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Followups set to aa & posters group
> If your offended by a few scriptures for the sake of secular debate,
> don't read on...
Now if you think I can be offended by claimed holy writ, think again.
> First off, Since I am cross posting to alt.atheism for the sake of
> this debate, I'll apologize in advance for any offense by my post.
> Christians seem to be under the disillusion that the world hates Jesus
> who said:
Who, the missing messiah of the xian myth, the one that failed every
requirement of the Judaic myth? That one? Why hate, the emotion can be
to valuable to waste of the figments of theists imaginations.
> Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
> you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
> persecuting you,
Pure Judaic teachings, which had he existed would make sense.
> I find this hard to believe that atheist hate Jesus. They may not
> believe in him but for that reason, it would be illogical to hate
> somebody that never existed by their own claimed belief. Anyways, I
> was having this discussion with somebody and they quoted to me:
> Joh 15:19 “If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But
> because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world,
> for that reason the world hates you.
Well, you see, with circular reasoning & assuming something is true
because it says it's true, you can come up with just about anything. In
my case, the question would be, why would anyone expect me to believe
the claims of any pseudoepigraphic work, or John who. The above passage
is a built in excuse for assholes to feel sanctimonious & *special*.
The world hates them, noit becasuse they are an asshole, but because
they are the beloved of Lucy, sorry, the missing messiah.
> The idea is that the world hates Christians because of Jesus and I
> don't find that a logical idea either. So... I'd like to put the
> question out there... What is it that you hate?
Nothing & no one. Two reasons really. 1] I may need the energy to
survive, don't waste it. 2] I realise the damage unfilled hate can do to
the individual when it can not be resolved to the haters satisfaction.
It's so much easier to when they insist, hold them in contempt. They
are not worth the energy it takes for loathing.
> Now what I believe atheist hate is first off, the lack of respect from
> Christians as in the example of Sound of Trumpet and his cross posting
> to alt.atheism. Even Mr. Chang shows restraint and doesn't cross post
> until after SoT starts his cross posting...
A killfile is so much easier.
> What I've seen is that if we stay in our forums, many of the atheist
> stay out of the Christian forums but of course none of us can speak
> for all of us... (sigh)
& the atheist that is there to learn, is he welcome. Rarely if ever.
> I also tend to think that what atheist hate is the self-righteous,
> self-serving hypocritacal attitudes of a lot of Christians... they
> profess to believe in scriptures that tell them to be perfect and yet
> we see so many horrible examples examples by Christians.
The myth fails on the claim that once one becomes xian [in particular]
one is a better person.
> Our actions, speech and general attitude is one of arrogance and
> doesn't reflect the reality of our actions. Our "good works" are
> tokens at best and we claim to believe the bible but toss out anything
> that we feel doesn't apply. The Ten Commandments go out the door and
> atheist see us all as pretentious.
It's called the bully effect. & it's combined with the salad bar
xianity of today.
> We claim to believe in Jesus and act like the devil himself...
Who & who? The devil of xianity is not the satan of the Babylonian
Pre-Vacation of the Judeans. The one that failed to hold true. What
was it, forty instead of seventy years? The Jesus of the Greeks is not
the Messiah of the Judeans.
> Jas 1:22 And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving
> yourselves.
to quote Tsao Hsueh-chin
"When the unreal is taken for the real, the real becomes unreal."
> So world.. give me proof I'm wrong.
Can't, unless you are, & so far you appear to be, able to accept the
POV of others as what they mean is what they said, the first time.
> What do you hate:
> A> Jesus, Christians and the whole lot B> Jesus C> Christians D>
> People that are hypocrites.
None of the above. But the effect of xianity on people, that can be
held up to public examination & ridicule.
> Thanks in advance,
walksalone who is about to kick back with a keg of beer, root beer of
course, & a barrel of hot buttered popcorn. This may be good for a
change.
'He who recites the praise of Holiness, in the fullness of faith and
with a devoted heart, praises me, Ahura Mazda; he praises the waters, he
praises the earth, he praises the cattle, he praises the plants, he
praises all good things made by Mazda, all the things that are the
offspring of the good principle.
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