Adonis wrote:
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> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Adonis wrote:
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>>>
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> panamfloyd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On May 16, 11:56 pm, saint7pe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>> On May 16, 9:35 pm, Douglas Berry
<penguin_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Phoenix
>>>>>> > <phoenixhasri...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> carved the following into the hard
>>>>>> > stone of alt.atheism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >On May 15, 9:43 pm, "Winsome" <Wins...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> Ridiculous!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > >> The truth is simply this: The 'greatest single cause of
Atheism
>>>>>> > >> in the world today' is the utterly basic fact that *you
haven't
>>>>>> > >> got a god to show us*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes God remains occult, only to reappear when He wants, not
>>>>>> when you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have heard so many of you claim such nonsense that it has become a
>>>>> cliche. Do you not realize that if this creature has the knowledge
and
>>>>> power you claim it does, then behavior like that is a sign of
>>>>> neurosis? Your god, if it exists, does not deserve "wor****p". It
needs
>>>>> therapy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's put it this way.
>>>> We don't know God's true mode of existence.
>>>
>>> Mike...er monkfish, just by saying you don't know it's true existence
is
>>> saying that it does exist in some fa****on or another.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would rather say that God is prior to existence
>>>
>>> Which is saying god has always been in existence, it has no beginning,
>>> it has no end, it is infinite.
>>>
>>>> but as most people here insist that
>>>> God has to exist to be believed,
>>>
>>> Yes, that is the case. Do you believe in big foot? Santa clause?
>>>
>>>> I am willing to say that God can appear to us
>>>> and in that case God exists for us.
>>>
>>> When you say that it can appear, that is implying that there is a
>>> tangible relation****p. Cause and effect.
>>>
>>>> But God reveals Himself to us
>>>> in whatever way He pleases.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which way is that? How do you know it is revealing it's self?
>>>
>>>> God can appear as a dove.
>>>> As love, as a spirit, and even as a whisper.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I see a dove, is that god? Showing concern for another human being,
>>> or showing kindness is not directly the effects of a god. You hear
>>> whispers? Do you mean voices in your head?
>>>
>>>> Are you going to say now that
>>>> God has to exist in the mode prescribed by you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> An all powerful creator that so desperately wants to give you
>>> everlasting life should not have to resort to mystical revelations.
>>
>>
>> Even if He respects us so much
>> as to let us choose to believe?
>>
>>
> You have a choice to believe a tale or not. It has nothing to do with
> respect. There is nothing in example of respect towards humans from this
> god you cant describe.
What reason do we have to believe that
God has to exist in the mode prescribed by physicists?
If people say that God is a spirit and God is love,
shouldn't we first figure out what it means for love to exist?
Do physicists believe in love?
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monkfish
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