Pastor Frank wrote:
>
> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:483536A6.C288221F@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> news:4832387E.FF051DEF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Thom Madura wrote:
> >> >> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Those rescue workers represent our God, in that they do good
> >> >> > works.
> >> >> > You still labour under the illusion, that the word "god" means
some
> >> >> > invisible ogre in the sky, behind them thar clouds, much like
your
> >> >> > grand-pappy believed. Talk about "primitive" Bob, you take the
> >> >> > prize.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am sorry but you are misled.
> >> >> People are capable of doing good works even when they don't
believe in
> >> >> a
> >> >> god. People did good things before religion invented their gods -
the
> >> >> greeks did good works - even though you do not believe their
> >> >> mythology.
> >> >> The romans did good works - even before they recognized
Catholicism.
> >> >> The only US president that never belonged to a religion in his
> >> >> lifetime
> >> >> freed the slaves =- and was considered a very moral man - Lincoln.
> >> >> The reason for doing good is that it is the right thing to do -
and it
> >> >> should not be because of fear of eternal punishment. We do not
need
> >> >> religion to determine what the right thing to do is. Nor the wrong
> >> >> thing
> >> >> - although they are a good example for that.
> >> >
> >> > Frank's religion is 'power'. 'Power for Frank' and he's not
> >> > alone by any stretch of the imagination !
> >> >
> >> Who would determines what is the right thing to do? The right
thing
> >> to
> >> do for some is to kill people, for others the right thing is to is to
> >> save
> >> people from being killed. With Jesus the right thing to do, is to
never
> >> harm anyone.
> >
> > Yes and the Inquisition again springs to mind
> >
> That remark is about as "primitive" and simple-minded as you can
get.
> Show where Christ commands anything like an "inquisition". Even to the
most
> simple-minded it's obvious that those who called themselves Christians,
yet
> did the opposite from what Christ commanded, were not Christians at all,
but
> evil liars, impostors and criminals, yet you believe them. See below the
> commandments of Christ.
Look it up. All of Europe, France, Spain, Italy, Germany.
It was a mental disease born of fear,
the place your love comes from.
>
> Pastor Frank
>
> Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love
one
> another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
> Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my
disciples,
> if ye have love one to another.
> Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one
another,
> as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay
down
> his life for his friends.
>
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