assure you, that's his ONLY
>>purpose!
>
>Even an atheist can read the bible and accept what it says even though
he
>chooses not to follow it.
Roman Catholics read the bible and accept the words
>big time.
Lie! And why does a ROMAN Catholic CONTINUE to hang out in the
Baptist group?
???????
Roman Catholics do NOT read the Bible. Nor do you "accept the
words" much less "big time."
You for example do not respect the rights of young boys to say "No."
Scripturally, you REFUSE to baptise in the way Jesus was baptised,
in the manner in which He baptised others.
God COMMANDED "NO IDOLS!"
Yet you have erected thousands of idols in your "churches."
Your solution to the problem? First, you are utterly incapable of
even defining "idol." You prefer Roman Catholic gibberish to clear
scripture. "No images of any LIVING thing may be carved and / or
wor****pped."
You muddy the issue with, "well, I see people kneeling in front of
their Bibles praying. Their Bibles, therefore, are idols!"
No! Bibles are NOT "images of living things."
Then you say that that commandment makes NO sense, since "there's no
such thing as an idol."
You make excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse RATHER than
simply being OBEDIENT.
john w
>
>You protest_ants read the words and reject what it says.
>
>duke, American-American
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****
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Subject: Re: TRINITY DOCTRINE AND SCRIPTURE?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:13:15 -0400, Gunny Freedom <glen42@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>In article <f80bk1036@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Glenn <gamcclary@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Read The Bible wrote:
>> >> Glenn said on July 20, 8:20 am:
>> >> ...the doctrine of the trinity is NOT taught
>> >> explicitly (or implicitly) in the Old Testament.
>> >
>> > It is;
>>
>> No, your understanding is a confusion of the TERMS "One" and "God."
>> For a scriptural definition of these terms, see:
>> http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
>
>My own understanding of the term "one" is as a singularity. There is
>not 'oneness' in God, for God is ONE.
It is amusing in a sense (and yet quite tragic when one thinks about
it) how so many people with finite intellect (limited brainpower) try
to reason and muse and deduce the divine attributes of God, who is
INFINITE.
God the Creator, Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonai, Elohim,
can take any form He wishes.
He can be Father, He can be Son, and He can be The Holy Spirit all
at the same time.
(check the baptism story of Jesus, where Jesus was on Earth, the
Holy Spirit descended like a dove, and God the Father was in Heaven.
All ONE God.
It defies man's reason. We either ACCEPT what scripture tells us
plainly (that there are three who are God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit)
or we reject what scripture says plainly.
john w
>
>God does not share His glory with another, nor is there a pantheon of
>will. there is one will, the will of God. God, the ONE.
>
>singularity. pure and powerful. indivisible, like one microscopic
>point in space concealing the gravity of a thousand suns. This is the
>meaning of "one" to me when I read that "God is one."
>
>> > for the One God is more than one Person in the Old Testament:
>>
>> Scripture does not say that.
>> You have it backwards: more than one person (God the Father and His
Son)
>> have been described or called "God." That is not the same thing as
"more
>> than one person being God."
>>
>> That is the false conclusion and statement of the trinitarian
doctrine.
>>
>> > "And God said, Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26).
>
>And what then is the image of man? Is man not a singularity of being
>himself?
>
>And yet man is composed of three: mind, motive, and soul.
>
>Perhaps God, in the image of Father, Son, and Spirit
>made the singular man also of mind, motive, and soul?
>
>> Fine. Jesus was with His Father before 'the beginning.'
>
>One God. the singularity.
>
>> This does not explicitly or implicitly teach that God is a multiple
>> personality being.
>>
>> > The New Testament
>> > confirms that Jesus is the Creator: "All things were
>> > made by him; and without him was not any thing made
>> > that was made" (John 1:3).
>>
>> Yes, Jesus was with His Father before the beginning.
>>
>> This does not describe or teach a multiple personality being.
>
>No. Of course not.
>
>> > The Old Testament says that Jesus has existed "from
>> > everlasting": "Thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou
>> > be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of
>> > thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler
>> > in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old,
>> > from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
>>
>> Yes, Jesus was with His Father before the Beginning.
>> Does not explicitly or implicitly teach that God as a multiple
>> personality being.
>
>One God. a singularity.
>
>> > The New Testament
>> > confirms the pre-existence of Jesus before He became
>> > a man: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say
>> > unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58).
>>
>> Yes, Jesus was 'brought forth' from God the Father before He created
the
>> Heavens and Earth.
>>
>> This does not describe God as a multiple personality being.
>
>No, of course not. and I completely agree. 8-)
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Subject: Re: Please help - Weatherly still waiting for knock on the door
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:53:16 -0700
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:34:16 +1000, Jesse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(RedFox) wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
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>
>In article <bf54a3dvsq55a2bkr9p6tf1i58db8o2jva@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, john w
><johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I've been waiting for that knock on my door for YEARS now!
It remains truly scary, Phar Lap, how you continue to stalk me!
(this is illegal, dude!)
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Subject: Re: THE KJV BIBLE WILL be "NO LONGER IN PRINT?"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:06:42 -0700
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:30:48 -0700, "sandman" <sandman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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><saints@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Jun 12, 2:54 pm, "sandman" <sand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> My preferred is the KJV, but I keep a modern translation nearby to
>>> double-check my understanding. BUT IF I AM TO MEMORIZE, IT IS THE
KJV
>>> THAT
>>> IS USED! (because I know the background of the other versions)
>>
>> I enjoy reading the KJV translation myself but also have hard copies
>> of the NIV, NKJV and NASB as well. Electronically speaking, I have
>> some programs that have a number of different legitimate translations.
>> One that I find interesting to read in comparison to the KJV and NIV
>> is Young's Literal Translation. It sort of helps me out when looking
>> at the Greek and Hebrew via Strong's.
>>
>> May God bless,
>> Carl
>> my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
>> my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
>>
>
>Have you ever found a Geneva Bible--one that had modern spelling online?
http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html
>
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>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:15:19 -0700, arah <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>>
>>NY Times Celebrates UK Church Becoming A Mosque
>
>
>STOP POSTING YOUR MUSLIM CRAP IN THE CHRISTIAN GROUPS.
Stop posting your HATE of everyone and everything that's not EXACTLY
like you!
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:23:42 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> ??
>> Why don't we discuss YOUR "False Christianity?"
>>
>>>
>What 'false Christianity', hypocrite?
Have you forgotten, Psycho Elaine, the DOZEN or more Christians you
used to have respect for who have ALL lined up against you and told
you you had gone WAY past anything anyone could recognize as
"Christianity."
You Don't Care!
You would rather die and spend the rest of eternity over a barbeque
spit than to admit you have SERIOUS issues and get medical/psychiatric
treatment!
There IS no excuse for that!
You will not crank it down until you are under a court order and
confined.
john w
>
>>>I have no special liking for either of them as well, but I still feel
>>>sympathy for Tammy dying of cancer.
>>
>> That's fine! You have my permission to do that!
>>
>I neither require, not request permission from a sloth such as
>yourself, weatherless. I am one of your strongest CONTROLLERS,
>remember?
>
>> I don't, and I give myself permission not to.
>>
>You're ridiculous, a phony, a fraud, and a SHAM, weatherless. YOU know
>it, and we ALL know it.
>
>> And how can YOU "sympathize" with someone you don't know?
>> You can't!
>>
>You're lying as usual. I can sympathize with anyone whether I 'know
>them' or not.
> When the 911 tragedy struck, I found myself in tears watching those
>towers come down, knowing how many innocent people had been killed,
>and knowing their families left behind were suffering a tremendous
>loss.
>
>
>It's called 'empathy', weatherless-- something 'you' -- the lazy,
>good-for-nothing SLOTH know nothing about.
>
>> Anyone with a heart or any
>>>compassion would.
>>
>> You don't know that! You have NEITHER a heart nor any compassion!
>>
>You are lying through your teeth, old boy.
>
>>
>> To die from cancer is not an easy or pleasant thing,
>>
>> " No kidding!" I didn't know that!
>>
>Then why do you make such s****t of it? How many times have you mocked
>people, claiming 'it must be a brain tumor' -- also knowing how many
>times I TOLD YOU that my Dad passed away WITH a brain tumor? You seem
>to revel in other peoples' misery, liar-johnnie - but what good does
>it do you?
>
>> I thought the extreme FUN cancer looks made it something people
>>actually lined up for!
>>
>You BASTARD.
>May God forgive me for this ----- but you are what I called you.
>
>>
>>>and even if my worst enemy had cancer, I would feel sorry for him or
>>>her.
>>
>> AGAIN, kindly don't project how YOU believe we must all behave onto
>>others!
>>
>Fool. You're S***.
>
>> So far, I'm not impressed!
>>
>I couldn't care less whether you're 'impressed' or otherwise, old man
>weatherless. You're nothing.
>
>>
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wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:20:10 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
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>>x-no-archive: point blank DENIED.
>
>
>
>
>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:16:44 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:11:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry! Tammy and Jimmy are two who defrauded my mother.
>>>>
>>>>I have NO sympathy for either of them.
>>>>
>>>>john w
>>>
>>>So you're back, unfortunately....
>>> It was so pleasant without your presence.
>>>
>>>As for your comment concerning 'no sympathy', let me point out your
>>>FALSE CHRISTIANITY again:
>>
>> Let's not! Let's focus on YOURS!
>>
>>
>> Since you REFUSE to admit or confess or repent your sins, we don't
>>need to go any farther!
>>
>>
>>john w
>
>As usual, liar-short-bus johnnie derieux weatherless
You still don't get it, psycho *****,
your opinion matters VERY little!
john w
- you opt for the
>COWARD'S exit!
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
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wrote:
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>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:25:06 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>Notice, he is not posting as much, he is not cursing as much, he is
>>>not lying as much, he is not fantasizing as much. The schizophrenic
>>>is back on his meds. Good for him, for the time being.
>>
>> I see you're just another psycho who likes to pretend you're capable
>>of diagnosing people psychiatrically over the web!
>>
>>smirk.
>>
>>Notice, he is not posting as much,
>>
>>Correct! I am not! I said awhile back that due to contractual
>>obligations (a writing contract), and other recent changes in my life,
>>I would have much less time to be in here.
>
>You really need to see a doctor
Wussy boy CB is back!
snip
>>
>> he is not cursing as much,
>>
>>smirk.
>> I continue to be boggled by how many people in the world (in here)
>>are SO concerned by the language used by others, while VERY remiss in
>>your own ACUTE, PATHOLOGICAL misbehaviors!
>>
>> he is
>>>not lying as much,
>>
>>Funny stuff, libel!
>> You believe that just because you're relatively "anonymous, you can
>>libel me!
>>
>> I wasn't lying to begin with!
There is VERY little you say that isn't lies!
john w
>>
>>
>> he is not fantasizing as much.
>>
>>"fantasizing?"
>>
>>LOL!
>>
>>
>> The schizophrenic
>>>is back on his meds.
>>
>> I'm not schizophrenic.
>>
>> However, you are still a pathological jerk!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> But, I'm sure you were very aware of that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Good for him, for the time being.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>But don't worry, he will be back. Until then, Duke will take his
>>>place.
>>>
>>>OP
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
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>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:25:06 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Correct! I am not! I said awhile back that due to contractual
>>obligations (a writing contract), and other recent changes in my life,
>>I would have much less time to be in
>
>Dream on!
I simply don't how or why my writing contract is ANY of your
business, psycho *****, Queen Liar Elaine!
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:16:39 -0700
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>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:08:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at how some people spend so much time
>>telling each other -- and me -- what a nothing I am!
>>
>>These same winners then go to EXTREMES to track my every burp.
>
>
>Yep------- liar-johnnie is back, unfortunately....
and still as
>miserable as ever.
AGAIN, Lying Psychotic Queen Liar Elaine is still pretending she can
read minds!
You are one psychotic *****!
(but, you already knew that)
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
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>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:48:30 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:08:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> © 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
>>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>Notice, he is not posting as much, he is not cursing as much, he is
>>>>not lying as much, he is not fantasizing as much. The schizophrenic
>>>>is back on his meds. Good for him, for the time being.
>>>>
>>>>But don't worry, he will be back. Until then, Duke will take his
>>>>place.
>>>>
>>>>OP
>>>
>>> I continue to be amazed at how some people spend so much time
>>>telling each other -- and me -- what a nothing I am!
>>>
>>>These same winners then go to EXTREMES to track my every burp.
>>>
>>>??
>>---
>>
>>I spoke too soon. You are back, and off your meds again.
>
>He's broke & can't afford to pay his drug dealer.
>He has to wait until the first of the month.
Well, THAT was very Christian of you!
When is it again that you PRETEND to be a Christian? I bet ONLY on
Sunday mornings!
;-)
>
>>
>>DA
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
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>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:37:09 -0500, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:18:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:03:43 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Go away, demoniac!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OTC - 'you' go away, weatherless.
>>>>
>>>>It was soooooooooooo pleasant with you gone for a few days.
>>>
>>>
>>> I note with mild amusement that AGAIN, you feel quite free to speak
>>>for everyone!
>>
>>She certainly speaks for me.
>
>Poor old short-bus liar-johnnie weatherless---
Gossip gossip!
And you DO pretend to speak for everyone when you tell me "how
pleasant" the group was with me not here!
You God-damned LIAR!
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:13:34 -0700
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:03:43 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Go away, demoniac!
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>OTC - 'you' go away, weatherless.
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>It was soooooooooooo pleasant with you gone for a few days.
>
> Need help packing? I'll even hold the door for you as you exit.
AGAIN, psychotic Elaine, it would be SOooooooooooo easy for you to
just stop reading my posts!
You stupid s*!
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Subject: Re: Weatherly Is Back On His Meds
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:37:09 -0500, CB <country2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:18:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:03:43 -0400, NOspam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Go away, demoniac!
>>>
>>>
>>>OTC - 'you' go away, weatherless.
>>>
>>>It was soooooooooooo pleasant with you gone for a few days.
>>
>>
>> I note with mild amusement that AGAIN, you feel quite free to speak
>>for everyone!
>
>She certainly speaks for me.
I believe that you're such a WUSS, you let a psycho woman (probably
you in different form) speak for you!
I wouldn't brag about that if I were you!
>
>>
>> chuckle.
>>
>>>
>>> Need help packing? I'll even hold the door for you as you exit.
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Subject: Re: Tammy Faye Bakker Messner Dies
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:49:37 -0700, "<~(Hey,
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>RALEIGH , N.C. - Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped
>her husband, Jim, build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and
>then saw it collapse in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
>
>Messner, who had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently
>spread to her lungs, died at her home Friday, said her booking agent,
>Joe Spotts. A family service was held Saturday in a private cemetery,
>where her ashes were interred, he said.
>
>She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped
>to be an inspiration to others. "Don't let fear rule your life," she
>said. "Live one day at a time, and never be afraid." But she told well-
>wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had stopped
>trying to treat the cancer.
>
>In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated
>Messner - still using her trademark makeup - said, "I believe when I
>leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to
>heaven."
>
>Through it all, Messner kept plugging her faith and herself. She did
>concerts, and a secular TV talk program, the "Jim J. and Tammy Faye
>Show". Starring with co-host Jim J. Bullock, the show lasted just six
>weeks in early 1996. Shortly after it went off the air, she underwent
>surgery for colon cancer.
>
>She said afterward that she endured bleeding for a year because she
>was embarrassed to go to a male doctor. And she wore her makeup even
>in surgery.
>
>"They didn't make me take it off," she said. "I had wonderful doctors
>and understanding nurses. I went in fully made up and came out fully
>made up."
>
>That same year, she appeared on the WB reality show "The Surreal
>Life," co-starring with former rapper Vanilla Ice, ex-**** star Ron
>Jeremy and others. She told King in 2004 that she didn't know who
>Jeremy was when they met and they became friends.
>
>Also in 2004, she cooperated in the making of a do***entary about her
>struggle with cancer, called "Tammy Faye: Death Defying." "I wanted
>to help people ... maybe show the inside (of the experience) and make
>it a little less frightening," she said.
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