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Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine

by Jimmy Alpha <jimmy_alpha@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 14, 2008 at 11:41 AM

hilton hotel pen wrote:
> On May 14, 10:11 am, Jimmy Alpha <jimmy_al...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> hilton hotel pen wrote:
>>> On May 14, 8:41 am, dfo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>> Do you think Jesus did anything immoral in turning water into wine?
>>>> John 2 (King James
Version)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%202;&version=9;
>>>> 1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the
>>>> mother of Jesus was there:
>>>> 2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
>>>> 3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They
>>>> have no wine.
>>>> 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour
>>>> is not yet come.
>>>> 5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you,
do
>>>> it.
>>>> 6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner
of
>>>> the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
>>>> 7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they
>>>> filled them up to the brim.
>>>> 8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of
>>>> the feast. And they bare it.
>>>> 9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made
wine,
>>>> and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water
>>>> knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
>>>> 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good
>>>> wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but
thou
>>>> hast kept the good wine until now.
>>>> 11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and
>>>> manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
>>>> Do you think it was immoral for Jesus to, during the Last Supper:
>>>> drink wine?
>>>> distribute wine to His disciples?
>>>> Matthew 26
(KJV)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2026;&version=9;
>>>> 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and
>>>> brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is
>>>> my body.
>>>> 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying,
>>>> Drink ye all of it;
>>>> 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many
>>>> for the remission of sins.
>>>> 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of
>>>> the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's
>>>> kingdom.
>>>> Do you think it was immoral for the early church to drink wine during
>>>> remembrances of the Lord's Supper?
>>>> (see especially verse 21 below)
>>>> 1 Corinthians
11http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2011;&ver...
>>>> 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat
>>>> the Lord's supper.
>>>> 21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and
one
>>>> is hungry, and another is drunken.
>>>> 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the
>>>> church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you?
>>>> shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
>>>> 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto
>>>> you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took
>>>> bread:
>>>> 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
>>>> this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of
>>>> me.
>>>> 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
>>>> saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft
>>>> as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
>>>> 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew
>>>> the Lord's death till he come.
>>>> 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of
the
>>>> Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
>>>> 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread,
>>>> and drink of that cup.
>>>> 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh
>>>> damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
>>>> Do you think it's OK to use a little wine for medicinal purposes?
>>>> Luke 10
(KJV)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2010;&version=9;
>>>> 34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine,
>>>> and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took
care
>>>> of him.
>>>> 1 Timothy 5
(KJV)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%205;&version=9;
>>>> 23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's
sake
>>>> and thine often infirmities.
>>> Matt 26:29
>>> But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the
>>> vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's
>>> kingdom
>> One can only wonder what the word "henceforth" means?- Hide quoted text
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> It means from this point on ...

Oh, then it really wasn't addressing the question was it.
 




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Joseph Smith's Mosiah 14 copied from KJV Isaiah 53 in fabricatio
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-09 19:27:14 
Re: Joseph Smith's Mosiah 14 copied from KJV Isaiah 53 in fabric
hilton hotel pen <yost  2008-05-10 06:37:44 
Re: Joseph Smith's Mosiah 14 copied from KJV Isaiah 53 in fabric
Chief_Billy@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 08:16:21 
God the Father has flesh & bones body?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 19:27:07 
Re: God the Father has flesh & bones body?
I AM <yost536@[EMAIL P  2008-05-11 19:29:23 
agree with 1 Nephi 14:10?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 07:58:41 
D&C 132:61-62, Matthew 22:29-30, polygamy in afterlife?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 08:23:51 
Re: D&C 132:61-62, Matthew 22:29-30, polygamy in afterlife?
"Caleope" <i  2008-05-12 21:28:16 
Re: D&C 132:61-62, Matthew 22:29-30, polygamy in afterlife?
I AM <yost536@[EMAIL P  2008-05-12 08:31:03 
1 Nephi 18:25 alleges oxen in wilderness America
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 08:46:36 
Re: 1 Nephi 18:25 alleges oxen in wilderness America
I AM <yost536@[EMAIL P  2008-05-12 08:54:01 
possible?: headless man struggles for breath-- see Ether 15:31
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 09:10:07 
how come Joseph Smith altered the Lord's Prayer?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 10:30:58 
elephants in Americas? what are cureloms & cumoms?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 13:21:00 
Re: elephants in Americas? what are cureloms & cumoms?
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-12 14:00:49 
how good are steel bows?; 1 Nephi 16:18
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 14:22:51 
Re: 1 Nephi 18:25 alleges oxen in wilderness America
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-12 14:24:00 
Re: possible?: headless man struggles for breath-- see Ether 15:
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-12 14:45:46 
Re: how good are steel bows?; 1 Nephi 16:18
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-12 14:53:43 
Re: D&C 132:61-62, Matthew 22:29-30, polygamy in afterlife?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 17:34:30 
hell conquer Jesus' church? Jesus born where? more than 1 God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 17:20:43 
Re: hell conquer Jesus' church? Jesus born where? more than 1 Go
"Greg" <gran  2008-05-14 21:01:25 
Re: hell conquer Jesus' church? Jesus born where? more than 1 Go
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-15 18:15:02 
Re: hell conquer Jesus' church? Jesus born where? more than 1 Go
hilton hotel pen <yost  2008-05-13 17:27:29 
one Eternal God? is God a Great Spirit?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 19:14:08 
Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 06:41:36 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
hilton hotel pen <yost  2008-05-14 06:46:20 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
Jimmy Alpha <jimmy_alp  2008-05-14 11:11:08 
is God unchangeable from all eternity?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 07:56:11 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
hilton hotel pen <yost  2008-05-14 08:12:28 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
Jimmy Alpha <jimmy_alp  2008-05-14 11:41:21 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
hilton hotel pen <yost  2008-05-14 09:10:25 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
JohnH <johnhennekes@[E  2008-05-14 09:51:59 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
JohnH <johnhennekes@[E  2008-05-14 09:52:27 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
JohnH <johnhennekes@[E  2008-05-14 09:52:44 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
"SongBookz" <  2008-05-14 17:25:13 
Re: Jesus made wine & drank wine; Paul recommended use of wine
Jimmy Alpha <jimmy_alp  2008-05-14 19:14:17 
is this life the time for people to prepare to meet God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 10:41:48 
Re: is this life the time for people to prepare to meet God?
duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-05-15 15:44:21 
charlatan Joseph Smith claiming to speak for God; big bang ex ni
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 18:24:23 
faith & testing of religious claims
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 07:05:25 
think Romney will become a God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 07:07:30 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
I AM <yost536@[EMAIL P  2008-05-15 07:13:47 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-18 19:10:14 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
John Manning <jrobertm  2008-05-18 23:35:40 
Re: D&C 132:61-62, Matthew 22:29-30, polygamy in afterlife?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-18 19:13:06 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
Steve Seagal <chuckyma  2008-05-18 19:49:24 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
John Manning <jrobertm  2008-05-19 00:10:27 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
Steve Seagal <chuckyma  2008-05-18 20:10:33 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
John Manning <jrobertm  2008-05-19 00:23:36 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
Steve Seagal <chuckyma  2008-05-18 20:50:24 
Re: think Romney will become a God?
John Manning <jrobertm  2008-05-19 12:37:33 
kids on thrones w/ intelligence of a God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-19 06:35:22 
Re: kids on thrones w/ intelligence of a God?
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-20 08:09:51 
where in the Bible?: God was once a man who lived on an earth
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-19 11:01:14 
Re: where in the Bible?: God was once a man who lived on an eart
James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2008-05-31 14:44:41 
Re: where in the Bible?: God was once a man who lived on an eart
"Sockie The Apostate  2008-05-31 16:08:31 
Re: where in the Bible?: God was once a man who lived on an eart
paid in full <yost61@[  2008-05-19 11:10:07 
questions for Mormons about God
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-21 06:35:42 
Re: questions for Mormons about God
"Guy R. Briggs"  2008-05-21 09:21:07 
pre-1921 D&C: "the Father being a personage of spirit"
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-21 09:24:18 
does the Holy Spirit consist of dove parts?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-21 11:07:03 
God the Father is invisible; the Word was made flesh
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-22 04:29:58 
Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-23 19:27:23 
Re: Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
"\"john p\"  2008-05-23 20:44:13 
Re: Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-24 05:32:40 
Re: Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-24 05:46:15 
Re: Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
"\"john p\"  2008-05-24 12:48:01 
Re: Nephite coinage set forth in Alma 11
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-24 14:46:01 
Ignatius of Antioch an apostate? is there a Mother God?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-26 10:32:27 
Re: Ignatius of Antioch an apostate? is there a Mother God?
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-26 11:11:13 
translucent, breakable windows in Ether 2:22-24
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-29 05:25:49 
Re: translucent, breakable windows in Ether 2:22-24
I AM <yost_536@[EMAIL   2008-05-29 05:32:46 
Re: translucent, breakable windows in Ether 2:22-24
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-29 08:22:42 
when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:12-13
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-30 06:10:02 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
Slim Shady <yost536@[E  2008-05-30 06:27:49 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-30 16:31:40 
"the Gods" made plants, animals, people: Abraham 4 & 5
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-30 07:40:47 
Re: "the Gods" made plants, animals, people: Abraham 4 & 5
Slim Shady <yost536@[E  2008-05-30 08:13:03 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
I AM <yost_536@[EMAIL   2008-05-30 09:36:36 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-30 17:01:52 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
I AM <yost_536@[EMAIL   2008-05-30 10:09:43 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-30 17:17:30 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-30 17:20:35 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
I AM <yost_536@[EMAIL   2008-05-30 10:19:33 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-30 10:24:06 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-30 17:29:14 
how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-30 10:25:43 
Re: how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
"David Morgan \(MAMS  2008-05-31 07:33:34 
Re: how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (•R.  2008-05-31 02:19:41 
Re: how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
John Manning <jrobertm  2008-05-31 11:39:10 
Re: how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (•R.  2008-05-31 20:31:03 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-30 12:44:24 
Brigham Young: the sun is inhabited
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-30 13:29:50 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-30 15:04:43 
Re: when did concept of a compass arise?; 2Nephi5:12; 1Nephi18:1
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-05-30 15:40:24 
Re: how many Gods are there? Moses 2 & 1:6
Gerald Bostock <gbosto  2008-05-31 07:50:46 
did the Word begin to exist?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-06 16:24:52 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
"Bill M" <wm  2008-06-07 14:12:26 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2008-07-05 19:23:16 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
"vernono" <v  2008-07-05 17:29:53 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
"vernono" <v  2008-07-05 17:34:37 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
"Stormin Mormon"  2008-07-05 22:02:02 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
"Jake Horn" <  2008-07-06 01:06:02 
did God tell Joe Smith polygamy is OK? D&C 132
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-06 16:43:58 
Re: did God tell Joe Smith polygamy is OK? D&C 132
"Bill M" <wm  2008-06-07 14:10:38 
Re: did God tell Joe Smith polygamy is OK? D&C 132
2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (•R.  2008-06-07 16:55:21 
did God the Father have sex?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-06 19:57:35 
Re: did the Word begin to exist?
NickYoungh <dejonghnic  2008-06-07 11:33:32 
Re: did God tell Joe Smith polygamy is OK? D&C 132
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-08 20:20:43 
marriage in the afterlife?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-11 14:59:33 
think God the Father used to be a man?
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-11 15:02:18 
Re: think God the Father used to be a man?
"William R. Cousert&  2008-06-12 01:53:41 
Re: think God the Father used to be a man?
James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2008-07-11 16:05:51 
Re: think God the Father used to be a man?
James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2008-07-11 16:21:16 
Jesus & Paul pro-monogamy; Old T. depicts polygamy unfavorably
dford3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 14:26:38 

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