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> On Jun 24, 10:42 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Jun 24, 5:30 am, Thom Madura <Tommad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>>>> On Jun 19, 7:49 pm, "Fred A Stover"
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>> >> >>>>>> > On May 28, 1:19 pm, "Fred A Stover"
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>> >> >>>>>> >> > On May 26, 7:52 pm, "Fred A Stover"
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> "rogue" <rogue...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > On May 24, 10:47 pm, "Fred A Stover"
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > wrote:
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > On May 24, 3:24 pm, "Fred A Stover"
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > wrote:
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>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> <continued>
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> DUMASSO
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > There are seven millennial "days" from the fall
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> the judgment. "Day" one is the day Adam fell
and
>> >> >>>>>> died (Gen
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> 2:17).
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> The
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> day
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> the Lord, is the seventh "day," and what began
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> at
>> >> >>>>>> His first
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> coming
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> was
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> last "days" (Is 2:2, Hos 6:2, Acts 2:17, Heb
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> 1:2).
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > JERRY
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > Ok, let's look at that.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of
good
>> >> >>>>>> and evil,
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > thou
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > shalt
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest
>> >> >>>>>> thereof thou
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > shalt
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > surely die.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > A verse from an allegorical story about how
good
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >>>>>> evil >> >> >> >> > came
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > into
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > the world, not unlike Pandora's box.
Interesting
>> >> >>>>>> story, no
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > truth
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > it and a verse that just tells the authority
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > figure
>> >> >>>>>> telling
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > his
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > creation that he doesn't want them to eat from
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >>>>>> tree and
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > know
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > what
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> > is right from wrong.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> ROTFL!!!!!!!
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> Your 3rd grade reading level again?
"Allegorical"
>> >> >>>>>> means you
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> don't
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> slightest idea of what the Author is saying, so
you
>> >> >>>>>> have to
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> cobble
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> up
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> your
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> own explanation.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > JERRY
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > Nooooo. Invest in a dictionary, dumasso.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > Allegorical,
>> >> >>>>>> as in
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > "allegory," means a made up fable with the intent
of
>> >> >>>>>> making a
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > lesson.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > Cause, that's all the creation story of Genesis
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > really
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > is.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > (Quick:
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > outside of a Harry Potter movie, when did you ever
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > see
>> >> >>>>>> a >> >> >> > talking
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > s****?) Perhaps if you invest in an education as
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > well,
>> >> >>>>>> you >> >> >> > might
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > see
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > the point that is currently floating above your
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > pinhead.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> I've got a dictionary, Dumasso. And your alleged
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> allegorical
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> interpretation
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> which ignores what is plainly said, conjures up a
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> fable,
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> renders
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> into
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> babble, is what I addressed, not the word
"allegory."
>> >> >>>>>> Your >> >> >> reading
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> inability shows, Dumasso.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> In addition to your worldly in ability, you are
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> spiritually
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> disabled:
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> 1
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Cor.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> 2:14
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> But the natural man receiveth not the things of
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> Spirit of
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> God:
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> them,
>> >> >>>>>> because
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> spiritually discerned.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> Even if you advanced from your 3rd grade reading
level
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >>>>>> a 4th
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> grade
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> level,
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> you still could see what is in scripture.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > JERRY
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > I can see that you can throw insults but so far
you're
>> >> >>>>>> pretty weak
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > on
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > making an argument, Fred-O. Whatsamatter? Brain
stuck
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> > in
>> >> >>>>>> stall?
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> I'm sorry you are insulted, but it is a fact that you
are
>> >> >>>>>> reading at
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> 3rd
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> grade level (its not that uncommon), attending only to
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> words one
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> sentence at a time. It is in the 4th grade that
attending
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> to
>> >> >>>>>> the >> >> whole
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> writing and what the author is saying with the words.
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> You've
>> >> >>>>>> been
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> shown
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> but
>> >> >>>>>> >> >> you still do not see.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> > JERRY
>> >> >>>>>> >> > Yeah, Fred-O, you can't tell the third grade level from
>> >> >>>>>> >> > the
>> >> >>>>>> 5th >> > grade
>> >> >>>>>> >> > level, you are just making your insults as you go along.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> >> Duh....I showed you what can be found in the book when you
>> >> >>>>>> >> look
>> >> >>>>>> at the
>> >> >>>>>> >> Author's concepts and look for references to them
throughout
>> >> >>>>>> the >> Author's
>> >> >>>>>> >> works. Instead of seeing the limitations of your reading,
>> >> >>>>>> >> which
>> >> >>>>>> is 3rd
>> >> >>>>>> >> grade
>> >> >>>>>> >> level reading, a fact, not name-calling and increasing
your
>> >> >>>>>> reading
>> >> >>>>>> >> ability,
>> >> >>>>>> >> you
>> >> >>>>>> >> refuse because you don't want to see it. It is rational
that
>> >> >>>>>> there is a
>> >> >>>>>> >> first millennial "day" (Gen 2:17), but it is there. It
isn't
>> >> >>>>>> >> a
>> >> >>>>>> matter >> of
>> >> >>>>>> >> rationalizing it into the text. It is in the text. It is a
>> >> >>>>>> matter of
>> >> >>>>>> >> finding
>> >> >>>>>> >> it.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> > JERRY
>> >> >>>>>> > And I showed multiple verses, in context, to sup****t my
>> >> >>>>>> > argument.
>> >> >>>>>> > Meanwhile you started pulling verses out of your ass to
>> >> >>>>>> > rationalize
>> >> >>>>>> > all kinds of claims that you refuse to back up.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> Your multiple verses were not contextually consistent, the
>> >> >>>>>> context
>> >> >>>>>> being the
>> >> >>>>>> whole of scripture.
>>
>> >> >>>>> JERRY
>> >> >>>>> In other words, what you have deduced the book is about,
though
>> >> >>>>> it's
>> >> >>>>> not agreed to by any other biblical scholars.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> FRED-O
>> >> >>>>>> And the verses I cited were taken from scripture, not
>> >> >>>>>> pulled out of my ass.
>>
>> >> >>>>> JERRY
>> >> >>>>> Taken from different books about different subjects and used
to
>> >> >>>>> twist
>> >> >>>>> into a viewpoint that is not specified in the text.
>>
>> >> >>>>>> FRED-O
>> >> >>>>>> Again, you exemplify your practice of reading at the
>> >> >>>>>> 3rd grade reading level attending merely to the words in
front
>> >> >>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>> you and
>> >> >>>>>> what they say instead of all the words from beginning to end
>> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>> what the
>> >> >>>>>> Author is saying with the words.
>>
>> >> >>>>> JERRY
>> >> >>>>> Fred, we aren't dealing with a book intended for the New York
>> >> >>>>> Times
>> >> >>>>> Bestseller list crowd here. We are dealing with an audience
of
>> >> >>>>> very
>> >> >>>>> simple, literal people. That's the reason Jesus said he spoke
>> >> >>>>> in
>> >> >>>>> parables so that others wouldn't understand. (Mark 4:9-12)
>> >> >>>>> Given
>> >> >>>>> that Jesus believed that his simple fables would fly over his
>> >> >>>>> audience's head, why would you assume that what you are
choosing
>> >> >>>>> to
>> >> >>>>> read into the text is really what is meant?
>>
>> >> >>>> Another example of what else you missed. It was the blinded
who
>> >> >>>> would not understand: "the natural man receiveth not the things
>> >> >>>> of
>> >> >>>> the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither
can
>> >> >>>> he
>> >> >>>> know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor.
2:14).
>>
>> >> >>> An early attempt to make a believer feel special. Some two
>> >> >>> thousand
>> >> >>> years later and still god/jesus just va**** ware. In the mean
time
>> >> >>> religious organizations kill, mame, steal, tourture all in the
>> >> >>> name
>> >> >>> of god.
>>
>> >> >> No, a simple reminder to read beyond what the non-believer can't
>> >> >> see.
>>
>> >> > It's all there in black and white, unless your using Franks bible,
>> >> > it
>> >> > has red in it. Your statement means that a believer is making the
>> >> > words
>> >> > mean more than they do.
>>
>> >> I believe they call it "SPIN" today.
>>
>> >> Frank claims that he is backed up by the bible - which of course he
>> >> isn't - so he has to EXPAND it to cover his heresy.
>>
>> > JERRY
>> > well, he's already demonstrated that he's a sloppy reader, both of
the
>> > bible and of other people's posts, and he's also a sloppy coder.
>>
>> > I suspect the longer we go on the more sloppy ol' Fred-O is going to
>> > look until he disappears.
>>
>> It is your 3rd grade reading level which was sloppy, causing you to
miss
>> what is reallly in scripture.
>>
> JERRY
> Yeah, Fred, that's why you called me Roger, your website doesn't work
> properly and you rationalize the problems in the text, cause you are
> making it up as you go.
So you say, but you lie. I don't know why you keep reading scripture at
the
3rd grade level and complaining when I show you what you miss.
>
> What you *say* isn't as im****tant as what you *show." So far, you are
> showing that you don't read well, you miss im****tant stuff and you
> don't take the time to do something right.
>
> I'd say that you aren't looking as smart as your ego may think you
> look.
The ego is all yours, as you "show" in your snits.
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shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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