On Apr 23, 4:33=A0am, duke <duckgumb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:39:10 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:58:37 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > =A9 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no ****tion of this post
> >may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> >>On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT), Donna Kupp
<dk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=
wrote:
>
> >>>QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT MARY
>
> >>>QUESTION:
>
> >>> "Is it lawful to ask a dead saint for prayer? =A0Is it lawful to
pray
> >>>for the dead saints?"
>
> >>>ANSWER:
>
> >>>According to the scriptures praying to the dead is an abomination
> >>>to God and He has forbidden his people to do it. =A0(Communication
> >>>with the dead is called necromancy*.)
>
> >>Yet God said he is the God of the living, not the dead. =A0Jesus met
wit=
h Moses
> >>and Elijah.
>
> > =A0No matter how you'd like to weazle and tweak, you are mis-using and
> >mis-applying scripture.
>
> jw, when, oh when, are you going to pay attention to script? =A0Jesus
DID =
this.
> You must stop the cafeteria christianity and deciding for yourself what
Je=
sus
> meant in his words. =A0He said what he said.
>
> To go against the word of God is to follow men rather than God, which is
e=
xactly
> what you are doing.
>
> > =A0There is ONE occasion in the Old Testament when the "medium"
(witch)
> >called up a real "dead person." =A0As I recall, she called up Samuel,
> >and she realized who he was the moment she saw him.
>
> Communion of Saints is firm Christian belief.
>
> > =A0 The passage says such activity is FORBIDDEN (communicating with
> >those who have "passed.")
>
> And God said he is the God of the living, not the dead.
>
> > =A0The only reason Jesus was able to call Moses and Elijah down from
> >Heaven after they had died is that He is God, and He had a divine
> >purpose.
>
> Hebrews alive and well in heaven.
>
> > =A0We may not know what that purpose was, but that does not give us
> >license to attempt to contact those who have passed.
>
> No contact with them. =A0We are asking them who are alive and well in
heav=
en to
> pray along side us to Jesus for our needs.
>
> > =A0 All you are doing is making EXCUSES for WILLFUL disobedience.
>
> You have no idea what script say other than what men told you or you
decid=
e for
> yourself.
>
> > =A0In other words, though the Bible FORBIDS it, if the RCC says "go
> >ahead", you go ahead and you make excuses.
>
> Script forbids contact with the dead - the saints are alive and well
with =
Jesus.
>
> >>>QUESTION:
> >>>" Is it lawful to ask Mary for prayer?"
> >>>ANSWER:
>
> Yep, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
>
> >>To pray to is not to wor****p.
> > =A0 Lie. =A0And you only say that because Rome has LIED to you.
> > =A0 Since only God can answer prayer, prayer is one of many ways we
> >wor****p God.
>
> Prayer is not wor****p. =A0Prayer is praise and petition.
>
> > =A0To pray to is to ask, and Mary is alive and well
> >>right now with her son in heaven.
> > =A0 Scripture doesn't say she has'
> > =A01. authority to answer.
> > =A02. the power to even HEAR prayers.
>
> Not everything is written down. =A0Jesus told us more. =A0You just don't
b=
elieve
> him.
>
> > =A0 And-- AGAIN-- you live in WILLFUL disobedience, and you make
> >EXCUSES.
> > =A0 You have YET to explain why praying to God is not sufficient.
>
> He noticeably paid attention to his MOther.
>
> >>>"For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and
> >>>men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV)
> >>Yep, and ALL prayer to Mary is to ask her to pray alongside us to her
so=
n.
> > =A0 =A0That isn't authorized
>
> Sure it is.
>
> > =A0 When your mother dies, will you also pray to your mother?
>
> If she can pray aside along side me to Jesus, sure.
>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
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THE ODIOUS BLESSING OF PIUS XI
=46rom "PIUS XI. to the Legion of Mary"
which says:
"We give a very special blessing to this beautiful and holy
work - the Legion Of Mary. Its name speaks for itself. The
image of Mary Immaculate on its standard ****trays high
and
holy things."
The book that PIUS XI has approved and blessed, under the
chapter heading "If Mary Were But Known" is the following quote:
(pg 16)
"Thousands of souls perish BECAUSE MARY IS WITHHELD
FROM THEM. It is the miserable unworthy shadow which we
call our devotion to the Blessed Virgin, that is the cause of all
these wants and blights, these evils and omissions and declines.
Yet if we are to believe the revelations of the saints, God is
pressing for a greater, a wider, a stronger, quite another
devotion
to His Blessed Mother...(sic) Let a man but try it for himself,
and his surprise at the graces it brings with it, and the
transformation it causes in his soul, will soon convince him of
its
otherwise almost incredible efficacy as a means FOR THE
SALVATION OF MEN, and for the coming of the Kingdom
of Christ.
"God is willing to give us all; all now depends on us, and on THEE
by whom all is transmitted, O Mother of God! All depends on the
union of men with her who receives it all from God." - (Gratry)"
My friend,
If you overlook that evidence of the wor****p of Mary in the Catholic
Church, you are an intellectual ostrich who has hidden his head in the
sand of traditional Catholic church heresy.
Donna Kupp
I am not a Seventh Day Adventist (and never have been), a natural
Jew, or a Catholic. I am simply the least of Christ's brethren who
love Him and keep His Commandments.
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
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