"bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "Bill" <bil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
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>> > m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have asked numerous times for someone to provide any
>> >> objective verifiable evidence that any gods actually exist.
>> >> No one has ever supplied it. Not even any god.
>> >> the logical conclusion is that no real gods exist except in peoples
>> >> over
>> >> active imaginations.
>> >
>> > Your logic needs work. By definition god(s) is super-natural so the
>> > god(s) has the option to appear (or not) in nature. If a god(s)
>> > appears in nature the appearance becomes natural and tells us nothing
>> > about super-nature. This appearance of a god(s) has effects in nature
>> > that can be objectively verified but, of course, because it is -in-
>> > nature it can be understood as -being- natural. By your logic god(s)
>> > prove their own non-existence by existing in nature. Most confusing.
>> >
>> There are as many gods as there are behavioural ideals to live up
to.
>> The incarnations of which have achieved that ideal, at least so we
>> believe
>> in faith, as in Jesus Christ. We believe that Christ proved his ideals
>> on
>> the cross of Calvary objectively and verifiably.
>
> I suggest you buy a life size replica of that cross,
> preferably a light weight one. Then climb on a plane, take a
> few Mandarin speakers with you and go to the Center of China
> where they still have to dig out around 40,000 bodies from
> the rubble after the earthquake. [50,000+ have died already]
> Then set up your cross and lecture those hard working
> exhausted rescue teams about your loving god.
> I have a feeling they will, in no uncertain terms tell you
> what you can do with your cross, or if we are lucky they
> might even oblige by doing it for you.
>
Those rescue workers represent our God, in that they do good works.
You
still labour under the illusion, that the word "god" means some invisible
ogre in the sky, behind them thar clouds, much like your grand-pappy
believed. Talk about "primitive" Bob, you take the prize.
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