On May 10, 11:21=A0pm, "Artemis" <arte...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Donna,
>
> Jesus and the apostles didn't need to say anything about returning to
the
> diet of Eden because in their dispensation, it was NOT a sin to eat
meat.
> Jesus is the WORD of God so therefore it is he who spoke through out the
> bible in the old and new testament and said;
>
> Genesis =A01:29 =A0 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb
bear=
ing
> seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the
> which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for
meat
> [FOOD].
> =A0 1:31 =A0 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it
wa=
s]
> VERY GOOD.
>
> Well, look at that, in Eden, the diet God created for man was FRUITARIAN
a=
nd
> it was, VERY GOOD. =A0Nothing wrong with it. =A0Meat was NOT in Gods
origi=
nal
> plan for mankind. =A0Think what was his master plan in the beginning.
=A0N=
o meat
> prescribed at that time. =A0In Eden, everything was PERFECT. =A0 Why are
y=
ou
> keeping the Sabbath? =A0You're a repairer of the BREACH a restorer of
path=
s to
> dwell in unlike the majority of Christians today who keep Sunday.
=A0Sabba=
th
> keepers are to restore the institutions of Eden, the Sabbath, Marriage
and=
> the diet because;
>
> Jeremiah =A06:16 =A0 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see,
a=
nd ask
> for the old paths, where [is] the good way, and walk therein, and ye
shall=
> find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk [therein].
>
> ISAIAH =A058:12 =A0 And [they that shall be] of thee shall build the old
w=
aste
> places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and
thou
> shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to
dwel=
l
> in.
> =A0 58:13 =A0 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing
th=
y
> pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the
> LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor
> finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
> =A0 58:14 =A0 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will
caus=
e thee
> to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the
heritage=
> of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
>
> We are to repair the breach. =A0Seek the old ways and go back to them as
> quoted above. =A0In the time of the apostles, God was allowing man to
live=
his
> PERMISSIVE will in regard to diet, but is now;
>
> Acts 17:30 =A0 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now
> commandeth all men every where to REPENT:
>
> God has a perfect and permissive will. =A0Think of it this way, his
permis=
sive
> will is the LONG way home.... =A0 If you want the long way home, then go
f=
or
> it Donna.
>
> Who knows if Jesus ate meat or fish? =A0Although it says;
>
> Luke =A0 24:42 =A0 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of
an
> honeycomb.
> =A0 24:43 =A0 And he took [it], and did eat before them.
>
> He took IT - singular, it was probably the honey because;
>
> Isaiah =A0 7:15 =A0 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to
ref=
use
> the evil, and choose the good [HONEY MOST LIKELY].
>
> You can't prove that Jesus ATE fish. =A0Even if he did, as I said
before, =
it
> wasn't a sin in that time because it wasn't the anti-typical day of
> atonement. =A0In succeeding ages, Gods children kept Sunday as the day
of =
rest
> because it wasn't always a test as it is NOW. =A0We are living in the
time=
of
> the INVESTIGATIVE judgement and we are to EAT FOR STRENGTH and not for
> gluttony;
>
> Eccl 10:17 =A0 Blessed [art] thou, O land, when thy king [is] the son of
> nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for
> drunkenness!
>
> Who are these nobles and priests?
>
> Rev =A0 1:6 =A0 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his
Father=
; to
> him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
> Rev =A0 5:10 =A0 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we
s=
hall
> reign on the earth.
> 1 Peter =A0 2:9 =A0 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal
priesthood, =
an
> holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of
h=
im
> who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
>
> FOR STRENGTH AND NOT FOR PLEASURE! =A0we are not to eat something if it
ta=
stes
> good only but for strength. =A0meat is proven to be debilitating to
health=
.....
> etc....
>
> Artemis....
>
> "Donna Kupp" <dk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
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>
>
>
> > Now Andrew, please show this newsgroup =A0where Jesus or the apostles
> > ever said that we must return to the diet of the Garden of Eden.
>
> > Donna Kupp- Hide quoted text -
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Donna Kupp writes:
The New Covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus Christ and can
never be changed.
That invincible fact exposes the accursed heresy of "The gospel of
Health Reform" that makes vegetarianism a requirement for salvation.*
The Seventh Day Adventists call it "Present Truth"; but it is a
blatant lie because it tampers with the Covenant of God.
The Ten Commandments of God have nothing to say about food --or
drink. Read them!
SINE QUA NON
The Latin term "sine qua non" is literally translated: without which
not. It refers to an indispensable condition or necessity.
Without oxygen man cannot live - oxygen is the sine qua non for human
life.
Without understanding the OLD Covenant, A Bible student cannot
understand the NEW Covenant.
The shocking truth is that despite unequivocal Biblical testimony many
who believe in the Bible refuse to accept the fact that the New
Covenant is a renewal of the original Covenant Yahweh made with Israel
- the Ten Commandments - nothing more and nothing less.
THE ORIGINAL COVENANT - TEN COMMANDMENTS
Deut 4:13
"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to
perform,
that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of
stone. (NKJ)
Nothing is stated more clearly in the Bible "...His covenant...the
Ten Commandments...on two tablets of stone."
AND HE ADDED NO MORE:
Deut 5:22
"These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from
the midst of the fire, the cloud,and the thick darkness, with a loud
voice; AND HE ADDED NO MORE. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone
and gave them to me." (NKJ)
TEN COMMANDMENTS AND HE ADDED NO MORE!
And yet this simple truth is ignored or rejected by the vast majority
of those who claim that the Bible is the word of God. The original
Covenant was NOT the 613 commandments, judgments and statutes stated
in the Torah - it was the 10 Commandments - period!
If one does not understand that fact it is impossible to understand
the teachings of Jesus, the apostles and in particular the writings of
Paul concerning the New Covenant.
The laws of the "New Covenant" are exactly the same as the original
Covenant - the Ten Commandments. The New Covenant is a renewal of
the
original - not a replacement.
What is new about the New Covenant?
1. A new sacrifice.
OLD - ratified by the blood of animals
NEW - ratified by the blood of the Messiah
2. A new method of communication.
OLD - indirectly through the Priest
NEW - directly through the Spirit
3. A new way to write the law of Yahweh.
OLD - written on stone
NEW - written on the heart
If that is true then what did the apostle Paul mean when he said:
Gal 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? IT WAS ADDED because of
transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was
made;"
Was Paul speaking of the Ten Commandments? Absolutely not!
Paul was referring to the SECOND Covenant Yahweh made with Israel
AFTER THEY BROKE THE FIRST. -- not the original Ten Commandment
Covenant.
The Mosaic law was a second covenant (with a second set of tablets)
which was made with Israel before they entered Canaan.
Deut 29:1
These are the terms of the covenant the LORD commanded Moses to make
with the Israelites in Moab, IN ADDITION to the covenant he had made
with them at Horeb.
"...the covenant...in Moab...in addition...
There were TWO covenants made with Israel - the first was the Ten
Commandments "and he added no more". The second was made in Moab and
included the 613 commandments, judgments and statutes of the Mosaic
law.
After they wor****pped the idol, Yahweh was going to destroy the
Israelites, but Moses begged the Lord for their forgiveness and the
nation was allowed a reprieve, but with a much stricter set of rules
designed to keep their minds on obedience to Yahweh's law. This
second covenant was the "yoke of bondage."
That is what Paul meant when he said: "Why then the law? It was
added because of transgressions" The Mosaic law was added to the
original covenant (the Ten Commandments) because of Israel's
transgressions.
The "New Covenant" is the same as the original covenant with a new
method of administration and a new sacrifice. A renewal of the
prototype, ratified by the the blood of the Messiah and administered
by the Spirit.
That simple truth is the Biblical sine qua non without which it is
impossible to understand these words of the Messiah:
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for
the remission of sins."
Harold and Donna Kupp
Notes:
THE ORIGINAL COVENANT
THAT WAS WRITTEN ON STONES
IS NOW ADMINISTERED BY THE SPIRIT 2 Cor 3:6-8
"...who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not
of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit
gives life.
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was
glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at
the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory
was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more
glorious?" (NKJ)
THE NEW COVENANT IS WRITTEN ON THE HEART Heb 8:10
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and
write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be
My people." (NKJ)
* ELLEN WHITE tampered with the new covenant that was ratified with
the blood of Jesus Christ. The only true gospel is the gospel that
Jesus and the apostles preached. Adventists need to be reminded that
Jesus served fish to his disciples after his resurrection and fish
were not part of the original diet of man.
ELLEN WHITE WROTE:
"The LORD has given istruction that the Gospel is to be carried
forward; and the GOSPEL INCLUDES HEALTH REFORM in all its
phases." (TSDF 8.5)
"The light God has given on HEALTH REFORM is for our SALVATION and the
salvation of the world." (CDF p.461)
"Vegetables, fruits and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce
of flesh-meat should enter our stomachs. The eating of flesh is
unnatural. We are to return to God's original purpose in the creation
of man." (TSDF 78.3) Note: (The original diet excluded fish)
dk
I am not a Seventh Day Adventist (and never have been), a natural
Jew,
or a Catholic. I am simply the least of Christ's brethren who love
Him and keep His Commandments.
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