Re: Atheists have blind faith in their ability

"Athena" <athena@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:0001HW.C44C723F00066EC0F0488530@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 1:12:49 -0500, veritas wrote
> (in message
> <eafd9ec6-39fc-4397-a377-af38e179372e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>
>> Atheists have faith,
>> believers in gods have faith, the problem, both have not a shred of
>> proof.  That makes them both religions. They both hold beliefs that
>> are simply hopes and dreams.  Regards, Ken Hogan
>
> Veritas
> Perhaps the better way to view the issue of God is to say that we do not
> really know - agnosticism.
> Certainly God could make Himself really known to everyone, after all He 
> did
> speak to Moses, and so could speak to everyone (and even better say He 
> would
> cure all with cancer and overnight all would be cured) and that would 
> solve
> the problem, BUT then that would also remove the question of faith. So
if 
> God
> needs faith, that cannot happen. .
> What is really im****tant is how we lead our lifes now. Do we need there
to 
> be
> a reason or purpose why we are here, to lead the "good" life.  Do we
need 
> a
> book to know what is right and wrong.
> There are certainly many interesting and legitimate question about God
and
> faith.  Many learned and "regular" people,   have discussed this for
years
> and years and no doubt will continue for many years to come.  Even among

> the
> theists there is great disagreement about God.
> There is an old saying, "you pay your money and take your pick" and so
it 
> is
> here. The choices are theism, atheism, and agnosticism. To me
agnosticism 
> and
> leading the "good" life is the best choice.  I can respect that others 
> will
> disagree, but I cannot respect those who use physical force rather than
> words.
> I have enjoyed our discussions.
> Athena
>
    Are you an agnostic who wants to know, or an agnostic who is married
to 
agnosticism no matter what? The problem with your stance is, that "good"
as 
in "good life" is a function of religion. If you don't think so, then try 
and provide objective and verifiable, if not scientifically quantifiable 
evidence as to what is good and what is evil. Most atheists and agnostics 
are reduced to follow current fa****onable opinion as to what is good and 
evil.
    For Christians "good" is defined by Christ. Though whether Christians 
actually do good as Christ commands and demonstrates, is another question.

Pastor Frank

    Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord
and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
    Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations of
love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be, such as we see
in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)