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> "Andrew" <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On 2008-05-14 18:01:04 +0100, "Adonis" <zerocalories@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
>>> "Andrew" <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On 2008-05-14 05:22:56 +0100, "Adonis" <zerocalories@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The bible also states it is infallible,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Care to cite chapter and verse for where the Bible says this?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 Tim 3:16.
>>>>
>>>> "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is suitable for
>>>> doctrine, for correction, for reproof, for instruction in
>>>> righteousness." No mention of infallibility there. No mention that
its
>>>> words are God's.
>>>>
>>> What does the phrase "inspired by god mean"?
>>> The implication is saying the words contained in this very poorly
>>> written bibliography are gods words.
>>
>> No, that simply doesn't follow at all. It can be anything from sudden
>> insight, to recognition of a pattern of events, to full-blown vision. I
>> know of no normal understanding or usage of the word "inspiration" that
>> implies that people behave like biological dictaphones and there is no
>> indication in the Bible that this is what is implied there either.
>> If, for example, a composer is inspired by a person's actions, as
>> Beethoven was inspired by Napoleon to write his 'Eroica' symphony for
>> example, we do not attribute the melody etc to Napoleon.
>> Moreover, the Pastoral epistles - more, perhaps than any other Biblical
>> writings - cannot reasonably be read as "God's words". They are
personal
>> communications of advice from one man to a friend and couched in very
>> human terms.
>
> Well, lets look at what the orginal Greek, what the translation came
from.
> 16. |3956| Every |1124| Scripture |9999| {is} |2315| God-breathed |2532|
> and |5624| profitable |4314| for |3809| teaching, |4314| for |1650|
> reproof, |4314| for |1882| correction, |4314| for |3809| instruction
> |1722| in |1343| righteousness,
> Strong's Ref. # 2315
> Romanized theopneustos
> Pronounced theh-op'-nyoo-stos
> from GSN2316 and a presumed derivative of GSN4154; divinely breathed in:
> KJV--given by inspiration of God.
>
> (Theol.) A supernatural divine influence on the prophets,
> apostles, or sacred writers, by which they were qualified
> to communicate moral or religious truth with authority; a
> supernatural influence which qualifies men to receive and
> communicate divine truth; also, the truth communicated.
> [1913 Webster]
>
> The point is the words as this passage says are gods. Where did this
> "sudden insight" come from? Drug influence? High fever? String tied
around
> the finger? A "recognition of a pattern of events" is nothing more than
> seeing that it rains at 3:30 every day, that is not inspiration it is
> observation. "full-blown vision", again drug use? The implication is not
> that at all, the implication is that these are the words of god, you
need
> to follow them. That is what is taught, chriatian organizations that
> differ on that are in the minority.
> Because they are gods word albeit transcribed by people, can be used
> for doctrine. Doctrine means a body of teachings, instructions. Can be
> used for correction meaning, to set straight on error. Can be used for
> "instruction in righteousness": ( instruction already defined )
> righteousness; implies that a person's actions are justified. Nothing
> taken out of context here, the implication is the bible is the word of
> god and is correct. If it is incorrect, it is fallible. If it is
> incorrect it can not be used for instruction, teaching and correction.
> The implication is then that the bible is infallible.
>
This is all nonsense, for Gods refer to ideals, absolutes,
principles,
points of reference in regards to quality of behaviour. The gods you talk
about don't exist. See below
Pastor Frank
The word "God" is not a proper name but a title of a position of
whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against
which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48)
I.e. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: "...the god (theos)
of this world", i.e. reality, to which Atheists reference. And again in a
Philippians 3:19, Paul says there are people: "...whose God (theos) is
their
belly", i.e. gratification, pleasure, to which Hedonists reference. Also,
Jesus speaks of mammon being a god or devil, representing the greed for
possessions, money and power, to which most people reference. (Mt:6:24:)
Jesus tells us in Jn:4:24 that His "GOD IS A SPIRIT", (i.e. akin to a
quality of attitude, like love and care [1Jn 4:8,16] which imbues a person
and animates the flesh), and "they that wor****p him must wor****p him in
spirit and in truth."
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