"monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> rogue wrote:
>> On May 14, 10:12 pm, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> rogue wrote:
>>> > On May 10, 12:32 pm, "Carl" <sai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> >> The title of P.G. Mathew's sermon makes the topic quite clear
>>> >> concerning Jesus' second coming sometime in the future and how
>>> >> glorious it shall be.
>>>
>>> > JERRY
>>> > Unfortunately, Carl, the text of the bible, and particularly Jesus
>>> > himself, was quite clear that this event was supposed to happen
during
>>> > the lifetimes of the disciples. I point you especially to Matthew
>>> > chapter 24.
>>>
>>> How do you know that the event didn't happen to anyone?
>>
>> JERRY
>> Check it out.
>> Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came
>> unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? AND
>> WHAT SHALL BE THE SIGN OF THY COMING, AND OF THE END OF THE WORLD?
>> Jesus tells them of all the signs to come and then tells them:
>> Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS,
>> TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.
>> So, Jesus is asked when he is coming back AND THE END OF THE WORLD.
>> He tells them it will happen before the current generation has passed,
>> in other words, before the disciples have all died.
>> Now, look around and look V-e-e-r-r-y-y closely.
>> Did the world end?
>> Check out Matthew chapter 16.
>> 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with
>> his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
>> 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
>> not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
>> kingdom.
>> Verse 27 tells that Jesus will return and come in the Glory of his
>> Father WITH HIS ANGELS and then he shall REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO
>> HIS WORKS. (sounds like Judgment Day to me)
>> Verse 28 tells us "there be some standing here, WHICH SHALL NOT TASTE
>> OF DEATH, TILL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN HIS KINGDOM.
>> Those are just some of the verses. The failed parousia is one of the
>> best do***ented failings of the bible to be true.
>> Did that happen to anyone? Was EVERY MAN rewarded according to his
>> works? It was predicted duirng the lifetimes of the disciples.
>
> First, you really should not use the Bible itself
> to probe it wrong.
> The Bible cannot be correctly understood without faith.
> Even if you just wanna point out the contradictions in it,
> many statements in it are not factual at all.
> So, you need to prove that both of the contradicting statements
> are really factual or at least intended to be factual.
> Wouldn't it be silly for you to try so hard
> to prove that something in the Bible is factually true?
> Second, you really should not think you can
> understand the Bible without faith in God.
> The Bible is really not about what happened
> but all about how to live here and now.
> To understand it is to live according to the book.
> If you have no intention of believing in it
> and following the way shown in it, you would never
> be able to comprehend it properly.
> The only way to read it properly is to trust it
> and love it with all your heart.
> You are not trying to do so, are you?
>
It is easy to be a literalist, no need to think. There are many who
invite Christ into their hearts and see Him "coming in his kingdom" while
still alive. That in itself is a reward according to his works.
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