monkfish wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:00:03 -0500, bob young wrote:
>
> > monkfish wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:15:01 -0500, bob young wrote:
> >>
> >> > monkfish wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:DtednV6QwbWamY_VnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>> news:69ednVaWgJJ7XI3VnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:32 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>> news:BKSdnYY3OO8BHJLVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>>>> news:w-CdnQCcBLeQuZPVnZ2dnUVZ_oTinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:f0cdc$480dbc78$d1d89a6b$16902@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Fred Jones" <sup****tsystem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:hIydndO7apTwG5HVnZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:cf07d$480c5c4e$d1d89a68$24723@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Fred Jones" <sup****tsystem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q9SdndgYpM8txpbVnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would seem to me that there would only be one
message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not the variety one can choose from what we have
now.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The bible clearly states God is a jealous God, so if
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he ( or she, or it ) is so powerful and jealous why
do
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> other gods exist? He can just will them to non
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> existence. Why are there so many other religions
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> besides the many that claim to be Christian? Is the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebrew religion correct that Jesus was not the
messiah
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the world is still waiting for the messiah?
Jesus
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> said that he was to be dead and buried three days
and
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nights like Jonah was in the belly of the fish three
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> days and nights. How do you get three days and
nights
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> when the story has Jesus dead and buried just before
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> evening on Friday and rising very early Sunday
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> morning? Is the flood story true? If it's true that
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus really did live, was killed and came back to
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> life, it should not be so far fetched that the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Egyptian and Roman gods as well as the gods of other
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient people were real also. That their gods like
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycon, Osiris, Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus must be real and not myth.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't
see
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if
need
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John
3:3)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't know what they mean, like a computer running
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> software, a robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> slave showing "love"? Is it showing "love" when you
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> teach small children lies. Two of the lies are on a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> annual basis, and revolve around more fairy tales.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prime ideal I seek to
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible
old
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and
all
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> your hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> God is real, and yours isn't.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from
a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> comfortable. In other words make it up as you go along,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> all in the name of Jesus!
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
> >> >> >>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever
> >> >> >>>>>>>> someone asks you a question.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with "
holy
> >> >> >>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
> >> >> >>>>>>> sermons.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it
mean
> >> >> >>>>>> for you to understand words? Are you free to change their
> >> >> >>>>>> meanings? If so, how are we going to do that without making
> >> >> >>>>>> them unintelligible?
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it
> >> >> >>>>> means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> If you hate to think,
> >> >> >>>> you can simply trust me.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> For whatever reason,
> >> >> >>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
> >> >> >>>> It is what we do when we mix up
> >> >> >>>> all points of perspective and
> >> >> >>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
> >> >> >>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
> >> >> >>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Hang in there.
> >> >> >>>> I will figure out for you
> >> >> >>>> how you can stop doing so.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you".
> >> >> >>> That what you want in creating a paradox. There is no
> >> >> >>> paradoxical tension here, at least on my part. I do not know
> >> >> >>> you, I do not hold you accountable for the actions of
religious
> >> >> >>> groups. Any accountable action I hold towards you is in that
you
> >> >> >>> defend such actions and try to rationalize it by the use of
what
> >> >> >>> appears to be your favorite tool, the paradox.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Reality is mysterious.
> >> >> >> Flat reasoning will not do.
> >> >> >> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do.
I
> >> >> > am sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may
> >> >> > say that because no solid object is really solid because there
are
> >> >> > spaces around our molecules. That because of this solid objects
> >> >> > can pass through other solid objects with out damage to either
> >> >> > object. The reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not
stay
> >> >> > on your body. You would not walk on the earth but fall through
it.
> >> >> > And in theory it is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic
level.
> >> >> > The only reason you really use paradoxical circles is the same
> >> >> > reason you choose your name monkfish. Both of which shows why
you
> >> >> > are posting in the groups.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries
> >> >> >> of our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also
need
> >> >> >> to realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason
> >> >> >> and in meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do
> >> >> >> anything.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So we ask what faith is.
> >> >>
> >> >> You seem to live in a simple and
> >> >> artificial world of your own.
> >> >> At least have a decency to ask
> >> >> why there is so much suffering in this world.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Simple. Because we are freak mammals. All animals kill, only the
> >> > human one kills for the fun of it due to the warped brain that the
> >> > evolutionary process managed to provide him with.
> >> >
> >> > Some get a kick out of killing, others are very content to spend a
> >> > life time helping the under privileged, others spend a life time
> >> > trying to perpetuate imaginary gods.
> >> >
> >> > It all results from the need for 'gratification' - the driving
force
> >> > of evolution
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Are you going to stop talking as if you know, any time soon?
> >
> > Aaaah, I see that had you thinking.
> >
> > Progress, AT LAST.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Man of old, the savage,
> > formed the belief,
> > the eruption of the volcano
> > was god's expression of grief.
> >
> > Man believed the lightning bolt,
> > for the crops - a blessing of rain,
> > the curse of flood lending starvation, was spewed from heavenly gates.
> >
> > Man believed he could calm divine wrath, through sacrifice of a virgin
> > pure,
> > though blood appeased him not,
> > how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
> >
> > Man believed the sting of a bee,
> > the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear were all signs of divine
> > things,
> > deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
> >
> > Silly superstitions thrive to this day, if not for the rationalist,
> > skeptic,
> > and freethinker,
> > where would we be?
> >
> > In Church thumping Bibles, that's where! See, we've came a long way.
> > Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
> >
> > [with acknowledgements to: Sharon]
> >
>
> In many countries,
> Christianity is the one which conquered superstition.
ROFL
Prove it
>
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