Re: God is love.

Pastor Frank wrote:
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>> bob young wrote:
>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>> "Thom Madura" <Tommadura@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> >
>>>> > How many quotes from the Egyptian Book of the dead and from Isis
and
>>>> > Osiris would be needed to convince you to join that religion?
>>>> >
>>>>     Most everything, including religions are built upon precedent.  
>>>> Not a
>>>> single philosophy or Religion is a new invention.  That fact does not
>>>> invalidate them, but rather does the opposite.
>>>
>>> "All that is necessary, as it seems to me, to convince any
>>> reasonable person that the Bible is simply and purely of
>>> human invention -- of barbarian invention -- is to read it.
>>> Read it as you would any other book; think of it as you
>>> would of any other, get the bandage of reverence from your
>>> eyes; drive from your heart the phantom of fear; push from
>>> the throne of your brain the cowed form of superstition --
>>> then read the Holy bible, and you will be amazed that you
>>> ever, for one moment, suppose a being of infinite wisdom,
>>> goodness and purity to be the author of such ignorance and
>>> such atrocity."
>>> [Robert Ingersoll (from his essay 'The Gods')]
>>>
>>> Jefferson on the Bible:
>>> Read it as you would read any other book With an open,
>>> thoughtful mind, as Thomas Jefferson advised his nephew: "In
>>> the first place, divest yourself of all bias in favor of
>>> novelty and singularity of opinion. Indulge them in any
>>> other subject rather than that of religion. It is too
>>> im****tant, and the consequences of error may be too serious.
>>> On the other hand, shake off all the fears and servile
>>> prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched.
>>> Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal
>>> every fact, every opinion.
>>>
>>> Try it Frank, but i doubt you ever will
>>
>> They seem to have blind faith in reason.
>> How about you?
>>
>    Having faith in reason is a fatal mistake.  For our God is love, and 
> reasoning kills love.  See below.  I mean, who wants to be loved 
> objectively, logically, factually and reasonably?
> 
> Pastor Frank
> 
> "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has".
> "Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample
> underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees
> must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
>    - MARTIN LUTHER
> 
> 

Martin Luther was nothing more than an excommunicated Heretic - and not 
worth his opinion - which is ALL it is to begin with. If you want to 
quote a murderer about criminal sentences  - be prepared for a skewed 
response.

What is clear is that religion has wanted people to reject reason - 
because when people use their education and intelligence to reason - 
they reject religion because it cannot be justified.

However - there is no basis for rejecting reason.