Re: Does the world hate Jesus or Christians?

On May 16, 11:47 am, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Phoenix wrote:
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> > I actually say atheist because I believe in a one on one discourse and
> > since only one atheist at a time reads these post and not a group of
> > atheists sitting behind a computer.. It's correct to say atheist.
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> So when you give a speech in a large auditorium you speak to one person
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> time because the sound get to each person at a slightly different time?
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> > To the contrary, very few people are confirming any prejudice but it
> > has been my experience in the past that it's right to first announce
> > my intentions and be honest and upfront about what topic I'm
> > discussing. BUT... even you have to admit that sometimes... people in
> > alt.atheist can have a reaction to scriptures that screams they are
> > offended by even the mention of them..  Most likely it's because of
> > the many morons that are disrespectful of your ideology.
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> Usually you will find that reaction is because they actually know what
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> context of the scripture is. We also are aware that it is rare for two
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> you to agree on the meaning of a large part of it, or to admit others
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> know a lot more about it.
> You oft-quoted Mathew 10:14 for example does not say to leave, it says
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> > The word "Hate" is in the bible and I'm actually trying to give proof
> > of a point but the ulterior motive is still unknown to anybody reading
> > this thread.
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> Well get to it chicky boy. Is it so difficult to actually say what you
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Let's not leave out:

Mat 10:13 =E2=80=9CAnd if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon
it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.

That means that it's up to me to use my judgment on what is worthy of
MY peace.  I find everybody is worthy that returns the respect I give
them first.

Ultimately and it's the same point I just made to my fellow
"believers" in Christian chat...

Christians aren't hated.  They are disliked because they are
hypocrites and Pharisee's.  They preach a two sided doctrine that
falls in on itself.  They have Commandments that say, "Remember the
Sabbath" and they go to church on Sunday.  They keep pagan practices
and deny they are pagan and yet any atheist is all to quick to educate
them on Christmas and Easter as to coming from Pagan origins.

They claim to believe Jesus and spend there time quoting Paul who
always contradicts everything Jesus said and I'm sure even atheist
could show me a dozen examples that even I haven't found yet.

The discussion I was having on Christian pages is titled, "Apostle
Paul: Why the Christian church has failed society"
Now I realize that a lot of atheist are just going to say it's because
it's about a non-existent God so I haven't touched these issues here.

To that end.. I'll just copy and paste the rant I just put to the
Christians and see what you think of it...

Whats sad is that you guys are so easy to get bogged down in pettiness
it really goes to illustrate just why you fail as Christians.  My
original statement was:

We all know that Constantine mixed the true religion of the Messiah
with that of paganism!

Fact is you guys do also with your Christmas Trees, Easter and Sunday
wor****p.  You just don't want to face the fact that while you claim to
believe in Jesus, you disregard everything he taught.

Thats the facts.  Truth hurts.  So instead of just facing facts... you
make the issue about something that happened long ago when the real
issue is your own failure.

So, go on.. be petty... show the world you can't face your own
hypocrisy.  It's your failure and why an unbelieving world doesn't
want to believe you.  Don't think your hated because your Christians..
Your hated because your hypocrites that don't even practice the
scriptures you profess to be the truth.

Your busy trying to sell a Hebrew Messiah and all the while spitting
on everything from the Old Testament because you don't believe Jesus,
you believe Paul and stop kidding yourselves and saying they spoke the
same message.

Show me one scripture that says, "Forget the Sabbath, go to church on
Sunday".. Or  "Jesus was born on this day and you should celebrate
it."

You can't, you know you can't but you stand by your lies and thats
really the issue is that YOUR LIARS and thats your failure.  Your
telling lies to the world and they are realizing it.  You can't sell
your lies forever and expect the world to blindly follow it.  Your
church will fall and this is why...

Mat 12:25 And =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=A9=D7=A2 knew their thoughts, and said
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reign divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or house
divided against itself shall not stand.

Thats why the church is falling apart!  You preach lawlessness but
expect people to follow your Pharisees teaching man made traditions.

:p

Snow

Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes
through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and
work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.
Martin Luther King, Jr.